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Shadow The Kid Wizard

7:24 AM

> exact duplicate of the prior question

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog what prior question?

If you found duplicate, please vote to close and I'll use my hammer.

Anyway I was about to rollback the edit, if there's no dupe I will, it's not needed to add time of asking to titles.

(just noise.)

If you mean this it's not dupe. Related, not the same. It's asking who are the associates, not what does it mean. Other user edited the body of the question, not the OP.

@tripleee flagged, still up

7:40 AM

@tripleee -7, still up

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

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Q: Who are Stack Overflow Valued Associates?

I have seen "Stack Overflow Valued Associate" on many user profiles. What does it mean?

support stack-exchange-team

It was linked in that question

@ShadowTheKidWizard The rest of the edit summary states why I think it's useful to have as a separate post.

@ShadowTheKidWizard Without any notion of the time, the questions are exact duplicates of one another. However, it's useful to have modern versions of posts if there's evidence to show the answer has changed (in this case, that valued associates aren't announced on the blog as they were in 2012). There are also people who vote to close based on post titles without reading the post body and seeing that it's different.

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Journeyman Geek

9:38 AM

→ 26 messages moved to Chimney

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Shadow The Kid Wizard

12:29 PM

@Luuklag heh, removed while you were typing "k"? ;)

1:16 PM

@ShadowTheKidWizard I cast the last vote, and then replied with K, but the message poofed on me

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Luuklag hmm yeah think the reply arrow doesn't disappear until you reload. ;(

7

Q: Since when do we get to reply to deleted messages in chat?

I just noticed I can reply to a deleted message in chat, while this wasn't possible before, i.e. the reply function used to disappear when the message was deleted. Evidence can be found here, here and here. It seems that the reply doesn't ping the author of the deleted message, but it does conver...

@M.A.R. has good eyes! :D

@ShadowTheKidWizard I can still reply to it if I want

:9279938 also to this old deleted message

Hmmm it doesn't show an arrow there @Sha

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Luuklag of course, it's just matter of writing :xxxxxx in the beginning of chat message, placing ID of a deleted message. But it won't become a reply to the deleted message.

And after page reload, the @[name] will be replaced with the :xxxxxx correctly.

1:42 PM

@ShadowTheKidWizard yeah, that's true. Buggy old system.

2:04 PM

Does high velocity lead to burnout? That may be the wrong question to ask.

Ben Matthews on August 22, 2022

High velocity compared to what?

@Feeds Does high velocity lead to burning oneboxes?

A non-guest post getting Onebox'd? Nice

Shadow The Kid Wizard

2:42 PM

@Spevacus it's a guest.

Ben Matthews, Atlanta, GA, USA

101 2 3

Not staff.

So as far as the blog knows (or any user who stumble across the profile without seeing the blog profile first), it's not SE employee.

Lucky for us, we get onebox as result! :D

Looks like he's a Director of Engineering on SO, if the SO profile can be trusted

Ben Matthews, Atlanta, GA, USA

407 2 5

asp.net-core c# asp.net-core-mvc asp.net-mvc asp.net-web-api .net-core asp.net

Journeyman Geek

Well the blog says it too

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@MetaAndrewT. anyone can write anything, that's the last thing one should trust.

Get this man a staff badge!

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Spevacus won't happen

2:44 PM

@ShadowTheKidWizard Wanna bet?

Journeyman Geek

hm

Shadow The Kid Wizard

They need to create new account, then merge all existing accounts into it.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard uh?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

6-8 hours of work for SE developer.

@ShadowTheKidWizard I think they all start with a clean "mod" account, and then get to choose if they merge their older account with it. Some chose not to merge and to start off with a clean slate so to say. — Luuklag yesterday

Which makes lots of sense.

probably he doesn't need it since he is not in charge for interacting with the community (no meta post at all)

Journeyman Geek

2:46 PM

@Luuklag not sure

Shadow The Kid Wizard

And since Ben appears to have only his "unclean" account, they need to create new one for him, with the staff indicator.

Journeyman Geek

A lot of hires probably don't have a 'big' SE presense

and that would be staff who are no longer with the company would be messy

I suspect they would be just a flag that's set and unset on an account

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek nope

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard citation needed

Shadow The Kid Wizard

I really think it's impossible due to security reasons, and rightfully so.

Journeyman Geek

2:48 PM

without any real proof ._.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek facts: they always merge accounts, never update.

Journeyman Geek

I mean

why do you think so?

