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Tim Stone

04:15

Interesting.

I expected them to move well at that price point, but taking the top spot on Amazon is still pretty impressive.

Moshe

@TimStone Funny, I was just looking at those on the Google Play store.

jadarnel27

05:20

That's almost worth impulse buying just to fool around with it.

Tim Stone

I impulse bought the original retail one back in the day, heh.

Scrooginator

I'm a bit disturbed about how people toss dates < 24 months ago around and call them "back in the day" on the interwebs.

And then talk about 2007 as if it were "ancient times"

Tim Stone

shakes cane at @Scrooginator

animuson

Wow man, that year 2012. What a year that was, way back when.

Tim Stone

If your 2013 hasn't thus far been so action-packed that you already had to start clearing out memories of 2012 to make room for the past week, you aren't living hard enough.

jadarnel27

06:04

I've lived hard enough that my memories seem to clear themselves out pretty quickly on their own =)

user200500

08:34

Nick is on a [status-completed] rampage

animuson

He must be stopped!

Tim Stone

13:08

He pushed my super important bug reports off the front page, what is this madness?!

Tim Stone

13:47

@animuson I bumped a bug report that hasn't been resolved by the switch, let's see if that slows him down! :P

Lance Roberts

14:20

Thanks to the mod who re-opened this great feature-request (that I've wished I had many times).

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Q: Can I search my comments using some keyword(s)?

Here's my problem: I know I've posted something on Stack Overflow about a particular topic. I know how to search all my answers with a given keyword, and that feature works well. But, if I don't find anything, I assume that it must have been a comment that I posted on the subject, and I'd like ...

jadarnel27

'Twas casperOne, @Lance. Trying to atone for his various and sundry transgressions.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

14:49

Hey all

anyone wanna help me yell at an OP?

Well you might help me instead of being an ass.. — Mads 36 secs ago

jadarnel27

Yelling at the OP seems like the opposite of what you should do there.

You should ignore them, flag the rudeness, and move on.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@jadarnel27 yep. I am walking away.

Lance Roberts

@amanaP, done.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@LanceRoberts :-)

jadarnel27

"Smart move, Neal", said Josh, in some alternate universe where he would ever say that to Neal

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

14:57

@jadarnel27 :-P

Just call me Naftali, and then you are good :-)

jadarnel27

Still doesn't quite feel right.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@jadarnel27 My english name is Neal Craig. or you can call me by my hebrew name which is Naftali Tuvia. Either way, there are 4 names to choose from ^_^

Oded

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA - As some of my friends would say - Naftali Tuvia, a good settler name ;)

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Oded I confuzzled.

Oded

In Israel, it would be a name given in a fairly religious family, most likely west bank settler type...

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

15:02

@Oded :-P I am an orthodox jew :-)

But I live in Brooklyn :-P

Oded

There we go then :)

jadarnel27

I think it's "smart" that's giving me pause more than your name, Neal-y Poo.

Oded

Very west bank ;)

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Oded HA! The west bank of what? Long Island?

Oded

Well, it's like Moroccan Jews in Israel say they come from the south of France. Very south.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

15:04

@Oded lol. Well Im definitely not morrocan. I am an Ashkenazi Jew with a Syrian wife :-)

Syrian food is awesome :-D

Oded

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA - Middle eastern in general... And for the record, I am as Ashkenazi as could be as well.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

:-P

Ashkeniziim stick together!

Oded

Hehe :)

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Although I am becoming more and more Sephardic. I live in my wifes neighborhood. ^_^

No rice on Pesach just yet though (for me)

Oded

I do find the different traditions to be sometimes... funny. What is and isn't considered Chametz being only one of these.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

15:10

@Oded Ya. I had issues before I got married over whether I was "allowed" to eat in my future wifes home on pesach.

eventually I did anyway :-D

ahhhh customs.

Oded

lol

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Hmmm. wonder the percentage of jewish people on SO? ^_^

Oded

1 founder, and there is a bunch of SE employees as well.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

True. True. Joel helped start up mi.yodeya to the top.

