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Shadow Wizard

00:00

@hichris123 "The null that hates me" first ;)

hichris123

@ShadowWizard Hey, two different people, both Nick and Max can write them.

Tim Stone

@ShadowWizard Is that the sequel to "My Double-Encoded Life"?

Shadow Wizard

@hichris123 yup, Stack Exchange can start new venue: book publishing :D

hichris123

@ShadowWizard Ebooks

Shadow Wizard

@TimStone nope, prequel ;)

Let's all wish Nick the best of luck nuking this nasty bug, now that he finally hunted it down! :)

jmac

00:10

Very Serious Question: Is there a Biography of Stack Exchange (the Questions, the Answers, the Legend)? I am really curious to see if there is anyone who's actually gone about looking at the history of its development, what the goals where, how the developers felt they accomplished them along the way, and what goals shifted in transit.

Undo

Heh, good idea

jmac

Has Shog always been an SO employee? I keep coming across posts from '09 and '10 by him that seem to suggest (from the writing style) that he wasn't. It's so odd.

Undo

looks for hiring post

jmac

Additional question, is it possible to get access to stats showing where traffic is coming from? (specifically, intra-SE network vs. from outside)?

Shadow Wizard

@jmac in a nutshell, from what I know, it all started from one single blog by Jeff, who is a programmer. He joined forces with Joel, who know how to sell things and the rest is history

Undo

00:15

Blog - Stack Exchange: Welcome Valued Associate Josh Heyer

Jeff Atwood on March 24, 2011

Our community team has been growing by leaps and bounds:

Robert Cartaino — Palm Bay FL — Apr 19, 2010 Rebecca Chernoff — St. Louis MO — Jan 4, 2011 Dori Smith — Healdsburg CA — Feb 25, 2011

Rebecca Chernoff — St. Louis MO — Jan 4, 2011 Dori Smith — Healdsburg CA — Feb 25, 2011

Dori Smith — Healdsburg CA — Feb 25, 2011

We’re serious about building community — and that means having a full time team dedicated to you. The community team’s role is to participate deeply on our network of Q&A sites and help fig …

@jmac ^

Since only 2011, it looks like

@jmac Yes. By getting a diamond.

Shadow Wizard

Rebecca and Dori didn't make it though :(

jmac

@ShadowWizard Yeah, I've read the early blogs and read the podcast and all that jazz. But that's all from the people actually doing it, which is why I think it would be interesting to have a third-person perspective.

Undo

:(

@ShadowWizard Aarthi didn't either ;( But she's not on that list.

Shadow Wizard

@jmac something worth Googling! :)

jmac

@Undo Well then. Okay. Am I allowed to ask the mod of my site whether or not he can share that info? Or is that going to be one of those no-nos that nobody is allowed to discuss due to the mod agreement?

Is asking if it's a no-no due to the mod agreement a no-no due to the mod agreement? (head asplodes)

Undo

00:18

@jmac I've tried asking one mod that I know particularly well and he won't give me screenshots or anything like that, but you should be able to ask specific, pointed questions (like what's the growth rate over the past two weeks in visits/day), and they can answer.

jmac

Was Shog the first employee from Colorado? It seems like they have several members there.

hichris123

@Undo Why does that onebox show the CM's name's twice?

jmac

@Undo Thanks, I'll do that then.

Undo

@hichris123 Heh, don't know

hichris123

Weird.

animuson

00:20

Obviously the onebox doesn't know how to handle lists.

Undo

We should teach it!

hichris123

Quick, find another thing with bullets at the top!

Blog - Stack Exchange: Podcast #54 – The One With All The Anachronisms

Alex Miller on November 14, 2013

Welcome to Stack Exchange Podcast #54, with special guest Sara J. Chipps! Joining us today also is CFO Michael Pryor. Your hosts as usual are Jay Hanlon, David Fullerton, and Joel Spolsky. Today’s episode is brought to you by /r/husky!

We’ll start out with Site Milestones. We have one: Ham Radio will be in public beta by the time this podcast goes live. Turns out there are tons of ham radio enthusiasts even today. Ham!

