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12:14 AM
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6:28 AM
@rene square head? Missing pants though.
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@JourneymanGeek you're special case :P
 
6:51 AM
Red parrot skull looking at me!
huh. Now on Smokey. Good.
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 boo!
 
7:07 AM
turns around
 
7:54 AM
squeezing myself between @M.A.R and Tink
@Rob is this yours?
/cc @Ollie
 
8:16 AM
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 Not sure why you feel you need to squeeze, there's plenty of room!
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 OI SOCIAL DISTANCING!
 
8:42 AM
33 messages moved to Chimney
 
9:32 AM
@Tinkeringbell tell SE, margin is 0! :shock:
@JourneymanGeek I'm vaccinated, and wearing mask. :D
 
 
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11:29 AM
@Catija out of curiosity, does this old comment of yours still represent your views?
 
Rob
12:07 PM
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 No, it's his:
 
 
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2:08 PM
Ryan Donovan on October 18, 2021
Code quality affects the mental state of a programmer, communication within their team, or the incentives attached to their work is likely to be reflected in their code. Improve your code and you can improve your organizational health and competence as a whole.
 
@EkadhSingh-ReinstateMonica How do you mean?
 
@Feeds onebox business running
 
Rob
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 If only they read that first, there wouldn't be 118 Feedbacks on the Stacks-Editor.
 
@Rob he was only 15
 
Rob
2:23 PM
They started out young back then, 15 is middle aged; less in their case.
 
@Rob so who took the sword from him?
 
Rob
Dunno, but it ended up in Shlomi Katzin's hands.
There is a thousand years between the two times: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompeii en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
 
@Catija do you still agree with what you said in that comment earlier, or do you now disagree with that comment? (specifically the part of the comment that said “do you think the existence of user solutions is part of why SE doesn't implement some of the requests internally?”)
 
@EkadhSingh-ReinstateMonica It's not really possible to agree or disagree with that statement. I asked a question, I didn't indicate my feelings on the subject.
 
it's also... quite old
put another way, it was asked from a vastly different point of view than catija now has, ;)
 
2:39 PM
@Catija your comment implies you oppose userscripts because they cause SE to not implement such requests, since there is already a "solution". But of course, I might be wrong. :)
 
I read it the same way @Shadow did, but I might have misunderstood. My bad.
 
But if I was thinking that way maybe @Ekadh was thinking the same and meant to ask if you still think this way.
 
@EkadhSingh-ReinstateMonica hey, we're in same boat! :D
 
Not to toss shade your way by any means, what you've done is great... but do you think the existence of user solutions is part of why SE doesn't implement some of the requests internally? The user scripts can be troublesome for the segments of user base who aren't familiar with utilizing scripts, which means they're unlikely to use them. — Catija ♦ May 23 '15 at 20:11
It very much is a question + reading on....
 
2:41 PM
It was an honest question. I'd only been using the platform for a few months at that point. I had little understanding of Userscripts or anything else. I had less of a concept of the company. There was no intention behind it - it was me asking a question to better understand what people thought about things.
 
@Catija well think it's clear now. :)
 
(also there was at least once case where a userscript became a feature? -IIRC hebrew input?)
 
if people want something so bad that they'd create/install a userscript for it, maybe it's something worth considering exploring. Their solution may not be the best, but it shows potential problem areas that might need some polishing
 
@JourneymanGeek Hebrew input??
 
Anyway, if you want to just ask "Do you think userscripts prevent SE from building features?" - ... OK?
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 It's used on the Judaism site.
 
2:44 PM
In the meanwhile, I found our boat!
@Catija oh, I'll check this out.
 
also - while indirect, folks used porkchat for 'better' mobile chat before the new mobile chat was a thing
(which I miss... black theme for chat!)
 
@Catija my bad on misunderstanding, sorry.
 
@JourneymanGeek done!
@EkadhSingh-ReinstateMonica sorry is not enough, coffee is due. ;)
!!/coffee Spe
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 brews a cup of Affogato for @Spe
 
2:48 PM
.... actually
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Q: Porkchat: A Chrome extension with lots of chat tweaks!

fredley Install Install from the Chrome Web Store About Porkchat is a Chrome extension that bundles together a lot of scripts I have written for Stack Exchange chat over the years. It is fully configurable - each individual script can be enabled/disabled from the options page. Included Scripts Dark Th...

