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3:06 AM

Why does `{"mode":"full","isActive":false}` appear when I copy TeX input from "MathJax Equation Source"?
Is it some new feature or a bug?

rene

6:08 AM

@Wolgwang what/where is that? On which site?

Wolgwang

6:43 AM

@rene Math SE

rene

@Wolgwang Ì can't repro. What are you copying and where are you pasting?

Rob

7:04 AM

@rene Probably here, unless you are asking for an exact link (which would be useful):

rene

That works for me. So still no repro. I'm on Chrome Win 10

Wolgwang

Now if I select all text(by ctrl+a) and then paste it.

After choosing 'TeX Commands'

Rob

7:20 AM

A specific URL would possibly be better, but I'll try a random one. The only bug I've noticed is that frequently (but not always) it truncates the last character.

Wolgwang

Example

Rob

A little MJ humor:

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@EkadhSingh Not really. "Return" in SE terms means back to being active in site(s), posting content or at least commenting. That still didn't happen, she just gave her (awesome) opinion over something very important. Hopefully, with time and correct steps from management, she will indeed return. :)

She also posted some "ads" for codidact, e.g.

2

A: Community Ads for 2021

@Wolgwang I don't see any way to reach what you mentioned earlier (viewing the source) so must be some userscript that you're using; contact whoever wrote it, they might be able to fix it.

Rob

@Wolgwang Tried many locations, no repro. --- Plug-in problem?, try starting browser with all extensions disabled.

Wolgwang

So when you copy "\frac{\textrm{d}y}{\textrm{d}x}" by Ctrl+A ,and paste it,"{"mode":"full","isActive":false}" does not appear?

Right?

Rob

7:30 AM

correct, for us it's WYSIWYG

Wolgwang

Ohk

Thanks. Lemme try it on different devices.

rene

@Wolgwang still no repro.

Rob

7:44 AM

@Wolgwang Googling, I found these: stackoverflow.com/q/68347440/3648282 and (look at the bottom of the webpage): michelleplayswithfire.tumblr.com/post/646663145234087936

The second example shows how a webpage can break.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Happy Eid al-Adha to whoever celebrate it! :D

@SmokeDetector k

Rob

So, maybe you have some plug-in (like an AD blocker) that is confused by the webpage (which Sha says he examined the source, and found nothing; though it could be buried in a CSS or JS) and it's breaking something; but it's odd that you can copy something invisible, not sure that's an intended behavior, maybe try selecting only the text you want to copy (instead of CTRL-A).

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Does that mean I don't have to work? If so, I'm in.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Tinkeringbell declare being Muslim and you can probably do it... :)

@Rob it's not "copy something invisible", most likely. I'm almost certain some JS code listens to the "copy" event, and replace the copied text with something else. It's common (from what I've seen) in news sites, which add the source (page URL) when users copy from articles.

And userscripts are exactly that: chunks of hidden JS doing whatever the author want.

Journeyman Geek

8:00 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 it's tomorrow

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 I'm of the opinion that people should be able to get day of for every religious holiday, otherwise the ones without much holidays are discriminated against ;)

There is also the opinion that we should just get rid of religious, mandatory holidays all together, but where's the fun in that?!

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@JourneymanGeek no? Or maybe it's region based? Here in Israel it's today. :)

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell we get roughly 2 per ethic group tho one of the indian ones is shared with the Buddhists

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 maybe

Ryan M

Personally I'm of the opinion that someone needs to come up with a holiday in March.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@JourneymanGeek oh, you're correct, my bad.

> Eid al-Adha 2021 will begin in the evening of Monday, 19 July

Tinkeringbell

8:03 AM

@RyanM An early Easter will be at the end of March ;)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

So evening of July 19 here is already July 20 for you, I guess?

@Tinkeringbell lol, send letter to your government. Good luck! :D

Ryan M

@Tinkeringbell That timing sounds about right for people who get Presidents' Day off here, at least :-)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 So far, we might get Keti Koti (because America got Juneteenth, and we can't not copy the US!)... Usually I don't mind much, but it made me realize I probably much rather have those days to plan as I see fit: Keti Koti will be on the same date each year, which means it will also fall in the middle of the week at some point, which I find annoying XD

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@RyanM become Jewish then, usually either Purim or Passover fall on March: umass.edu/orsl/resources/jewish/holidays/calendar ;)

Tinkeringbell

@RyanM I want a President's Day too... We have Kingsday, but another one for our minister-president sounds like a good idea :D

