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ProgramFOX

15:00

@Stijn I learned C++ as my first language, and switched to C# when I wanted to make GUIs.

Braiam

@Stijn you still have faith in humanity?

Vote to Close

He's only 24, give em a break

Final Contest

@Stijn: what is surprising is a 124K user thinks it is a genuine question.

@FinalContest: It's clear that you're just going through the list of close reasons trying desperately to find one to use, because you're mad or something, I guess. I spoke with the OP in chat and am satisfied that this is a genuine question, if a basic one. — Lightness Races in Orbit 3 mins ago

Braiam

2 mins ago, by Braiam

@Stijn you still have faith in humanity?

user202362

You know what's common in pretty much all horror movies? Stupid people ... if there are only smart people in those same movies, then they would be thrillers instead ...

Bart

15:09

@Stijn hanging around on SO, I get the idea that the primary users of C++ are the equivalent of babies left alone with a razor blade

Final Contest

not sure why I am mad thinking that the question is close-worthy.

Stijn

@Braiam I'm starting to wake up... :)

Final Contest

I used to answer those until Robert (mod) closed it with typo

then I kind of agreed with him, or minimal understanding. There is shitload of these around

and people keep answering them

Vote to Close

@Stijn

►

Final Contest

well, C++ is an obsolete language IMHO, at least I want it to look so :-)

SPArchaeologist

15:15

Bwhahahaha. I just managed to reply to a question about a "bug" with Applejack most famous quote.

"What did you learn?"

"I didn't learn anything. I was right all time along".

ManishBot

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected: How to block porn sites? on security.stackexchange.com

Bart

I get it. "block" ...

@FinalContest Go say that in the Lounge

Vote to Close

The question will likely be a Hot Network Question just like all the other porn questions

oh my workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/28179/…

Stijn

...

hichris123

@VotetoClose I almost want to bet that they're a troll.

Vote to Close

15:26

yea, it's a joke/troll post for sure

Final Contest

@Bart: why would I? They would call me a troll for my opinion.

threatening with banning.

Vote to Close

everytime i check out the workplace, it reminds of yahoo answers

Final Contest

-6

Q: How do I display second form in Qt?

I use Qt Creator. I have main form called, which has got files abc.h, abc.cpp and abc.ui and the second form, which has got files abc2.h, abc2.cpp and abc2.ui. They all are included in .PRO file. I want to open the second form from the first form, but I completly do not know how to do it. I tried...

I do not get the closure....

I saw 4 close votes

but there are 4 people who closed it now ...

Bart

@FinalContest Just kidding. Not an actual suggestion. :)

Final Contest

who could I see 4 close votes then before the closure? Someone retracted it?

hichris123

15:30

@FinalContest Possibly related to this, maybe? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/230018/…

Bart

@FinalContest seems like the most likely option ...

jadarnel27

BROWN is the most likely option.

Bart

Ah, because BROWN. Should have thought of that.

jadarnel27

Indeed you should have.

Bart

I'm so not worthy of BROWN. I'm like .... beige. But I try.

Vote to Close

15:32

@FinalContest yes, I retracted my close vote, and then flagged some of both your comments... It was fun!

jadarnel27

@Bart Give yourself some credit. I'd say you're a maroon, to say the least.

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Bart

I'm not a moron .... ah ...

Stijn

have a good weekend all, bye!

Vote to Close

c ya!

ProgramFOX

@Stijn see you!

Final Contest

15:37

@VotetoClose: meh, why are you flagging a critic with the answer?

I never understand what those flags are trying to achieve ...

and then people complain when they see my downvote on a post without an explanation...

Vote to Close

I only flagged 3 comments, the mod chose to delete them all, I flagged 3 of them that were not constructive

Final Contest

they were constructive.

I will write the critic back, eventually.

Vote to Close

no, talking about close reasons on SO is not constructive, that is for meta

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Final Contest

I would like to see the readers reading them in order to consider that this is not the right way of answering; despite my downvote, currently it looks like a great answer with potentially with further upvotes.

no, he asked for close reasons, and I mentioned for that specific case.

I see no problem with that, so I do not think you flag others' conversation in that sense.

I do not think any of us (Light and Me) saw any problems with that.

what you achieved now that I have to rewrite my critic.

