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17:00

delete it chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2382027#2382027

ProgramFOX

a) Why? b) It's too late to do that now.

TGMCians

ok then no problem...because guys already undo that stars.

ProgramFOX

ah, I see

2

Awal Garg

ah, I see

2

bjb568

ah, I see

Sam

17:02

ah, I see

2

Second Rikudo

ah, I see

2

rene

Oh, grow up!

3

ProgramFOX

^^^^

Jan Dvorak

^

Awal Garg

^^^^

TGMCians

17:03

^

bjb568

^^^^

Sam

^

Second Rikudo

^

rene

This room is a lost case...

bjb568

This room is a lost case…

Awal Garg

17:03

This room is a lost case...

Sam

This room is a lost case...

Jan Dvorak

...

Awal Garg

...

TGMCians

...

bjb568

...

Sam

17:04

...

Cole Johnson

Morning!

ProgramFOX

runs away to another room because too many trains

bjb568

Morning!

Jan Dvorak

Morning!

ProgramFOX

@ColeJohnson Morning!

rene

17:04

@ColeJohnson Morning!

Awal Garg

@ColeJohnson Morning!

TGMCians

Morning!

Cole Johnson

@ProgramFOX Go to your room!

Sam

@ColeJohnson Morning!

Awal Garg

1

bjb568

17:05

1

Awal Garg

2

Cole Johnson

2

Awal Garg

3

bjb568

3

4

Awal Garg

4

Cole Johnson

17:05

4

Awal Garg

5

Cole Johnson

420

bjb568

5

Awal Garg

42

bjb568

425

542

Jan Dvorak

17:05

any RO willing to clean up this mess?

Cole Johnson

No

bjb568

No

TGMCians

No

Awal Garg

No

Cole Johnson

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/1089018/…

Awal Garg

17:06

ok

Infinite Recursion

@Awal: I recall where I met you before; you were messing with Robert Harvey on this post:

If you don't agree with this answer, please feel free to downvote @Awal, that's the correct way to show disagreement on meta — Infinite Recursion Jul 12 at 6:11

Cole Johnson

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/q/25712348/1350209

TGMCians

@ColeJohnson done

Jan Dvorak

@ColeJohnson disagreed; the topic is more related to the representation of floats in computers than to math

Awal Garg

@InfiniteRecursion lol you still remember that???

Cole Johnson

17:07

@JanDvorak it is a fuzzy one

Infinite Recursion

I have finite tolerance for rudeness. Yes.

4

Cole Johnson

But even if it is floating point related, it would be better on Math.SE

@InfiniteRecursion I hate you

Awal Garg

and first small avatar for this room \o/

Santa Claus

@InfiniteRecursion But but but...you're so small, yellow, and cute!

3

rene

@InfiniteRecursion I'll remember and use that, if you don't mind.

2

Infinite Recursion

17:09

I don't mind at all @rene :)

Cole Johnson

Santa Claus

Hey...who wants to approve some suggested edits?

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5717030

Awal Garg

I don't understand, what is this room about? Close voting? Message chains?

TGMCians

> Where excuses happen, and edge cases get resolved. Wheel of blame link bolted on for your ease of use: jsfiddle.net/AYPpF/82/embedded/result

Cole Johnson

I don't understand, what is this room about? Close voting? Message chains?

Santa Claus

17:11

29 secs ago, by TGMCians

> Where excuses happen, and edge cases get resolved. Wheel of blame link bolted on for your ease of use: jsfiddle.net/AYPpF/82/embedded/result

Awal Garg

28 secs ago, by Cole Johnson

I don't understand, what is this room about? Close voting? Message chains?

Jan Dvorak

and train trains

Awal Garg

and train trains

bjb568

@SantaClaus Oh, you wanted me to approve? Uh, no.

Sam

Leaves to get dinner before getting sucked into another train...

Cole Johnson

17:12

and train trains

Jan Dvorak

@ColeJohnson too late

Awal Garg

@ColeJohnson too late

Cole Johnson

@SantaClaus Oh, you wanted me to approve? Uh, ok.

rene

@Sam good advice...

Cole Johnson

I should make a chat bot that when it detects message chains, jumps on.

Jan Dvorak

17:13

I once thought about implementing a bot that would hop on message trains automagically. Now I can see why that would be a bad idea

ProgramFOX

@ColeJohnson @rene has a chatbot that does that.

Santa Claus

@bjb568 I don't see how my edit was wrong, and yours was right?