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

8:09 AM

@Tinkeringbell heh, well that's a fair holiday.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 About as fair as Christmas or Liberation Day: You're essentially forced to take a day off work even though you might not celebrate it :P

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Tinkeringbell same here, probably anywhere; Just part of life. ;)

Rob

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Making of a meme: Know your own holiday

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

We have long holidays, and many places decide to just shut down for whole week, on the expense of the employees. (Passover, usually.)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 I don't see it happening any time soon anyways. Christmas is a 'good' holiday: It makes money for a lot of people. So does liberation day or kingsday: lots of festivals and sales of orange stuff. Keti Koti isn't marketable (yet?) :P

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Yeah, that's what I find sucks the most here too. The client I work for decided to shut down for Liberation Day (once every 5 years that's a national holiday, but only if your contract/union says so) and as such I had to spend my own PTO on it.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

8:13 AM

@Tinkeringbell yeah that's true.

Tinkeringbell

Anyhow... today is not a holiday for me so I guess I should get back to work! (at least for an hour or so :P )

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Tinkeringbell :(

We'll miss you, Tink!

Tinkeringbell

"I'll be back". There's at least one meeting this afternoon ;)

Martin

It seems that several questions tagged merging have been retagged recently: data.stackexchange.com/meta.stackexchange/query/1038474/… data.stackexchange.com/meta.stackexchange/query/1038477/…

I'd guess this is result of the discussion here: Why are we [merging] all of these concepts together?.

I only noticed because two suggested edits on one question of mine: meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/78814 meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/78826

So the plan is to get rid of merging completely and to replace it by more specific tags?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Martin well, yes. What about it?

Unless there is reasonable resistance to tag burninate/retagging request, users will go out and perform the changes.

Ryan M

8:24 AM

semi-related: I need to figure out a witty burnination title for the recent tag... It's not good, but I'm also not sure what exactly to do with it. Some of the stuff might need new tags.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Martin yes, making the site bit more organized this way. :)

Martin

Ok, so probably I should approve the suggested edits linked above - it is a part of this process.

BTW the mods could blacklist the tag - so that it cannot be added to new questions. (Maybe they already did that...?)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Martin oh, suggested? Usually users with full edit privilege perform this.

Ryan M

@Martin Regrettably, only devs can blacklist, and they almost never do

Martin

Oh yes, you're right!

In any case, there are about 40 occurrences of merging. That can be manually removed quite quickly, if there are some users committed to that action.

Ryan M

8:27 AM

basically you'd need a really good reason, like that people keep recreating it and it can't be dealt with any other way...which, given the (lack of) question volume on MSE, is unlikely for MSE tags

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@RyanM dunno about title, sorry, lol. But like the merging, there are more tags related to it that needs nuking/retagging.

Wolgwang

@Rob Thanks :-). It is working fine after resetting the chrome. Most probably some extension was interfering.

Ryan M

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Yeah, I think you're correct. Do you share the opinion that recent itself is a problem tag, though?

Rob

@Wolgwang We are glad to have been able to help.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@RyanM not a problem, just something that can be changed to make the site bit better.

But also no harm leaving it be. :)

Ryan M

8:33 AM

Ah, I think that's probably what I was trying to say.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Up to you, really. I won't object, and you'll get some rep. ;)

Ryan M

Well, right now what I need to get is some sleep. Good night o/

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

!!/sleep Ryan

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 No such command 'sleep'.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

:(

hmm

!!/put Ryan in bed

SmokeDetector

8:35 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 No such command 'put'.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

bah

Expected output: puts @Ryan in bed

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 puts @ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 in bed

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

!!!

falling from bed due to sheer surprise

calling a doctor

That said, my son actually fell from a bed a week ago, he slept in my sister's house. :/

Rob

Lucky he's not me, I like the top bunk.

I guess it's a cat thing:

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Rob you still sleep in a two bunk bed??

@Rob oh. lol ;)

Well at home he also sleep in two bunk bed on top (4 y/o daughter sleep in the bottom bunk) but he has a "fence" protecting him.

Something like this:

Daily order from McDonalds. ;)

Rob

8:52 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 I see the drawbacks: thelocal.at/20150626/…

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Rob huh! Poor man. Or genius, if it was all planned.

Luckily my son weight is bit less than that man, so no need to worry. :D

(he's 24kg I think)

Rob

9:06 AM

reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3oj2eu/…

Anyone who weighs something more than an insect suffers fall damage.