New Features The big thing we’re currently working on is the new topbar. It hasn’t changed in years… until now! David walks us through the new featu …

Shadow Wizard

@Undo eh, while looking when Aarthi was hired I stumbled over this ex-CM

HedgeMage, Indianapolis, IN

1k 3 10

Undo

@ShadowWizard Huh wha?

You sure?

Tim Stone

Yes

Shadow Wizard

00:22

Blog - Stack Exchange: Welcome Valued Associate Susan Stewart

Robert Cartaino on June 21, 2011

Stack Exchange is starting to look like a Ponzi scheme. You start by creating the world’s largest Q&A site for programming, from which you find and hire of the best programmers on the planet to work on expanding our network, so we can attract and hire from the best community of users, bar none.

That’s why it was quite the coup when Susan Stewart was looking for a new career path. You may know Susan as HedgeMage, moderator of the Parenting Stack Exchange:

Susan is now donning the title of Community Manager on our Stack Exchange team. Welcome, Susan! …

Undo

Huh. Never would have guessed

Shadow Wizard

wow

that's a cool flair!

hichris123

@Undo My cronjob works! :P

Undo

@hichris123 Yay!

animuson

They cache the cached flair?

Shadow Wizard

00:23

@animuson sure, the cache caches the cache

hichris123

@animuson What if they cache the onebox so they cache the cache of the flair?

Undo

What kind of flair is that?

animuson

Stop! You're going to make the Internet break!

hichris123

@Undo Now I just need something to make pretty graphs...

Undo

Four badge types?

@hichris123 Oooh, I know how to do that.

hichris123

00:24

That's why I asked. :P

Undo

@hichris123 highcharts.com

jmac

@hichris123 google-visualization

animuson

@Undo Apparently the old flair listed the number of diamonds you had.

Undo

@animuson wierd

Tim Stone

@animuson That or it's StackFlair flair.

hichris123

00:25

@Undo I notice you spelled weird... weirdly. :P

Undo

status-bydesign-kinda

Tim Stone

Which I think is more likely because flair didn't used to show beta sites or something.

I dunno. shrugs

It's an excuse to blame @RebeccaChernoff.

animuson

claps

Proof that there's no getting off the Wheel of Blame.

Shadow Wizard

@TimStone you two seem to have quite a history, isn't it? :)

Tim Stone

I've been causing her trouble for years, it's true.

hichris123

00:28

@Undo Is there an easy tutorial for that? Me no understand JS. :P

Undo

@hichris123 Yeah, namely me giving you some working code. But not right now, because I have to get something done :P

jmac

@hichris123 Telling you, google visualization is way way way better. You can see code samples on the google playground. And it is awesome.

hichris123

:P Well, me has work to do to too. :P

@jmac Heh. I'll look at it.

jmac

(plus I actually know how to use it, which is my bias, I don't know how to work high charts, only Excel and Google Visualization)

Shadow Wizard

@TimStone most likely StackFlair, is it still alive?

hmm...

jmac

00:34

For the love of subtle gradients... Those are gradients right?

Tim Stone

@ShadowWizard No :(

Undo

@ShadowWizard What the heck?

jmac

It is a gradient. I knew my eyes weren't lying to me.

Undo

We aren't getting a new logo, are we? :P

Whew

stackoverflow.com is still the good old logo

jmac

@Undo That is from the original logo contest

Undo

00:39

Oh

hichris123

@jmac What do google visualization graphs look like?

jmac

@hichris123 Check the playground link above: code.google.com/apis/ajax/playground/…

there are a bunch of different types, and they allow a fair bit of customization

hichris123

It just gives me a blank code & api window.

jmac

Really?

You don't get a sample graph below?

hichris123

^ That's what I get @jmac.

jmac

00:53

Okay, hold on a sec, let me find some samples for you

area chart

line chart

hichris123

Hmm, interesting. So do you have to do API calls?

jmac

annotations

yeah, it's pretty simple to do the API calls though

(If I can do it, anyone can)

hichris123

:P

jmac

Take a look at google-visualization to see some code. here is a sample answer.

