@forestdistrustsStackExchange nope

How should the answer be edited then?

eh, I think @V2Blast's action works the best - a comment as a clarification

"Comments are second class citizens"

true but - the options are edit something completely opposite to what OP intended, close against another question as a dupe or comment

sometimes you actually do need the left handed assymetric head screwdriver

Edit the answer, not the question.

@forestdistrustsStackExchange close the question for a question that reflects the current situation 😁

Too lazy. Maybe tomorrow.

ello

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wow my first well received answer is a meme

damn

@bad_coder I don't get what's so hard about it? Just interact with every single question in your filters so that when you revisit the site, all the non-new ones are colored as visited links? /s

@DialFrost xD congrats

@Feeds The creator of Onebox has a plan to get blog contributors paid

(oh no)

@Luuklag Fossils aren't an archaeologists business

@NordTheLoftyWizard How do you know that you accidentally downvoted that answer? I assume you're talking about stackoverflow.com/q/74447766 The only downvote on that page is on your self-answer. There are no downvotes on the other answers.

@ShadowTheKidWizard I strongly disagree. Paying a bounty because you accidentally downvoted an answer is overkill, and borders on abuse of the bounty system. IMHO, if you erroneously downvote an answer, it's perfectly acceptable to post a comment asking the author to make an edit to unlock the post. Of course, you should delete the comment once the post is unlocked. I've certainly seen such requests on SO & possibly on other sites like Physics.SE & Math.SE.

@Tinkeringbell I assume that coating the frog statue in pepper spray is not an option...

Can someone please vote to close meta.stackexchange.com/questions/310007/… as "no longer reproducible" due to it being about the deprecated mobile app? I participated a long time ago in closing the question as "needs details or clarity" since the initial version wasn't clear, and it was then reopened once edited to improve details, and the question wasn't yet obsolete at the time.

@PM2Ring this was on another answer (the one from Bryan). I used the keyboard control settings on SO and accidentally downvoted their answer. By the time I noticed, the time limit to reupvote was passed...

@PM2Ring I also thought this was overkill, especially since I have such few reps. I also thought of asking in a comment, but I felt like this was much more "borders on abuse" compared to giving a bounty, since then I would explicitly ask to edit when there is nothing to edit, just to give an upvote. I might have misunderstood at the time, but yeah.

@NordTheLoftyWizard But there's no downvote on Bryan's answer.

there was (from me) but it was edited later on, and I managed to give back my upvote.

Besides, Bryan has a lot more rep than you. :) He probably doesn't care about the points. OTOH, it is annoying to get a downvote on a perfectly valid answer, so I'm sure he'd be happy to get a comment asking him to unlock his answer. If, in fact, you did downvote it.

don't get me wrong, I'm well aware of the implications. It's not like I'm giving away a bounty just for that reason. They (and the other answer) helped me find my own answer, which solve my problem. It took me more than 24 hours to get it working right, so yeah.

@NordTheLoftyWizard Oh. So you accidentally reversed your upvote. You should have said that in the firsr place.

@PM2Ring yeah, that's true. I knew he might be fine with that if I asked, but I don't know why, at the moment when it happened, I thought this was a bad idea for some reason

@PM2Ring yeah :) that's what happened

Frankly, if I'd answered that question I'd be more annoyed that you'd accepted your self-answer, rather than one of the experts' answers.

even if my answer solve my problem with something that wasn't mentioned? (and was thanks to the other answers)

I mean if you try each answer based on the example I gave on the post, you'll see what I mean

(mine is pretty interactive, although I made it on Windows, but it should work fine on Linux)

FWIW, I have a Tkinter bronze tag badge, but I rarely answer on SO these days. Bryan is a world expert on Tkinter, and was coding in Tcl/Tk long before Tkinter existed.

@NordTheLoftyWizard Yeah, ok. If your self-answer more fully covers stuff that you mentioned in the question, then I guess it is appropriate to accept it.

And next time you have a problem on SO, consider asking about it in the Python room. ;) We do have mods that visit regularly (including some of the room owners), although I must admit I haven't seen a mod there for the last few weeks.

@PM2Ring I think you were there at the time, but I already asked about the subject of that question on the Python chat (I mean, like, I'm always there anyway, I thought this was obvious :P)

Kevin helped, as well as Aran. I managed to find some clues but it was far from a full implementation like the one you see on my own answer, so I went and asked on SO

@PM2Ring I know that. I use Tkinter so much, I'd be green to not know him! (pun intended)

@PM2Ring you didn't try it then? :/ (joking)

In all seriousness though, I respect everyone else work. Whether they are expert or not. I take in their past work, but I only make a distinction on what they say/write, not who they are. I'm sure I can even learn something valuable with someone who isn't well known and have 0 reputation, but that's beside the point.

I don't even remotely think of myself highly. I always think others probably have better judgment/knowledge than me, but that doesn't mean I think I can't find the answer myself (even when others don't know them). If you let reputation dissuade you of otherwise, I guess that's fine too, but that's not really how I function, to be honest.

