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4:06 AM
Q: Freedom of speech and where it applies

OwenThere seems to be multiple definitions of freedom of speech out there, and I hear a lot about how companies like Google and Twitter are exempt from this as they are private entities and freedom of speech only applies to the government. This seems to contradict the following definitions: Article ...

At last, a proper Q&A that we can point when someone complaining about their deleted SE posts/comments and violation of free speech...
And since it's on SE, there's also freedom of voting, even on a HNQ...
4:26 AM
Most people who complain about freedom of speech are not talking about the legal rights (which only applies to governments and certain public spaces), but the concept itself. In the same way, no one would criticize someone for complaining that someone is being a jerk to them because it's not against the law to be a jerk.
It's ridiculous to assume that someone who is saying that they are being censored on a website and that censorship is bad is actually claiming that said site is breaking the law by censoring them. That's just a strawman.
A: For "User was removed" event, why are editing reputation points rolled back? It can be sort of unfair?

NSNoobAs Answered by @animuson and I quote: You actually lose reputation for suggested edits where the user removed was the final approver of the edit, because their user ID gets recorded on the "vote" which gives you the reputation. It doesn't revert all reputation you've gained from suggested...

Does this mean you lose more than you earned?
Or just that what you earned gets reverted?
@forest Just that.
oh ok
And it only happens if the user is the last or only one to approve the edit. If they're not the last one to approve it, you don't lose the rep.
5:32 AM
@forest they should punish animuson for posting an answer in the comments
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ How do you know they didn't?
He's getting 30 lashes with a wet mop.
Its a noodle
6:25 AM
Accidentally posted in the wrong room. Was just a link to a question.
This is horrifying.
That is
Also would be less trouble to find a kettle lead than to solder onto those thick pads
And less suicidal.
@JourneymanGeek I'm sure you've seen this one:
I imagine that metal will get hot since it's resistance is probably not ideal.
Though I have a feeling the solder in the first pic would get pretty hot.
Maybe even hot enough to melt!
6:49 AM
@forest What are you trying to do? Use nail clippers to put a U.S. plug into an Australian outlet?
Oh it's not me doing it lol
7:04 AM
yay finally over 24k after years of doing nothing
olds here!?
Doing nothing is sometimes quite worth it.
well, at least dear smoke detector is still up and runnin!
- Doing nothing is sometimes quite worth it.

