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Journeyman Geek

12:30 AM

@MEEthesetupwizard uhm. Contact us is probably the least dramatic method and in these cases pretty quick.

Ah it's handled nvm. This is why I should wait post morning walkies for these things

ArtOfCode

12:55 AM

Here's a shiny for y'all... a replacement for the dead elections.stackexchange.com: artofcode.co.uk/elections

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user302202

Shiny!

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@ArtOfCode Maybe you should contact SE and ask them to point the dead domain to that instead...

user302202

Which they probably won't.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

The old site was maintained by a (now-gone) community member anyway

user302202

Yes, but having x.stackexchange.com redirect to an external site is a liability as far as SREs are concerned.

ArtOfCode

12:59 AM

Yeah, that

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@MSOGA Data Explorer did that for a while, though

ArtOfCode

Suspect they'd want to host it if it had the domain - which is fine, but involves work that they might not be willing to take on

Journeyman Geek

Bascially they don't want to host anything that's not on the SE platform on the foo.stackexchange/foo.stackoverflow domains...

even the blog (which is on stackoverflow.blog) and email (which is somewhere else)

also TimStone is still around

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@JourneymanGeek Elections.SE wasn't maintained by Tim, but by Yi Jiang (who is gone)

As a matter of fact the Wheel of Blame link in this room's description still says to "ping Yi Jiang" for suggestions to new users there.

ArtOfCode

@JourneymanGeek Ah, yeah, forgot the cookie leak was a thing too

Journeyman Geek

1:06 AM

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A: elections.stackexchange.com isn't loading

Yeah, this is gonna be down for a bit; Tim Stone was maintaining it and Tim Post was hosting it. The domain, of course, was controlled by the company... Which is currently moving all se.com subdomains to HTTPS. This presents two problems: Tim Post can't continue hosting it, and we don't have an...

Incorrect

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@JourneymanGeek Ah, must have confused it with some other site. But I could have sworn there was a .SE site made by Yi Jiang

ArtOfCode

Yi Jiang contributed to it, but wasn't the main maintainer.

Journeyman Geek

Anyway - practically, there were a bunch of good reasons (and a load of other things taking priority) for elections.se for going down. Folks not caring or vanishing was not one of them ;)

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Security makes it so we can't have nice things :P

Shog9

@MSOGA redirect isn't a big deal (other than being one more thing to maintain, which... Can still be reason enough not to do it), it's allowing something to live at the domain itself that's problematic - can leak information about users that way.

Journeyman Geek

1:10 AM

On the other hand, security means people who shouldn't have our nice things don't

Shog9

In this case, the only reason to do a redirect would be if we had lots of outstanding links that were broken (kinda yes) and the redirect would allow them to work (kinda no).

Journeyman Geek

and having an unofficial way to deal with problems that SO (the company) dosen't quite have the time/resources to deal with right now is a very.... natural way for techie folks to deal with a problem ;)

user302202

Like senseful.github.io/text-table is a way to deal with the lack of table support.

user302202

It's linked only from a Meta post but that seems to be enough, as those looking for table formatting find it.

user302202

So, maybe post an answer to that question about election site being down.

Journeyman Geek

1:13 AM

I feel that should be left to @ArtOfCode when he thinks its ready ;)

Shog9

Well, I posted it to Twitter. As a [show of gratitude | plan of revenge] [to|on] Art for [the excellent work he's done | something else he posted on Twitter]

user302202

Not from the @StackOverflow account...

Shog9

I may be a [sadist|masochist], but even I have a limit to the amount of pain I'm willing to [inflict|experience]

ArtOfCode

Madlibs should make a comeback

Shog9

they never really left

everything I write is a madlib if you look closely enough

loveletters to the world, written from roughly cut and pasted pieces of magazine articles

user302202

1:20 AM

Speaking of SO twitter account, what is the 10MM list for? twitter.com/StackOverflow/lists

Shog9

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

user302202

0 members, hence 0 tweets, got 5 subscribers though.