Oded

That he did. I added my vote at the time, but I am not active there.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

15:18

@Oded Im sorta active... but not much

Naftali, Brooklyn, NY

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halacha chanuka history shabbat nuschaot passover calendar

Oded

Well, I don't have much to contribute there. I am pretty much as far from Orthodox as can be.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Oded That is perfectly fine. The site was made for you :-)

Oded

Possibly... I also don't really have any questions to ask there ;)

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

yet.

Oded

lol... I grew up in Jerusalem and have strong feelings about religion.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

15:24

@Oded No reason to not voice them.

Oded

True. They mostly boil down to "live and let live".

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Oded Guess. that makes sense? But you have no questions burning inside u?

Oded

'fraid not :) Too laid back for that kind of thing

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Oded haha. unless you are smoking something new, noone is thaaat laid back :-P

Oded

What I'm smoking might not be kosher...

3

Looks like I got a question ;)

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

15:27

:-P

18

Q: Is one allowed to smoke Marijuana?

Not taking into account Dina D'malchusa, what are the Halachic problems with smoking marijuana? Is it allowed?

halacha health-safety-shmira

ha

Oded

That's the other side of it... If I have a question, it's already been asked and answered ;)

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Oded Ahh, but all questions can be extrapolated into more complicated questions.

Oded

Isn't that what the Talmud is all about?

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Oded yes. but not everyone has Artscroll (or their own aramaic translator)

sometimes you cannot find modern answers in books from 600 somewhat years ago

Oded

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA - True. It would be good to see many traditions get modernized (or is that a bit of an oxymoron?)

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

15:32

@Oded it isn't. unless you live in the shetls in Williamsburg, halacha needs to be modernized. and their are many orthodox rabbis that do (to a certain extent)

For example: How to deal with electricity and modern living.

Oded

I don't doubt it. But I find some laws to be so... over conservative, that one feels they must be questioned. Simple example - electric lights on Shabbat.

I do realize much of it is down to interpretations of very short and ambiguous passages in the bible :)

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Oded Well for me. We don't touch them. We have timers that turn them on and off, but aside from that, we refrain from their use.

Yes There are questions over whether electrics is "fire"

but i dont want to go into that (unless you want to)

Oded

hehe. Fair enough

I always interpreted it as disallowed for the reason of a possibility of an electric fire starting up ;)

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Shabbat is a day of "rest" if i can watch TV and use computers, and electrics, there where is the rest?

lol. I have never heard that one.

Oded

Just my own attempt at making sense of things.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

15:37

Cars is another story. That actually is "starting a fire"

@Oded I mean, we do heat already cooked food in the oven on Shabbat.

Oded

Combustion engines, for certain. Electric ones though?

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

But others disallow it. It is all based on the tradition of your family.

@Oded Well you are starting the circuit in that one.

Oded

I just recall people using a hot plate for Shabbat heating.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Yes. we have that too.

Oded

And ovens today do have timers.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

15:38

The oven is kept on a very low temp if we are using it to reheat on shabbat

Oded

Yeah, as you said electricity == or != fire ;)

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Oded my apartment is not that fancy

@Oded that is a big debate amongst the rabbis

haha. funny this convo is in the tavern

Oded

I can imagine. For both your last statements :)

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Oded Just reading through mi.yodeya, there are many things I would have never thought of.

Oded

Well, I find that for many people it ends up being a pick and choose - whose interpretation do you follow...

Monica Cellio

15:42

@Oded Orthodoxy isn't a requirement for Mi Yodeya. I'm not Orthodox either and I'm a mod. If you have questions later, please bring them.

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Oded

Hi @Monica - No, no questions. I am not very curious about our religion ;)

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Oded hehe. you should have a convo with my brother in law. He is of the mindset that Judaim is very much a "shopping cart" religion.

Monica Cellio

@Oded That's fine. Just wanted to make sure you know you're welcome should you ever decide to visit.

Oded

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA - I certainly feel that to many religious it has become that. I am much more of the belief that it is between me and the big man, and I'd rather leave organized religion out of it.

@MonicaCellio - Thanks. It never crossed my mind that it would be a problem - wouldn't have supported the proposal on area51 otherwise.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Oded well the evolution of the religion over 3000 years does that..

Oded

15:46

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA - Well, even muc more recent ones have that issue

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Oded I am sure.

but especially judaism and its many offshoots and sects.

Oded

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA - Yeah.

