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Journeyman Geek

1:17 AM

@djsmiley2kTMW the Tamil Calendar is solar but our birthdays vary. Date systems are hard 🤣

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

2:24 AM

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Q: Please restrict the announcements tag of the blog to posts which are actually announcements of network-wide significance

Catija has recently explained that which blog posts get displayed in the side bar for each site depends on a blog tag: It's tag-dependent. Blog posts tagged "bulletin" appear in the sidebar on sites that are considered technology sites (based on the sites listed in the footer) but not...

Rob

3:31 AM

Meta winked out (for maintenance) for a minute. If goes out again (or remains out for others, outside of NA) updates will be available at: twitter.com/StackStatus and stackstatus.net

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Rob Is it still out for non-North American users?

John Dvorak

Worst case we still can use Discord to organize ;)

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

5:32 AM

@JourneymanGeek Spam account: meta.stackexchange.com/users/719428/safebrethprous

@JNat Cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/17531450/meemu-jose

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

6:51 AM

@JNat Cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/17848152/saif-ali

Magisch

7:44 AM

→ 22 messages moved to Chimney

morning

rene

morning

user674146

8:00 AM

If someone wants to detach posts from his/her account, what should (s)he do?

Magisch

@JohanLiebert "contact us" at the bottom of every page, be specific in your request

user674146

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Q: Extracting a professional account from my existing contributions: Is it supported and wanted?

This question is about something I expected to have been asked before, but I could not find anything, neither on physics.SE nor on general meta. Apologies if I have missed something. I started thinking about the topic after reading the recent question How to Help the Physics.SE grow (member-wise)...

feature-request

Magisch

what you are looking for is post disassociation

user674146

(☝)

user674146

@Magisch thanks! This just what I was looking for. :-)

Magisch

8:23 AM

@SmokeDetector k

Bart

8:59 AM

@berserk Reported for bullying

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

9:14 AM

@NickCraver A user has reported receiving a server error when trying to access Network Engineering Meta from Oceania. Can you please investigate?

!!/watch wfmcargo\.com

SmokeDetector

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog That pattern looks like it's already caught by Potentially bad keyword in answer and Potentially bad keyword in body; append -force if you really want to do that.

Yaakov Ellis

10:06 AM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Can you please not ping Nick on here about fixing server errors?

Journeyman Geek

Uhm. Dosen't Nick follow meta anyway?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@YaakovEllis Will remember. Since I'm not experiencing the issue, I didn't file it on the site, as I remember a prior conversation here that I shouldn't file reports on behalf of other users unless I can independently reproduce the problem.

Magisch

10:22 AM

late happy birthday yaakov

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek There was no meta post, just a comment from a user.

Yaakov Ellis

@JourneymanGeek He might or he might not. But we have processes for following up on server errors as efficiently as possible. Nick is involved in a ton of things, and it is incredibly inefficient for him to be the first point of contact and pinged directly on any little issue that happens.

@Magisch still my birthday. Thanks!

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

What would be the correct way to handle this case, that doesn't go against the prior conversation or Yaakov's message above?

Gimby

Ask user to create a meta post about it? One user does not seem like a reason to go make an investigation out of it, it is just as likely a problem on their end. If a meta post exists at least people with the same problem can gravitate to it

terdon

@YaakovEllis Happy birthday!

Yaakov Ellis

10:26 AM

@Gimby +1

We have folks looking at the error logs anyway, and alerting systems

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Gimby I did. I also flagged the question for migration. Neither resulted in action.

Yaakov Ellis

One user getting one server error - if it is random event, then waste of time to follow up anyway

Magisch

I've always been on the fence about pinging staff members here

imo only if they consent to be pinged and only in the situations they consent to

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@YaakovEllis Not much of a random error - they claimed to be getting it for a few hours. Also, shortly after their initial claim, there was this chat message here which seems to imply that there was something more widespread.

@Magisch Well, another reason I thought it was OK in this case was because the specific message I replied to said "please don't hesitate to ping me". Guess that was a red herring.

John Dvorak

@Magisch with the caveat that everyone implicitly consents to be pinged if necessary to maintain conversation threads

wait... that's not sufficiently big of a caveat

Journeyman Geek

10:32 AM

Well there's a difference between random pings and an ongoing conversation

Magisch

@JohnDvorak eh, I know some staff members (including shog, who used to be one) in the past said they disliked pings from replies so I got into the habit of avoiding them

terdon

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog That was in April 2019!