 
@JourneymanGeek huh, is it still alive?
 
It hasn't had dev since 2017 but chat has beem so static it dosen't matter much
 
I had to stop using Porkchat because for some reason it did something odd... Oh, when I'd open really long messages to "see more", it'd open them in a new tab in a transcript view, for some reason.
 
@Catija Might have been the same for me, I forgot :D
 
@Catija oh my that's weird
Husband can't fix?
 
2:51 PM
Fundamentally though - userscripts are a sign that some feature needs work at least for some people not that the company can totally ignore a feature request because there's a userscript :D
 
Userscripts are a bit different than add-ons.
 
or addons
 
@Catija yeah, guess you'll have to re-write
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 cough
 
2:51 PM
or the chat updates people keep teasing us with
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 /o/
 
the chat extension i use has a few bugs... but you can disable the bugged features
main benefits it has for me is, emoji conversion, paste images, darkmode, and collapsible oneboxes
 
(Personally - while I have no direct/personal use for it, I'd love to see a formal chat API first, so folks can fix the underlying tools before stuff starts changing)
 
don't think it is mobile friendly
 
@KevinB other than emoji, I think that's roughly what porkchat does
and there was a mobile porkchat app
 
2:54 PM
it used to have a code input replacement
but it's broken now
it used CodeMirror
 
The most valuable part of PorkChat is the autocomplete for the TL.
That's what I miss, to be honest.
 
one... "neat" thing it has is it draws a line above each message with a color unique to that user
making it easier to follow messages for a single user in a busy chat
 
@KevinB and heh, part of the value of userscripts as I see it is, it makes it 'easy' to test visual tweaks like that
 
(for some reason... catija shadow and I got assigned the same color...)
 
Scratte has a chat script that changes the username decoration to be per-person, I think?
 
2:57 PM
 
As long as it's green, that's fine.
 
probably a bug
which also reminds me of twitch chat... which allows users to choose a color for their name (not that that specific feature should be a thing here). What it does is it attaches something other than a word to the user that makes it easier to immediately identify who is talking. Here, avatars accomplishes that goal
 
@KevinB Some IRC clients do it randomly IIRC
though god it has been years since I IRCed
 
this one creates uses a hash of the username to create a color
just coincidence then that the three of us have the same color
technically not the same color, they're slightly different. but not enough to differentiate with human eyes
 
3:09 PM
70, 71, and 72 using hsl(n, 50, 50)
 
4:03 PM
@KevinB What is the benefit in "emoji conversion" if you're the only one who sees the result? Doesn't that mean you'll be using emojis but nobody will understand you?
Of course, that is the standard operating procedure when using the awful scourge of our world that are "emojis", but they seem even more annoying and pointless if you have a script that means you see something other than whoever you are talking with.
 
@terdon windows has a built in emoji keyboard now... so I don't think its that....
 
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, as if I didn't have enough reasons to hate windows already :p
 
@Catija NOOO It's not!
 
Oh. Maybe Kevin meant that the script converts the clear, simple, lightweight and legible :) to a huge yellow demented grinning face like 😀
 
@terdon if i type :someemoji: and press space, the extension replaces it with an emoji. 🚽
(and can be edited to add additional conversions with a userscript)
 
4:09 PM
@terdon ;p
 
so it serves teh same purpose as pressing win+.
 
@KevinB oh wow. How horrible. And you actually did this to yourself? You voluntarily installed this?
 
yes
 
@Tinkeringbell I don't think she means parrots, or carrots.
 
(I kid. I'm sure it's fine for you, it just describes my own personal hell)
 
4:09 PM
the emoji bit is such a small part of the overal features this thing adds
 
I would install a userscript that converted 😀 to :) in a second. But never the other way around.
 
