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12:04 AM

Also no one but Sonic says chaos emerald and I feel he should earn his dupehammers :p

Is that really spam? I mean it seems like it's a boilerplate PR reply, but it at least answers the question (mostly) and discloses who it is.

Journeyman Geek

I think emails in answers triggers smokey

forest

Ah good point, the email in combination with the word quality triggers it.

Journeyman Geek

Not sure what specific keyword it id

Is

forest

metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/133717 says the keyword is quality. Of course I don't really know how Smoke Detector works that well but that's what it looks like. :P

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

6:04 AM

chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/315013/… (@Shadow @rene)

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Mobile can't close

UI is terrible

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

6:31 AM

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Request desktop site

Option in most mobile browsers to simulate a desktop viewport

Somewhat

Ha, Android app can close!

back to the corner of the room...

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@Somewhat I don't trust it's working well enough

Anyway... real computer now, closed.

rene

7:31 AM

more r/a then spam

rene

8:42 AM

delv-pls 20K eth meta.stackexchange.com/questions/315015/…

rene

10:56 AM

→ 29 messages moved to Chimney

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

11:29 AM

@rene y no ping? Anyway.... Kaboom!

rene

oh, yeah. sorry

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

12:27 PM

plz-delete facebook meta.stackexchange.com/questions/315018/… @Bart (sorry @Bartek can't avoid pinging you when pinging Bart) @rene @JourneymanGeek

rene

already voted

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

:/

Mithrandir

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard actually, a ping for literal Bart won't ping Bartek

Journeyman Geek

12:43 PM

gone

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard my phone is semi decent so I actually use SU and MSE in desktop mode on it

its not perfect (though its better with the responsive designs)

But modding and meta-meta-modding on mobile mode(s) is a pain

Mithrandir

@JourneymanGeek stackoverflow.com/c/moderators/questions/802

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@Mithrandir 99% sure it will. Many people complained about it over the years...

Journeyman Geek

I am pretty sure partials will ping

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Only super ping won't ping the other Bart.

(as it's using user ID)

(and only appears like normal ping to us after you're using it.)

Journeyman Geek

Ya. I requested a less super superping for non mods in the past ;)

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

12:54 PM

But since most people here aren't mods... it's not really relevant here in Tavern.

Mithrandir

we've tested this with me and @Mithrandir24601

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

You're a mod.

Mithrandir

Partials will ping, unless that partial is the full of someone else.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

One site on SE is enough to have mod powers in all SE.com chat rooms.

@Mithrandir guess we can know for sure only by asking Bartek if he got Bart's ping or not.

I'd say he got.

Again, your test isn't relevant since you're a mod and your pings are probably "super pings".

Journeyman Geek

nope

superpings are something very specific

Mithrandir

12:57 PM

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard it'll show up as highlighted, and since you pinged him with the same message that test won't work

What you have to do is ping @Bart, separately, first.

Then ask @BartekBanachewicz if he got a notification for the above message.

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Bart Do you mind if I rename my sock "Bartbot" for testing? ;p

Somewhat

1:21 PM

Maybe I'll change to Bartender

> Display name may only be changed once every 30 days; you may change again on Sep 19 at 7:13

:(

Journeyman Geek

1:38 PM

@Bart Testing

ya, will ping partial too

Bartbot

Journeyman Geek

I don't ever use aibo here soooooo

Optimus Prime

@JourneymanGeek going to rename my sock to Journey ;p

Journeyman Geek

hah, so I get pinged every time you do?

Optimus Prime

think so

have to wait few hours

Journeyman Geek

1:49 PM

naw, maybe 10 minutes or so

Optimus Prime

waiting

oops!! I forgot to change it to Sho or Cat

now need to wait 1 month

Journeyman Geek

hah

Bumblebee

.

Journeyman Geek

If it was main chat, you could have done the reparenting trick

Optimus Prime

I don't have enough rep on other sites

wait the association bonus

Bumblebee

1:55 PM

Sho & Cat isn't available in main chat

Optimus Prime

^

Journeyman Geek

Cat's on main chat

Sho is odd and is not ;p

Optimus Prime

np

let me disturb you for one month

;p

Somewhat

will it be one month before he kick it? stay tune in The Tavern™!