It's basically just define data, set options, draw chart.

hichris123

Oh, you want to see something cool? 54.236.239.138/close.csv

That's why I want to make a chart.

jmac

00:57

I probably won't be able to access that due to web filters.

hichris123

It's the number of q's in the CV queue on SO.

jmac

Yep.

hichris123

@jmac What do you mean?

jmac

Unknown IP addresses are blocked by my proxy server.

hichris123

Heh.

Would it work if I hosted it on S3?

jmac

00:59

why not dump it in the formatting sandbox as plain text?

or is it that big?

hichris123

Here, try this s3.amazonaws.com/php_html/close+(13).csv

jmac

that worked

thanks

hichris123

I love AWS. :P

jmac

You could have just dumped that as a fixed code block in here y'know:
2014/1/22 0:05	108,763
2014/1/22 0:07	108,763
2014/1/22 0:08	108,768
2014/1/22 0:08	108,768
2014/1/22 0:20	108,772
2014/1/22 0:25	108,772
2014/1/22 0:30	108,772
2014/1/22 0:35	108,774
2014/1/22 0:40	108,780
2014/1/22 0:45	108,783
2014/1/22 0:50	108,790
2014/1/22 0:55	108,789

hichris123

Me was too lazy. :P

And I wasn't sure how much data was in it.

@jmac So would that be easy to create a graph of?

jmac

01:02

Yes

give me 3 secs

hichris123

Why isn't this question destroyed? The user was destroyed:

0

Q: Should I complete c++ first?

I am new at stackoverflow.I am an IT student currently pursuing my Bsc(IT) . I have found ethical hacking as suitable job for me since I am interested in security stuffs. After researching Internet I found out that most of the people are suggesting python as the first language for pen testing. Bu...

python c++

@jmac Okay, I gotta go, so just ping me with it. Cya!

JoshC

Has anyone seen: "Our system has identified this post as possible spam; please review carefully"

When reviewing items in the queues?

is that new or something? The review was an audit.

jmac

Let me guess @Joel, you came to answer this question‌:

1 hour ago, by jmac

Very Serious Question: Is there a Biography of Stack Exchange (the Questions, the Answers, the Legend)? I am really curious to see if there is anyone who's actually gone about looking at the history of its development, what the goals where, how the developers felt they accomplished them along the way, and what goals shifted in transit.

@hichris123 I lied -- your data is all within 50 minutes which is tough for the charts to handle without a lot of finagling. I can do it easily as strings. Once you have more info (a day or a week), it can be finagled to work as dates.

GnomeSlice

01:46

gemsfromstackexchange.tumblr.com

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hichris123

@jmac Can you automate that? (Just looking at options right now)

Heh, I'm probably going to put together 2 pages, to see which is prettier. :P

jmac

@hichris123 I assume so. You can dynamically grab the data assuming it gets updated in another file just by reading the contents of the file. Or it can read from a google spreadsheet with a query. Or it can do a query to a database if such is your desire. If JS can access the data, then it can be automated.

hichris123

@jmac Oooh, I should just do an UPDATE query to my MySQL database. :P

jmac

@hichris123 here are the docs for queries in google viz

hichris123

@jmac So why's it tough for the charts to handle?

jmac

01:52

@hichris123 Because usually you don't just have 50 minutes of data in a chart. I mean, I could fiddle with the options to make it look proper, but I don't think that's your common use case, and that you have a lot more data you want to chart, so I just changed it to string to display for a sample.

jadarnel27

@GnomeSlice Haha, is that yours?

GnomeSlice

@jadarnel27 Sadly, no.

