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8:06 PM
does that inherit Class Maybe?
 
Throws a NoException?
 
8:28 PM
what does the php thingie do in the c++ thingie?
my god, question mark contest: stackoverflow.com/questions/23350600/…
 
@Doorknob Our mSE rep is only 1 apart :D
 
@LaszloPapp caching
 
I do not understand the typo close reason
what is the point of it?
it is not something that can be improved into a non-typo, so why not either delete or do not close?
 
downvotes @Undo :P
 
@Braiam: yes, I thought so, too, but it was after a while.
 
8:40 PM
@LaszloPapp You can't delete without closing.
 
@Doorknob: that is not the point... why is it not automatic delete or not closure?
 
@LaszloPapp What do you mean? Only mods can delete a non-closed post.
 
it is not really relevant to mods, but it was closed by a mod in this case, anyhow.
I do not see the point of typo closure.
typo delete or keep it around, but closure when surely does not come back if you close it?
 
The point is to make the delete button available.
 
that is needless overhead
there could be a delete option for that right away.
 
8:43 PM
No, because a non-closed post can't be deleted.
 
you are too limited by thinking about the current system
I am talking about a system which I think how it should work, i.e. not with the limitation of the current.
 
Well, that would require a special case just for SO, which IMO is pointless considering that the current system works well already.
 
I am saying that IMHO, either delete option for it (e.g. automated deletion for close) or nothing.
 
votes on all candidates on SU mod election
 
reports @Doorknob for serial election voting
 
8:45 PM
hah, I like the reasoning of "the current system works well already" when people just bring up concerns. Concerns are not brought up because everything is alright.
 
Are "canidates" some sort of dogs?
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rotfl
:D
 
@Louis Umm... what are you talking about? You see, I'm perfect and I would never make a typo. :D
(ignore the revision history it lies)
 
Newton's long-lost 4th law:
 
@LaszloPapp The point is that the benefits to adding a special case just for SO are... not very much
 
8:47 PM
> Doorknobs are perfect and never make mistakes.
> A doorknob in a tavern tends to continue being in a tavern unless acted upon by homework.
^ 5th law
 
:D
 
@Doorknob: huh?
 
@LaszloPapp Special-casing just for one specific reason on one specific site is pointless if it's not going to make much of a difference anyway.
 
there are many questions closed as typo (hence the close reason in the first place), and they are all needlessly in-limbo state for 2 days usually, and then people can start casting again with the same end goal. It seems completel superfluous.
it will make a huge difference
the overhead of micro-managing the same thing twice at least by 3-5 people for many posts is needlessly unreasonable.
 
By that logic, all other close reasons should insta-delete too because they "are all needlessly in-limbo state for 2 days usually."
 
8:50 PM
I always laugh at these "special casing" artificial concerns when it is pretty much one if statement with already existing function called then.
 
... do you even program?
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... okay, that's clearly not how closing questions on SE works. Be realistic.
 
It's never one if statement.
And with that, I leave. Cya!
 
no, other statuses are explicitly not auto-deletable.
 
@LaszloPapp wow, that's... such bullshit
Closing is probably the single best example of the problems caused by small incremental increases in complexity
 
8:51 PM
that is the whole point, a typo cannot possibly come back.
 
It started out so very, very simple...
A state that any trusted user could apply or remove from a question
 
Shog9: you are on ignore fwiw.
 
@LaszloPapp ... so you saw that message how?
@Shog9 That's... a more, umm, direct way of stating the fact
 
@Doorknob I've spent entirely too much time over the past couple of years trying to deal with the insane amounts of complexity associated with closing. If @Laszlo wants to criticize a system he clearly has no understanding of nor interest in learning about, he can go somewhere else to do it.
 
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8:54 PM
@Shog9 Uh, yeah, sounds... painful -_- is glad that he does not have to manage hundreds of thousands of users' complaints and feedback
 
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@mmyers I learn something every day, but in my mind's ear "canidates" still sounds like it is somehow related to canidae.
 
@LaszloPapp ignoring staff for SE while bitching about SE ... priceless
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It's weird being in a room where my name's not blue...
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@hichris123 close voting as long as it lasts...
 
9:01 PM
@rene Meetup?
 
yep
 
unavailable for this one as of now.
Might be able to join a little later.
 