I am not sure why critics on answers are removed, but just for the record: my downvote goes with the explanation of "do not answer IMHO close-worthy" questions. — Final Contest 31 secs ago

Andy

@FinalContest "conversation" is the key word here. SO is not for conversations

hichris123

15:42

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5221789. Ugh.

Final Contest

@Andy: you are missing the point. I do not think you have even seen the comments, so I am not sure you can say anything about it.

Andy

@FinalContest You make a lot of incorrect assumptions

Final Contest

@Andy: what was the text?

Oh for goodness's sake who flagged all the comments sigh Your downvote is preposterous, @FinalContest. Some moron removed the comments in which we were figuring this out, but the point is that this is not a close-worthy question and I explained why. Perhaps you're jealous or something. — Lightness Races in Orbit 2 mins ago

Yeah, it is clear we disagree, but I do not understand the comment removal. Coming to a disagreement can be a good outcome, too. — Final Contest 18 secs ago

@VotetoClose: please do not flag that if I may ask.

@FinalContest: I agree. Sometimes mods get over-zealous, or people who don't understand the discussion or its usefulness flag the comments and the system auto-removes them if there are sufficient flags. — Lightness Races in Orbit 1 min ago

@VotetoClose: ^

Andy

It's a conversation. It's adding noise to the question. You are asking about close votes. Take it to a private chat room or meta. If I weren't out of comment votes for the day, I'd flag both. How does either of that help the person who asked the question or the people that will visit the question a month from now?

Final Contest

if we both find it constructive, I do not understand why a third person did not...

@Andy: that question will not survive one month in the first place.

also, it is not two comments, but whatever.

I just do not get people removing opinions coming to disagreements in comments. It is pretty destructive behavior.

Andy

15:49

@FinalContest Oh, so then it's ok to have a conversation. Got it. "This question is bad, so I'll just break network standards here."

Final Contest

@Andy: what you are essentially saying do not explain your downvote; sorry I am not one of those crappy people

I literally explain every single downvote or upvote a corresponding comment.

Vote to Close

@FinalContest Just start a Meta Post about it.. then you and Light can both chime in there, as well as other people, and the votes will speak for themselves... You both had good points, and it seemed like you both were firm in your opinion.

Final Contest

meta? The place where you can downvote for free without understanding stuff? Thanks, but no thanks.

Meta is the worst place to discuss StackOverflow issues to start with.

Andy

@FinalContest That's great. How does "Yeah, it is clear we disagree, but I do not understand the comment removal. Coming to a disagreement can be a good outcome, too." explain your downvote?

Final Contest

Flag this opinion, too ;)

hichris123

15:52

@FinalContest Uhm.... where else would you discuss it?

Final Contest

@Andy: it is noting the disagreement ... which is a useful outcome.

unlike unexplained downvotes, it is clear here why the downvote is and why the OP will not change the post, and that is fine.

@hichris123: here, SO or nowhere, pretty much.

amazing, everything is removed again

SIGH

even the downvote reason, I am heading off....

Andy

@FinalContest Look though, you got an answer about why they were removed, which is exactly what we've said here.

Oded

Anyone here know what it is called when you do the exact same thing over and over again and expect different results every time?

ManishBot

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: USB 2.4GHZ WIRELESS MOUSE RECEIVER on superuser.com

user202362

random result generator or undefined behaviour (UB) ... take your pick :p

Andy

16:03

@Oded Insanity

Oded

@Andy and yet, some people keep doing that! Not naming names.

3ventic

I must be insane.

Final Contest

@Andy: well, my unexplained downvotes may not have been unexplained, but some "over-zealous" mod removed it as Light put it.

now, unexplained downvotes start making more sense ...

user202362

I never understand people's obsession with a few reps ...

Final Contest

@Andy: no, the moderator explicitly did not say what you said at all

rene

16:09

@Oded Exploratory Testing?

Final Contest

he went further, he thought everything was irrelevant, where the people said only the last two here.

anyway, calling other insane is improper for different opinions, so be my guest on my ignore list for now at least.

I do not think I have called you like that, etc.

in fact, this incident shows that people may not leave downvote reasons for this activity.... because mods will go around and remove critics anyways, so why bother with downvote reasons? That is yet another factor how the site supports unexplained downvotes.

