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1:06 AM

Um.

Had never tried the new logged out view. Just got to try it.

If you had asked this a week ago, I would have been able to write a good answer. It used to be that, despite the growing pains and issues, this was a site with a vision that I fundamentally believed in, that I helped grow and steer, and that I thought I could continue to grow and steer in a positive direction. Nothing is perfect, but SO was so much better than the alternatives. Now that the home page has been replaced with a giant advertising banner and free, public Q&A has effectively been hidden from view, I am rethinking my position. I am now wondering for myself why I stay. — Cody Gray ♦ 25 mins ago

I was wondering why the sudden change in mood.

So just. Um.

I'll just say that I wondered how bad could it be and I found the reactions excessive, now I see they aren't. At all.

Even Cody's drastic change of facial expression doesn't seem so drastic at all.

I like how "public Q&A" is like the third son of a king no one even talks about.

You know, the one that doesn't have the guts to try a coup

Fredo Corleone.

And WTH, I was just about to say how nostalgic "by programmers, for programmers" felt

Journeyman Geek

1:28 AM

@Marshmallow I read that as try the soup

Journeyman Geek

1:47 AM

@Marshmallow imo they are not at all.

And I think folks seeing the front page is a fight that's worth it. Unlike kvetching over emoji use

John Dvorak

2:46 AM

Rob

4:55 AM

Live in Denial seems the better choice.

rene

7:11 AM

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ShaWiz

8:16 AM

@rene kaboom

@rene kabong

@rene kaboong

Unfriendly comments on the fourth caused self delete.

IMO totally pointless getting into "we won't do your work for you" arguments, especially in MSE. Flagged the comment.

Meta Andrew T.

we won't migrate your post for you

rene

9:06 AM

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Marshmallow

Oh my God, @ShaWiz! You're back! And that long-name weirdo is gone

rene

9:44 AM

For the post you linked I would simply request to delete it. It is more of an "organize work" type of thing then anything else. It is hopelessly useless today and no editing can reverse that IMO. — rene 37 secs ago

Thoughts?

Marshmallow

@rene Not an SO'er, but isn't that post a historical relic?

(Rather than a resource)

Maybe something explicitly saying "stop looking for answers in this thing unless you're a historian", but nah, don't delete it if my assumption is correct

rene

@Marshmallow well, I don't see how that has any historical significance

nor how it adds value today if you're interested in how we end-up with the syntax highlighting we have

Marshmallow

Just a future point of reference when you're looking for something to confirm "this is how things worked"

I mean, it's a histo lock dude.

rene

It is more like a sanity check post or a share your initial ideas so we can get this feature rolling.

Marshmallow

OK if you think it should go, you have more say than me anyway.

rene

9:58 AM

@Marshmallow well dude, the histo lock is applied wrongly ;)

Marshmallow

@rene Dude, did you just dude copy my dude remark, dude

rene

I did dude because I'm a cooler dude

Marshmallow

Guess you're saying it's not significant — Go ahead, you're the 20k'er not me

@rene pfft yeah right dude. I heard Europe is boiling from the heat wave dude

Humid too. That's what you get for cheating and having all the jungles.

rene

@Marshmallow it is steaming hot here

Journeyman Geek

@Marshmallow Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude

Marshmallow

10:11 AM

@JourneymanGeek Get your terminology right bro. You're a bro bro not a dude.

Journeyman Geek

No DUUUUUUDDDEEEE

(much too tubby and laid back to be a bro)

Meta Andrew T.

Dude, dude the dude out there!

Tinkeringbell

12:07 PM

Hey @rene was this really necessary? I don't find it particularly funny.

Marshmallow

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Q: The duplicate answers flags are harder to process in the new dashboard

This is what we see when the duplicate answers auto flag is raised: It's not immediately obvious that the same user (red) has posted the same answer to two (or more) questions. The "Answered x mins ago..." is buried in the flag between the details of the asker and the answer text. The asker's ...

I tend to even forget they're a mod here too

@JourneymanGeek From the comments, it looks like a rep hunt TBH

Tinkeringbell

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Marshmallow

Of course, it's hard to tell the intention with such a shallow glance.

Tinkeringbell

Oh oops. Sorry... script moved the reply too ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Marshmallow the answers are interesting, even if its a rep hunt

Marshmallow

12:14 PM

@JourneymanGeek The question itself is probably useful too, for search purposes. But it's not "cool"

Journeyman Geek

@Marshmallow if a question results in interesting answers, its at least cool by association

Marshmallow

Good, maybe. Cool, no

Journeyman Geek

cool is in the eyes of the beholder ;p

Marshmallow

This is a cool question physics.stackexchange.com/questions/5265/…

Wait, no

That's not really cool either

Meta Andrew T.

@Marshmallow that's steamy hot

Marshmallow

12:17 PM

Well, I'll just compare my own questions.

This question of mine is cool: chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/47056/…

rene

@Tinkeringbell oh, no it is not needed. removed it. sorry.

