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5:14 PM
@Catija You are always welcome to Parenting.SE!
 
> Be polite and friendly with others.
 
@AnneDaunted I've come a couple of times. :) It's a good site. I've been wondering about asking "How to stop a almost two-year-old from taking off his clothes in the middle of the night. Right now we're using zipper bodysuits and a safety pin.
 
I agree we should be polite, but "friendly" may be taken wrongly?
Later, all posts will start with "Hello, good morning/afternoon/evening."
 
@Catija So why not go ahead and ask?
 
I'm too exhausted from waking up to a toddler who's taken off all his clothes and then woken up wet, crying?
:P
The safety pin seems to be working... though he doesn't like it.
 
5:20 PM
Too exhausted to ask a question, but not too exhausted to delete comments over at IPS? ;-)
 
I've been deleting very few recently. The two new mods are too fast for me. ;)
 
@Catija are they too warm or something along those lines? (speaking as a 100% unqualified person =)
 
Being too warm doesn't explain why he takes off his diaper, too... I think he just doesn't like having a wet diaper, so he wakes up in the night after peeing in his sleep and undresses like he's getting a change... but there's no one there to change him, so he goes back to sleep.
 
@Catija ah.
 
I'm sure the people over at Parenting could help you with that. And I know that you write excellent answers and people looking for help could profit from it.
 
5:28 PM
@AnneDaunted Looks like someone already asked it anyway :P parenting.stackexchange.com/questions/1430/…
Looks like our solution was pretty much the same... other than we're using a safety pin instead of putting it on backwards.
 
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@rene you're getting me downvoted, you've completely misunderstood the answer.
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@Ash it's very clear, as rene knows from his own room rules. Unfortunately meta works like that, One person makes a negative comment totally derailing the post and the downvotes and comments cascade. — Yvette Colomb 48 secs ago
 
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Time for me to get off the site. Meta truly makes me angry sometimes.
 
@Catija But you certainly have a lot of advice to give.
Think of all the stressed out parents after countless, sleepless nights
 
@AnneDaunted really giving the hard sell here ;)
 
5:36 PM
@heather Better help them than the yuppie trying to hit on a headphone-wearing girl
 
Hey, I didn't answer that question. :P
 
@AnneDaunted don't like IPS, i suppose?
heh
i think that's the first time i've actually seen the word yuppie used in conversation.
 
That's so 90ies no?
 
@heather No, not at all. I'm not saying she should leave IPS, just maybe spend a bit more time on Parenting
 
One thing that I'm afraid of is "No harassment. This includes, but isn’t limited to: bullying, intimidation, [...]"
We have seen some users felt as if they're bullied and intimidated by other users, when it didn't really happen.
 
5:42 PM
@SomewhatMemorableName So true
But mods can investigate these claims
 
@AnneDaunted I haven't actually written an answer or question on IPS in months. :)
 
@Catija You are really giving me a hard time
Okay, what about the nice people we have over there?
 
"There" being IPS or Parenting? Rory's awesome. :P
 
@Catija Parenting - Rory is even a mod over there. Then there's anongoodnurse etc.
 
5:48 PM
I know. :) It's a great site. Stephie is my co-mod on A&C.
 
Stephie is also very active over there. She also suggested the cool new name for our chat room
 
Considering I stopped reading the CoC temporarily to post an answer, the more I read down further, the more struggling it becomes. "Flag the harmful content." is normal, but again, removing "not harmful" chatty/thanks comments, or greeting/salutation on a post is also expected, and some users already didn't agree with that...
 
Can a 10k+ user tell me why this question was deleted?
 
self deleted
 
@Undo In that case, why does the 404 page list it as "removed for reasons of moderation" rather than "voluntarily removed by its author"?
Did other users cast delete votes?
 
5:56 PM
Unlikely... it was dupe closed.
 
FWIW @TimPost, I'm really happy with the changes in the second draft of the CoC. There are still details I dislike, but you guys nailed the important things: you further emphasised moderator discretion (and vaguely implied that good faith is a shield against being punished for technical violations, albeit not 100% clearly), removed the silly Simon Says "uncomfortable" clause, and made the rules on tone less draconian in your unwelcoming->unfriendly change (and corresponding change of examples)
 
In the end, we will probably go welcoming as far as robot does
 
@YvetteColomb I've carefully worded my comments. It can't be just me then that sees something that needs clarification.
 