Ok
 
I have stuff to do
Is there a schedule?
 
schedule = Doorknob.schedule.find_all_by_conflict(true)
 
Ok, maybe I'll do one later
 
cool
 
@ChrisF Your name isn't blue. It's ChrisF .... Are you okay?
 
@Bart Ha, ha.
"coloured blue" - happy now?
 
@ChrisF complains about alternate spelling even though both are perfectly fine
 
9:07 PM
Phew. Yeah, just looking out for you. Who knows what effect this network is having on you after all these years @ChrisF.
 
9:19 PM
@ChrisF - I don't really notice too much until someone says something flag worthy and I notice my tools aren't there, and then I look at my computer confused for a few seconds
 
Someone with a final vote here: stackoverflow.com/questions/18638474/…
 
9:31 PM
@Shog9 I did not see my comments as off topics because topic was designed to what is going on with down-votes and how to handle those especially when answer or a question as a matter of fact is not warranted down-votes.
 
@AllBlond I suspect we may have been talking past each other. It sounded to me like your concern was voting rather than commenting, specifically voting on identical answers.
 
@Shog9 That was my concern because there was obviouse somekind of agreement exist between groups to support each other while suppressing anybody outside of that group.
 
@Shog9 I seen posted answers, good one by the way, got flagged or just disappearing because author decided, or someone for them, that it is not worth of loosing reputation to keep it there while answer identical remains and gains reputations.
Sorry I am at work, gotta go. Nice chatting even do it just a chat and will not do any good in long run.
 
@AllBlond this does happen. The SO mods and I cleaned up probably a dozen or more accounts this morning that were engaged in this sort of behavior. It is considered fraud, and is grounds for account deletion when detected.
@AllBlond Stop in any time; if I'm not here, bug @Undo - he's always here for some reason
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9:41 PM
rofl
 
Tadaaa
 
So I've been appointed official Shog-replacement-for-semipointless-things? Awesome.
 
What's new?
 
Ooh, anyone else get a runtime error on MSO?
 
Woah. Just got "Server Error in '/' Application" on MSE.
 
9:46 PM
check
Did you break it @Bart?
 
> An exception occurred while processing your request. Additionally, another exception occurred while executing the custom error page for the first exception. The request has been terminated.
 
I might have flagged something @rene ...
 
Eeek!
 
Yeah, that's an Eeeeeeek
 
... and I was just going to look on SO for something... :(
 
9:47 PM
Someone missed a parenthesis.
 
 
Back up.
 
Can't believe that's coming in handy twice in one evening.
 
Much better. :D
 
#stackexchange is down EVERYBODY PANIC
goes back to homework
Oh, that was quick.
 
9:48 PM
but so dull
We want lolcats!
 
and we have an mse post...
 
Shog leaves @Undo in charge for only a second ....
 
@rene Feel free to down-vote and vote to close
Too late
 
And gone
Poor guy
 
why yes, we sure do YSOD on routine maintenance.
 
9:51 PM
Ah, a regular pre production test
 
@AnnaLear it was hardly yellow
No stack trace! What a shame. :D
 
@ShadowWizard quick, post a bug report about it being the wrong colour. ;)
 
@AnnaLear off topic for SE, might do on Microsoft forums! :P
 
@ShadowWizard Not if you add that it hurt your eyes.
 
@ChrisF It is back and I flagged it..
 
9:53 PM
And gone again
 
@Anna any chance to get some juicy details what happened?
We just love details around here. Right, guys? :D
 
@ShadowWizard We accidentally a bad value in a site setting.
 
Names! We want names!
 
@Bart obviously when Anna use "We" she means herself ;)
 
Ah, majestic plural ... how fitting.
 
9:56 PM
@AnnaLear that's nasty! Glad you caught it quickly :)
 
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@ShadowWizard Not this time. :)
 
Wait ... why is @jeremybanks bot silently watching us?
 
@AnnaLear oh well, guess you've already told us top secret information ;)
@Bart question is why it joined the room? Anyone can watch any room without joining it.
 
.... my panic gif might come in handy once again @ShadowWizard
 
@Bart yep! On a happier note, a bounty well spent - kudos!
 
10:05 PM
Yep, I noticed. Yay!
 