Marshmallow

This question of mine is not cool: english.stackexchange.com/questions/383790/…

Tinkeringbell

@rene Thank you :) Much appreciated!

Journeyman Geek

I think we're taking cool a little too literally

Tinkeringbell

Cool works for me right now, it's too hot.

Though inside, with a fan, it's still doable.

Marshmallow

12:20 PM

Likewise, this answer is cool: ell.stackexchange.com/questions/121168/… but this one is not ell.stackexchange.com/questions/121228/…

This answer is uber, super, duper cool: ell.stackexchange.com/a/13261/14111

Whoa, he's close to a well-deserved 200k now

Meta Andrew T.

FR: Cool Network Questions to counter the Hot one

Marshmallow

@MetaAndrewT. It could actually be more quantifiable than you think . . . if it got less comments than X, if it got less activity than n answer and comments from new users, etc.

Has anyone tried to objectivize the popular vs. high-quality vote dilemma?

Meta Andrew T.

or Tumbleweed Network Questions...

Marshmallow

Ha. Objectivize. I'm such a smart person because I used "objectivize".

Meta Andrew T.

2:56 PM

Reading recent posts on MSO was depressing...

(but well, when is reading meta refreshing?)

Olivia

It doesn't have to be though.

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

3:11 PM

Discovered that Edge can mangle URLs when using inline Markdown for links:

Actual URL:

https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/329472/does-reputation-on-sites-with-site-specific-chat-servers-count-toward-the-abilit

When attempting to use link markdown:

[link](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/329472/does-reputation-on-sites-with-site-specific-chat-servers-count-toward-the-ability)

Notice the addition of the 'y' at the end: that's inserted automatically once you type the ending ) character.

John Dvorak

3:54 PM

Unanswered questions from high-ranking users?

Meta Andrew T.

4:50 PM

Yeah, that could be cool for Cool Network Questions, actually: High-Quality Unanswered questions

Rob

5:01 PM

@MetaAndrewT. The Newsletter's previews have "high quality un-answered questions", unfortunately there's a bug and it's broken. It's possible to open the preview directly, like this one for the Operations Research Newsletter, and scroll to the bottom for upvoted un-answered questions.

Rob

5:28 PM

Stack Overflow: Helping One Million Developers Exit Vim

David Robinson on May 23, 2017

This morning, a popular Stack Overflow question hit a major milestone:

You’re not alone, jclancy. In the five years since this question was asked, there have been over a million other developers who got stuck in Vim and couldn’t escape without a bit of help. Indeed, the difficulty of quitting the Vim editor is a common joke among developers.

I’ve been told by experienced Vim users that this reputation is unfair, and I’m sure they’re right (even I’ve gotten the hang of it in the last few years). I think there are two reasons it’s easy to forget how to exi …

Tinkeringbell

6:45 PM

@Rob Duh. No one get's taught Vim nowadays :P

Meta Andrew T.

7:25 PM

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Q: How do I tell my girlfriend she's been buying me books by the wrong author for the last nine months?

Help! For the last nine months my girlfriend has been buying me books by the wrong author, fully believing that she's treating me to work by my favourite writer (who incidentally she believes is a pervert!). Some context: on our first date I told my current girlfriend that my favourite writer is...

relationships conflict-aversion awkward-situations romance misunderstandings

Sorry, but I could imagine the story of the OP as a love-comedy Japanese drama...

s/love-comedy/romantic comedy

ShaWiz

9:15 PM

@MetaAndrewT. once you hit F5. Duh.

;)

@Marshmallow to be honest, I considered being Shadow The Marshmallow Wizard. 🧙‍♂️

Rob

9:31 PM

@Tinkeringbell There are things you are expected to know.

Rob

9:48 PM

You don't tug on superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger
And you don't mess around with Vim

Olivia

@Rob nvim ftw

@Rob Vim in general is fantastic

Journeyman Geek

10:48 PM

@Olivia it's also designed in a time that people were so poor they didn't have arrow keys....

Olivia

@JourneymanGeek Vim works with arrow keys too you know

And the mouse

:set mouse=a in normal mode if you don't believe me

Journeyman Geek

That wasn't exactly serious. That said the problem is pretty much that stuff like normal(command?) And insert mode are not intuitive to a modern computer user

Olivia

11:03 PM

there's four modes (at least, I'm still finding more, so who knows xD): normal, insert, visual, and visual block. Normal is the command one - navigate and execute commands. Insert edits text in a buffer. visual lets you select, and visual block is kinda like multiple cursors

Meta Andrew T.

I prefer WordStar!

Olivia

takes a while to get uesd to, but that kind of separation is really nice

Also means you can map a specific key combination to several things depending on the mode

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. not a text editor

Olivia

I mean, I do love Vim, but nothing beats butterflies.

Meta Andrew T.

It's one of the softwares I learnt while in the school...

Elementary school, to be exact... 20 years ago...

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