that's about right in my case
Now 25k is what you really want.
It lets you download Google Analytics stats and publish it for everyone to see.
nice^ forgot about existence of that feature
@forest Even if it doesn't melt, it's still a massive electrocution hazard. Also, it's likely to spark and start a fire as soon as somebody touches the cord.
7:09 AM
@JohnDvorak And the ground connection could come undone.
Yeah, electrified chassis is yet another way this could become a criminal liability.
Oh, and if you used this contraption to commit a felony, and somebody touched it and got electrocuted, it counts as a felony murder, which bears the same punishment as first-class murder.
(US law)
Oh if we're doing messed up US laws I could go on for hours. :/
E.g. 15 year old gets drunk and pisses in public. Gets put on sex offender list and is not allowed to be anywhere near his little sister until she turns 18.
Yes, that actually happened (in Texas or Alabama or one of those places).
Still nothing compared to four years for "possessing" three poppy seeds on your t-shirt (UAE)
And of course a plethora of strict liability laws.
@JohnDvorak Yeah, I know that one. :/
That was the UEA though.
Fun fact: In the state of California, if you have a little too much marijuana, and you and your palls fire a gun while sitting on top of your car's hood at the shooting range, and you decided to put the pills from one medical container into another empty one to save space, you will be put in prison for life, and it's mandatory.
Because that's three felonies, and California has the "three strike law".
Another fun fact: Utah still does firing squads for executions.
So yeah... 'murika
@JohnDvorak I saw an episode on "Cops" where an old man with terminal cancer and no family was caught in a marijuana sting operation (he was using it because of the chronic and severe pain). He was sent to prison to die in extreme pain (traditional pain meds didn't work) and they put down his dog, which was his only companion.
This is depressing. Here, have a recording of Leonard Nimoy reading Desiderata:
7:28 AM
@forest it's boring. Also the 25k version is better than the mod version
@forest erm. I know you feel strongly on that matter but... What did pigs ever do to you? They're intelligent creatures that happen to contain bacon
Because bacon tastes so good but it's so fattening.
7:58 AM
Vegans have always confused me.
Their priorities seem so backwards.
I mean, people in the world are going hungry and they get upset at Pokemon?
Or maybe that's just PETA.
That's just PETA
Oh good
8:42 AM
lols apparently I got suspended on another chat for calling murderers (people who assassinate whistleblowsers and the like) corrupt and horrible people.
Guess that's "not nice" :D
Creepy morning! Just saw a trailer for Pet Sematary and memories of reading the book as teenager came back... shudder
9:25 AM
grabbing @Bart's popcorn to take away the pills bitter taste
hands @ShadowWizard imitation indian corn puff things
!!/coffee room
@ShadowWizard brews a cup of Ristretto for @room
9:26 AM
hehe so empty here now
Leaving in style.
Wait, @Tink you moved my innocent message too... :(
in Trashcan, 38 mins ago, by Shadow Wizard
Creepy morning! Just saw a trailer for Pet Sematary and memories of reading the book as teenager came back... shudder
Can you plz move it back? Plz plz :D
@ShadowWizard Just a sec okay? I'm writing a bug report :P
1 message moved from Chimney
Don't ask me why I moved it from the chimney
How did that happen?!
meta.stackexchange.com/q/325643/369802 < I do hope that's a bug :P
@Tinkeringbell I'd assume it was the post migration but I guess not
and it seems fixedish suddenly
9:36 AM
It's still here, if I scroll up :)
Oh I meant the nearly blank page
Oh, that happens here sometimes too. Then the whole page suddenly scrolls out of view.
But perhaps it happens when you move a large chunk of messages... and is a result of having those buttons there...
It's like that for me in every room now. Very annoying if you want to look up older stuff or remove all bot messages ;)
In theory that shouldn't affect. chat.se
unless you did it too
of course @rene is sceptical. :P
@JourneymanGeek Nope, I didn't move messages on chat.se. It really looks like something has changed over here.
heh shakes petals
9:45 AM
We need a new tag... bug? :P
for when you're not sure if something is actually a bug or not 😛 That comment of yours is making me second guess myself (no, I'm sure older messages loaded automatically before).
Well I'm sure something broke here
Thanks. I'm sure something did too :)
@JourneymanGeek thanks!
@JourneymanGeek why? ;-)
@ShadowWizard cause I've got clumsy paws, that's why. ;p
@JourneymanGeek lol
@Tinkeringbell they do now, they didn't load for a while after you moved 100 messages to trash can
Maybe some cache is to blame
9:57 AM
But then why would it stop automatic loading on chat.se too?
(and you! ;))
@Tinkeringbell oh... no idea
@ShadowWizard It's Sonic the Wizard Werehog's fault.
Yup ^
And I still get those 4 buttons when scrolling up, even after refreshing the page :/
9:58 AM
@Tinkeringbell the buttons were always there
@ShadowWizard Then why did I never have to click them when scrolling up?
Like I said, I could scroll up for days and just keep getting more messages, I'm sure.
@Tinkeringbell so it's 1000% some script.
I never saw such behavior.
@ShadowWizard Can't be. I haven't updated any scripts.
It scrolls up to the beginning of the day.
Or more, but surely not forever.
@Tinkeringbell so you still get this behavior now without any scripts?
You're all driving me crazy here... :(
10:03 AM
Try with a clean browser.
@ShadowWizard I'm getting those buttons with and without using any scripts.
@Tinkeringbell because that's what we should get... :)
But they were never there!!!
Okay, I deleted that thing. I'm not going to allow it to drive me crazy on Sunday.
Q: Will chat rooms be indexed by Google?

LiamI would like to see chat rooms indexed by search engines. To make this possible, the 'load older messages' button at the top of chat rooms would need to work without JavaScript, or else the chat room page should show all messages if JavaScript is not enabled.