I just submitted a few things to it though

jadarnel27

Made me chuckle =)

How'd the interview go for that job, @GnomeSlice?

hichris123

looks to see what questions/answer are there

@jmac Ah, that makes sense.

jadarnel27

Today's xkcd is excellent.

hichris123

01:55

@jadarnel27 Well, onebox please?

jmac

@hichris123 If you look at R0 of that jsfiddle I linked, it should have the data as dates (it just doesn't plot the line)

hichris123

@jmac R0?

jmac

@hichris123 Revision 0. But it had a few errors. this is what it looks like with times, only non-finagled

(jsfiddle has revision control, so if it says /1/ that means it's the first revision, and removing that will show you what the original code was)

hichris123

@jmac Ah, okay. I don't usually use JSfilddle, as I don't really know JS at all. :P

jadarnel27

@hichris123 You can visit the the website just as easily as I can =)

But alright.

'Automating' comes from the roots 'auto-' meaning 'self-', and 'mating', meaning 'screwing'.

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hichris123

01:59

I'm lazy, what can I say?

Heh, that's so true. :P

jmac

@hichris123 JS is pretty easy. Especially when you learn jquery. I really suggest this tutorial to learn the basics.

hichris123

@jmac I see you're trying to teach me how to learn jQuery. You should totally drop that and try jQuery.

jmac

@jadarnel27 Yes yes and definitely yes. I had a horrid job doing horrid work manually. I taught myself bash scripting for the sole purpose of automating that horrid task. And after it was automated I got roped in to maintaining the script to the point where it was a worse job than the original task was.

jadarnel27

I have dropped jQuery and used Plain Old Javascript™ on a number of occasions (where DOM manipulation was not important).

@jmac Hahaha, that is awful sir.

I can't say I've ever ended up in quite that situation.

But it sounds very frustrating and circular.

hichris123

@jadarnel27 You.... dropped jQuery? gasp

jadarnel27

02:07

I know, I know.

Madness.

hichris123

Oh, you must have dropped jQuery to try jQuery. Duh.

0

Beer – beer.stackexchange.com

Beta Q&A site for beer aficionados and collectors

Currently in private beta.

jmac

@jadarnel27 It was my first real job. I was doing QA testing for some software. They changed the from fooing the bar one way in a build to being able to foo the bar 8 ways in a single build. Old testing focused on making sure that each build fooed the bar one way only, so I had the dumb idea to point out that we should also test the other 7 ways to foo the bar in each build.

hichris123

@Shog9 Beer: currently in private beta

jadarnel27

@GnomeSlice I think the Area 51 proposal for "Shania Twain" is my favorite.

jmac

So they put me in charge of that, but because it was totally new testing, there was no process in place to actually do it, so it was essentially "spend 4 hours a day typing command lines in to linux with various options". Which was awful.

jadarnel27

02:11

@jmac Holy cow, man. That is rough.

jmac

(we actually didn't have automated testing at all, so my little foray in to that world as a non-programming wide-eyed youth was creating a script to automatically test the software while I was out of the office, and then come back in the morning and check the logs, find the bugs, and log them)

So as soon as they found out about my idiot wide-eyed enthusiasm, they put me in charge of basically automating the tasks of my entire team with said tool so that the engineers could use it to check things without us. Not being an intelligent man at the time, I actually did as told, developed the script, and programmed my own job out of existence.

GnomeSlice

@jadarnel27 I haven't actually heard back from them about setting that up yet... I think I'll call them tomorrow.

jadarnel27

@jmac Yikes. That is...impressive, in a way =P

GnomeSlice

See if they still want to interview me...

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Shania Twain

Proposed Q&A site for fans and for everyone who loves her.

Closed before being launched.

jmac

@jadarnel27 Not really. I was just dumb about it. I didn't tell my bosses what I was doing properly, and was focused more on eliminating my own drudgework than actually realizing what the benefit was and using it as a step up. I figured that the company would recognize the merit and reward me for it, but it didn't work out that way. Live and learn. It was a good excuse to come to Japan at any rate.

jadarnel27

02:22

@GnomeSlice Ah, gotcha. Just popped into my head, so I figured I would ask.

@jmac And I saw the other day that you've been in Japan for 10 years?

Unrelated to anything we've been discussing: does anyone in here have experience with Silverlight applications?

jmac

@jadarnel27 Correct. Came here in 2003.

jadarnel27

@jmac Software industry, I suppose?

jmac

@jadarnel27 Nope. Wasn't a developer then, am not a developer now.