Shog9

Presumably we'll find out when we finally release Stack Overflow Mini, the website designed for 1cm screens

user302202

SO needs is a new hashtag. #SOreadytohelp was a long time ago.

Shog9

#StackGalápaflow has a nice look to it

Journeyman Geek

1:24 AM

@Shog9 actually....

;p

SO for smartwatches...

then you can watch the world burn as students realise you can use it to try to cheat in tests.

user302202

1:41 AM

Was there ever a successful social media campaign in support of some SO mod candidate?

Journeyman Geek

Not really

Not as far as I know

user302202

2:00 AM

I really need a Warren Buffett quote pinned next to my office phone.

user302202

Is that a picture of a printout of a tweet? Gotta print that.

Bookends

I can't think of social media campaign supporting moderators to prevent more of their own bad questions from being posted/getting answered...

Bookends

2:26 AM

Unless, the campaign is about mod allowing every kind of off-topic questions, then it might get interesting

Journeyman Geek

4:12 AM

@Bookends honestly I don't see SE ever being so political.

Unless folks who are on the 'outside' critiquing SE (well SO) actually get active on the site and meta

Which might be a net good thing

Bookends

Ah, reputation needed for voting already prevents this.

So, yeah, you can't suddenly have a legion of 1-rep users voting for your candidacy

user302202

4:34 AM

SO has plenty of users who are barely aware of the existence of their account but have 150+ rep in it.

Journeyman Geek

4:47 AM

@Bookends and if people care enough to get the reputation - they're a asset since they're invested in making the site a better place by some measure

Travis J

5:21 AM

@JourneymanGeek - So I just need a bot account that FGITW answers $ undefined questions using a random combination, and once it hits 150, it spins up a new account? That doesn't seem so far fetched.

Journeyman Geek

well and lots of voting fraud?

Travis J

I guess if all the bots voted in the election that would be the fraud scenario. But you said they were assets!

Journeyman Geek

I didn't think of bots!

Travis J

Well, psh, there you go

Journeyman Geek

I was literally thinking people going "I don't like the direction SO is going so I'm getting engaged in the community and changing things

Travis J

5:31 AM

Since you responded to the "legion of 1-rep users" with "if they get the rep - they're a asset" I went debils advocate on it :P

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

delv-pls 2k+ meta.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/63334

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Supa Mega Ducky Momo da Waffle

6:04 AM

Are you still talking about the ping war of March 4, @MEE?

MEE the setup wizard

@ArtOfCode thanks again. I was not able to say more yesterday because it was too late for me. And yes I see how my message could be misinterpreted as @Catija said. :)

@SupaMegaDuckyMomodaWaffle somehow, but not really. Most events are from yesterday.

Supa Mega Ducky Momo da Waffle

Ok.

Bookends

7:35 AM

(unremoved)

(devomer)

Morning!

morning

TGIF!

It's wednesday though

angussidney

9:20 AM

@ArtOfCode is the source for that on GitHub somewhere by any chance?

ArtOfCode

9:30 AM

@angussidney not yet, but I'll throw it in a charcoal repo when I get the chance

Tinkeringbell

9:47 AM

Gone!

rene

Thanks! Let me clean-up

→ 50 messages moved to Chimney

Tinkeringbell

@rene Out of curiosity, I've seen you leave the last few Smokey reports a few times now... why?

Shadow Wizard

Script?

Tinkeringbell

Why is the script that way? :P

I'm guessing there's a reason they're left around... and I want to know what that is :P

rene

@Tinkeringbell I assume that is because the script consider them to be not yet handled?

Tinkeringbell

9:59 AM

@rene You're running scripts without even knowing how they work? :P What script are you using?

rene

The SOCVR archiver

Magisch

10:30 AM

tfw you get a newsletter and the unsubcribe link automatically subscribes you to more newsletters

Shaymin

12:00 PM

rip

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch makes lost of sense, yeah.

rene

1:21 PM

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Shadow Wizard

lag or dead?