It mentions the button
Maybe you get this as mod.... ?
Try to browse incognito
Nope. I'm going with my original plan: crochet.
10:10 AM
I'm not going to spend all day in here and comments defending the idea that I'm not crazy.
Or that it wasn't a userscript
I was planning on getting some crochet done today, and that's what I'm going to do.
All good, for me chat used to bold random words for years. Saw a single downvoted report about it, and nobody else had it, so saw it as some crazy local thing. @Tink :)
It stopped at some point, likely some weird browser issue.
@Tinkeringbell happy crochet day ...
don't forget to get some sunshine ... it is nice outside
@rene KAboom
uh oh Shog is Following me.... o_O
10:26 AM
At what distance?
Length of a small bird.
140 mm would fit.
(hehe 1.4 meters is a BIG bird ;))
11:03 AM
@JohnDvorak big bat!
@JohnDvorak flying fox?
@JourneymanGeek yes
Adorable critters
Time for a cake!
11:57 AM
daily cake throwing on @M.A.R. so he won't feel neglected
hiding from @Sha
throws 10 cakes @sha
Cakes on the roll?
giving cakes thrown by @Shaymin to @Bart, @rene, @EKons, @nicael, @TravisJ, @Fabby, @JNat, @Ask, and @Get :-D
(yes, one is for myself!)
@rene nah, cakes after I raided the SE office fridges :p
12:09 PM
/me tickets @Shaymin for littering and unruly conduct.
But.... I just got a cake from co-worker!
For real.... LOL
puts @Journeyman 's ticket in a cake, throws cake @JourneymanGeek
buries @Shaymin in tickets
12:11 PM
calls the police on @Journeyman for unnecessary paper use
Such a cake must be accompanied by coffee...
@Shaymin I AM THE LAW
throws the law into a pile of cake
law is so sharp it cuts through the cake and makes a hole in the floor
12:25 PM
@ShadowWizard the note at the left has your password ...
@rene hehe you were half right! Not my password, but a client's phone number is indeed there! (Note it's not my note, some other co-worker left it there, I have a suspect but he's not around ;))
Calling @Sha's password
Q: The [semicolon] tag is in the process of being burninated

overactor This tag is in phase 4 of the burnination process described here. In other words, the tag is in the process of being burninated. Please see the answer below to keep track of progress. At the time of writing, there are 301 questions tagged semicolon, but no one is actually following the tag. ...

well my phone number is the wifi password at home.... guess 99% of the people do it.... lol
It took me five minutes to get the pun in the title
12:34 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Why is my phone ringing? :squint:
Will the real slim @sha dy please stand up?
I'm not slim! standing down
hehe @Bart got half cake. :P
0.4 cake to be more precise.
A: We don't need your [approval] any more!

Bhargav Raoapproval has been burninated. Thanks to everyone who participated. Progress: The approval tag is in the process of being burninated. You can help out by reviewing the questions with this tag, and... editing questions to improve the question and remove the tag (retag-only edits are best lef...

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ only two Sha but over five Wizards already!
12:39 PM
Someone tell Bhargav the formatting is slightly eye-jarring
@ShadowWizard Should I rename to "Moderator-Appended Review ban wizard"?
> Related
All the [movement] has ceased
There is no [value] left in this tag
We've achieved our [goal]
This tag has been taken off [track]
We have stopped doing [research]
The end of [violation]
Does this tag have any [functionality]?
No more time for the flaming [arrow]!
We no longer need to [hijack]
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ nah... you can be "M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard"
Meta.SO is a corpus for programmer humor
Corpse of humor
> meta.stackexchange.com’s server IP address could not be found.
Is this a nice way of saying "you're suspended"?
If you can't get on meta. HOW ARE YOU HERE?
12:44 PM
Is it a mean way of saying "you're suspended"?
@JourneymanGeek I have become one with this chat
It probably means something is rotten in your network ;p
you could traceroute to tell where it fails?
Nah, I slaughtered the rotten tab and reincarnated a new one
I would like to advise @JourneymanGeek to mirandize @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ before proceeding with this conversation
Now the path seems clear
@JohnDvorak I am a delicious treat even without mayonnaise
I have the right to vibrate
With a Nokia ringtone too
I need to check if my dad's nokia has the classic nokia ring tone.
12:50 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ now you made me think about something I should have never thought about. D-:
@JourneymanGeek It's stuck in your head now. For eternity
@ShadowWizard Ugh
"You are so uncouth"
@M.A.R.TheChemicalWizard some things you will never forget
@ShadowWizard ew expired... :P
Like the heft of a nokia 3310, forged from the heart of a dying star.....
12:52 PM
@M.A.R.TheChemicalWizard I knew it! You're a pony beneath the mask!
wait... you really did it... LOL
@EKons cake? Nah, it's still good. :D
apart from me hitting it and then having a sore hand? sure!
@ShadowWizard That is the most common sentence uttered before someone gets a stomachache
@EKons it's a soft cake
drops plate on the floor
sure, very soft cake
catching plate in midair
12:59 PM
drops the floor on @EKons
moving floor to trashcan
alright wait a second
how is a little puppy able to lift an entire floor?!
messing with @Tinker's mind by making her buttons disappear again
Trade Secret. Also lots of explosives.
1:01 PM
violates dog secrets
um... what is a "tenorist"?
alright... dog secrets have... not so good stuff in them...
@EKons hmm?
not sure I can share here
but tl;dr dog isn't 100% innocent
Went over search results, didn't notice anything unusual.... lol
what "search results" lol Google isn't your friend here
1:08 PM
e.g. top video result:
clearly that's not the correct dog
@M.A.R. new one for you:
Q: What's the [philosophy] of Meta SE?