I work in manufacturing, I suppose. I do sales for things not made out of 1's and 0's.

jadarnel27

@jmac Ohhh. From your rep distribution, I thought you might be in HR =) Though reading some of your posts on The Workplace, I can definitely see the salesperson / negotiator sometimes.

jmac

@jadarnel27 Living/working in another country turns you in to a one-man HR department of your own. Since traditional HR doesn't have a lot of experience with foreigners here, it is pretty-much up to me to figure out how to navigate the potholes in a Japanese workplace. That may be where the misconception comes form.

jadarnel27

02:32

@jmac Haha, wow. That makes sense, and it sounds intense. I've never experienced anything like that. I visited another country for the first time a few months ago (Mexico, honeymoon).

jmac

@jadarnel27 There are something like 200,000 'Westerners' in Japan, a country with 120 million people. You stand out like a sore thumb visually and culturally. And learning to navigate that can be...tricky...

jadarnel27

I bet! I would love to visit Japan sometime. I have friends that have gone a couple of times on vacation, and really enjoyed it.

jmac

I strongly recommend visiting. It is an awesome country and so incredibly hospitable to visitors. The food, the friendliness, and the adventures you can have here are all incredible.

The best season to visit is early-mid April (Cherry Blossoms) if you don't have those where you live, or early-mid November (Foliage) if you don't have maples where you live. Avoid the summer (resembles ichiro's favorite US phrase describing the weather in Kansas (uncouth language warning)). Winter is just grey save on the Japan sea side.

jadarnel27

@jmac LOL

I've never seen that.

jmac

That is absolutely classic. Ichiro is full of some great quotes. Apparently every year before the all-star game, he jumps up on something in the locker room and gives a profanity-ridden motivational speech.

Speaking of great baseball stories, there's a great one about Wade Boggs and drinking beer on a cross-country trip out there somewhere.

jadarnel27

02:43

Jeez. I really need to focus on practicing this music for a few minutes.

I keep getting distracted and typing words into this box.

And then reading the words that come out next to jmac.

jmac

I suggest pulling the computer's plug. That will solve the issue.

Unless it's a laptop. Then removing the battery will work.

jadarnel27

Yeah, but the music I need to listen to and figure out how to play is coming out of this very laptop!

jmac

Well that's a conundrum. Have you considered dropping that and trying jquery?

GnomeSlice

@jadarnel27 Disable your wifi.

hichris123

@jadarnel27 What insturment?

jadarnel27

02:51

@hichris123 Piano (and, to a lesser extent, vocals).

hichris123

Heh, I play the clarinet.

jmac

jadarnel27, the second coming of Tom Lehrer?

@hichris123 If you had followed that up with "and to a lesser extent, vocals" it would have been total class.

jadarnel27

@jmac Haha!

hichris123

@jmac Why? :P

jmac

@hichris123 I admire talent. And if you can sing while playing the clarinet, that is one hell of a talent.

hichris123

02:53

@jadarnel27 See? I gave you an opportunity to get 4 stars, just by being lazy.

@jmac Oh, me gets it now. That would be an amazing talent. :P

jadarnel27

Apr 24 '12 at 13:42, by jadarnel27

> jadarnel27 regularly talks way too damn much in the MSO Tavern, earning meaningless stars from his peers.

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Old news, those stars.

Johannes Kuhn

And already stared.

jadarnel27

=)

@JohannesKuhn That has to be a record.

jmac

I got 8 stars here once. True story.

It made me feel validated as a human being, and I believe it also reduced the worldwide incidence of cancer by 13% over a 3-day period (+/- 20% margin of error).

jadarnel27

Hmmm, apparently I got 11 once.

@jmac Getting likes on my Facebook posts has the same effect for me.

animuson

03:02

Likes on Facebook are to stars on chat as piles of dung are to diamonds.

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hichris123

@animuson Fishing for stars? It's a wonderful day, I think you have good bait. :P

jadarnel27

03:39

Okay.

I'm done fooling with this music stuff.

Back to website stuff.

@animuson Poppycock!