I've NEVER heard anything about this ever

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek staff indicator is pretty new, and there was big hack not long ago as well.

Someone made himself staff.

I forgot I can't check the staff's user history anymore, otherwise I can check a few...

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard Its still speculation

2:49 PM

@MetaAndrewT. I was just about to ask, can mods see merge history of a profile?

Could check a previously-staff member. Though I do not know whether or not that is something that's frowned upon, since you're technically jumping around the previous restriction placed on seeing their profile history.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

So it would make sense to change policy, require creating new account from scratch with staff indicator in order to have it.

This way people can't make themselves staff anymore.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard uh, you're massively speculating >_>

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek well, it makes sense to me. :)

Still, facts about user merge aren't speculating.

(for at least three of the last hires that I noticed.)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard most of them are newish to the network, if we're talking the CM team

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek well, yes. In my assumption, I mean it started after the hack.

Journeyman Geek

2:59 PM

\o/

Shadow The Kid Wizard

(When they want to have someone get the staff indicator)

Journeyman Geek

with no actual proof ._.

and the staff indicator I suspect is mainly a front end thing

I want to believe that they didn't know if the candidates already had an SE account, but who knows how the recruitment went...

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. or few/no one with SE accounts applied

@ShadowTheKidWizard Ka-kaa

Wait we talking about my old posts?

blushes

Shadow The Kid Wizard

3:02 PM

@MetaAndrewT. yeah that's possible too.

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. I've not been able to apply for a bit, but I recall it was a field

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@M.A.R. you have to poo? That's fine, toilets are there. pointing towards Den

Eagles are too majestic to poo

They just . . . Keep it in

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Eag-less

@M.A.R. nah, just using you to make a point :D

@ShadowTheKidWizard no, it's French. Eeg-lei

3:05 PM

@JourneymanGeek Enter the profile URL so that we can send the "Candidate" badge: https://

@ShadowTheKidWizard deblushes

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. sad, I've never gotten that badge

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@M.A.R. note to self: @M.A.R love being used

@MetaAndrewT. huh? There's no such badge.

You mean census?

That issue was different though, and indeed temporary. It showed the username of who was replied to

@JourneymanGeek poor you

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. I'd rather have gotten the job!

Shadow The Kid Wizard

3:08 PM

@JourneymanGeek nobody did, it doesn't exist ;)

Journeyman Geek

But yeah, all things considered, I don't think my SE rep had any impact on whether I got selected or not.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@M.A.R. even after a refresh?

If not, it still exists, saw it today along with @Luuk

Who needs a job when you can have badges

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. I do?

Think about it. There are billions of jobs in the world. They're not a unique thing at all

Journeyman Geek

3:10 PM

snort

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@M.A.R. badgers

Journeyman Geek

Some suck worse than others.

You can't shove a job at someone's face. You can shove a badge at someone's face, absolutely. I rest my case.

If you give a billionaire a job and a badge, they'll definitely go for the badge. That's how you know you're a future billionaire

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@M.A.R. I won't watch TV shows shoved to my face (House of Dragon), so also won't keep a badge shoved to my face. :P

@M.A.R. let's give Musk a badge then.

And have him buy SE.

> Bronze badge: Buyer.
> Buy Stack Exchange company.
> This badge can be awarded multiple times.

Conqueror (silver): Make the devs and CMs gain a total of 1000 downvotes

Shadow The Kid Wizard

3:17 PM

Talking about HoD, the first reviews in our local media claims it's "Softer version of GoT, without nudity and blood". lol

@M.A.R. meh, that's anti-badge

Maybe worth a secret hat

@ShadowTheKidWizard doubly exciting

Where's your sense of adventure

Shadow The Kid Wizard

lol

@ShadowTheKidWizard so vanilla skyrim?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@M.A.R. exactly!

Not everyone wants to or can install adult mods dude

Shadow The Kid Wizard

3:20 PM

I'm so not going to watch it

@M.A.R. anyone can, it's matter of wanting to. :D

I'm gonna watch it and exaggerate every small good detail to spite you

Shadow The Kid Wizard

But generally I'm not fan of mods, at all.

Your loss

Shadow The Kid Wizard

meh

I said, your loss!

Shadow The Kid Wizard

3:21 PM

@M.A.R. won't help you, nothing will make me want to watch it. :D

@ShadowTheKidWizard yes I did. First showed username, after hard refresh showed message ID

You're supposed to fall down and hug your knees

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Luuklag for me soft refresh was enough. Your cache is harder to bust.