@Catija Did you actually check?
 
I'm still not certain that the new CoC actually serves a purpose, but I'm no longer scared of it, like I was of the first draft; I don't think it will do any harm as it stands. Which is a significant improvement, given how many problems the first draft had. So if others see some value in the CoC as it stands in the second draft, then I am entirely happy for them to have it.
 
5:58 PM
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog The deletion is attributed only to the OP, not anyone else... only the CMs can see the delete votes in the history, though.
 
@Catija Strange.
@Shog9 Why does this question show as "removed for reasons of moderation" when the author was the only one to delete it?
 
the problem i see with it (the new one) is it's a step back from rule lawyering... but... realistically that's all it is going to be used for. If you broaden it out it's just going to open it up to interpretation.
 
because the author is deleted
 
@Shog9 Is that a bug, or intended behavior?
 
:shrug:
 
6:00 PM
If it's a bug, is it too complex to fix?
 
I don't know
 
@MarkAmery I'm scared if the CoC will be used as a shield to prevent deletion of friendly "thanks", "you're welcome", etc comments...
 
as a rule, checking ownership of deleted posts is a little bit tricky
 
Also @Shog9
10 hours ago, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog
@Shog9 Still waiting for your responses to my comments here, here, and here.
 
@SomewhatMemorableName Eh? What in the CoC could possibly imply that we can't delete "thanks" comments any more?
Ah, the generous feedback thing?
> Be generous in both giving and accepting feedback. Feedback is a healthy part of our culture. Good feedback is kind, respectful, clear and constructive. Be open to receiving feedback.
 
6:01 PM
No explicit, but "be friendly with others".
 
I kinda didn't take that in TBH
So, this actually ties in interestingly to something I've thought about a few times
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog if that's about that multi-part feature-request I declined, the onus is on you to provide a sensible justification for it. I don't have the bandwidth to do the leg work to see if there are other scenarios where it makes sense right now, particularly since my gut feeling is that there aren't any.
 
@SomewhatMemorableName The new CoC surely doesn't invalidate this.
 
@Shog9 It's not. (By the way, which request are you referring to?)
 
Leaving aside whether it's ultimately useful and just focussing on my emotional response... I actually really like receiving praise in comments
I usually end up flagging them, but
Waking up and checking my notifications to find a "Best answer here, this finally made this click after reading about this for hours" or "Great answer, never would've thought of all these edge cases" starts off my day in a good place
 
6:04 PM
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog then, one-line summary please. I have 20-some bug reports and at least 30 FRs I want to review before the end of the week, so kinda crunched for time.
 
Also, what is the cookie with the most edits here on MSE? — Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog Feb 24 at 11:02
If an accepted answer is negatively voted, will it be deleted automatically if the owner's account is deleted? — Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog May 12 at 4:21
I think you should revisit this, because it can lead to some odd circumstances: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/310298/…Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog Jun 8 at 18:19
@Shog9 Oneboxed for convenience
 
And - touching on the point @Shog9 has made a few times about different kinds of comments with different audiences and different lengths of time that they need to be around - I can imagine a world in which it was possible to indicate what the purpose of a comment was, and leave a "thank you" comment that would automatically fade out in 30 days and be hidden by default for everyone except the post author, and thereby serve the objective of allowing praise without creating clutter
 
@MarkAmery There was a discussion someone made about "signed voting"
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I don't know, and wouldn't feel comfortable sharing that
 
Most of the conflicts that exist around how to use (and moderate) comments result from the fact that they currently serve a whole bunch of completely different purposes that require different behaviour
 
6:07 PM
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog yes
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I'll add that to my list
 
@Shog9 For the third comment, also see the follow-up comment I left:
Not only does it have those "odd circumstances" above that should be looked into (that anonymous users will be redirected to a deleted question if the dupe has no answers), but you should also consider that on meta sites, the restriction that questions can only be closed as duplicates of answered questions doesn't exist. — Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog 2 days ago
 
@MarkAmery I really feel like the proper solution to that is some sort of explicit phatic response feature.
 