Especially when onto a cement floor:

Meta Andrew T.

9:29 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 it's tomorrow for us :X

John Dvorak

9:40 AM

@Rob pretty sure that's ceramic

(inb4 r/w.*)

Journeyman Geek

Naw, its cement

John Dvorak

could be fake tiles, as in PVC

easier to lay, cheaper, feels better barefoot, slight fall damage reduction

Journeyman Geek

you just pour concrete and trowvel it

its cheaper and no one cars if prisoners fall off and hurt themselves

John Dvorak

this doesn't look like concrete

Journeyman Geek

Its concrete

I have literally seen the same sort in hipster offices and 90 schools

Rob

9:45 AM

@JohnDvorak See the joints in the tile?, just pry it up with your spoon; leading to a manhole and a luxury train (complete with food car) that takes you directly home. ➡️

John Dvorak

@Rob but that skips 90% of the game

Journeyman Geek

I think those are just laid in with rebar

John Dvorak

Pretty good CGI, but the matte mirror gives it away

Wolf

@GWarner ^^

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Rob sure, meant there's smaller risk of his bunk falling down like the prison case.

@JourneymanGeek well prison manager should care, as they have to be treated and it's not cheap. Pretty sure "Keeping the prisoners alive and not injured" appears in any prison contract. ;)

@Rob too shiny and clean.

This looks much more real ^

Rob

9:59 AM

@JohnDvorak Digging is the difficult part, it can take a year:

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Previous might appear in some prison ad? ;)

Rob

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@Wolf why would Mr. Warner be interesting in a lying man?

Rob

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Too new and luxurious, a palace compared to Manila or Venezuela, etc.:

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Rob well that's not ordinary prison cell

John Dvorak

10:16 AM

That's the entire prison

Rob

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 It's fairly common, get sent here instead:

Inside Saudi Arabia's gilded prison at Riyadh Ritz-Carlton - BBC News

►

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@JohnDvorak nah just the bad boys

After beating the good boys

:D

But looks like it's staged, they actually smile.

@Rob scary

Rob

You can book a room: marriott.com/reservation/…

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

10:31 AM

> Your session timed out, but you can start a new hotel search below.

Meta Andrew T.

Your session timed out, please reserve a hotel room first.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

:D

Rob

Comes with guillotine.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Rob you booked already?

Rob

You are country blocked.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

11:09 AM

> Backfill was successful on meta, running on a smaller site now - assuming success, rest of the network is next.

Wonder which "smaller site"? ;)

Rob

There's 3 of similar size (number of users or would lower traffic and fewer complaints be the factor): stackexchange.com/sites#users

user728672

11:44 AM

@Wolf Yes, even my cat loving sister nearly fainted when she found out I had half a dozen cats. :)

user728672

Prison cells, guillotines, and cats.. must be Monday.

rene

@Tinkeringbell or @ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 mind dupe voting this meta.stackexchange.com/q/367589 with the two links the OP provided in their comment.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

12:22 PM

@GWarner Blue Monday

@rene which comment?

rene

12:40 PM

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 this one: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/367589/…

user728672

just saying. the answer under that one that is only a screen shot and does nothing to describe the actions needed in text or ALT ... smh

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@rene hmm. Sorry not sure enough to hammer. The new one suggests to do it 100% automatically, the others not really.

user728672

I asked an OP yesterday if they had accepted an answer or resolved their question to their 6 year old question, I got a response and they accepted one. Woo hoo!

user728672

not to muddle the conversation of course

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Urging users to accept answers is frowned upon, but maybe only if it's your own answers. All in all, having or not having accepted answer isn't a big deal.

user728672

1:03 PM

I understood that. I didn't ask directly, I asked as if I needed a solution and wondered what they had done.

user728672

I generally don't. I just happenedd to see they were online yesterday.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@GWarner I see. All good! :)

user728672

Oh I would never press someone to accept an nanswer of mine. Much less solicit for upvotes to questions I composed for others.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@GWarner but what did I miss yesterday with a lying man? (Which Wolf posted)

user728672

Yea I can be sneaky.

user728672

1:07 PM

I think he was showing amazement that I had 8 cats (fainted)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@GWarner good to hear, sadly many do (did? Long time since I actually looked into it) it, and give bad reputation to the site.

