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Infinite Recursion

16:00

No, it's changed now @Braiam, charcoals can delete Smoke in the tavern now.

Braiam

@InfiniteRecursion PARSER ERROR: mind-blown

Infinite Recursion

charcoal team can give command to Smokey to delete it's message in the 2-minute editing window, just like the other commands.

@undo, @pro: Smokey's supression is borked

Unihedron

Ha, got to read the main post

bluefeet

ok, who pissed off the crazy person?

Unihedron

you just did

bluefeet

16:10

probably :)

ProgramFOX

@InfiniteRecursion No, the title changed; then it gets posted again.

Infinite Recursion

Thanks @ProgramFox, good to know.

Random happy post of the day:

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Q: Is there a relationship between yellow and moods?

A commonly held belief in visual arts and graphic design is that colours communicate specific moods. Let's concentrate on the colour yellow, for example here: The color yellow gives one a warm and cosy effect. It also arouses cheerfulness, stimulates mental activity, and generates muscle e...

ProgramFOX

Hmm... SmokeDetector died in Charcoal HQ.

!!/reboot

Unihedron

If no one posts a proper answer by tomorrow on your meta question I might write something, @inf :p

Infinite Recursion

Thanks @uni, you are the best! :)

ProgramFOX

16:15

Hmm... it does not reboot. I hope it's just chat web sockets that broke and not Smokey itself.

Ah, @Undo just entered :)

Unihedron

@ProgramFOX Maybe it's a glitch.

Undo

@SmokeDetector delete

oh right

Crap I don't have my diamond here.

Unihedron

hahaha

ProgramFOX

@Undo It looks like web sockets break frequently; do we need to switch to the non-websocket version (by using watch instead of watch_socket)?

Infinite Recursion

It's hard to be ordinary ;)

3ventic

16:17

looks at all the diamonds left on the doorstep of the Tavern on the Meta

Undo

@ProgramFOX sigh Or find a way to auto-reboot the websockets.

ProgramFOX

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 days ago, by ProgramFOX

@Undo I noticed that Smokey keeps running if an error occurs in a different thread. Does your auto-restart script still restart Smokey if an error occurs in a different thread?

Undo

I don't know

Probably not.

Can we make it that way @ProgramFOX?

ProgramFOX

@Undo I don't know if we can use a catch-all try-except block, but I'll look at it.

Unihedron

mod-nuked:

Undo

16:18

@ProgramFOX thanks

Andy

@ProgramFOX I pushed a change to ChatExchange last night. That type of fix may be appropriate for the websockets too

It hasn't been merged yet

er...wow...messed up terminology. I submitted a pull request

Unihedron

I'm going to sleep now, someone keep our frontpage clean!

ProgramFOX

@Andy Oh, nice!

Unihedron

> stackexchange.com/questions?tab=realtime

Infinite Recursion

@uni: the thank you note was nuked faster than the spam posts

Unihedron

16:21

@InfiniteRecursion yep, ha

Sam

@Unihedron Night!

Infinite Recursion

Night @uni, sleep well !

Unihedron

thanks, good night / day!

Undo

huh, apparently I don't have access to the ChatExchange repo.

Infinite Recursion

Yay! The pinned message has been unpinned.

Unihedron

16:24

Yay! Let's pin our own message!

ProgramFOX

@Undo I think we can only achieve this by changing ChatExchange's code, which will make it harder to merge though: stackoverflow.com/a/2830127/2619912

Undo

sigh

Can we just reboot the websocket every x hours?

no matter if it's failed or not?

Unihedron

how about a keepalive task instead?

Braiam

^

Infinite Recursion

^

Andy

16:25

@ProgramFOX I think that's covered by issue #69

ProgramFOX

@Andy That applies to throttling, doesn't it?

@Undo The web socket, or SmokeDetector?

Unihedron

Good luck!

Andy

@ProgramFOX Ah. You are correct. That is just retrying throttled post attempts

ProgramFOX

@SmokeDetector delete

Nope, web sockets still dead.

Undo

I'm gonna go restart it

ProgramFOX

16:28

Thanks!

Undo

Then we should fix it so it dies every hour and gets restarted.

@SmokeDetector delete

ProgramFOX

@Undo Sounds good.