@NordTheLoftyWizard I would try it, but I'm on my phone, so I don't have Tkinter.

ah, that's fair. I recall you told me you mostly use your phone + Sage. I'm still amazed on what you can do with just that.

@NordTheLoftyWizard Excellent. Still, Bryan is a Tkinter expert, with a good track record. It's very hard to out-score him on Tkinter answers. But he does sometimes misunderstand the question, and in those cases you can get an answer that's not very helpful.

I know he is, I never denied that. I even thanked him with the other answerer, and for good reason. I also don't care even if my answer were to be negative score, because I didn't made that just for reputation/out-scoring them :) I made this for myself and for the possibility that this might help someone else who does something similar (even as unlikely as it is).

I think it's reasonable to have misunderstood my question. This happen to all of us, so I don't hold anyone accountable (even if my post was more verbose/detailed than usual, but still).

I only post on SO/SE, because I want answers. Even when answering someone question, I learn things that I happen to need in other projects, so it doesn't matter to me if I get downvoted, really.

I must admit that it can be hard to understand your posts sometimes. I think that you would get more upvotes on your answers if they were more clearly written and used better grammar.

I feel bad, complaining about someone's English, when I can't read or write any other language very well. What's your mother tongue?

@PM2Ring French.

@PM2Ring I mean, I'm pretty sure some posts I made were decently written. I even saw people who made posts and "allegedly" were born in the US/English country, and yet, the answers seemed as though they didn't understand the question/post. So that can't be the only reason here :)

@NordTheLoftyWizard Ah! I can still read French, to an extent, but I don't think I could write it or speak it very well. I studied it over 45 years ago.

Plenty of native English speakers are sloppy, and / or use bad grammar. Some of the best writers on the network aren't native speakers.

Some of the Dutch people here write excellent English, although some of them tend to mix up "then" and "than". ;)

I make lots of mistakes. So I always check stuff before submitting. Some mistakes still get through, though. Maybe I should use a larger font...

@PM2Ring I don't think this is the only reason I don't have enough upvotes. I noticed some people even admitted (although partially) to upvoting without really reading the answer/post. If they admit it, I wouldn't be surprised if many others do that. Some probably see reputation as the sole indicator of knowledge, so I only get upvotes from people who really tried my answers, and noticed that it solved the problem of the question.

But as already stated, I'm not here for upvotes. I just want answers :)

@PM2Ring I see :o interesting. I don't think I ever met someone who studied a language for so long, I'm impressed.

@PM2Ring Heard that before too. But I'm not one to talk :P

@PM2Ring Yeah, noticed it as well.

@PM2Ring Thankfully, I don't really notice if people make mistakes, as long as it's decently formatted, and "readable". It's hard to really detail, but I guess it depends.

@NordTheLoftyWizard No, it's not the only reason. But it does have an impact. Answers should be clear, as well as being technically correct. I don't upvote unclear answers, even if the code works. If there are a couple of minor grammatical errors, I may fix them myself, but I can't do that if I'm not sure of what the author is trying to say.

@PM2Ring I would consider that 'too mild'. I really want something like those really poisonous frogs, that paralyze, cause a really, really bad trip or death :P

But most of my answers aren't technically incorrect, right? (beside the couple of minor grammatical errors). I'm pretty sure I may have done some on Unix.SE, but usually people are kind enough to tell me in the comments, or I notice it myself based on the other answers/after some time thinking.

@Tinkeringbell The authorities might frown on that. ;)

@NordTheLoftyWizard I suspect you misunderstood me. ;) I studied French for approximately 5 years, during the 1970s.

@PM2Ring Give me one answer/question I did that: 1. shows a decent amount of grammatical errors, 2. is of decent quality (I would prefer if you don't take into account the first couple of question/answers I did since I admit they were of bad quality...), 3. Solve/Detail the problem (respectively, for Answer/Question).

I also did some linguistics study, and learned about grammatical structures in various languages, but I didn't learn much vocabulary of those languages.

If you find those, I'll admit I still make a substantial amount of errors and work on them. If you don't find any, I'll still work on it, but I would probably feel better about it.

@PM2Ring ah, guess those things happen. Told you so!

@NordTheLoftyWizard I haven't run all the code in all your answers. But I have read the code in most of them, and it looks correct.

If you slowly work on your old answers, trying to improve the text, I promise to read them, and consider upvoting them. Just ping me in the Python room.

@PM2Ring I see, I guess I can feel good about this at least. :) Thanks for your assessment

@PM2Ring Do you mean that for SO or (Unix)SE? I did most of my answers/questions on the latter, but I'm slowly working on doing more on the former.

@NordTheLoftyWizard On SO. But I guess I can look on U&L too. I don't visit that site much these days, and my Linux knowledge is getting a bit rusty.