Journeyman Geek

lol

Lets just say if I end up kicking someone here...

they probably deserve it ;)

but eh, as long as no one confuses us, I don't care about a few extra pings. I get pinged more than you for cvs and delvotes anywayz

Somewhat

2:09 PM

as long as it's not a bot, and it's not borken

John Dvorak

In the meantime, the Feeds bot runs around rampant, pinging everyone, daily.

And always at midnight.

Journeyman Geek

@Somewhat kinda amusingly, at least as a main chat mod...

I kick sparingly. Usually I hand out suspensions

the one time I kicked someone, I saw something... that was really shocking and disturbing and I kinda was too upset to actually think straight

And tbh, kicking is an odd thing since it literally dosen't do very much other than give an RO a way to disrupt some behaviour

John Dvorak

Let's not jest about suspensions after what happened yesterday...

Journeyman Geek

ehh, quite seriously ah

I'd rather have people talk through stuff like that first

It is a lot less stressful when people know they can and others take it seriously

Both in terms of people being mindful of their own behaviours that may annoy and in terms of our reactions to them

Somewhat

2:28 PM

Mar 21 '16 at 21:33, by user315433

Problem: bjb has stopped doing kick-worthy things.

Journeyman Geek

tbh, that means someone solved a problem

Journeyman Geek

2:39 PM

Hi @Chair. How's it. ... sitting?

user392547

@JourneymanGeek Slouching would be a better word.

Journeyman Geek

true but that's less obvious

user392547

If it was obvious, you wouldn't have asked.

Journeyman Geek

Yet I did.

Somewhat

huh, my country's official immigration site says this...

> Database connection error (2): Could not connect to MySQL.

user392547

2:43 PM

@JourneymanGeek Wait, what?

Journeyman Geek

@Somewhat Its broken

@Chair "how's it sitting" is an obvious ~~plant~~ chair joke

user392547

News for y'all. The physics SE redesign has a positive reception! In 2 days, it has a net score of +2!!

4

user392547

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, but slouching isn't the most usual answer. The nondescript ones are 'ok' and 'fine' and such atrocities.

Journeyman Geek

or "easy"

but that's a little TOO clever?

user392547

@JourneymanGeek Indubitably.

rene

2:48 PM

@Chair we don't need much to be happy \0/ ;)

user392547

@rene Or surprised? ;)

rene

Nah, we knew it had to be good within 6 to 8 weeks ...

Somewhat

I haven't been lurking network-wide meta today, but I'm too sleepy...

user392547

I was surprised enough to hop over to the Physics chat room to ask people what the hell was going on with that, since math got -115 and electrical engineering (which was released at the same time as physics) had -3.

Journeyman Geek

maybe people actually like it?

user392547

2:51 PM

@JourneymanGeek Apparently there's less whitespace now ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Somewhat

Many shared this opinion:

1

A: English Language & Usage's updated site theme is ready for testing!

It wasn't broken; why did you fix it?

user392547

@Somewhat I think from SE's perspective, it was broken. The old system wasn't letting them run updates and feature changes apparently.

Journeyman Geek

More or less, yeah

and do themes for new sites at an acceptable clip

Somewhat

I certainly support SE in this case... I don't even have (too many) problems with current new design~

user392547

Actually, I gave a less perfunctory glance to the new rollout post, and it looks like a reasonable number of the latest sites have positive scores! Christianity is way up on 7 and Gaming has 5.

Journeyman Geek

2:54 PM

@Somewhat I feel the process can use a little work - but I am not the person to complain about bad web design

user392547

I didn't think that reception would vary this much across sites. As far as I know, there weren't any significant changes between the approach for Math/Superuser and Physics/Gaming/English.

user392547

It's strange, why do the new sites like it all of a sudden? Maybe the voting on the older introductory posts was severely skewed by initial shock and a lack of comfort with the new themes.

Bartek Banachewicz

3:16 PM

@Mithrandir nope, didnt

Somewhat

!?

Journeyman Geek

@Chair SU has a theme

the new theme was a mess

and a newer site would have less investment in the current look

or have a simpler theme

Somewhat

Of all sites, I'm still doubting if MathOverflow will get new design...

Journeyman Geek

MO is a little unusual no?

The last SE 1.0 site?

Somewhat

Yes, it's in "Not in Progress", which could mean "maybe later"...