@Shog9 I have no idea what that means
 
We run into so many problems with comments precisely because they're a catch-all - the infernal Swiss Army Knife of response features.
 
> it's a "meta is broken" issue, and one of my next priority piles to dive into. -- Tim Post
 
6:10 PM
In fact I think this is the first time I've ever seen the word "phatic"
 
You can use them to answer, to express an emotion, to inform the recipient "I am here and hear what you say", to discuss, debate, critique, insult, annotate...
In linguistics, a phatic expression is communication which serves a social function, such as social pleasantries that don't seek or offer any information of value. Phatic expressions are a socio-pragmatic function and are used in everyday conversational exchange typically expressed in situational instances that call for social cues. In speech communication the term means "small talk" (conversation for its own sake) and has also been called "grooming talking."For example, greetings such as "hello" and "how are you?" are phatic expressions. In phatic expressions, speech acts are not communicative...
 
em-phatic, sym-phatic, anti-phatic?
 
for me at least, learning about phatic expressions was kinda eye-opening. I'd always thought of these as... something of an annoyance, the communication equivalent of an appendix: never useful, occasionally painful.
Turns out, they do serve an important role. It's just not a role that has a direct connection to their literal meaning.
 
Yeah, I think somehow separating comments into "critique", "praise", and "request clarification" classes, and having the site and the mods handle those differently, would be a positive thing
(As in, allowing the poster of a comment to pick which of those they were doing)
Hmm, and also "Add tangential information", I guess
 
6:13 PM
BTW, those last two comments are, in a nutshell, why I am not fun at parties.
 
Jun 25 at 20:56, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog
Stack Exchange is a great system, it would be very effective if most people using it were on the autism spectrum. Put it in the hands of neurotypicals, and it starts to go awry.
 
@Shog9 I am a huge hypocrite when it comes to positive feedback. It's a thing I've noticed in code review. I become demoralised if I don't get patted on the head and told I'm a good dog every now and then, but when I'm reviewing my colleagues' code the only thing I think to do is find the things that are wrong and rip them apart. I have no instinct to praise people.
It's a thing I'm consciously trying to work on.
 
@Shog9 You're a ton of fun at parties once you pass out, don't sell yourself short.
 
@MarkAmery same. Except, I don't even accept praise well; I become immediately suspicious of the motives of the person offering it. Both fertile areas for improvement.
 
Y'all use passed out employees as canvases?
 
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6:15 PM
@rene I meant people that go around targeting users. what is not to understand? you have that policy in socvr. That's why I was so upset by your comment. And once you commented the post then is downvoted. It happens all the time on meta. You need one well worded comment to derail the post. Instead of clarifying, you condemned the post. Of course I know things can be discussed on meta. But your comment was hypercritical
 
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targeting a users post you've just shutdown site-meta's and any chatroom that involves moderating posts. Both meta and mentioned chatrooms can't operate without targeting a users post. — rene 51 mins ago
 
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you took it out of context, that we couldn't examine a user's post and then changed it. By then the negative momentum started.
 
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It's actually upsetting
 
@Shog9 not all praise comes with ulterior motives. Sometimes you're just good at something. :)
 
@Catija I already know what I'm good at. Anyone telling me what I already know must be up to something... ;-P
 
6:18 PM
Fine, your cobbler sucks man, now can you please bring some to the next meet up?
 
Well, how are we supposed to know what you know?
 
@TimPost cobbler doesn't travel all that well. Were you at the meetup where I brought empanadas?
Those came out pretty good.
 
No, but there's no reason you can't repeat it :D
 
@Catija SE has that april fools mind-reading feature, right?
 
deep-fried cherry-cream-cheese empanadas are one of life's great pleasures
 
6:20 PM
@Shog9 do you do mail orders? cuz those sound amazing.
=)
 
URGENT QUESTION! sweet pickles on biscuits & gravy: great idea, or dangerous gamble?
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Sweet pickles are always bad.
 
@Shog9 sausage gravy? That works.
 
worth a try then. BRB, breakfast
 
@Shog9 that sounds dangerous...*sweet* pickles?
 
6:22 PM
pickles for breakfast? I thought Catija was the pregnant one :/
 
@Tinkeringbell what's wrong with pickles for breakfast?
 