Andy

@FinalContest I don't think you clicked the link, did you? It's a quote, attributed to Ben Franklin, Albert Einstein, Rita Mae Brown and an old Chinese proverb. Alas, I'll enjoy my time on your ignore list.

Final Contest

@chmod711telkitty: no one was talking about reps except you.

@SPArchaeologist: as you can see, mods tend to remove valid downvote reasons, too, so I am leaning towards getting in the queue of not even bothering with the explanation. It is a time waste to write a comment down that may or may not help the OP and readers and the result is removal.

Oded

@rene good one :)

ManishBot

16:27

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected: love problem solution baba ji+91-9872331318 on askubuntu.com

Scott

My SO account (1295344) has just been serial up voted. While I understand these votes will be revered, I am I right in thinking that user won't get any form of warning for doing it?

Braiam

@FinalContest that's the spirit! just downvote and don't explain the reason. You are learning, old friend ;)

user202362

Am I the only one thinking this is funny?

Bart

16:43

@chmod711telkitty Nope

@Scott If it's the system that handles it, they won't.

Scott

@Bart Ah okay thanks, I thought that was the case

Final Contest

@Braiam: will I get another downvote chance on the same answer if I do not explain it, please?

@Scott: if it is only 3, they will likely not.

@Scott: if it is over a more unreasonable threshold, that person likely will.

Bart

@FinalContest [citation needed]?

Final Contest

@Scott: in fact, Bart is the master about crazy uncaught serial upvotes. He got lots last time without the system catching it :D

Bart

There is a special condition in the code @FinalContest. It checks for my userid and then just thinks "It isn't fair, but the guy is awesome".

Final Contest

16:55

nah, the algorithm just sucks :D

Scott

@FinalContest Yeah it was 4 answers and 3 questions all very quickly, so I know it will be reversed, which obviously I am fine with. It was more about warning the user. :)

Final Contest

well, they managed to achieve unpredictable algo.

Bart

I appreciate that you mere mortals might be of that opinion @FinalContest.

Final Contest

@Scott: do not be so sure ...

Scott

@FinalContest That algorithm would have to be pretty poor then :/

hichris123

16:56

@Scott They won't be warned unless a moderator deals with it. The automated system doesn't warn anyone.

Bart

^as I said

Final Contest

@Scott, well, it is pretty poor in my experience.

Bart

The problem with that is that none of us have the actual evidence to establish that.

Final Contest

the limit is three, sometimes, and that is probably about it.

Scott

Thanks guys - I'll wait until tomorrow to see how it goes. Cheers

Final Contest

16:58

@Scott: do not forget to notify me about it please :D

I need more results into my empirical approach

btw, it is not necessary tomorrow

sometimes they are reversed in two days

sometimes even later... I would say, you never know.

Bart

If the system reverses it, it's at 3am UTC afaik

Scott

@FinalContest As long as it doesn't reverse just after I make it to 10K :)

hichris123

@Bart yup.

> I don't like stackoverflow being all up in my face everytime. It's the top result on pretty much every search I do. I feel I'm missing on better / more detailed information.

rofl

Final Contest

@Bart: how do you know that?

Bart

Wasting my life @FinalContest.

Hang around on the various metas and you pick up a thing or two :)

Final Contest

17:00

@Bart: how do you know it is not manual at times?

hichris123

246

Q: What is serial voting and how does it affect me?

I just noticed that I lost a bunch of points from my reputation score on Stack Overflow, and I used the "reputation" tab on my user profile page to try and track down the cause. During my investigation, I noticed there was an unusual event of type "reversal". In the normal place of a question ti...

support faq reputation voting serial-voting

Final Contest

"Every night around 03:00 UTC," -> Wrong.

that is just plain wrong ;)

Bart

Sure it can be manual at times @FinalContest. Serial upvotes I have received previously have been reversed by balpha for example. But the automated system is at 3am UTC

hichris123

@FinalContest That's... not wrong at all.

The script runs at 3:00 UTC.

Final Contest

@Bart: except when not as the practice shows.

Bart

17:02

That's your assumption @FinalContest. You don't have enough data to be certain it counts as serial upvoting.

Final Contest

@Bart: you do not get it

it is serial upvoting since it is reversed, but sometimes it was two days later

hichris123

That usually doesn't happen unless you get another upvote or something like that.