@terdon yanno, I was pondering chat reacts to the "if chat gets revived" wishlist hides
 
@JourneymanGeek Only if each room can have custom ones... a bit like discord servers ;D
 
@terdon I like, and once FRed what twitter does in alt-texting all the emoji with tooltips
 
I use emoji as a quiet signal to people that I'm on my phone.
 
4:11 PM
it doesn't conver things in the chat, only in your input box before you submit
 
It's easier when I'm on my phone to use emoji than it is to use :)
 
lol
opposite for me
 
but it does convert :) in the input box
after pressing space
 
It's the aesthetics for me. I find :) far less distracting and more pleasing to the eye then a giant, Simmpsons-esque yellow face with an exaggerated facial expression.
 
I'd like an additional one that converts :shrug: to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but i'm too lazy to make it a thing.
effectively the feature is obsolete now with win+.
but i still find it easier to type :whatever: than to use win+. when i know what i'm looking for
 
4:15 PM
... I'm not sure what does it but something already does that conversion for me... but it doesn't add the extra backslash, so it's missing an arm. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
 
They should expand into these: speakwithadam.com/emoji-in-real-life
 
@terdon Those remind me a bit of Graham: meetgraham.com.au
 
@Tinkeringbell Oh dang. Didn't know that one!
 
It's fun to learn about Graham ;) He was in the news quite a bit, and one of those weird facts that immediately stick in that weird brain of mine XD
 
@Tinkeringbell that looks like a sontaran
 
4:22 PM
Oh, and for gender balance: Here's Emma... another art project ;) Slightly better looking than Graham though :) [edited to add non-paywalled link]
 
5:10 PM
It's becoming increasingly hard to query SO via SEDE thanks to the execution timeout... this post by @rene seems relevant. The query I'm trying to run is this, but it happens with seemingly every query I run on SO.
 
5:25 PM
Problem #1: Outdated answers
Problem #2: SEDE times out
Solution to both: truncate table posts
 
A bug just popped up for me where when I click on a review item that says it has items to review, the review page is empty. Can anybody else reproduce? (FYI I found this bug here it currently has 1 item to review.)
 
I'm not seeing anything on that page, but I don't have any privileges there.
@VoteDukakis Thanks.
 
@EkadhSingh-ReinstateMonica IIRC it means there's items in the queue but you have already reviewed it?
 
Wouldn’t that say “the queue is empty” rather than just being blank?
I’m guessing it’s a of this bug
 
5:47 PM
@Ollie remove [User Link] from that query and see if it runs then.
 
6:00 PM
The bug is now raised on meta by Glorfindel.
 
6:40 PM
@EkadhSingh-ReinstateMonica it's (most likely) not, and for the record, I vehemently dislike that tag. Up to the point that I'm considering to synonymize it into .
 
6:55 PM
@JNat can you put this NSFW account on your destroy backlog?
 
@rene reset their profile
 
okay
 
sorry, I meant I did it
not saying "do it"
:P
 
also fine. I nuked the profile on my end anyway
 
also suspended them network-wide
so they shouldn't be able to add it back
 
6:58 PM
awesome! Thanks!
 
 
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8:25 PM
@Glorfindel shouldn’t you post a meta q first to see if there is community consensus? (I know you already posted one, but that one is old.)
 
8:36 PM
@EkadhSingh-ReinstateMonica well, it's not that important.
 
9:09 PM
Who’s the longest lasting SE employee now?
 
 
Rob
@EkadhSingh-ReinstateMonica Jeff was here 2 days ago and Joel 4 months, he's still listed as staff: meta.stackexchange.com/users/1/jeff-atwood meta.stackexchange.com/users/4/joel-spolsky
 
9:30 PM
Oops, I forgot about Joel.
 
 
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11:33 PM
@Rob Jeff hasn't worked here in years
 
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog how's it not a meta tag? "Alternatively, they may be ill-defined concepts which make consistent application of the tag difficult or impossible."
 
@bobble The tag is specifically defined in its wiki as being about the Improve [Edit] button. That it's being used elsewhere doesn't change the fact that its use is well-defined.
 
I'm discussing in that question is usage as a meta tag specifically; if it's being used as one I fail to see how the tag is irrelevant
 

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