TGMCians

you all guys have bots...I don't have any

Cole Johnson

I don't have any

TGMCians

don't know how to code for that

Awal Garg

17:14

I don't have any

bjb568

@SantaClaus Mine wasn't "right". I was just rejecting yours.

Awal Garg

don't know how to code for that

Jan Dvorak

I do have one, but it doesn't chat

Santa Claus

@bjb568 Well that was mean.

ProgramFOX

@TGMCians There is a Python wrapper for chat: github.com/Manishearth/ChatExchange

Cole Johnson

17:14

@TGMCians you're on a programming focused website, and you can't code a chat bot? You're lying

Santa Claus

@bjb568 Bots have feelings too.

Cole Johnson

Bots have feelings too

Jan Dvorak

@SantaClaus no

Awal Garg

@SantaClaus no

Cole Johnson

@SantaClaus no

TGMCians

17:15

@ProgramFOX ok I never even installed Python in my exp..:D

Santa Claus

Hey, who wants to approve this one: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5717028

Cole Johnson

@TGMCians use C#

rene

@ProgramFOX it runs in the sandbox now

TGMCians

I only know Java

Cole Johnson

Java and C# are pretty similar

If you know Java though, that'll work too

Just don't ask me for help

TGMCians

17:16

Hmm

Jan Dvorak

@SantaClaus hm... the XML wasn't indented...

TGMCians

@ColeJohnson Don't worry I won't :)

Cole Johnson

@JanDvorak indenting XML is for weaklings

rene

@TGMCians have a look at the javascript code here

Santa Claus

@JanDvorak I didn't catch that. But theres no way you can say my edit "wasn't helpful"

Jan Dvorak

17:17

still feels kinda minor... ;-)

bjb568

Too minor.

Cole Johnson

@SantaClaus your edit wasn't helpful

^ there

Jan Dvorak

@SantaClaus Too minor. Obvious rep-grinding ;-)

Santa Claus

@JanDvorak There was unparsed markdown.

Cole Johnson

spam-plz stackoverflow.com/a/25711417/1350209

Jan Dvorak

17:18

@SantaClaus now you censor yourself. It's still in the history, though

Santa Claus

@JanDvorak I usually do that unless its with a translate bot

Cole Johnson

Clear your history /s

Jan Dvorak

@ColeJohnson spam'd

@SantaClaus *it's

Santa Claus

@JanDvorak Oh, thanks.

Hey @bjb568, How was my edit not helpful?

bjb568

@SantaClaus Don't edit posts that should be deleted.

@ColeJohnson CV

Santa Claus

17:21

@bjb568 Why did you edit it then?

Jan Dvorak

@SantaClaus ...

@SantaClaus hypocrite

Santa Claus

I honestly don't see why there was anything wrong with that edit.

Jan Dvorak

...

bjb568

@SantaClaus To reject it.

Santa Claus

@bjb568 You could have easily said Reject>Custom>"Should be deleted instead".

bjb568

17:24

@SantaClaus That isn't a binding vote tho.

Jan Dvorak

> video quality 2i: the light sensor now vibrates

Santa Claus

@bjb568 Well maybe you should have given others the chance to weigh in?

bjb568

@SantaClaus Oh, let the robo reviewers cough cough cough decide? No.

Jan Dvorak

@SantaClaus why?

Santa Claus

@JanDvorak Because there were two others who already approved it?

Jan Dvorak

17:26

@SantaClaus more of a reason to rejedit?

bjb568

crap stackoverflow.com/q/25712742/2371861

Santa Claus

@JanDvorak I don't understand how it doesn't improve the post.

bjb568

@SantaClaus THE POINT IS THAT YOU SHOULDN'T IMPROVE THE POST.

(he shouted)

Jan Dvorak

@SantaClaus it doesn't improve the post enough?

bjb568

… because the post can't be improved enough.

… because it's crap. And should be deleted. And shouldn't be edited.

Santa Claus

17:27

@JanDvorak This isn't the low-quality queue. I don't have to say "Edited enough to be left open".

bjb568

Yes, you do.

Jan Dvorak

@SantaClaus whereas you would say that in the LQQ?

bjb568

In any case, a bot making trivial edits is rep farming.

Santa Claus

@bjb568 How was it trivial?

bjb568

@SantaClaus It takes little time and thot.

Jan Dvorak

17:29

>>translate auto en thot

ProgramFOX

@JanDvorak It crashed: github.com/Manishearth/ChatExchange/issues/75

FOX 9000

Bot started.

ProgramFOX

And it's back!

Santa Claus

>>translate auto en thot

FOX 9000

@SantaClaus says

Infinite Recursion

17:31

22 mins ago, by Cole Johnson

@InfiniteRecursion I hate you

^why @cole?