Depending on the pickle, many pair well with egg yolk too.
 
@YvetteColomb sure, I understand. Still it is the code of conduct and if it gets enforced I want to have sure for myself what you will enforce. If that includes targetting posts from users I want to be 100% we're on the same page. I think that is important for the users that moderate their main sites. I don't think our opinions on it differ but your wording didn't make that clear to me at all.
And while I don't fancy to upset you or anyone else on this site, I'm not going to hold back on asking for a clarification because it might lead to down votes.
 
That nice salty-sour-tarragon-y-aniseed-y brine with yolks .. mmmmmmm
 
6:24 PM
Pickles are great with the usual cheese, cold meats, good bread and 7 cups of coffee.
 
@TimPost Eggs are just as bad for breakfast! :P I've tried an English breakfast once, all the fatty stuff made me a tad nauseous :). Maybe for lunch, I've definitely had fried egg and pickle (and some other stuff) for lunch...
 
eggs are fabulous!
 
@Tinkeringbell you would not like biscuits & gravy then. Fat w/ fat on top of fat + starch
 
The older I get the more I eat grains and fruit in the morning and then stop discriminating against everything else based on the time of day. Eggs are a perfectly good supper or even snack.
 
...I'm not a huge fan either. Gotta add something to cut the richness; I usually go with cranberry sauce, but I don't have any made up ATM... these pickles are working great
 
6:25 PM
@Shog9 I know, I've been sent the pictures. I also am still amazed why someone would consider adding pickles to that AND eat it for breakfast ._.
 
stick-to-your-ribs food
 
@Tinkeringbell The Germans are crazy for English breakfasts, (well, in hotel breakfast bars anyway). Olaf claims that it's just because it's different than what they usually have... (maybe).
 
@TimPost Yeah. That actually sounds like breakfast. grains, fruit, maybe yoghurt... ;)
@MartinJames It is, that's why I tried it too. I couldn't finish even half the plate... and I spent the entire morning burping
 
I've spent entire mornings being far less productive than that
 
i prefer pancakes with some scrambled eggs and maybe some good crisp bacon. that's a really good breakfast.
 
6:27 PM
@TimPost Oh sure. I like to sleep till lunch too :P
 
@Tinkeringbell pictures don't do it justice. I'm not sure anything does it justice. Drawing and quartering would be too kind.
 
I don't really eat breakfast.
 
Waffles. I'm allí about the waffles these days. Waffles with fruit and maybe some sausage
 
@Catija But it's the most important meal of the day!
 
@Tinkeringbell It's just so strange. I sit there with my hard, brown bread, ham, pickles etc. and the Germans are piling up bacon, sausages, eggs, beans etc.
 
6:28 PM
the southerners have, I've observed, this idea that every meal should kill you, and thus presumably spare you the indignity of having to eat again.
biscuits + gravy, tea + its weight in sugar, sweet potatoes + marshmallows...
 
You find beans and tomato in most English breakfast arrangements, right? Or is that a strictly British thing?
 
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@rene you didn't come in asking for clarification, you slammed the answer:.
 
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targeting a users post you've just shutdown site-meta's and any chatroom that involves moderating posts. Both meta and mentioned chatrooms can't operate without targeting a users post. — rene 1 hour ago
 
OK, waffles with pulled pork, pastrami, sweet chili sauce and cream and a cherry on top.
 
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you actually shut down my answer.
 
6:29 PM
@TimPost They are essential elements, yes.
 
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As I was meaning targeting the person under their posts with comments or votes
 
Bread and sprinkles makes for an awesome breakfast too if you really want to bounce through the morning. But yeah, most 'normal' people over here eat either bread or the grains/fruit/yoghurt. So I can imagine that being true, that Germans are so fond of English breakfast just because it's different.

The first time we went to Disney, I ate choclate cornflakes for breakfast for a five days, because we didn't have those at home :)
 
oh yeah, the southerners came up with chicken + waffles too. Though I gotta admit, that's a pretty damn good combo.
 
Fried chicken and waffle sandwiches are one of my specialties
 
smoked sausage egg and cheese buscuit
 
6:31 PM
@Shog9 I actually visited Paris once for school, and stayed with an older couple. They had the same idea I guess, 3 or 4 massive croissants for breakfast, and an entire soup bowl of tea (I got good at declining a second), also cornflakes...
 