Bart

Then that's more than likely not the automated system, but triggered by another event. Or some glitch happened causing the task not to finalize previously.

Hiccups happen

Final Contest

or the algorithm works like that, or it has a bug, etc.

the only thing I can say is that it is completely unpredictable :D

anyway, it is an obscurity for security algorithm

Braiam

17:17

@Scott no meta.stackexchange.com/a/49666/213575

GnomeSlice

Today's Listening | indie/electronic/experimental

Braiam

@GnomeSlice apparently you didn't went MIA

GnomeSlice

Nope, I'm all moved in now.

Moved in a couple days ago.

rene

17:32

I hate it when users accept an answer from Nick Craver because Nick Craver

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Final Contest

17:44

@rene: come on, so is objective. :D

rene

@FinalContest Thanks for the moral support ;-)

Final Contest

well, it seems Germany is in the semi-final.

rene

NOOOOO, we don't want another 1974... hopefully we fix that tomorrow...

user163250

18:22

cv-pls recommendation stackoverflow.com/questions/6431133/…

user163250

cv-pls recommendation stackoverflow.com/questions/22129251/…

rene

done

user163250

Thank you!

Vote to Close

done

user163250

Gracias!

Vote to Close

18:35

dogs can fly @Undo

Undo

That they can. Especially when joining chatrooms.

Vote to Close

or when you throw them off a cliff

Undo

.. or that :P

Vote to Close

I wouldn't do that :/ I saw a mountain man on tv throw dead puppies in the ocean though, it was sad.

Braiam

@Cupcake I would close that as no repro since OP just stopped using the piece of code that produced the issue.

Undo

18:41

@VotetoClose :(

Vote to Close

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24579380/…

user163250

> The questions are:
>
> * how can I fix this problem (even xerces for android didn't work for me)
> * or is there any other working library which does the same?

Braiam

@VotetoClose another reason to remove the [web] tag

user163250

I voted to close because of that last line, which actually did pick up a recommendation, but pick your poison.

user163250

18:53

Your Common Sense doesn't have his MSE account suspended like his SO one:

user163250

1

Q: Why people feel no shame nowadays?

Examples provided in this question are rather belong to meta@stackoverflow, as to comprehend them some programming knowledge is required. But, due to obvious reasons, I cannot post there - so, here is the only place where I can ask. After all, it's about people, not programming. So, why people f...

discussion

rene

Nope...

user163250

The title alone is hilarious. He would post something like that.

user163250

I didn't realize that you can still ask and answer questions while suspended, though I guess it makes sense, still a "1 rep" user.

user163250

Or wait...

rene

18:56

I think that was a feature due to the split?

user163250

I was looking at one of his answers on SO, but it's dated June 17th, so maybe that was before the suspension.

Vote to Close

@Cupcake ? he only has SO suspension, which includes the meta site SO. He doesn't have a network wide suspension.

Bart

^ that

Undo

@Cupcake I bet he got suspended June 20

looks like a year-long suspension to me, although I have zero inside info.

Bart

Yeah, year long.

Glad to see that all the problems are caused by @TimPost though. Makes it far easier to solve.

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Undo

19:02

@Bart A Post is not a Stone, last time I checked.

Unless it's a Stone Post.

oops

Bart

What @Undo? .... ninja-edit completed

Undo

hehe

Vote to Close

chat.meta.stackexchange.com/messages/2165155/history

Bart

MUWAHAHAHA

user163250

YCS got shut down by Laura.

user163250

19:06

He's posted so many things like that.

user163250

You'd think he'd learn to take the non-attack approach by now :P

user163250

Maybe it's a language issue.

Undo

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/52070/…

^ Anyone wanna commit to a Moderators site?

Because that would make you awesome

Vote to Close

what if I'm not an official moderator anywhere?

user163250

I've noticed that non-native English speakers sometimes have trouble with tactful discussions, because they lack the experience to craft subtle, nuanced messages in English.

Undo

19:10

@VotetoClose Then you can still contribute common sense, a lot of that is needed.

And we're kinda all moderators.

Every with > 15 rep ;)

Final Contest

@Cupcake: what is wrong about that title?

Bart

@Cupcake Nah. At most it's an empathy issue.

Braiam

@Undo too late

user163250

@FinalContest there is nothing "wrong" with the title, I just find it funny because it's the kind of thing that YCS would typically say.