Rebecca Chernoff

04:29

@TimStone hey ):

unfair!

@ShadowWizard no

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff :O

Rebecca Chernoff

(:

jadarnel27

@Undo Did you noticed that your question made it on to the hot questions list?

jadarnel27

04:53

I need to go to sleep. I actually have to be at work on time tomorrow, to watch this app fall apart in real-time.

Aaron Hall

08:03

So I posted a negatively received post. I feel like I'm being bullied at this point.

-7

Q: Deleting downvoted answers to shed down-votes and then posting higher quality content?

It seems as people are voting their agreement or disagreement here. Let me encourage voters to consider the value of this discussion the transparency of the poster The drama: Questioner explained what they were doing, and inquired about an error. No one else had responded, so I quickly pu...

discussion reputation answers voting down-votes

Feel free to weigh in!

Jan Dvorak

Downvotes can mean disagreement on meta, not only post quality

Shadow Wizard

yup
"For just $512, they received 302 designs from 105 designers"
:D

Aaron Hall

I know!

Jan Dvorak

mine is for whining

Aaron Hall

I don't care about the downvotes, I care about the seemingly personal attacks.

Jan Dvorak

08:05

such as?

Aaron Hall

mine is for whining?

ok, good night

jmac

@Aaron, if you believe that I've bullied you, or otherwise are not 'playing nice' and should be taken care of, every comment and answer (and question, though not applicable in this case) has a 'flag' button on it. Click that and report to the moderation team who will evaluate it themselves and punish (or not) as necessary. There is no need to be passive aggressive -- if you really feel offended by my behavior (or that of anyone else), the appropriate thing to do is flag it, and it will be taken care of. — jmac 1 min ago

While you are (of course) free to bring it up in chat, the most effective way to deal with bad behavior from other users is going to be to flag it. It will have a much greater effect and you can track the progress on your 'flags' page to see what comes of it.

Duncan

At least he's honest:

@Duncan i searched but tomorrow i must meet him the deadline,and i am alot of working to do,so that's why i posted. — Farhan Shah 47 secs ago

rene

08:21

morning

Flyk

morning

Aaron Hall

Hey, as long as I'm getting blowback for my post, maybe you all could down-vote my print function inside a list comprehension answer:

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A: Printing within list comprehension in Python

It's not a print statement in Python 3, it's a function. >>> sys.version '3.4.0a4+ (default:8af2dc11464f, Nov 12 2013, 22:38:21) \n[GCC 4.7.3]' >>> [print(i) for i in range(4)] 0 1 2 3 and returns: [None, None, None, None] And as Tim Peters said, no statements can be in comprehensions or g...

It's really not a good idea.

rene

your wish is my command

Aaron Hall

thx!

More wish-lists on my profile

rene

Problem is: I have really no idea where that question is about, as well as your answer. I upvoted your competing answer instead.

Duncan

08:38

It gets worse with this one...

thx for ur reply..plz can u modify my activity?that what i exactely i would have needed to do. — Farhan Shah 22 mins ago

Jan Dvorak

bad grammar is bad

also, help vampirism

rene

@Duncan Yeah I saw that I was about to ask you if you casted a close vote as well?

nevermind, already closed

Duncan

Yeah, I went for "unclear". But I think too broad is correct, now we see he just wants free code.

rene

That answer gets him on his way but doesn't fully answer (based on the no knowledge I have in any of those tags)

Bart

08:53

What @FarhanShah is saying, I assume, is "Thanks for your reply. Could you please modify my activity? What exactly do I need to do?" Just in case you got lost in all the thx, ur, and plz. — Bart 2 mins ago

Too harsh @Duncan? ^^^^

Duncan

@Bart Not at all.

I removed my earlier comment, which probably was a bit too harsh.

I find it odd how many people who appear to have English as a non-primary language further compound the issue with "plz", "u", etc. I wonder what encourages that.

rene

english --verbose

Bart

Yeah, I don't get that. Why go for textspeak when you don't even grasp the language? Perhaps because they think nobody will realize their actual English isn't all that good?