Anyways, I learnt a lot in the tavern, I hope you learn a lot too @cole. Bye.

Santa Claus

Here, reject this @bjb568. stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5717145

hichris123

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A: Is "don't polish turds" a valid edit rejection reason?

There is no point. Ultimately, if a user wants to waste their item editing a post which is going to get deleted anyways, I don't see any particular reason to approve or reject them. Sure, they get a +2 reputation for editing the post, which is going to get retracted when the post is deleted. Oh w...

For people debating approving/rejecting edits on questions that should be deleted.

Santa Claus

@hichris123 That @animusion guy is so smart.

bjb568

@SantaClaus grumbles at helpful edit

hichris123

@SantaClaus Indeed.

Awal Garg

17:36

Anyone wants me to open a bounty on any question?

Braiam

@SantaClaus Y U START WITH BR TAG!?

Santa Claus

@bjb568 You seem to be abusing the whole edit-equals-binding-vote thing and avoiding the democratic process

bjb568

@SantaClaus Too many robo reviewers, I can't trust people's judgement.

Santa Claus

@bjb568 I mean...is that an accepted practice?

bjb568

@SantaClaus Bring it up on meta.

Santa Claus

17:38

@bjb568 That doesn't sound like fun.

hichris123

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5717054 approve plz

stackoverflow.com/posts/25712603/revisions ...

Braiam

soundcloud.com/m-pulse/left-alone

Santa Claus

Hey who wants to approve this stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5717004

rene

@SantaClaus you only get a coulple of downvotes....

Braiam

@SantaClaus "formatting"?

Santa Claus

17:44

@Braiam What else is that box for?

ProgramFOX

@SantaClaus Errmm... you got 20 rep on SO, but now you try using your bot on MSE...

Santa Claus

@ProgramFOX No I just clicked in the wrong place

ProgramFOX

ah

TGMCians

cya

@rene lets review close vote queue if possible for you this time

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: DÚVIDA EM RELAÇÃO SOBRE A JANELA MDIFORM on pt.stackoverflow.com

Braiam

17:49

weird... why I can't edit on pt.SO?

Santa Claus

in The North Pole on Stack Overflow Chat, 7 secs ago, by SantaBot

I have risen.

bjb568

@Braiam There's another suggested edit going thru.

ProgramFOX

Yes, that's mine.

I hope my Portugese edit summary actually makes sense :P

bjb568

Awal Garg

Look at the bounty at this question!

hichris123

18:01

Approve plz: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5717050

Jan Dvorak

@AwalGarg but... why?

Braiam

@hichris123 @bjb568 why too minor?

bjb568

@Braiam Delete as "Unclear what you're asking".

Braiam

funny title meta.stackexchange.com/questions/239060/…

@bjb568 mm... that is a fine question, better than most we get here: has reproducible steps, the relevant code, is clear

bjb568

@Braiam Looks like a code wall to me.

Awal Garg

18:20

@JanDvorak see my comment there :)

Jan Dvorak

@AwalGarg but... why put it this way?

Awal Garg

@JanDvorak ain't sure. Sometimes I behave weirdly, I am human after all. Ignoring is the best to do.

Jan Dvorak

*ignores Awal*

Awal Garg

(actually, I wanted to see what will the system do with placeholder text lol)

As it turns out, it does nothing. Which is kinda weird... I had expected some red box to pop up.

Shadow Wizard

@AnnaLear @Oded Mayday Mayday! We got a super annoying bug

Santa Claus

18:23

github.com/Zirak/SO-ChatBot/blob/master/source/…

Shadow Wizard

I think any of you (Anna, Oded) can easily save the day:

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Q: Animated gifs are animating

I think we have a regression. Exhibit A: Consider Animated Gif Profile pic on StackOverflow doesn't animate and the resolution: It doesn't animate because allowing it to do so would be super annoying. Exhibit B: https://stackoverflow.com/users/4014146/sam-steve

animuson

Heh the "oh let's just give it another try" mentality: stackoverflow.com/users/3163306/avril-alejandro?tab=reputation

Jan Dvorak

cv-pls superuser.com/questions/808490/best-cpu-for-my-laptop

hichris123

@animuson ha!

Braiam

man, I don't like when I solve OP's problem as expressed in the question and they start asking follow-up question about what comes next

isn't adding at the end "After that, I presume you know what comes." enough?