@GWarner ohhh. LOL

knocking on my thick head

user728672

Im merely making points 2 at a time by adding ALT text to posts

user728672

but ive taken a break

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

And yeah, reverse search showing it's indeed an image of "fainting". lol

@GWarner why?

user728672

oh i was doing the limit every day for a week for 5 different sites. And i kept getting distracted by all the cats. :)

user728672

1:17 PM

And 1 site would take a week to review the edits. it was maddening

user728672

and the query is only refreshed once a week, so i lost track.

user728672

i picked up a RunDLL virus in the meantime and though I eliminated it, It has done its damage so i keep getting a pop up..

user728672

maddening.

user728672

I made some hardware changes so old restore points dont work.

user728672

so ive been holding off on the cloned drive i created in december

user728672

1:23 PM

too much to do in the meantime

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Well yeah this explain it, I guess. Sorry to hear about all your problems! :/

user728672

ALT text was rejected. i was just following the exmaple of the first screen shot :)

Mithical

@GWarner link?

user728672

oh i edited a post , and didnt provide a detailed ALT text

user728672

im not debating it

user728672

1:27 PM

I can always null the ALT text since the image doesnt ADD to the text alrwady given

user728672

@GWarner that is not how alt texts work. Describe what is to be seen in the image, not what the image is. — Luuklag 6 mins ago

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@GWarner sure it's a virus? Because this one isn't.

Just some Windows weirdness, usually can be solved with some Windows tools.

user728672

BRB i deleted the screenshot. i need to restart or log out to recreate the error

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

waiting for @GWar to be back

user728672

gonna reply to this comment first to my edit

user728672

1:40 PM

hmmm ill give it minute. then I will restart, it will definitely show then.

user728672

But it was essentially the same error message. But it was a .dat file created by the virus, that was detected and dealt with. But the damage was done. And i havent been able to remedy it.

user728672

Restart.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

1:57 PM

@JNat hacked account, see latest post on that site. not sure but IMO best to suspend until this can be checked. Spammer with 50 rep is very bad.

user728672

Ollie

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 s'not hacked, just 2 accounts working together, like a troll. Is that unusual?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Ollie you linked to same question twice. Some joke being missed?

(e.g. 1 && 1 is actually 1?)

Ollie

One sec

Fixed.

JNat

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 cleared sessions

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

2:00 PM

@Ollie kaboomed

Ollie

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 good, good.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Ollie OP was normal user for over a year.

Ollie

Oh.

Yeah they've got some decent posts as well.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Ollie exactly :)

@JNat thanks! Now need to keep an eye...

Ollie

Just give 'em a spanking + suspension, they won't do it again.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

2:01 PM

Also might be case of account selling.

I play a game where it's common to sell accounts, there are whole groups for that.

Feeds

Privacy is an afterthought in the software lifecycle. That needs to change.

Ryan Donovan on July 19, 2021

The key to combining privacy and innovation is baking it into the SDLC. Analogous to application security’s (AppSec) upstream shift into the development cycle, privacy belongs at the outset of development, not as an afterthought. Here’s why.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Instead of spending $5000 to upgrade your own n00b account to be in top ranks, you can spend only $200 and buy such account from someone who retires.

@Feeds what's privacy?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Hmm. Anyone want to offer me anything for mine? :P It comes with mod privileges! XD

Ollie

@Tinkeringbell $2500?

user728672

I am looking at a new name for this account...

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

2:04 PM

Read recently that China now scans internal organs (!) of their citizens and using it to track and identify them.

Tinkeringbell

@Ollie Seriously, that cheap? :(

:P

Ollie

@Tinkeringbell rubs hands together Name yuh price.

user728672

You mean you dont have a an RFID chip yet? Why not? :)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 That's going to mess with harvesting them for the black market!

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@GWarner sure I have, it's part of the COVID vaccine. No? ;)

Tinkeringbell

2:05 PM

@Ollie I don't know... XD I never really thought about it, to be honest.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

beep

rene

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 good luck viewing mine ... the smell ....

Ollie

Of flowers?

user728672

The wire nose clip in our masks are tracking us.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Tinkeringbell $250 and guided tour in Israel. :D

Tinkeringbell

2:06 PM

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Way too hot. And if I get hit by a rocket while there, you're getting off cheap.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@GWarner what? Why?