Final Contest

@Cupcake: well, he is harsh, but right.

Bart

19:14

The only problem is that he lacks any goal-orientation. Unless "venting" is his goal.

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Final Contest

@Bart: you say the same for me.

Bart

Not at all @FinalContest. I actually find YCS to have good ideas every now and then. :p

Final Contest

I am with gnat here. It is a pity that experts are punished for being "Not OK" towards the people YCS mentions in his post. I have got two comments on such poor posts removed today by claiming "off-topic" whereas I just explained the downvote reason. Even the OP did not think it off-topic in the case where I got a reply. It is unreasonable how these things go IMHO, and would require a major surgery. — Final Contest 2 mins ago

@Cupcake: thanks for bringing attention to this post.

hichris123

@Bart It's just usually he doesn't address it in a constructive way. (YCS)

Final Contest

@hichris123: nonsense

Bart

19:23

That's what I meant with being "goal oriented" @hichris123 . Either you set out to discuss an issue with the hopes to resolve it, or you vent. The former requires a slight adjustment, the latter ... well, is on display I guess.

Final Contest

I told it in a constructive way why I downvoted the OP and it was removed. I do not think it matters in any way whether things are constructive or not. I think what matters if the moderators agree and/or can argue about being non-constructive, but in the end what matters really is if they agree or not.

what is worse, once I vote for a moderator, it does not come back after a period, and that is why I will never vote again.

I cannot really modify my vote anymore.

Bart

@FinalContest what?

hichris123

@Bart I think he means that the mods don't get put up for vote every year or so.

Which I wouldn't want, because if there's a problem, meta's the place. not an election.

Final Contest

meta is not the place.

Bart

Meh, too much hassle. And users seem to attribute far more power and responsibility to moderators than they actually have.

Final Contest

19:26

you need to realize what the moderators and site owners want will happen

the whole "community decision" is complete yada-yada

once I give my vote, I cannot modify that anymore.

Andy

@Undo Is that for moderating a community or building a community (or both0? Both sound interesting, but the questions seem to cover both aspects.

Final Contest

that is such a non-democratic process to which I will not participate anymore.

hichris123

@FinalContest Yes, it actually is. Sure, you may get a smaller percentage of the users - but it's the users who want to change something.

Undo

@Andy I think it's mostly for moderating existing communities, but that's really tied in tight to building communities. So both are probably on-topic.

Bart

@FinalContest you don't think the actual problem is that you're confusing what you want to happen with what the community wants to happen? And thereby mods/employees/meta are wrong/evil/whatever ...

Final Contest

19:29

@Bart: I do not. There are many meta threads where moderators were voted down to the hell.

yet, nothing has changed because the site owners did not give green lights, nor will they, anyway, and the thing is as always, in deep mess.

Vote to Close

the community has wanted changes to the close system for some time now, and the employees seemed to of fought it for a long time, but they finally have been making changes and looks like they plan to make more.

Final Contest

number of clear case threads with highly upvoted proposals not going anywhere... even they admitted it is not democratic anyway, so there is no room for debating that.

Bart

The site changes continuously @FinalContest. Not broad sweeping changes, but gradual, well thought out change. And like it or not, but the community gets it wrong all the time. Doesn't mean the employees get it right, nor do moderators, but getting the site to work as well as it does is quite the effort. And change isn't nearly as easy as many make it seem to be.

Final Contest

Anyway, I will not vote for moderators anymore because it is binding and I cannot change my mind later when I see their activities.

Vote to Close

they have other considerations though, like actual MONEY costs, business reasons, etc... also, democracy is not really a good form of government.. democracy means that 51% of the people can make the other 49% their servants

Bart

19:32

Not voting is a valid action @FinalContest. If you're not sure, don't vote.

Andy

@Undo Cool.

Final Contest

it is like saying politicians will change because of the demonstration... no, they will not, they will laugh at you. They will get into deep mess when they would need to get themselves re-elected.

hichris123

@FinalContest Moderators are not evil. People don't change when they become a moderator. Look at what they've done in the past.

Bart

Except for @Undo @hichris123 ... he changed man. He changed.

Undo

laughs evily

wait really?

hichris123

19:34

"he" - are you saying that I'm a sock of Undo's, @Bart?