Anna Lear

18:46

@shadow I'll look later when I'm at a computer.

lostsock

when is the pinned message going to go?

the rent is too damn high!

rene

@animuson only 7 days...?

lostsock

@animuson ^

animuson

Standard suspension length for a first offense...

rene

So that user is just lucky...for now...

animuson

18:56

Sometimes I increase it depending on amount of effort I had to put into cleaning it up.

rene

:)

wow, just wow... and all that trouble for some fake internet points...

animuson

They're not fake, they're virtual! There's a difference!

lostsock

@rene isn't it the same as how boy/girl scouts earn badges though?

animuson

Fake is like giving people Monopoly money... "The hell am I gonna do with this? Play Monopoly?"

rene

@lostsock probably, but I never made it to the scouts so can't really tell...

lostsock

19:04

there was a news story about how girl scouts were selling cookies next to marijuanna shops in colorado... smart girls

TGMCians

hey guys

please close this

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/25710119/…

@animuson delete it ^^

bjb568

Anybody know what post had the most downvotes within 5 minutes on SO?

I remember seeing one that went down to -30 before being deleted about 7 minutes later.

Something like "iz mah wabsite goooowd [link]". The highest voted comment was something like "it looks like crap".

Sam

It is alright to remove "thanks" sections from questions, right? (Here's a good example.)

AstroCB

5 hours ago, by AstroCB

-1

Q: Type Casting and Rounding

Using the following declarations, rewrite the statements to include the appropriate type casting, most accurate rounding where necessary. If type casting is not necessary, explain why. int j = 5; double k = 1.6; int y; double z; a) y = j * k; b) z = j * k; c) z = k * k; d) k = j; ...

java

^ -12 in two minutes after I posted it here.

TGMCians

what is -1 ?? ^

it should be -13 now

AstroCB

19:17

@TGMCians It shows as it was at the time I posted it (I was the one who downvoted it)

lostsock

@Sam that was hideous , fixed

TGMCians

oh I got..

I thought you posted again..

AstroCB

@TGMCians Nope: it's deleted.

stackoverflow.com/questions/25711309/type-casting-and-rounding

^

Sam

@lostsock Yeah, I know. I was going to edit it myself, but I just wanted to check if it was ok to completely remove massive sections like that.

TGMCians

@AstroCB No I was pointing to comment chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2382335#2382335

but I double checked you pasted it from transcript

AstroCB

19:20

@Sam Yes: it's treated as unnecessary noise.

Sam

@AstroCB Ok, thanks.

AstroCB

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/25713750/…

rene

@Sam so many gems in deleted answers

hichris123

> the code has no bugs but the program get unfortunatly stop

I think you misunderstand what a bug is.

rene

19:22

Braiam

> Did you hear the one about the unscheduled maintenance the day after the scheduled maintenance?

yup

Sam

@rene Unfortunately I can't see any of them, yet. :/

TGMCians

status-closed

rene

@Sam I'll share if I find ones to keep ....

TGMCians

@hichris123 lol

Sam

19:24

@rene Thanks.

rene

Yeah, I have a nice answer badge on MSO....such an emotional roller coaster for me today... ;)

Braiam

why are suggested edits going too slow lately? 30 mins before my edit was approved

rene

Was it a wiki?

Braiam

no, and no to your next question about the problem

rene

:)

lostsock

19:34

^ the suggestion in question stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5717471

maybe it's possible that it got low-priority since the question was a year old?

Sam

I think there's just not many reviewers around, or something.

hichris123

a) new reviewing system, b) less reviewers since it's a weekend.

lostsock

c) laziness d) robo-reviewer self accusation

Braiam

is interesting that reviewers has a 10 mins diff between each of them

rene

all suggested edit reviews for the last 25 minutes fit on one page showing 50 reviews

Braiam

19:38

welp! ants invaded my worktable!

Sam

Erm, isn't this off-topic?

animuson

Why is review taking so long to load? o.o

lostsock

@Sam sure, along with 500000 others

@animuson flags need reviewing, try the flag review queue

Braiam

@Sam too broad, pob sounds more fitting

Sam

pob?

animuson

19:44

We really need a "not stupid flags" filter in our queue.

bjb568

@Sam Yeap.

@animuson Huh, is there a filter for just my flags?

lostsock

@Sam primarily opinion based

Sam

Ah, ok. Flagged it.

Braiam

animuson comes and save the day!

animuson

Goodbye, page full of links.

Sam

19:56

Can Mods see the flagger when reviewing (chat/comment) flags?

Braiam

@Sam yes

hichris123

We can't see the flagger on comment flags.