Ollie

@Tinkeringbell $450 and a fast drive around the Tail of the Dragon.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Tinkeringbell nah they don't need to do it ;)

@rene smell of MRI scan result? :P

curious

→ 61 messages moved to Chimney

cough cough

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

achoo

user728672

2:08 PM

VERIFY: Viral video claims face masks have 5G wires inside

►

Tinkeringbell

@curious Somehow, this keeps reminding me of that pink lady from Harry Potter... Forgot her name...

Ollie

Umbridge?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@GWarner oh missed that before lol. Yeah, looks like a zombie virus.

Ollie

hem, hem

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Dolores Umbridge

Tinkeringbell

2:10 PM

That one, yes!

Two coughs, 'hem hem'...

:P

user728672

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 I tried replacing the DLL with a good one. Cant find anything in the registry..

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@GWarner it's not the DLL, it's the app it's trying to execute.

It still tries to auto-run somewhere.

user728672

Well the extension was removed and antivirus quarantined the .dat file. So you think I need to reinstall the extension so MBAM can find it and isolate it as whole?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@GWarner try the answer here. sysinternals got some neat tools, it might just work.

@Tinkeringbell well, it will be in a car with AC, you won't feel the heat. ;) And no rockets here for long time! :P

Tinkeringbell

I'll still pass, thanks. Travelling is not good for me :)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

2:17 PM

@Tinkeringbell :(

So $250 and I'll come over and wash your dishes for 30 days. :D

Ollie

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 AC is waaaaaay overrated. Open the windows and go quickly.

Tinkeringbell

... I already have a dishwasher.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Ollie no? lol... that's sure way to get roasted.

curious

@Tinkeringbell I think life caught up with me as Harry Potter came out, I'm terribly ignorant of most of HP. That's a funky top though

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Wind is so hot you'll be driving a mobile BBQ.

:D

rene

2:18 PM

@Tinkeringbell patatje oorlog at Bram Ladage ... you pay ...

Tinkeringbell

@rene Tempting :P

But no!

Ollie

I'm going to have to learn some Dutch.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

My kids started using "secret" language too lol

rene

@Tinkeringbell but it is at Bram! you can't resist that!

user728672

fries war at Bram Ladage

Ollie

2:19 PM

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 we just use sign language.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Ollie "we" as the parents? Nice!

@Tinkeringbell nooooooo.... hmm.... so $250 and I'll fold your laundry for 30 days. :D

Ollie

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 no, "we" as in "kids to young adults".

Tinkeringbell

@rene Mmm... The "cafetaria" here 'in't dorp' makes a pretty great 'catamaran' though...

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Ollie ohhh. lol. And you still do it? ;)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 That's quite expensive, I'm sure I can find someone to do that for cheaper :P

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

2:21 PM

@rene did you offer @Tink a romantic date?! ;)

Ollie

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 yep, proves very useful when it comes to discussing desserts in front of the 5-year old ;)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

checking all those words

user728672

bramladage.nl

rene

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 having her pay for her and my food is not really romantic, at least not in my book. I would say it is pretty rude.

user728672

A fries restaurant? Hmm tyou ant a hamberger and Coke with that?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

2:23 PM

@rene ohh you bribe her with food!!

Typical. :D

rene

Yean, I'm an awful person

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@GWarner snackbar

Tinkeringbell

@rene Finally a man that values my financial independence :P

rene

:D

Tinkeringbell

Assuming I can't even pay for two is ruder, I think :P

user728672

2:25 PM

They won't deliver to US. :(

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Tinkeringbell umm meant I'll give you $250, and also in addition fold laundry, all just to get your account. :D

@GWarner take recipe, make your own. Become rich. ;)

Tinkeringbell

Hahaha I guess we're done haggling here :P I'm not going to sell ;)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

:(

watching the grand dream vaporize

user728672

I sold my ICQ account

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

lol

Tinkeringbell

2:26 PM

@GWarner It's quite easy: Fry fries, add mayonaisse and peanut sauce, and raw onions: patatje oorlog.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@GWarner so if I get a call from "G Warner", it's not really you in there? ;)

user728672

nope

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Good to know, noted. :P

user728672

ICQ finally died like 6 years a go i think

user728672

oh wow re released?

user728672

2:28 PM

hmmm

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@GWarner yeah, as Russian spy tool.

user728672

i saw that..

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

I won't touch it with a stick lol, even though I don't really care for my own privacy that much.

user728672

well whats old is new... kids were ZOOMing 50 years ago...