:P

@M.A.R. on your head perhaps. :D

@JourneymanGeek that's something I recall from a comment somewhere. Might also be 60-80% truthfully

4:13 PM

@ShadowTheKidWizard gonna watch House of Dragon Nana na na na na

5:02 PM

I've updated the tag wiki for post-ban with regards to the adjustments V2Blast made in the FAQ in case anyone wanted to touch it up.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

5:15 PM

@M.A.R. sure! I've never said I'm against others watching it. After all, they need the money to have chance to create something better in the future. ;)

@Spevacus nice, I'll take a look later. In the meantime, I've created two new tags, will give it a day or two before starting to retag other questions adding them, in case other users disagree and will remove the tag(s).

(tags for the Stack Overflow Support site, and for general mobile device usage, was surprised none exists so far.)

Hm, yeah, there's tags for specific browsers but not a generic one for mobile sites.

I can see merit in having it, since it's certainly worthwhile to report issues that happen on mobile devices broadly, especially since mobile-web's view is gone forever.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

6:00 PM

@Spevacus yeah, probably people used the mobile-web for everything so while it existed, there was no real need in generic mobile device tag.

Still, it's gone for pretty long time.

@Mith you're very silent lately, hope everything is OK! :D

Even @g3r talked more than you in recent days, even though only because I kind of provoked him. ;-)

6:12 PM

aye, been busier offline

@ShadowTheKidWizard tsk, tsk you totally talked about that without me

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Mithoron whoops. What you doing here?! :P

@Mithical hopefully with fruitful things! ;)

Spying obviously ;D

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Army is already over, or still ongoing? @Mith

another eight months

@ShadowTheKidWizard I did have some mangoes recently

Shadow The Kid Wizard

6:23 PM

@Mithical looks like eternity, hope for you it's passing faster... or wait, are you officer by now?

Huh, How is it that @ Mith doesn't ping all Miths now?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Mithical awesome! My brother is allergic, but I love them. :)

@ShadowTheKidWizard nonononono

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Mithoron should ping you too

But doesn't o.O

Shadow The Kid Wizard

6:24 PM

@Mithical hehe, fair. ;)

@Mithoron screenshot and bug report! :)

I've got three stripes. I'm ready to add a leaf and that's it :P

Oh, I probably wasn't chatting here for so long, that makes me unpingable

But now, unless it's a reply, then it will

7:15 PM

@Spevacus There's a comment on some MSE post somewhere where Ben explained that he wants to keep his personal account separate from his staff account. (It's one where he accidentally answered a post from his personal account, and I ended up reassociating that answer to his staff account.)

...Found it:

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A: Is Stack Exchange accessible for the blind and visually impaired and what can be done to improve it?

To chime in with some updates, we hear you and agree that we can and should do better. This year we have engaged some external firms to help us identify and plan ways to rectify our current shortcomings around our goal to make our Stack Exchange sites as universally accessible as possible. We sha...

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar I actually decided to keep the accounts separate and will just be working under this account going forward. But, for the record, the process usually takes a few days from what I was told. — BMatt-Stack Mar 23 at 18:05

I see :)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

7:30 PM

@Mithical salute

@Mithoron yeah but the @Mith that I used here was when you were in the room, totally pingable.

@V2Blast ohhh me and my bad memory again, I remember it now. :/

Still, if someone search for his profile based on name, it's impossible to find the staff profile and know he's actually an employee.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

OpenID support is finally being completely removed on November 1, 2022

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Finally

Finally. They've been automatically adding an OpenID credential for every single user despite it being essentially deprecated years ago.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Mithical actually they still might add, it's not mentioned in the announcement. So keep your fingers close to a keyboard so you can report the bug once November 1 arrives... ;-)

It also happens to be holiday, elections day. :D

7:45 PM

Eh, they'll be doing a repeat of that in a few months anyway ;P

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Yeah, March 2023

(First Tuesday, too lazy to check exact date.)

Then again in July, then again in November 2023, and so on, in endless loop.

The only possible alternative has crumbled to dust, so there's really no way government can be formed.

hmm this means Lapid is going to be PM as long as Bibi, if not more. LOL

(in 10 years, Bibi will be 80 I think, so still up and running, for sure.)

2 hours later…

9:26 PM

In general, avoid exposure to any temperatures, pressures, particle energies, or states of matter that physicists think are neat.

1 hour later…

Journeyman Geek

10:42 PM

hm

do the (depreciated) apps use openid?

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