@Bart just don't forget to award the bounty tomorrow, lol
 
If I happen to be suspended, you know what happened.
Please do post a "Do we really need to suspend users until 3014?" on my behalf.
 
@Bart nah, they can't suspend you. The Tavern won't survive!
 
And let's admit it, this is the foundation of the network.
 
@Bart this is the ground where unicorns grow and eat, and we all know what will happen to SE without unicorns.
Anyway, if they suspend you, it will be until 23:59:59.9999999, December 31, 9999, exactly one 100-nanosecond tick before 00:00:00, January 1, 10000
(which is of course, DateTime.MaxValue) ;)
 
10:12 PM
Always good to know there will be a chance for me to return.
 
Wait a minute.
Something is very wrong.
This is... terrible.
There are zero starred messages by @Bart currently on the starboard.
 
we've secretly replaced Doornob's starred Bart messages with Folger's Crystals and a live bobcat...
 
... even worse, @Bart hasn't flagged anything recently!
 
And on that depressing note, I'll go and cry myself to sleep, trying to comfort myself by looking at my Jon Skeet motivational poster. .... those abs ....
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status-not-anymore
 
10:16 PM
Haha. Ah well, cya :)
 
status-world-now-in-balance-again
 
@Bart cya!
 
@ShadowWizard Well, you need rep to be a bot. :P
 
@hichris123 I surely hope he'll rename to something more meaningful or less dull when reaching 20 reps needed to start posting here :)
Seeing "bot" posting spam warnings (or whatever its goal is) would be depressing
 
10:20 PM
... okay, hi @bot?
8 hours ago, by Pops
So you ADMIT to stealing another user's credentials!
@Shadow ^ Who was it? :P
 
Anonymous
@ShadowWizard It's not even going to be used in this chat room, don't worry.
 
@hichris123 not telling! :D (unless you give me 1000000 unicoins)
@JeremyBanks that's a relief! (j/k - bots are welcome here, like any other being sentient or biological :))
 
Anonymous
@ShadowWizard I always knew this was an open and welcoming community. :P
 
Anonymous
It doesn't have a meaningful name here because its only purpose here is to test that the chat library works on MSE chat, and it'll do that in the sandbox.
 
@hichris123 by the way, you just pinged my sock as well. ;(
 
10:26 PM
I did? :P
 
@hichris123 oops, you didn't since the chat moved. Just a sec...
 
OK, now any @Shadow will ping me as well!
 
I wonder which @Shadow I'm referring to
 
Both of us
 
It only highlights SOTS though
 
10:28 PM
Like @Tim pings both Tim Stone and Tim Post
:evil grin:
 
So @hic pings both @hichris123 and @hiccuppingman? :P
 
rofl
 
@Doorknob only if hiccuppingma was recently active in chat, yep
Chrome F12 --> Network tab --> please check what request is being stuck, maybe it'll shed some light over what's going on. Might be something blocked on your end. — Shadow Wizard 9 hours ago
@hichris123 ^
Cya guys, girls, bots, and unicorns!
 
cya
 
@ShadowWizard ... wut?
Cya.
Oh, duh.
Nvm. :P
 
10:33 PM
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A: TaxCloud causing sales tax to be computed twice during order emails in ZenCart

TaxCloud Supportthe question is, why does your zencart see more than one $order_totals?

This is weird. Note the author
 
@Doorknob At one point there were 4 Michaels regularly active in the moderator room, which is why I went back to mmyers
Even "@MichaelM" wasn't specific enough
 
Which one did that conflict with, @mmyers?
 
@Undo Mrozek
 
Oh, right
 
2 hours and I'm the first close vote on this thing. :-\
@AnnaLear OMG! It is true that you grant wishes!!!
 
10:44 PM
Accurate.
 
Little-known fact: everyone grants wishes if you rub them the right way (you may have to wait for a genie to pop out).
 
@Shog9 I want a unicorn!
rubs
 
o.O
 
@Braiam You might want to use some lubricant to avoid chafing. Seems it's gonna take a while.
 
O_o
 
10:58 PM
THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO RUB ME
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... well this is awkward
Luckily, I have a lock.
 
@Braiam TMI
 
11:33 PM
@ShadowWizard shakes fist
 
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