Scrooginator

now wonders how much that applies to Scientology :P

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Well ill be back in a lil over an hour @Oded (off to physical therapy)

TTYL

Oded

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA - Later :)

@Scrooginator - Possibly. It may depend on where it is getting sued.

Madara Uchiha

16:02

Oh, he left :( I arrived too late

ircmaxell

We need a way to flag users for abuse...

Madara Uchiha

@ircmaxell We really do, don't we?

Seth J

16:22

@Oded re: Electric cars on Shabbath: judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/ask

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

17:05

@MadaraUchiha I am back @Oded

Anonymous

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Q: Less than 10k and saw a deleted post

I haven't hit 10k on Stack Overflow yet, so I was quite surprised when hitting a link to a question that it turns out to be deleted, but yet the content was shown (all in one box). Besides the content box was shown this message (names edited out): Could someone please explain what's happening...

support deleted-posts

Anonymous

This really tickled me, perhaps more than it should. :D

Tim Stone

Yeah, I always laugh a little when someone reports a bug that's actually related to one of my userscripts. Except that time that I broke chat for lots of people, that was bad. :P

jadarnel27

@ircmaxell I think e-mailing the team is probably the most effective way to report abusive users. You could use a custom mod flag as well, but I'm not sure how much they can do.

Anonymous

@TimStone I think I was going to ask a question about one of your scripts once, but asked in chat first and someone (maybe even you) pointed it out and saved me.

ircmaxell

17:15

hrm...

Tim Stone

@JeremyBanks :D

Oh, whoops @ typo by the way. Sorry about that.

Anonymous

I make the same mistake, just not with my name. :P

jadarnel27

18:41

卐웃ᙓᗢᓮᘐᓰﬡ웃卐

1.5k 4 13

support discussion bug reputation feature-request stackoverflow winterbash

wut

animuson

19:09

Lol, we've been complaining to the county that our street never got plowed. So they sent out a truck to spray hot water up and down the street... It's not doing anything...

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@animuson haha that probably makes it worse.

Oded

@animuson - Had to read that 5 times before I got what you meant... Here's for living in warm countries ;)

@amanP - Yeah, it sure is worse when it ices up :(

animuson

At first I thought he was just laying down sand, then I noticed that our street had been converted into a river. So I looked harder when he drove by the next time and, sure enough, it was water.

Oded

@animuson - What's the temp out there?

Lix

so now api.jquery, jsfiddle AND stackoverflow made changes to their UI :/ it really is the end of the world...

animuson

19:23

@Oded: Currently 39F.

Oded

@animuson - A bit above freezing then. The hot water should help melt it all down if they keep it up.

Pekka

@jadarnel27 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

rekire

Hi guys, I'm confused. I lost 2 rep without any traces why. This is almost nothing I know but this cofuses me^^. I looked for deleted posts but nothing to see

animuson

@rekire: Most likely a post you had suggested an edit for got deleted.

Lix

@rek - loosing 2 rep could have been if a post you edited was deleted

rekire

19:32

but whould not be there a trace in stackoverflow.com/users/995926/rekire?tab=reputation or stackoverflow.com/reputation?

Anonymous

I should have asked in chat so you could have save me from myself again this time, @TimStone.

Tim Stone

Hahah ;)

Anonymous

Nice investigating. :P

animuson

@rekire: No. Suggested edit reversals are not added to your reputation history at the moment.

Daniel Fischer

@animuson Sure? I thought if the post was deleted it would show up as "removed" if "Show removed posts" is checked.

animuson

19:37

As far as I'm aware, that doesn't apply to suggested edits. I remember I lost 2 reputation on Gaming about a month ago and couldn't figure out what edit it was...

rekire

@animuson So maybe a tag excerpt was deleted?

animuson

@rekire: Tag wikis and their excerpts are never deleted. Reputation gain from those is permanent.

Daniel Fischer

Aren't they deleted if the tag is removed?