Undo

@SmokeDetector delete

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Phone number detected: 0.1 * 0.1 in java prints 0.010000000000000002 on stackoverflow.com

SmokeDetector

16:51

[ SmokeDetector ] Phone number detected: 0.1 * 0.1 in java prints 0.010000000000000002 on stackoverflow.com

TGMCians

closed ^

SmokeDetector

17:12

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected, Phone number detected: vashikaran specialist astrologer in Australia +91-9950211818 on english.stackexchange.com

TGMCians

SPAM ^^

Flag

Undo

flagged

3ventic

flaghammered

codeMagic

17:33

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/26001227/…

if I may

TGMCians

yes sure

done

status-closed

codeMagic

Thank you, kind sirs and ma'ams

TGMCians

np

Sam

np

Infinite Recursion

np

Random quote of the day:

I've said this over and over again, @Hot... but I'll say it again: by and large, people don't leave when you insult them; they double their resolve to annoy you further. The single best way to drive someone away is to ignore them, to give them no response whatsoever. Here's some reading for you... — Shog9 ♦ 22 hours ago

Lynn Crumbling

17:39

@InfiniteRecursion Nice.

Infinite Recursion

:)

Lynn Crumbling

Ok.. my turn -- here's my Random quote of (yesterday):

> meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/271863/…

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: WHAT DO YOU LIKE (THE) MOST, SHORTS OR MINIS? on english.stackexchange.com

Infinite Recursion

Yours is nicer @Lynn

Lynn Crumbling

18:02

@InfiniteRecursion I lol'd when I read it.

Infinite Recursion

Let's welcome new member:

Pham, Next to Sam

21 2

rene

Hi @pham

Pham

Hiya

Sam

Hiya

Undo

@Pham @Sam Oy.

Remember, @Santa is watching. Don't be bad and vote for eachother.

ProgramFOX

18:08

Is a chat room for a new site automatically created, or does it have to be created manually?

Sam

@Undo I know I know; I'm only using him to take all the command pinging, nothing more.

Infinite Recursion

@uni is missing the grand debut of Pham

TGMCians

@Pham yo

Pham

@TGMCians 'Sup

rene

@ProgramFOX aren't all chatrooms hosted on stackexchange anyway? So who's first to create has it?

ProgramFOX

18:11

@rene Correct, but the first message of a site's chatroom is from the Stack Exchange user, with some explanation about chat.

That's only for "general discussion for [site]" rooms, not for all rooms.

Sam

I thought about giving him red eyes to help differentiate, but that'd be too creepy so I just changed the background.

rene

@ProgramFOX hmm, I can imagine that it is a human thingy... not worth automating...

ProgramFOX

Though here it's mentioned that it's automatic.

Undo

It's automatic

I've tried to get a room created before it, it's impossible :P

ProgramFOX

I have the first Informed badge on emacs.SE :D

Undo

18:15

that's a thing now?

rene

@Undo I flag that as prove you're gaming the system.. ;)

Sam

Congrats

ProgramFOX

@Undo Yes, in private beta.

Undo

Huh, there's a web design site too, brand new.

I didn't even have that one on my radar.

rene

5

Q: Does it pay to spin off sites?

This week, we are launching a new site for Emacs questions. It's been pointed out that there are already 11k questions tagged emacs on Stack Overflow. Setting aside the question of whether new sites will benefit from having a more focused community of users and an expanded topic, will splitting E...

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Thanks Smokey

Lynn Crumbling

18:17

it's gone.

Undo

@SmokeDetector delete

Lynn Crumbling

nice.

is smokey subject to the same delete limitations as any other user?

bah.

same user.

Undo

@LynnCrumbling yeah

@LynnCrumbling user destroyed

Lynn Crumbling

nice.

Undo

@SmokeDetector delete

of course

Lynn Crumbling

18:22

that's already gone; delete

Undo

@SmokeDetector delete

Lynn Crumbling

(I'm not a member of charcoal, I'm going to assume)

Undo

not atm

Lynn Crumbling

Wonder how long that person will keep trying to post.

Undo

eventually SpamRam will get him

Lynn Crumbling

18:24

@Undo Unfamiliar with that...