I see, I'll try my best then, thanks :D

@rene Not exactly a design flaw, but possibly quite intentional. From what I've seen on MSO, the site regulars prefer to keep the link to meta from main as obscure as possible, believing it will be overrun with new user queries/complaints if not. Just look at the reception to my two posts on enabling the new-user-ask-about-own-post feature there.

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog From what I've seen, that OP is likely to hit a question ban soon on Physics.SE.

@Nord BTW, if you ever want to discuss mathematics, French is permitted in the main Math.SE chatroom.

@PM2Ring I think I went there once, but my knowledge in mathematics are so low, I think I'll probably be ashamed. Maybe later...

@NordTheLoftyWizard Basic questions in algebra and geometry are welcome there, unless the question is so basic that you could Google the answer in 5 seconds. But we don't like questions that are poorly written, vague, ambiguous, unclear, etc. So a clear question written in French is much better than an unclear question written in English.

I mean, I can be just as unclear in French too you know? :P But I get what you mean (for the "Google the answer in 5 seconds" part).

Anyway, I might go there if I renew my interest in that field, but for now, I'm not really up for the challenge yet. Mostly have many projects on the back burner that needs to be done first before I even consider doing that.

Ted, the main room owner there, did French in college. Mathematics PhD students are expected to be able to read mathematics in several languages, and they were more strict about that when Ted was a student.

I see :o interesting

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@Tinkeringbell That thing... belongs in situ for proper investigation with context!

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I meant meta as a research source / knowledge base, not a place to go whine about specific needs for an OP. We really need to hammer home that not all questions should be posted, just like they did on Yahoo! Answers. All the post-ban questions have a single goal: How can I keep posting my not useful content to this community. It has to stop. Tweet about it. It is time for The Truth.

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I admit it got a bit boring over time ;)

@rene Most questions are always useful, except maybe for "homework" or question made without any clear effort (no formatting, no reproducibility, no details, etc). It's highly subjective and dependent on the fields/context it's tied to.

see this for example: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/421398/… Clearly, this wasn't worth a close vote, now imagine the same/similar situation, but with other flags (delete, etc). With enough of them, anyone could be banned from asking question, even if they were fine (based on the site standard)

Someone even mentioned not knowing any of the fields/context it's tied to but flagged it just based on the words used instead of the context it's tied to.

@NordTheLoftyWizard maybe for other sites. On SO I beg to differ if most questions asked today are useful.

give me one example, so we're on the same page. (if you don't mind).

@NordTheLoftyWizard this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/74500777/… ? or just sit in the regex tag for a minute and all that is posted goes into the not useful bin.

Some questions are useful, but they are not suitable for SE, thus making them not useful.

@rene I must admit, that one is bad yeah. But it applies to what I said earlier: It shows little sign of effort, doesn't explain what was tried or what doesn't work in more detail, and also doesn't allow reproducibility, since there is only a single line of code (which is probably part of something bigger, although I don't know C#).

I can understand not being able to show your complete code, but at least, make a MRE for your specific problem.

@MetaAndrewT. I feel like it's much more ambiguous than that: I can show you two questions I asked on SE, and they would be closed 100% or even deleted if I didn't rephrase it in such a way that I knew it wouldn't be perceived as bad quality. It's all about the wording.

*some questions.

Also, you're right that some questions are useful but just not for SO/SE. I can think of certain types of question such as "how does X work". In a lot of contexts, it would be closed/deleted, even though sometimes it's legitimate. Other like "how to implement X algorithm" might be closed depending on where it's posted, etc.

@MetaAndrewT. lol wat

@PM2Ring idea: electric frog. like an electric fence, but it's a frog

plz-delete blockchain need one more, alive for 23 hours (!!!) @rene @Mith @Spe @Glor @Sonic

gone

@Mithical thanks! Hope it means you feel better? ;)

still not breathing well, but alive :)

@Mithical that's good, I guess. :D

@Tinkeringbell I think this will be the time I will stop supporting / playing pokemon games.

The state this game was released in is pathetic

I can't even remember when it was the last time I had a Nintendo game crashing on me. Hopefully this will make Nintendo rethink their partnership with GF.

@SPArcheon I haven't started yet. I fled to a friend's home today as the neighbor was making an awful lot of noise again. Had the most delightful nap on her couch.

Well... while claims like "This ruined my tv screen now the game menu is burned on the screen" are probably troll....

the performance and the glaring number of bug - including clipping, characters stuck in T pose, missing textures, frame drops ecc are really severe.

@Tinkeringbell can't really see much hope for a patch given the state it is now.

I'll see. I'll try to give it a try again tomorrow. There were a lot of people complaining about similar things with Arceus and I never really noticed any of it.

@Makyen I don't see how the second part of my comment doesn't concord with the first part of my comment. If the question was deleted more than 30 days later, the fact that it's deleted is ignored, which means it's treated the same as a non-deleted question.

For context, the comment:

(ah, I did mistype "ago" instead of "later" which is probably what caused the confusion)

mornin