John Dvorak

@Magisch ... I see :P

Yaakov Ellis

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog If Nick specifically asked to be pinged on this specific issue, that is different. But in general, better not to.

Journeyman Geek

And even with staff on good terms I try not to impose.

terdon

10:32 AM

And he told you to ping him if a specific issue repeats.

Not to ping him a year later for something completely unrelated.

Magisch

It's useful to recognize that responding to and reading pings is at least in part a part of their job (for CMs), so it's worth thinking about whether a ping is necessary in any given situation

terdon

@Magisch It's equally important to realize that responding to and reading pings is probably not part of anybody's job apart from the CMs.

I really doubt that it would be part of the main SRE's job to answer pings from us.

probably not

@terdon correct

@Bart D:

10:34 AM

is that still true now that we're down to <3 CMs?

Yaakov Ellis

we are not down to < 3 CMs

But that said, the CMs do have limited capacity

Magisch

I guess the backlog on invalidations and all is still growing

Yaakov Ellis

@Magisch I honestly don't know

rene

We <3 CMs

Magisch

I know it was steadily growing back when I was still flagging, and I know I wasn't responsible for more then a small fraction of it, so I assume it's still growing

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

10:37 AM

In any case, what would be the correct action to take to report a potential issue from another user where you can't independently reproduce the issue, and which the user is unwilling to make a report on Meta (possibly due to a reasonable fear of being negatively received)?

Magisch

unless mods as a whole have also severely stopped making escalations, which I doubt

my guess is built on a shaky inference chain :D

rene

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog nothing. The problem either resolves itself, grows to get noticed in the logging or gets linked later on to unrelated events and fixed in the process.

terdon

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Nothing, probably. If it's a serious issue, someone else will experience it and report it. If not, it's not worth bothering with.

Otherwise known as "what Rene said".

Gimby

+1 for letting it go :)

rene

Noooooo...

terdon

10:40 AM

Of course, none of this is relevant since Nick isn't even pingable here :)

Magisch

-1 for reminding me of that song and getting it re-stuck in my head

Gimby

You're welcome.

M.A.R.

I watched Frozen 2 yesterday

I have a hankering to watch a gory war movie just right now

John Dvorak

@Magisch I suggest to let go of it

rene

I'll freeze this room if this continues ...

Gimby

10:41 AM

Or watch Birds of Prey, that's one insane string of R-rated fight scenes.

John Dvorak

@rene I suggest to let it go on

M.A.R.

@Rob I wouldn't ever miss a chance to be unnecessarily verbose

@Gimby Meh, it sucks even if it doesn't suck.

Gimby

Sucks to be you, I had great fun watching it

M.A.R.

More power to you

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@rene Come on, don't be a Frozone about it...

rene

10:45 AM

Watch my icy frown ....

M.A.R.

@Gimby There are some things that would ruin a perfectly good movie for me. Now I'm far from a preacher, but reinforcing the notion that showcasing 'girl power' is showing them half naked walking around being mean to men is just inexcusable

If it's supposed to be fan service, then don't be coy about it

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Actually, I'd kill to see Jackson say half of rene's lines

Admittedly, I haven't watched Birds of Prey, but it has enough of that plastered all over it that it's a good guess, methinks

Gimby

Well you're wrong. It's merely a kick ass DC property based on a comic book team of anti-heroes.

John Dvorak

Today I realized that Elsa must be a level-1 druid

Gimby

The only thing I didn't like about it is Ewan McGregor as the villain. He's too Obi Wan Kenobi to pull such a role off.

Journeyman Geek

Actually the original TOS harley was awesome

Bart

10:53 AM

@rene CM Hammer is my favourite

rene

:p

Pandya

how to check when SEDE was last updated?

M.A.R.

@Gimby That . . . doesn't rule out what I said. Sigh Anyway, some time along the way, DC forgot how to make for good movies, and hasn't fully recovered still IMHO

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@M.A.R. might be genetic.

M.A.R.

@Pandya Help → Frequently Asked Questions says last updated yesterday

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou It might be a different strain of the virus

No data to support it

@JohnDvorak She's an X . . . uh, X-man

Pandya

11:09 AM

@M.A.R. ok

Thanks

M.A.R.

No hay problema

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@M.A.R. another option is more simple, and sadly more likely. theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/… (didn't read in depth.)