WOW - that was gone FAST!

(delete)

Undo

@LynnCrumbling SE's automagical learning spam thing

@SmokeDetector delete

Lynn Crumbling

nice.

Undo

@LynnCrumbling self-deleted :/

Lynn Crumbling

haha

rene

its back up

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/239849/…

Undo

18:29

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@Undo Of course

@Undo ... did I miss something?

Undo

test

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@Undo ... did I miss something?

@Undo Yup

Undo

that's odd :P

oh crap

Lynn Crumbling

A double-reply?

Undo

18:30

I have two instances running :P

Lynn Crumbling

@rene still up

rene

yeah

organize some flaggers

Lynn Crumbling

gone.

that took way too long.

Undo

Smokey back up

@SmokeDetector delete

Oh, @LynnCrumbling you should be able to use delete in here now

only after the spam is gone, of course ;)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected, Phone number detected: vashikaran specialist astrologer in Australia +91-9950211818 on meta.stackexchange.com

Lynn Crumbling

18:41

@SmokeDetector delete

Undo

you have to reply to the message

with the little arrow

Lynn Crumbling

oh.

@SmokeDetector delete

Undo

just reply-arrow delete

@LynnCrumbling it won't take edits ;)

try it again @LynnCrumbling

rene

Crappy software ;)

Lynn Crumbling

@SmokeDetector delete

HAHA

Undo

18:43

rofl

It's past the two-minute limit now, it won't work.

Lynn Crumbling

yeah - really.

I'll try again w/ this one.

Undo

yup :D

Lynn Crumbling

still open.

Undo

gone

Lynn Crumbling

@TGMCians Hah; +1'd that.

@SmokeDetector delete

yay!

TGMCians

18:44

:)

Undo

yay :D

Lynn Crumbling

:)

TGMCians

@SmokeDetector delete

rlemon

so I wanna talk to a mod who closed then deleted my question right away (on a new SE site, asking questions in meta) @RobertCartaino -- but I don't feel like it is important enough to flag the Q and bug all mods

and I don't know if emailing him would be pushy / bothersome

what to do, what to do

Lynn Crumbling

@SmokeDetector delete

Undo

18:46

just a minute @rlemon, let me see if I can get him.

Lynn Crumbling

@Undo This is getting old. Fast.

Undo

it is

bjb568

(Ugh, cache)

TGMCians

@Undo huh

1 min ago, by TGMCians

@SmokeDetector delete

Undo

we probably should have it check after a few minutes through the API to see if it's still there.

TGMCians

18:47

it didn't work

Undo

right

TGMCians

why ?

Undo

There's a whitelist of users that it works with

TGMCians

oh so i am in blacklist

:D

Undo

no

bjb568

18:47

@rlemon Invite to chat?

Undo

You're not in the whitelist ;)

Lynn Crumbling

(!whitelisted) != (blacklisted)

TGMCians

so everywhere milestone @Undo ...

Lynn Crumbling

DIE. ugh.

rlemon

@bjb568 can't -- no option

(that i'm aware of)

Undo

18:48

@rlemon Let it be for a while, he'll likely get your ping and if he doesn't he'll get mine.

rlemon

tl;dr I asked a very open ended question on a new SE site (one recommended in the "The 7 Essential Meta Questions of Every Beta")

it was closed and deleted at the same time with a comment. I somewhat agree with the comment that it takes very long to define these things. but then maybe that blog post needs some revisions ( considering it is plastered to every page :P )

Lynn Crumbling

@Undo So.. this SpamRam you speak of... how long is the learning curve?

Undo

@LynnCrumbling it's private employee-only

TGMCians

Smokey spamming in tavern :p

rlemon

,.

Lynn Crumbling

18:49

@SmokeDetector delete

TGMCians

@LynnCrumbling how did you manage to add yourself in whitelist ?

Lynn Crumbling

I believe I have @Undo to thank.

Undo

@rlemon this is emacs, right?

rlemon

no

web design

I wish I was cool enough for emacs

I'm a vim user

Shog9

@rlemon not particularly pushy or bothersome. But still waaay more pushy and bothersome than, y'know, flagging or even raising the issue on meta.