Duncan

Is there a single word that could replace "digits after the decimal point"?

Ahah...

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Q: What are the numbers before and after the decimal point referred to in mathematics?

Sorry for asking such a basic question - but is there an actual term for the numbers that appear before and after the decimal point? Example: 25.18 I know the 1 is in the tenths position, the 8 is in the hundredths position. are there singular terms which apply to all of the numbers that appea...

terminology number-systems

Bart

Mantissa?

Ah, nevermind

rene

09:09

Would this OP believe in self-healing code? stackoverflow.com/questions/21278338/…

Bart

It's what I rely on for my work @rene.

rene

@bart why do I now envision you waiting for yesterdays code to heal its self...

Bart

/me goes to get a coffee while healing is in progress

michaelb958

This is how my JS development usually goes. I break the code; then it heals, and somehow ends up with that new feature as well.

Bart

Sounds like my medical report. "Patient healed, but now has new features"

michaelb958

09:21

Actually, that's how most of my development goes, JS or not.

"So you've been selected to break the code this week, hmmm?"

SPArchaeologist

Maybe is something like "retry test until Chaos Monkey goes to sleep"? Maybe he is working with SharePoint....

Laszlo Papp

09:40

43

Q: Threading in Python

What's the best approach to writing multi-threaded applications in Python, I'm aware of the basic concurrency mechanisms provided by the language and also of Stackless Python. What would you recommend and why?

python multithreading stackless python-stackless

we can close it, surely?

Shadow Wizard

Any @Tim is around? Or @Shog? :)

Bart

Just call for Tim or Josh(ua) and you've got 90% of the users covered.

Shadow Wizard

@Bart oh no, I think Dan will cover most. There are thousands of Dan's

Though never saw one on chat

Anyway, puzzle to solve. Prize is my eternal gratitude. What determines the order of sites in the reputation leagues? stackexchange.com/leagues

For the life of me, couldn't figure it out. It's non of the standard options (users, visits, etc)

Jeroen Vannevel

10:32

time of creation?

oh

solved it

stackexchange.com/sites?view=list#traffic

it's sorted by traffic, however that is calculated

No wait, not entirely

rene

10:45

Dec 12 '13 at 21:18, by Anna Lear

I'm pretty sure there's no rhyme or reason to that order beyond what SQL Server serves up.

Related open question on ordering specifics meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/161153/…

Bart

Haha, wtf. I now have a cross-site serial upvoter?

rene

11:13

It shouldn't get much funnier stackoverflow.com/questions/21281208/…

Shadow Wizard

Thanks @rene and @Jeroen for the effort! Guess there's no real order then.

@Bart lol! but only 2 questions on each site, not really serial

Bart

It's weird. Only noticed that because of the new top-bar. :)

rene

@ShadowWizard when you really want an answer you could say it is 'sqlserver ordering' but the specific details of the implementation is classified and closed-source.

Shadow Wizard

Guess it's just the time the records were added to the table

rene

That might only be true if there is only one physical file

Shadow Wizard

11:19

@rene what do you mean?

rene

If there is a 'timestamp/counter' I coud imagine it is only unique per file. If you would require that every written record has a db wide unique id you would end up with a single code path that would defeat paralelism, at least in my simple mind :-)

Ilmari Karonen

12:04

Hi! Can someone @ping me? I want to test something...

rene

@IlmariKaronen ping

@@174699 super ping?

Ilmari Karonen

Thanks. :)

rene

What did I win?

Flyk

6

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Ilmari Karonen

@rene: Some delicious SOUP, if you want. :)

Shadow Wizard

12:08

@Flyk you already got my +1 ;)

Flyk

@ShadowWizard you have a sockpuppet, use it!

(that was a joke)

Ilmari Karonen

Who needs sockpuppets when you can have minions? :)

Shadow Wizard

@IlmariKaronen I can summon Imps

Any 10K meta user here want a good puzzle to solve?

rene

Yes, but you need to upvote me a little bit first then...

Shadow Wizard

First step: go to this page.

