@Mithical Wondering if you saw my answer on chat moderators to the community roles question.
One point you mentioned in your initial proposal was how chat moderation requires different skills from chat moderation. Someone asked me to elaborate how that's so in a comment on my answer, and I was wondering how you came to that conclusion in your proposal.
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I did, I'm afraid I've been rather preoccupied with other things, though (such as the ChatGPT mess)
In short: Q&A moderation is much more about janitorial work such as handling flags and deleting things, investigating votes, etc. Chat moderation requires more soft skills and good communication, since you're resolving disputes or defusing tense situations. One's about proficiency with tools, one's about conflict resolution.
@Mithical So I guess it's more like on a site, the decisions to make in certain cases are essentially given (codified as per policies, e.g., this type of question is off-topic), whereas in chat, a user has to be able to make snap decisions as to what tools to use and when per their judgment.
@Mithical Yeah, I replied to their comment. Another commenter called your approach to the hierarchy out of date in this comment; what do you think of that?
I did respond to that one in a series of three comments beginning here.
There is an alternate case I thought of with regards to ChatGPT. Sometimes I have the answer in my mind but I can't really put it down into words. Say that ChatGPT comes up with wording that basically describes exactly what I think of with good words. I'd then edit it to polish it before posting it and verify it's accurate. Should that be penalty-worthy?
People are allowed to think it's a poor idea or whatever. I outlined what I thought would be effective based on my experience moderating chat and having gone through the downfall of Mos Eisley. Those are my opinions. I make no guarantees that they're the best ideas.
Final question: how much do you personally care for it to be implemented as of right now? Much of your initial proposal mentioned being unable to moderate mods in the TL, but that's now possible, but to me it doesn't mean much since mods still can't be moderated in other rooms.
@Mithical I wasn't there at the time of Mos Eisley's closure, but what I did later see is that the same mod who was asked to resign by a CM has been indefinitely suspended from chat for a long while.
It's less of an issue than it had been, but I still feel it would be ultimately beneficial. The core idea of chat and Q&A requiring different skill sets and different approaches remains the same.
@ShadowTheKidWizard The two users who instigated the disruption are still indefinitely banned from chat today, long after Shog's employment ceased (the practical maximum 9999-hour suspension has continuously been reinstated every time it's expired).
@Mithical Yeah, I kind of figured that, which is why I decided to focus my answer on the first part of your proposal (re. skills) and leave out the second part (re. disruptive mods) for the comments.
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"establishting per-site policies responsive to their communities' needs." > If you can argue CGPT answers work on MSE, we can essentially establish a policy saying that no, these aren't banned here.
It is a very narrow interpretation of the fluffiness of the actual comment, yeah.
Yeah. I'm not saying I'm more optimistic than you about the integrity of users doing such stuff. Just want to point out that you can't really say 'this is banned' and be done with it :P
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HALLO EVERYONE. I am writing to you from Kenya. I have recently come into contact with a great bunches of Viagras -- roughly 15,395.5 bottles worths! That's FIFTEEN THREE NINE FIVE and a half bottles. Th...
@Catija yeah that's about the price of woman's haircut. For men it's around 80 NIS when done by "stylist", I get it for half the price because they know my wife's parents from ages ago, so we're kind of V.I.P there. ;)
@Tinkeringbell it's like a jeans with a name cost double and triple. So when a barber becomes "hair stylist", price also gets double and triple. Premium quality, etc. :D
Oh, not saying you shouldn't spend the money however you like, it's just so far out of the price ranges I know over here, especially if it's only a haircut and not also dyeing or curling or a whole bridal thing XD
Yeah, that's what they do with mine too, mostly because my hair is apparently thick and using one of those plant spray mist bottles to get it damp is too much work XD
Otherwise the one I go to skips the wash, the one my mom goes to does it always
Hope the haircut was worth it, and if you ever visit the Netherlands... Maybe get a haircut?.;)
My last haircut was a month ago in Tanzania - I paid $8 (in local currency) and got the feeling I paid the tourist price - not that I mind, not at all ...
(and I do know treatments and hence prices are different for men)
I received a strange mail from a well-known SE user with the following body two days ago:
HALLO EVERYONE. I am writing to you from Kenya. I have recently come into contact with a great bunches of Viagras -- roughly 15,395.5 bottles worths! That's FIFTEEN THREE NINE FIVE and a half bottles. Th...