Anne DauntedIn short, I want to discuss Do we need philosophy? If no Burninate it? If yes What should philosophy be about? I noticed the tag when a, now deleted, philosophical question about what Meta SE should be about, was asked lately. There are currently 9 questions tagged philosophy and ...

oooh wait
not sure if I'm looking at the correct place...
alright, why does a cute little puppy have 119 "Private" sectors...
backing off really slowly
What's going on with the wave of off topic questions?? It's like 5 in 5 minutes.... :(
1:27 PM
Welcome to the homework deadline's eve's day!
Homework's eve gathering
Mods we are desperate to ping
@ShadowWizard Good timing as I'm juggling cooking for a birth day party with installing Suse Linux on a pHANA.
and the delete scythe we swing.
(cooking: 90% completed. Suse: nowhere as I don't even have access to the VPN that should give me access to the box)
what's a pHANA?
googling it links some... thai show
@JourneymanGeek p = Physical
1:36 PM
what's a hana? ;p
and heh, after about 3 days, and breaking the install half a dozen times, I worked out how to get into the bios of my new tablet
@JourneymanGeek Hey, gimme a minute...
ohh. wait
why would you install an OS on an application?
@JourneymanGeek your tablet has a self-destruct combination???
1:37 PM
It's a BFM : Big Fµçk!ng Machine
@Fabby sounds yummy! :D
@JourneymanGeek Erm, the application need an OS to run on???
@EKons its a cheap chinese piece thing....
Its suprisingly nice for being cheap but runs windows 8.1, and upgrading it is turning it into an adventure
apparently I can't do a clean upgrade cause the touchscreen won't work
@Fabby SFM sounds less painful then
uh? 8.1?
1:38 PM
I need to use a chinese version to upgrade it...
@JourneymanGeek It's the heaviest, meanest machine I've ever iinstalled myself...
@EKons it was about 50usd ;p
yeah... maybe Windows isn't the best thing to put inside a tablet...
95 Kg including packagin: 85 (guesstimate) without. Has 6TB RAM...*
@JourneymanGeek well a new screen for my device cost $17 online, where it cost at least $100 in a shop
1:39 PM
@EKons in theory I could possibly run linux on it
@ShadowWizard oh the whole machine
hahaha good luck
@Fabby ahhh
@EKons but the touchscreen is apparently a bit odd on those.... notice a pattern?
At this point I can reliably recover a known good OS if I mess up
@ShadowWizard Starter: tuna, egg, mayonaise, pepper, nutmeg, vaduvan (spice mic) refrigerated, and then scooped into a half cooked and peeled also refrigerated peach
Main course: 1 duck, 1 pheasant, mushrooms, onion, garlic, tikka massala
@Fabby fast forward to cake :D
@ShadowWizard Schwarzwalder torte: chocolate cake, cut in 2, smear whipped cream and brandy-soaked cherries in the middle, put both halves back together, smear some more whipped cream on the outside, decorate with shaved chocolate and powder sugar.
1:43 PM
@EKons for triple plus fun....
its unbranded
so I can't say, just download the drivers somewhere
like, a cheapo OEM brand nobody knows about?
@EKons yup
@ShadowWizard Wild duck!
@Fabby sounds like one of those $100 cakes I see in bakeries..... :P
One of these if you're curious
1:45 PM
@ShadowWizard (received from a Baroness from her cousin's hunting party: she didn't know what to do with it
@ShadowWizard It's about 3$ in ingredients.
@Fabby was the duck alive when she got it?! :D
@ShadowWizard It was when her cousin shot it!
@Fabby good for you, if you decide to sell it! :P
@ShadowWizard I'm deciding to have it eaten by 7 people.
@JourneymanGeek waaait... that's... literally unbranded...
1:46 PM
@Fabby oh.... how can it be the duck didn't duck the bullet??? :D
(the 8th is gluten intolerent, so he only gets the ice cream...)
@EKons Yup
Its literally unbranded
also, I like how they put the Android buttons under the Windows UI in the third picture...
@ShadowWizard Hard for the duck to duck one of these
:D ;-)
Drink! BRB...
> Brand Name: Glavey
yeah... do I believe that or not...
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