Lynn Crumbling

18:51

@SmokeDetector delete

rlemon

@Shog9 I would have thought flagging would be more bothersome, but I only see the chat flags :P and more often than not they are bothersome :P

Undo

Say, why doesn't Web Design have a chatroom I can find?

Shog9

@rlemon that's because you haven't seen chat emails. It's all relative.

rlemon

because we are corralled in the HTML room on SO

@Shog9 well I assume you can see this: meta.webdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/2/…

Shog9

@rlemon can you see the comment?

rlemon

18:54

I agree with the comment, but I would like to put in my two cents about 1) delete immediately after close limits any conversation with him (hence me being here)

also he called me by the wrong username

I was so confused

Shog9

@rlemon yeah, that's weird

unless

maybe he knows something you don't

Undo

@TGM you're on the whitelist, use your privs wisely, they can be revoked.

Santa Claus

@Undo it's hard to keep watch on everyone while taking an impossible english test. (Which is what I happened to be doing when you pinged me)

rlemon

the sites been live for very short time. I was reading the blog post and asked what seemed like the two most important questions to define.

TGMCians

@Undo ok thanks :)

Shog9

18:55

have you ever woken up in a strange bed in a house you don't recognize in some city you've never seen before, with a beautifully hand-written note on the bedside table addressed to "githubphagocyte"?

rlemon

it should be made clear in that blog post not to actually ask those questions on meta

@Shog9 no, but i've often wondered why it says "Fred" on the inside of my underwear.

Shog9

@rlemon oh, it's a really important question. Too important for one... uh, meta question

and yeah, we need to update that blog post

rlemon

I was just looking for some quick and dirty stuff to get us going so we didn't have a flood of off topic questions

so I do agree, it was too broad for any one question, but I still think something like it would be helpful. but then again i've never been at the start of a SE site before

Undo

usually the idea with betas is to talk about the crap that comes in so that there's an example. Or that's what I've always seen done.

rlemon

brb need coffee

Undo

18:57

but I don't see any fault with trying to get some broad guidelines up front. Just IMO

Shog9

@rlemon the only way to handle that is to let folks start asking stuff... and then start discussing stuff that doesn't seem "quite right".

@rlemon For the first few weeks, you'll have few enough questions to discuss specific cases - and the discussions you have will build the foundation for the broader discussions that must follow

bjb568

@Undo canicanicani?

Santa Claus

I don't feel like taking all the letters this Christmas, so I think I'll redirect them to @SmokeDetector first and only read the ones that match any of its profanity filters.

2

rlemon

what?

codeMagic

Awe...missed the fun

TGMCians

19:02

:2442278 thanks rene...good

Santa Claus

Something about @Shog9 being a hog.

codeMagic

So someone thought a rhyming title would make there "question" good? Got it :D

rene

@SantaClaus ... will be a silent night ...

Lynn Crumbling

It's a shame I don't know of a decent vashikaran specialist astrologer anywhere.

codeMagic

Haha!

rene

19:10

@LynnCrumbling Why? You want to date one?

TGMCians

:D

Lynn Crumbling

@rene I've heard there's a lot of money in it, if you can get your phone number out to the masses.

Undo

Looks like the spam is stopped, I'm turning SD off.

Lynn Crumbling

19:35

Is this >5500 rep user asking an SU-type question? stackoverflow.com/q/26002872/656243

rene

@LynnCrumbling Yes, he is

Undo

yes

rene

A famous user... ask @bart about him....

Lynn Crumbling

@rene ..oh?

@Bart What's rene referring to?

Let's make it formal, then:

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/26002872/656243

rene

/me hides for the smiting stick

bjb568

19:40

Flagged stackoverflow.com/q/25924116/2371861 for mod closure. DV it.

TGMCians

why ?

Undo

@bjb568 why?

bjb568

It's a debug-my-code question.

TGMCians

@LynnCrumbling migrated

Andy

@bjb568 Super secret surprise: Most of SO is debug my code questions

3

bjb568

19:43

Questions seeking debugging help ("why isn't this code working?") must include the desired behavior, a specific problem or error and the shortest code necessary to reproduce it in the question itself. Questions without a clear problem statement are not useful to other readers. See: How to create a Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable example. — bjb568 7 secs ago

Lynn Crumbling

@bjb568 Could his images be any larger?

codeMagic

~~dv and vote to close maybe but don't flag for mods~~ pay attention, codeMagic!

bjb568

@codeMagic You can't close it because of the bounty.