Magisch

$('.container.cup.coffeecup').drink('sip');

ArtOfCode

1:42 PM

@angussidney github.com/Charcoal-SE/elections

Magisch

@ArtOfCode Are you in the SObotics team?

Shadow Wizard

And now we wait...

@ArtOfCode any idea what cause those huge lags for Smokey?

It kind of makes the bot useless

But... it can be fun, e.g. giving the bot a new title.

Shaymin

It seems to be an instance issue

Shadow Wizard

Smoke Detector, the Lagging Bot

Shaymin

Makyen's bot just died too

@ShadowWizard It's a lot worse on chat.SE

Shadow Wizard

1:49 PM

heh

Shaymin

♦ Socket Science

For Charcoal projects' use as a direct communication channel.

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uh

Shadow Wizard

@Shaymin not dead, just lagging. Worse?

Shaymin

It went offline on MS and solar failed over

Shadow Wizard

Dead bot can be simply restarted. Lagging bot.... need to find the cause and fix it.

Shaymin

I've pinged Makyen in CHQ btw

Shadow Wizard

1:51 PM

Looks like they're pingable here too, but no idea who that is.

ArtOfCode

2:10 PM

@Magisch yup

Magisch

2:21 PM

@ArtOfCode I'll post more about it later on the team once i'm in it, but you might be interested in the earlier conversation in SOBOTICS (start here)

ArtOfCode

Reading

Shadow Wizard

2:38 PM

Writing

Saving

Photosynthesizing

Spelling

5:29 PM

... I don't know why I got into this...

Soldier - The Most Unwanted Song [Audio + Score]

►

(warning: 22-minute long)

just noticed while listening it... (warning: religion-related parody)

John Dvorak

[socially_awkward_penguin.jpg]
Thought I saw a ROT13 title in ?tab=realtime
Actually a UNIX command

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak I'd have guessed perl

Feeds

6:35 PM

Neurologically speaking, the LEFT hand is actually the one at the end of the RIGHT arm.

John Dvorak

Randall Munroe plays Octodad the Dadliest Catch

Bart

7:27 PM

Note to self: that badge you just got isn't a Cactus Badge ...

Tinkeringbell

Feature Request: A Cactus Badge for being a prick...

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Bart

I don't think they do custom badges just for me

Kevin B

how would i earn it

Bart

None of your business @KevinB .... <-- does that get me the badge?

Mithrandir

@Tinkeringbell I'm sure @Magisch will appreciate that

Bart

7:32 PM

:D

Magisch

oy

Bart

... lovable prick? <3

user302202

7:46 PM

balpha explains JPEG

user302202

An old talk, even the logo on the T-shirt is pre-rebranding

user302202

> Denial: Reruns non-working code several times Anger: This should be working, it's R's fault! Bargaining: Maybe if I remove these parentheses? Please work..? Depression: My code never works. Acceptance: I'll just copy and paste something from stackoverflow. -- NiclasKuper at 11:21 AM - 6 Mar 2019

user302202

From a meet-up, back when there were company meet-ups.

Fabby

8:52 PM

@Shog9 Only read now Excellent! Better than mine... +1

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rene

9:22 PM

@Bart maybe not wait but edit and see if it gets rolled back?

user302202

10:25 PM

Tip of the day: Stop instantly reacting and listen Tip of the iceburg

user302202

Well, we wanted more mad libs on meta, didn't we.

Kevin B

11:09 PM

?

user302202

11:36 PM

> I waited till I turn 30 before nominating as that is the age when you become more responsible, and I'll turn 30 in next 2 month. stackoverflow.com/election/11#post-55017097

user302202

2 days ago, by Shog9

I recommend acting 30. Seems like a reasonable age to act... at any age.

Bookends

Now that I think about it... I also turn 30 this year...

user302202

So election is for 2 mods only, so... Baum and Machavity for me (so far).

user302202

Still have a chance of avoiding a boring primary round.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

11:51 PM

@MSOGA Is it really true that in the last few SO elections, only those users with 40/40 candidate scores have been winning?

Bookends

@SonictheWizardWerehog Yvette won 2018 election with 38/40

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