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Prefer the known lack of privacy of WhatsApp.

user728672

2:34 PM

yeah

user728672

Zoom Episode one - intro

►

user728672

time to head out.

Mithical

That dredges up memories I forgot I had.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

2:58 PM

lol

Wolgwang

4:20 PM

How quick are 'Quicker notifications'?

Ollie

@Wolgwang In chat? Pretty much instant. Ping me and I'll show ya

Wolgwang

@Ollie Pinged

Mithical

...only if you're not currently in chat, though, or haven't spoken for a while.

Ollie

@Mithical forgot that...

Mithical

If you're actively in chat it'll still take around five minutes to get to your inbox AFAICT.

Wolgwang

4:22 PM

I can read messages that one deletes after sending(ofc pinging). 😈

Ollie

So can anyone with a quick POST request, with or without pinging.

Wolgwang

@Ollie POST request?

Ollie

@Wolgwang en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…. And I was mistaken, you can't do that with the history.

Mithical

5:37 PM

poof

Ollie

@rene done both already

Mithical

poof x2

rene

\o/

Spevacus

5:59 PM

@rene Will be 20k one day D:

Mithical

Random downvote on a question "Asked 4 years, 6 months ago | Active 4 years, 6 months ago | Viewed 32 times" (closed as dupe). :thinking_emoji:

Spevacus

Potentially trying to get it roomba'd?

Mithical

...possibly, although I don't see why anyone would care.

Spevacus

Seems to be happening rather often lately. The Recently Deleted section of the 10k tools will show a host of stuff deleted by RemoveAbandonedClosed that had just gotten a random downvote, taking the score to -1 or something similar.

rene

6:23 PM

@Spevacus get some rep, will you ... ;)

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

I really don't like when users use downvotes to work around the fact that they don't have delete-voting privileges

Spevacus

@rene Fiiiine... But only because you said so ;D

rene

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I use all tools at my disposal to get rid of stuff

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Mainly because these can't be reviewed for deletion easily, unlike with actual delete votes

You can see a list of questions with pending delete votes, but not questions with downvotes slated to hit the Roomba

Spevacus

Isn't there an awesome userscript somewhere that'll display roomba-bound posts?

Or is that SO-only.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

6:31 PM

It's effectively privilege escalation. A single downvote from a 125+ rep user (100+ here) may count the same as three delete votes from 10k+ users for closed questions, or a moderator's vote for open questions

I get that you're trying to clean the site of bad-quality questions. But there should be some review process so that false positives from automatic checks can be detected and salvaged. Also, here on Meta, it wipes out the record of valuable comment discussions, and prevents the same bad idea from being closed as a duplicate. (And I'm sure @rene enjoys hammering those...)

Spevacus

I'm surprised you haven't gotten a hammer yet, Sonic. You're damn close, aren't you?

rene

I get so used to it that I sometimes are disappointed my dupe vote doesn't close a question. Only to find it is tagged bug or feature request

Ryan M

@GWarner setting it to ALT= doesn't "null" it, it sets it to ALT=. Perhaps you meant to set it to the empty string? In any case, I've changed it to describe the images.

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog In a certain sense, it's working as intended: it requires that no one have found the question interesting enough to vote up or answer. That doesn't mean it's perfect, of course.

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Sure you can. Here they are.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

6:46 PM

@RyanM It could also mean that the question quality was just OK enough that it didn't really deserve an upvote or a downvote, and so just sat there at 0 votes.

Or that it was controversially received: +10/-11 doesn't mean that it's universally hated.

Ryan M

If someone wants to delete a question, then hopefully they also think it merits a downvote.

there's a related Shog9 post somewhere...here it is

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@RyanM That's in the context of voting to delete. In that case, I definitely agree.

Ryan M

Yeah, it's not exactly on point, but it's related.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

The score requirement is set as -3 explicitly so that it requires a score of -2 from other voters before it can be deleted. In other words, not merely a majority vote, but a consensus.

Ryan M

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog There's probably a decent argument here that Roomba shouldn't delete posts with a certain number of upvotes, regardless of score.

+10/-11 is a lot different than +0/-1. I have no qualms with the latter being auto-deleted, but the former is concerning even if the last downvote wasn't cast with the explicit intent of deleting the post.

Tinkeringbell

6:57 PM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog RemoveAbandonedQuestions has some very, very specific parameters, including one that means everything with more than 1 comment isn't eligible for deletiong by it.

Granted, RemoveDeadQuestions is apparently less picky.

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