Bart

This is MSE. We are all each other's socks. And we're smelly.

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Vote to Close

@Bart that's probably because he may be going through puberty

hichris123

@Bart no, it's mSE. MSE is Mathematics. ;P

Bart

That would explain the facial hair I see in his avatar @VotetoClose

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Vote to Close

indeed

The @Bart wall is back!

Bart

19:39

One of these days you guys should really get a star wall as well. I love that feature. Don't know why you guys don't use it.

ManishBot

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: OUTWIT HUB DIV ID PROBLEMS on superuser.com

Bart

And in other news, I just replaced the broken LCD panel of my Nexus 7. Stuff actually still is repairable these days. Who knew.

user163250

20:09

cv-pls unclear stackoverflow.com/questions/24513734/…

random

20:23

@Cupcake They want foo.txt to only exist in master, and bar.txt to only exist in develop, but the question is a duplicate still

Final Contest

@Cupcake: that is a duplicate, not unclear :)

Michael Petrotta

Hyperacusis

Hyperacusis (also spelled hyperacousis) is a health condition characterized by an over-sensitivity to certain frequency and volume ranges of sound (a collapsed tolerance to usual environmental sound). A person with severe hyperacusis has difficulty tolerating everyday sounds, some of which may seem unpleasantly or painfully loud to that person but not to others. It can be acquired as a result of damage sustained to the hearing apparatus, or inner ear. There is speculation that the efferent portion of the auditory nerve (olivocochlear bundle) has been affected (efferent meaning fibers that...

I now think I have this.

Final Contest

go to a doctor.

Michael Petrotta

Summer. Window open. SOMEONE NEEDS TO CHANGE THEIR SMOKE DETECTOR BATTERY

A brain doctor?

Final Contest

well, you could start with the GP.

Michael Petrotta

20:30

I'm curious what you think they could do for me.

user163250

20:49

@random I wasn't sure if by "I want to have different files in my development branch, than the ones in my master branch." the OP meant that he only wanted the contents of the files to be different, which is why it was unclear to me. But thanks for the duplicate find.

Final Contest

@MichaelPetrotta: tell them you need candy.

Shadow Wizard

Prepare to laugh your a$$ off, guys!

@ShadowWizard oops, that was unintentional. Apparently Cloud To Butt Plus works in textareas. :( — rightfold 1 min ago

it caused an unintentional edit from microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/windows-server to microsoft.com/en-us/server-butt/windows-server in meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10369/…

Bart

Hahaha

Instant clbuttic

user163250

21:06

Undelete please stackoverflow.com/questions/24580555/…

user163250

I was in the middle of answering that guy's question and he deleted it.

Bart

So?

He must have had his reasons

user163250

...ok :/

Bart

And it's rather poorly phrased. Or, well, not phrased at all

rene

Those Dutch users ....

Bart

21:12

They should practically all just be suspended

hichris123

This question appears to be off-topic because it is requesting code translation. — rmaddy 44 secs ago

Bart

Oh boy. Click the link. No really, click the link in that question.

rene

ROFLOL

Braiam

wow... folks left

> Even though this question is horribly off-topic, it didn't occur to you to actually include the code rather than to post a screenshot of it? — Bart 1 min ago

user163250

@Bart WOW

user163250

21:23

Maybe it was trolling?

Braiam

why don't starred comment appear like text instead of a link... sigh

user163250

> There are screenshots, and then there are screen shots.

user163250

> I think you forgot to specify your starting price. This stuff doesn't happen for free.

user163250

Duplicate cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/24580555/…

user163250

This is why I need Mjolnir.

Michael Petrotta

21:30

Getting awful close with git, @Cupcake.

user163250

So close, yet still so far away :P

user163250

I need to work on finding a really good problem to solve.

user163250

Then maybe I'll get upvotes in the tens instead of the < 10s that I usually get :P

Bart

Wait, I'm confused. You wanted it reopened so you could answer it. You did that. And now it's a duplicate?

user163250

I suppose I should've just closed it as a duplicate first :/

user163250

21:32

The OP got an answer though, either way.

Bart

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user163250

21:46

Duplicate cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/17846529/…

user163250

This should be the canonical stackoverflow.com/questions/4083079/…

user163250

Also duplicate cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/17695337/…

user163250

I tried to close these a long time ago but my votes expired.

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