Journeyman Geek

3:22 PM

Yup

But I suspect the process would be a little different?

but that's for someone who works for SE to figure out ;)

Catija

As far as I'm aware, no one is exempt.

"Not in progress" just means "we can't work on 60 sites at the same time".

John Dvorak

I still don't like that wording

Somewhat

On the other hand, not even a single meta post on MO regarding the change of watch/ignore tags...

or comment flagging, or new contributor indicator...

Journeyman Geek

Not sure if that's good or bad ;)

but as I recall MO's a little different? ;)

user392547

@JourneymanGeek When I said newer, I was thinking about those getting the theme later. Of course, it looks like generally the bigger sites got the themes first, so there is a corellation

Journeyman Geek

3:35 PM

@Chair kinda makes sense - the tricky thing is really that the older sites have simpler themes

and in theory would be 'easier'

SU's current theme is mostly our old theme translated to the new framework

and we're mostly ok with it other than the stuff people are generically unhappy about

(I personally am a fan)

Somewhat

Perhaps Arqade is one of the oldest site that got their new design smacked?

(my internet is currently slow and boring, time to sleep~)

💤

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

4:53 PM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/315024/…

Dukeling

6:44 PM

> I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's off topic.

Probably not my best moment. Just too much effort to figure out how to describe what's actually wrong with a terrible question that I prefer to not think about too much.

(For what it's worth, I did delete the comment almost instantly - I just needed some way to vote to close in a way that made some amount of sense)

John Dvorak

@Dukeling went with unclear

rene

@Dukeling I have seen I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is so with your added reason you are already doing better ...

John Dvorak

If you can't make sense of a question, slap it with that. Too broad and POB probably also qualify.

Dukeling

My initial thought was "I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because... No!", but that's probably a step too far.

John Dvorak

> I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's not a real question

πάντα ῥεῖ

6:53 PM

@JohnDvorak Yeah, extrapolation has its limits.

rene

@Dukeling not very welcoming, yes ...

John Dvorak

Have I already said that I miss Not Enough Effort?

πάντα ῥεῖ

I think you did so

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Dukeling I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this does not appear to be about [site] within the scope defined in the help center.

Dukeling

8:03 PM

@JohnDvorak "Unclear" not exactly a helpful reason though, assuming the goal is actually to tell them what's wrong with their question (if OP clarifies their question so I can figure out what they're actually asking, presumably starting with putting whatever's in the link in the question itself, it would still be off topic). Off topic at least tells them "[this is not] about programming within the scope defined in the help center" and points them to help/on-topic, which may explain things somewhat.

Fabby

8:47 PM

@Tinkeringbell What was that all about?

Tinkeringbell

@Fabby I was handling chat flags?

Fabby

Djeez, some people think they're entitled to ask for help and then abuse the helper...

Tinkeringbell

I don't know ... doesn't feel like I should discuss the details in here ;)

Fabby

@Tinkeringbell Yeah talking about the room you just froze.

OK...

Just venting is all...

I've learned something today: take a print screen immediately if reacting to a flag.

Tinkeringbell

@Fabby I understand. :)

Fabby

8:49 PM

I'm an old fart so not easily offended.

Tinkeringbell

@Fabby Why would you do that? A form of disaster tourism?

Fabby

@Tinkeringbell No,

Just to ensure that if no chat mods are around I can take an informed decision.

I hardly ever confirm rude flags, but today I was happy to have a chat mod around!

Tinkeringbell

@Fabby Ohh. Well, basically, one of the things that I don't tolerate very well is name calling ;)

Fabby

Any other tips you can give me?

Mithrandir

@Fabby When you accidentally close a window in Chrome, you can reopen it using ctr-shft-t, just like a regular tab.

Oh wait...

Fabby

8:52 PM

:D :D :D

Tinkeringbell

I don't do much chat flag handling, because I'm pretty new at this too. But click the link to the transcript, see what the context is... In this case, it was pretty clearly one person being not nice :P

So that's when I went 'Hey, I can do this one' :P

Dukeling

@Fabby Always carry a towel. Don't feed them after midnight. Don't blink.

Fabby

Yup;, my assessment of the situation too.

It was a first for me.

@Dukeling :D :P :D

the hitchhiker ring is more important that the towel...