TGMCians

^^^^

Undo

this is a special case because bounty

TGMCians

19:44

yup

codeMagic

Yeah, sorry. I should pay more attention

Lynn Crumbling

What this user really should have asked is "how can I get exception messages working? I'm getting this error, but when I copy the requested file into the location that I believe to be correct, nothing changes."

All of this tangential TL; dr. of code is exhausting to read.

I wonder how long it would take me to find out how to properly deploy the cab that is being requested.

hah: stackoverflow.com/q/4859829/656243

How long did that take me?

Why wasn't this post cv'd-dup originally?

whack -1.

Btw- that SO question was the #1 google result for "please install netcfv35.messages.en.wm.cab"

codeMagic

Oops...voted to close for wrong reason on a question. Should I retract or leave it? We should get a certain amount of mulligans

rene

@codeMagic I can vote correctly if you want?

codeMagic

If you agree..."questions asking for help...provide errors...etc" stackoverflow.com/questions/26003088/…

TGMCians

20:00

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@TGMCians Of course

TGMCians

ah ok

Lynn Crumbling

ok...

THIS ... is the LONGEST question I've ever seen.

Anybody... anybody want to take a guess at how many pages it is?

bjb568

@LynnCrumbling Too many>

Lynn Crumbling

e_toolong stackoverflow.com/q/25652692/656243

rene

20:06

@codeMagic done

codeMagic

Thanks!

rene

@LynnCrumbling on my 800 x 1E9 CRT just one...

codeMagic

And the accepted answer is two lines :D

Lynn Crumbling

:P

bjb568

CV stackoverflow.com/q/24416264/2371861

CV stackoverflow.com/q/23417425/2371861

CV stackoverflow.com/q/24290170/2371861

TGMCians

20:09

you are shouting :p

bjb568

CV stackoverflow.com/q/8637386/2371861

VLQ stackoverflow.com/a/8637908/2371861

rene

Pls?

bjb568

Pls.

TL;DR Close all that user's questions.

TGMCians

@bjb568 voted..

Jan Dvorak

I'm here. How many pending CV-PLSes before I fall asleep?

TGMCians

20:19

@Jan ^^^

rene

@bjb568 done

Jan Dvorak

closed already; closed; closed already

TGMCians

10x

Lynn Crumbling

@bjb568 closed.

TGMCians

@LynnCrumbling flag answer also

Lynn Crumbling

20:28

naa || vlq ?

Jan Dvorak

yes

TGMCians

vlq

Lynn Crumbling

done.

dv issued as well.

Jan Dvorak

or naa

TGMCians

thnx

Lynn Crumbling

20:35

dv-plz stackoverflow.com/a/14495753/656243 (C# answer to an obj-c question)

hichris123

It caught it!

in Smoke Detector School on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 hours ago, by hichris123

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 98.7696: vashikaran specialist astrologer in Australia +91-9950211818 on meta.stackexchange.com

Undo

:D

TGMCians

yo @hichris123

Undo

there was a bunch of it, did it get all of it?

Santa Claus

...to plot a penis in matlab. do you happen to know how? — tomwilde yesterday

Lynn Crumbling

20:36

@hichris123 Yeah.. like 9 or 10 of them.

hichris123

@Undo I think.

Undo

yayz

hichris123

yes.

Looks like it caught 12.

@TGMCians oy

Santa Claus

contemplates which SE site would be best to ask "How do I graph a penis in matlab" — Santa Claus 20 secs ago

TGMCians

ok bye, good night

hichris123

20:40

night!

Lynn Crumbling

'night

Jan Dvorak

night

Wow. This is the first case in a long time where I flagged a post as "blatantly offtopic" rather than just "very low quality". Where did you mean to post this? — Jan Dvorak 1 min ago

Sam

20:55

night

Pham

night

SmokeDetector

21:39

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected: Does increasing water intake during a diet help with weight loss? on skeptics.stackexchange.com

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