Lix

permanent you say? gotta get me a slice of those tag wikis....

animuson

@DanielFischer: No.

rekire

19:38

My edits does not need to be review, so far I don't get rep for editing

Daniel Fischer

@rekire But maybe you suggested edits before you got 2k?

rekire

that was months ago, I don't beleve that

Daniel Fischer

Some posts are deleted long after they were made/edited/closed.

rekire

I reached 2k rep at end of march last year^^

Daniel Fischer

Some deletions are years after the fact.

rekire

19:41

Yes I had already some, but they where listed in my rep page

Well this does not really matter, but how does synonym-request work? I wrote one some days ago, got 7 upvotes but nothing happed. it this normal?

ircmaxell

20:05

Any mods around?

rekire

I can see the image of one here in this chat^^

ircmaxell

hrm, was hoping for Tim Post... But just wanted to make them aware of something: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/7059145#7059145 It's BS, but still worth bringing up

worth bringing up to watch out for that guy doing the accusing. I have no doubt the moderator was acting correctly...

Madara Uchiha

@ircmaxell TBH it's the first time I get to see the same mod's name 3 times on difference occasions on the same day.

I think he has been busy. Definitely not racist, but busy :P

Pekka

@ircmaxell meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/161185/racist-negative-votes

Seems to be a persistent troll

ThiefMaster

Isn't that the super awesome guy from #javascript?

ircmaxell

20:17

Yes... He's come to the room before. But this is the first time he pointed out the racism card in SO chat

he came into #php

Mechanical snail

20:39

Which way do we dupe this?

20

Q: Is it possible to decrypt md5 hashes?

Someone told me that he has seen software systems that would accept MD5 encrypted passwords (through various integrations with other systems), decrypt them, and store them in the systems own database using it's own algorithm. Is that possible? I thought that it wasn't possible (feasible) to dec...

hash cryptography md5 encryption

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Q: Reversing an MD5 Hash

I have passwords stored in a database using md5, and was wondering if there was a way to reverse the hash to email the user's password to him in case they forget it. If that's not the most appropriate method, what is the appropriate method for dealing with a lost password?

security md5 reverse-engineering

ircmaxell

and

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Q: md5 decoding. How they do it?

i thought, that it is impossible to decode md5 hashes, but i found tools, which decode them here. but i have no idea, how they do it in such a short period of time(it takes about a second). Help me please to understand it. Thanks

md5 decoding

Mechanical snail

@ircmaxell Yes. I've found a whole bunch of other dupes, but I'm not sure which question to dupe them to!

ircmaxell

the first 2 should likely be merged

Mechanical snail

@ircmaxell Should I flag them?

ircmaxell

You could, I guess...

animuson

21:58

I can't believe we don't have any glue in this entire house...

Almo

22:32

GLUE!

animuson

No sniffing!

Almo

:D

ircmaxell

:-(

animuson

Have this paint instead...

Pekka

Do you have any flour?

Then you can use

wikihow.com/Make-Glue

Shog9

22:38

Mmm... flour glue

Pekka

Also known as pancakes.

Soft pancakes

Madara Uchiha

Yo, @Shog9

Shog9

or, in the dirty south, gravy

hey

Pekka

yummy.

Madara Uchiha

Quick question, when is it estimated for pro-tempore nominations over on Anime and Manga?

Shog9

22:40

@MadaraUchiha Nominations? Or appointments?

Madara Uchiha

@Shog9 Appointments

My bad

Shog9

They're "in progress"

Madara Uchiha

I pinged Robert C. about it, but got no response as of now :(

Shog9

(I'm not handling them, but that's the status the person who is has listed for it)

Madara Uchiha

@Shog9 I see, is there an ETA of some sort? Or is that about it? :P

Shog9

22:42

two a-names join, back-to-back

quick, someone invite an aaron in

Anna Lear

@MadaraUchiha My goal's to set folks up by the end of the week, depending somewhat on how quickly I get invitation emails out and how quickly folks respond. I started looking on Friday, but got sidetracked.

Madara Uchiha

@AnnaLear Oh, invitation e-mails? For the appointees?

Anna Lear

@MadaraUchiha Yeah, basically. Know how you guys have a nomination thread? I'm going to be looking at that as well as other active users, and picking out a few who have shown aptitude for moderation. Then I'll send out some emails to see if folks are interested (these act as an interview of sorts), and then out of those 3 people will be appointed.

Madara Uchiha

@AnnaLear I see, that's nice. Well, thanks for your answer, and your time :)

Anna Lear

@MadaraUchiha Any time :)

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