Hitchhiker's guide, gremlins and???

(don't blink?)

Tinkeringbell

@Fabby Then just take your time to see what people do, how they react to chat flags. It's cool you can see them now, doesn't mean you have to act immediately :P I've only handled two chat flags so far. Both after I became a mod.

Dukeling

@Fabby Doctor Who.

Fabby

8:57 PM

@Dukeling Ah. never been into that any more since they changed the doctor on me.

@Tinkeringbell I've handled 20-some in various languages.

First one where I would have acted.

The other times it was more of a calming down the kids effort.

not this kind of calming down the kids!

:D :D :D

Weird that my Vorlon avatar is still showing up here.

All other sites is now a cute doggie.

Ah! Different Chat server!

changing here too.

Uh?

It just changed...

@Mithrandir you doing some magic in the background???

Mithrandir

Nope, I have no power here...

Fabby

Or did the SE server react to my telepathic sync order?

@Mithrandir Then it must be my new superpower:

I think of something and the situation changes!

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

9:50 PM

@Fabby there's a ring?? That's new, or my memory is failing me... (been 15+ years since I read the original)

I remember a towel, spaceship, guide.... but no ring...

And the floating people part of course...

Fabby

Mmmh... maybe that was in the movie? Been while...

P.S. @Mithrandir:

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

The movie was.... lacking... tons of things.

Fabby

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Yeah, but the sad robot's voice was grandiose!

Hold on!!!

Journeyman Geek

@Mithrandir YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE

Fabby

I only noticed now you changed you user name!!!

Mithrandir

9:53 PM

@JourneymanGeek that was fully intentional

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@Fabby best part of the movie, no doubt. ;)

Fabby

I'm an idiot!

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@JourneymanGeek U2

??

running diagnosis on @Fabby

Fabby

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard ShadowWizard = Shadow the welcoming wizard.

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Running Diags on ShadowWizard...

So how long ago did you change your user name???

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@Fabby yup, I changed... though I semi regret it as I'm failing to be welcoming to some... oh well. I tried! It's hard to adjust. :)

@Fabby you can see in my chat history, it's a known trick

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

9:56 PM

Dec 26 '17 at 11:57, by M.A.R.

@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard You're not a hedgehog wizard

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@Fabby you thought I'm... someone else? :D

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard try harder

Fabby

More than 24h...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Fabby

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard No I knew it was you because of your avatar...

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

9:58 PM

@Fabby here you go

You can see the switch in there

Fabby

I only noticed the rename after like 3 responses...

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@Fabby but it's also changed

She grew up a bit

Fabby

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard I still recognized her...

I thought jus just changed the avatar and then I swa you changed both.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Fabby

P.S. If you want to know how I look, do a view-image of my profile avatar and look at what it's holding between its paws.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

10:00 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog hehe, that was nice. :D

@Fabby nice feature! Is there a tool for that?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Can be done with Photoshop

Fabby

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard hey, hey, I might be an idiot, but I'm not that stoopid!*

:D ;-) :D

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

lol

Fabby

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Yeah...

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Time to slay another tainted monster, cya!

Fabby

10:04 PM

Lemme look it up because I've been carrying it around for a few years.

Ciao!!! (Hebrew for bye)

:D ;-) :D

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@Fabby that's... not Hebrew. :)

Fabby

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard That's Italian, French, English, Hebrew, Russian, ...

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Ciao

The word "ciao" (; Italian pronunciation: [ˈtʃaːo]) is an informal salutation in the Italian language that is used for both "hello" and "goodbye". Originally from the Venetian language, it has entered the vocabulary of English and of many other languages around the world. Its dual meaning of "hello" and "goodbye" makes it similar to shalom in Hebrew, salaam in Arabic, annyeong in Korean, and aloha in Hawaiian. == Etymology == The word derives from the Venetian phrase s-ciào vostro or s-ciào su literally meaning "I am your slave". This greeting is analogous to the medieval Latin Servus which...

All else are slang. :D

Fabby

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Ciao is ciao in all languages, just like "Robot" is...

0:-)

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

To be honest... it's not used a lot as slang for long time. :P

(kind of out dated)

Evan will be mad.... cya!

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

10:07 PM

@Fabby "Taxi"

Fabby