John Dvorak

X-men are a faction, not a class

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

You have proof about the numbers your government gives? @M.A.R

rene

@Pandya you don't need to go to the help /faq, it is shown on the front page: i.stack.imgur.com/IXYmY.png

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

11:11 AM

@JohnDvorak can a woman be part of X-men then?

John Dvorak

and her shape water cantrip doesn't come from her racial abilities, because she's definitely a human, which as we know, are natural-born JOATs with zero innate magic.

Pandya

@rene Oh! Yes, how did I forget this? I was looking exactly this. Thanks

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou No, but if the official stats given to WHO are tainted with politics, why would these estimates not be?

Two million is just outrageous @Sha. The Atlantic has quite a few journalists too nationalistic for my taste. The whole thing is riddled with "government lies", it's not aiming to be an accurate scientific evaluation of what's happened.

John Dvorak

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou clearly

you are right that the faction should be renamed to X-people though.

Wait... that excludes Rocket and Groot

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

X-entities

X-living-beings

M.A.R.

11:16 AM

Here's what a real scientist has to say on it: nytimes.com/2020/03/04/health/coronavirus-china-aylward.html

John Dvorak

X-persons

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

X-@M.A.R's

M.A.R.

I have no exes

John Dvorak

or, more fancily, X-perienced

M.A.R.

facepalm

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

11:17 AM

XP is good version

@M.A.R. you will have

Time is flexible

M.A.R.

Nopes

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

It's your future X

M.A.R.

Where was I . . . Aha.

> If COVID-19 is so rare—fewer than 400 cases had been reported in Iran by the day she announced her diagnosis—what are the chances that one of the afflicted would be a famous politician?

This is bovine excrement.

Although they do lie, this argument doesn't hold any water.

Plus, the stats have flipped since then: Iran has a lower fatality rate than the world average.

> Instead Iran greased its own path toward the most catastrophic outbreak in modern history.

Well, this guy has already decided we're the worst, so I don't need to help in that.

John Dvorak

because Iran doesn't have enough elderly to boost Covid's fatality rate?

M.A.R.

And it's curious that he's chosen the narrow window between Iran stats updating and Italy stats updating to prove how catastrophic it is here but not elsewhere. Italy has more cases, and a higher fatality rate than Iran

worldometers.info/coronavirus

@JohnDvorak Actually, we're not that old a people I guess, but what we are is way more superstitious than the average folk, I think.

John Dvorak

11:23 AM

ah, thanks

M.A.R.

Lots and lots of bogus alternative medicine endorsers have set up shop since the outbreak

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@M.A.R. I didn't read, but the idea makes sense: the numbers are so "good" because they're made to be good. If you say it's not true and think the government is reliable it's fine, I believe you more than the media. :)

M.A.R.

So, on average, I'd think we're probably less educated than Italians and South Koreans on who we should trust with our health.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@M.A.R. No data yet, but pretty sure Orthodox Jewish people will get sick much less due to keeping much better personal hygiene. For example, for them washing hands isn't just something the parents tell them as kids and never enforce it later on, it's part of their core since it's ordered from "above".

And they also don't touch each other too much.

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Well, what can I say? Our government has lied and will lie, that's for certain. But such biased outlook is very unlikely to resurface the truth. His numbers are outrageous, his bullet points are bullshit arguments, and he doesn't have a background in things he assumes he knows about. I actually don't have much reason to doubt any of our government's figures except the recovery rate.

And that, because the way they describe the process, they're probably being reckless, but I'm no medical expert either. They say after 24 hours from the last sign of any symptom, they run two tests, and two negatives means the patient has recovered.

This seems too narrow a window for me, so it wouldn't surprise me if someone returns to the hospital after getting sick again. Other than that, the reports still show 500–1000 new cases everyday, and Italy's case seems much worse.

It's probably easy enough to hide the number of the infected, but deaths you cannot hide, and we haven't had many, compared to Italy.

John Dvorak

11:32 AM

Can't hide deaths, you say? Ask China.

M.A.R.

FWIW, other governments also seem to have lied about their stats. Six deaths in a day, the first six deaths in the US, sounds as fishy as a politician lying about having caught the disease. But stats are all we have, and you can't further anything if you don't trust anything. It's too simple to stand aside and shake heads and throw in some random political commentary.

@JohnDvorak Well, the Chinese government rules with an iron fist. I don't think any other government, except perhaps Russia, can contain its people like that. Even so, there is another side to the coin as well: China has been exemplary in containing the virus.

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