Braiam

Moderators see everything

@hichris123 :/

hichris123

I think sometimes we can see them on chat flags, but not all of the time... not sure what the criteria is.

rlemon

you can see chat flags with 10K rep

Braiam

19:57

welp, this need more votes stackoverflow.com/q/25711859/792066

Sam

Alright, thx.

hichris123

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Q: Why can't moderators see who flagged a comment?

Why can't moderators see who flagged a comment? I read this old post on the topic, but I don't really understand Shog's response on the linked post - maybe it would've made sense to me if I was on SO in 2010, but from where I stand now, I don't really see what all this talk about discouraging pe...

discussion moderator-tools comment-flags

lostsock

DROP TABLE Comments

Braiam

DROP TABLE TavernDwellers

lostsock

DROP DATABASE EarthScience

animuson

20:04

Mexican Seafood!

This actually isn't too bad.

hichris123

@lostsock >:(

lostsock

UPDATE Users SET reputation = 1 WHERE DisplayName LIKE 'hichris123'

1 row affected

Braiam

neat xkcd.com/1416

animuson

@Braiam Makes me think of...

Sam

cv-too-broad-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/25656591/…

rene

20:45

@Sam I'm out of CV's

hichris123

@Braiam are you here?

Braiam

no Megan

hichris123

@Braiam I'm trying to install lib32ncurses5-dev on 14.04 but it's giving me a 'no packages found' error.

I'm on x86 by the way.

It looks like it exists... packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/lib32ncurses5-dev

Wait, is the correct package packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/lib64ncurses5-dev?

rene

that one

hichris123

That's... weird.

rene

20:53

The first one is the wrong architecture

hichris123

Why would it say 64 in the name but be for x86/32 bit?

rene

if you are really on x86

hichris123

yeah, I am.

rene

Could be wrongly packaged... but I assume more people would complain

Braiam

Y U NO MULTIARCH UBUNTU?

@hichris123 exactly, they built different package names for each architecture packages.ubuntu.com/source/trusty/ncurses

hichris123

20:57

@Braiam But why is the library for x64 named '32' and the library for x32 is named '64'?

Braiam

@hichris123 because should be able to install both 32 and 64 versions of the packages

rene

I'm out...

hichris123

@Braiam ah!

night rene.

bjb568

21:39

@animuson Why would it be bad?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected: is it permissible for a teenager to watch porn? on islam.stackexchange.com

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/q/2054557/2581872

stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/5717918

lolwut?

> ♡♥♡♥♡♥ Teacher: "Anyone who thinks he's stupid may stand up!" Nobody stands up Teacher: "Im sure there are some stupid students over here!!" Little Johnny stands up Teacher: "Ohh, Johnny you think you're stupid?" Little Johnny: "No... i just feel bad that you're standing alone..."

bjb568

@hichris123 Was that the content of the answer?

hichris123

@bjb568 the part I blockquoted, yep.

bjb568

@hichris123 That's POB, don't migrate.

@hichris123 Huh. I like it.

hichris123

21:44

@bjb568 It can't be migrated anyway...

@bjb568 Well, sure, but on the wrong question. :P

bjb568

@hichris123 Yeah, whatever, don't do that if you find a diamond somehow or something.

animuson

> You've earned the "Popular Question" badge (Asked a question with 1,000 views) for "How to store a banana that was cut in half to preserve the other half?".

hichris123

@bjb568 Only employees can migrate questions older than 60 days. And it's existed for 4 years.

@animuson ... what question is this?

bjb568

@hichris123 Fine. Then just don't migrate it if you get hired.

animuson

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Q: How to store a banana that was cut in half to preserve the other half?

I can usually only eat about half of a banana, and usually when I get sick of it I just throw it away. In the past, I've seen bananas cut in half at hotels and other places that provide breakfast, etc, and thought maybe I could do the same - just cut it in half, eat one half now, and eat the othe...

storage-method bananas

hichris123

21:47

lol

@bjb568 How likely is it for me to get hired in the next 4 years? About 1 to 1000000.

bjb568

@hichris123 It's about a 1 to 100000 chance that you've got the probability correct to 7 digits precision.

hichris123

@bjb568 hehe.

Well, fact of the matter is I'm a minor, sooo...

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New year... 2015?

Santa Claus

>>randomint

hichris123

stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/5718097

Santa Claus

>>help

>>translate en es hi

>>WHYDONTYOUWORKY

hichris123

21:53

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Q: What to do with a highly voted, rotten, link only *question*?

Looking at Haskell's top questions I noticed this particular question: Small Haskell program compiled with GHC into huge binary. This question is very peculiar: question and answer have many upvotes (80+ and 140+ respectively) the text of the question is completely useless. Here's the complete...