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that is what upset me rene. It was so nice to have a post going well on meta. It happens infrequently and you had to draw negative attention to it. You have a lot of sway @rene whether you realise it or not. There's a few people who do. And for those who struggle on meta, consider being nicer and perhaps thinking, maybe I'm not understanding and "ask" not accuse
 
@YvetteColomb I see that differently but I don't think we're going to agree on that.
 
@Tinkeringbell yeah, that's a lotta butter!
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Waffles, hot cherries, whipped cream and vanilla ice cream!
 
6:32 PM
@Shog9 I usually smuggled the croissants into my bag, ate the cornflakes and poured half of the tea into the houseplant
 
lol
 
@YvetteColomb Okay, will try.
 
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@rene you have great influence on mse and more so on mso
 
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use your powers for good not evil (that was a joke!)
 
@YvetteColomb I don't think so
 
6:33 PM
@YvetteColomb 'You have a lot of sway' - that's because of the large petal to stalk ratio: rene is not very aerodynamic.
 
@TimPost that sounds pretty great
being a sandwich makes everything better
 
@Tinkeringbell Waffles and ice cream are a great combo. Stuffed french toast is in the same ballpark, me thinks.
 
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@MartinJames he has that pretty face, surrounded by petals
 
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I love how the rest of the room is devoutly ignoring us (thank God for small mercies)
 
@HDE226868 I think I might just spend my vacation cooking American food.... There's enough recipes in here by now ;)
 
6:35 PM
@YvetteColomb I'm trying to not be pro-active in the whole 'welcoming' thing - I don't want to be detonated.
 
@TimPost Yeah but now I'm curious.. is that just called sandwich because it involves two waffles and some fried chicken in between, or am I missing something?
 
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@MartinJames you've been going great guns :)
 
@YvetteColomb Heya Yvette! I almost didn't see ya! :P
How's the filly doing?
 
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@Tinkeringbell she's so good and healthy. Up past my waist, she's bigger than our other foal who is 5 months :)
 
@YvetteColomb .. but only defensively. I don't think it's a good idea for me to go over the top and walk slowly across no-persons-land:)
 
6:37 PM
@YvetteColomb Nice :D
 
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she has food dropped on her from mum eating (the white speckles)
 
@YvetteColomb Wow. She's grown quick!
 
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yep she will grow to about 5 foot 7 or 8 at the withers (base of the neck)
 
@YvetteColomb hahaha. Does mom do that spit cleaning thing? I hated when my mom licked her thumb then started to remove a smudge from me! :P
 
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6:39 PM
lol
 
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she kinda does, nuzzles
 
@YvetteColomb FWIW:

1. Contra everyone else, I actually think your answer was making a good point; user-targeted voting is something that it's repeatedly been emphasised on Meta is explicitly forbidden, and spelling that out in the CoC seems reasonable for me. But...

2. The tone of your response to rene wasn't productive, and certainly doesn't befit a mod. Commenting vaguely to say that something makes you "angry. Very angry" is hostile and unproductive. Nor does rene singlehandedly have the influence to "shoot down" your answer. Nobody has, or practically can have, a right not to receive
 
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@MarkAmery you failed to mention the irony of this unfolding under a post advocating tolerance. I was intolerant and the person to whom I was intolerant, didn't think we should have the tolerance point. Irony wrapped in irony.
 
Tolerance. It's a though field Yve
 
In case everyone is hoping to drag this on for a while: I've moved on already. I suggest we all do.
 
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6:44 PM
@rene yes I have too flower pot man
 
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2 australian brumby foals
 
@Magisch oh but we got many lurkers here who never post! :D
@YvetteColomb irony overflow?
 
7:31 PM
@Shog9 Before this gets stuck in the mud due to opinionated downvotes, please look at meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312875/…
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog it's a duplicate; reported early this morning
hang on...
 
@Shog9 Use your Master Emerald
 
ah, no, the original is on MSO
 
@Shog9 Comment with cross-site dupe
 
looks like a feature
 
7:38 PM
lol, IE 11 a 'supported' browser... I would have said 'propped up with scaffolding and acrows'.
 