Now click the "Return to Question" link

rene

12:13

Grmmmbl, I'm outsmarted stackoverflow.com/posts/21279869/revisions

Shadow Wizard

10K will see "deleted Apr 28 '12 at 2:52" - question is who deleted it, how and why?

Ilmari Karonen

@Shadow: don't need to be 10k for that, I see it just fine

rene

I've seen a bug report for that earlier...

Ilmari Karonen

oh, wait, it's on SO, I do have 10k there

Shadow Wizard

@IlmariKaronen only the revisions, not the question page itself

@IlmariKaronen oops, true, will fix my message here, sec

Jeroen Vannevel

12:16

@Shog9: can we get some update on reviewer-feedback? The mindless approving of bad edits is so frustrating that I've resorted to custom flagging them but there are just so many that it would create a huge backlog.

Shadow Wizard

oh, can't edit anymore :(

@rene probably for answers, deleted via low quality queue but that's not the case here

Ilmari Karonen

but yeah, that's weird... you might need to get an employee to look at that, @Shadow

Shadow Wizard

@IlmariKaronen I have already asked ;)

rene

@ShadowWizard do you know if the daily review exceeded feature is also true for close vote review tasks?

Shadow Wizard

12:51

@rene not sure, one can't review close votes on his own question so it's not really relevant IMO

rene

I hoped I might be able to review more than 40 tasks from the close vote queue if questions that got closed get deleted right after I complete my task.

Jeroen Vannevel

13:06

Crap edits get approved before I can reject or improve them

That's enough for today

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/3869641

why do 3 new reviewers with 55-23, 22-6 and 11-1 have more weight than 2 with 518-236 and 657-744..

Bart

Incidents like that are often a point where I give up reviewing for the day. So annoying.

Jeroen Vannevel

Yeah, every 3 suggestions I review are like this. At least on this one I was able to get a vote in

Bart

Myeah, stuff like that should mean that you should review more to balance it out, but I don't review nearly as much as I used to.

rene

The mismatch between the comment and the actual edit is already an indication something is fishy

Jeroen Vannevel

I used to review a lot more than now as well; somewhere the last few weeks/months a huge surge of newcomers suddenly came in

or at least: that's when I started to notice

Bart

13:16

I've seen some pretty awful reviewing from 10k+ users as well. With a 1700-21 approval-reject rating.

Where those 21 were most likely audits. :D

Bart has approved 832 edit suggestions and rejected 845 edit suggestions ... seems like I'm pretty strict.

Jeroen Vannevel

that's pretty much as neutral as you can get ;)

Shadow Wizard

@JeroenVannevel agreed it happens more and more. We have more than enough reviewers for suggested edits, I think the "Review suggested edits" privilege should be raised to be 5K, not 2K. Let them spend more time on the site before reviewing, hopefully it will somewhat help.

Jeroen Vannevel

Definitely, many of the approvals I've got a problem with have at least one person who just got his 2k rep. I would max out my queue every day if it meant a more comfortable environment :|

Ilmari Karonen

13:36

It'd help a lot if the requirement for approval were "three more approval than rejection votes" instead of "three approval votes before three rejection votes".

Or, really, even "three times as many approval votes as (rejection votes + 1)".

Jan Dvorak

@IlmariKaronen your last approval would mean most suggestions would end up in forced limbo

Ilmari Karonen

Probably not most (quite a few edits get unanimously approved anyway), but yeah, you have a point. There'd have to be some limit past which an edit would just get rejected even if it didn't manage to reach the 3:1 supermajority either way.

Bart

Hah, phone mystery solved. Some fraudster ordered the phone in my name and has tried to order products using different addresses. Weird stuff.

Shadow Wizard

@Bart so you keep and phone?

Bart

Ha, nope. It's not paid for apparently. So they'll send me a return sticker so I can send it back to them at no cost.

I would guess whoever did this assumed it would not be delivered without requiring a signature. So he/she could pick it out of my post-box when I'm not there during the day.

And then I would get the bill.

They offered me to keep the phone at the 450$ it cost, but nah. I'll keep using my oldie for a while.

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