@MartinJames Technically, IE10 is also supported, although it's extremely outdated
Why does starting a bounty on a given day lower the rep cap for that day?
 
could someone flag this for me please? I apparently "can only flag for mod attention 11x per day".
it's a link only answer, so vlq
 
7:54 PM
wut..
it doesn't even have a link in it
 
dang it, linked to the wrong one
where did that link go...
sorry about that, nvm
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Wild guess: there was some loophole being used to siphon off the rep you gained above the rep cap to people you like by bounties :P
 
@Tinkeringbell Perhaps
 
8:26 PM
man... if that loophole was still open i coulda given away so much rep from that one answer
over the course of a week i missed out on nearly 25k rep due to rep cap ;)
 
peanuts :3
 
that's such an edge case though...
 
8:51 PM
you can however spread your rep out via downvotes
 
9:24 PM
@KevinB Edge? So it doesn't work on Chrome? ;-)
@Tinkeringbell sounds like something @nicael did... and got suspended for...
(I think)
 
9:54 PM
@Shog9 personally, i think you should go with some Tabasco sauce on your biscuits and gravy. though Tapatío makes a decent substitute if you don't like the taste of Tabasco
 
i'm not... a huge fan of tabasco
it's ok on some things; a ham sandwich, a bowl of beans...
but, I just don't care for it as a general-purpose condiment
the wife, she puts it on gravy, on potatoes, on eggs...
dumps it on until, sitting at the same table, that's all I can smell
 
i grew up eating biscuits and gravy with Tabasco. most people think im crazy
it does have a pretty strong smell. mainly the vinegar i think, which is why most people dont like it that much
 
I like vinegar though. There's just something about the pepper itself
 
have you ever tried gravy on your eggs? thats pretty great as well.
 
a local restaurant / VFW does a chicken-fried steak & eggs breakfast once a week, I'll catch that now and then
Tabasco does a jalapeno-based sauce as well; I prefer that one
louisiana sauce is also good
 
10:02 PM
I have this diner nearby that does omelettes topped in gravy with biscuits and gravy on the side.
 
room topic changed to Cooking on the Meta
 
chicken-fried steak w/ gravy is one of those things that is... even at otherwise-competent diners... often done very poorly I'm afraid
but done right, I much prefer it to biscuits
biscuits are better with jam, used to sop up egg yolk
 
i havent had chicken fried steak w/gravy in awhile. i should have that sometime after i get off my diet
for now i get to be boring. a protein shake in the morning, chicken for lunch, and salad or eggs for dinner. with lots of veggies
 
braised chicken + wild rice is a pretty damn good meal
 
yeah, thats true. im just limiting myself to ~100 carbs a day. currently most of those are going into my protein shake
 
10:13 PM
that's not very many carbs :(
 
They do make low-carb protein shakes...
 
yeah, not much. about 2 cups of rice is 100 carbs
 
That's a ton of rice, though.
 
or 2 cups of raw oatmeal
 
@Catija depends if cooked or uncooked
ton of protein in wild rice though
 
10:16 PM
i could probably add a small amount of rice to my chicken at lunch and cut back the oatmeal in my protein shake to 1 cup instead of 1.5
that would spread out the carbs a bit more and keep me feeling fuller more of the day
 
two eggs + 1 cup milk makes a good breakfast shake
 
@Shog9 Even cooked, that's a lot.
 
and 2 cups of cooked rice is ~100 grams. 1 cup uncooked is around 150
 
@Catija I'm... sitting down to lunch which is 1.5 cups wild rice in broth
wild rice is really fantastic stuff
 
my breakfast shake is 1.5 cups of raw oatmeal, some protein powder and coffee
 
10:19 PM
... OK, let me rephrase... for people who are actually watching carbs, it's a lot...
And wild rice isn't really the same thing.
 
hey, if you're on a high-protein low-carb diet, wild rice has gotta be an improvement over normal rice
 
it does have less carbs than regular rice per cup
 
lotta fiber, protein... yes, carbs, but oh what wonderful carbs they are
 
35 carbs per cup vs 45 carbs per cup cooked
and yeah having more fiber is always good
 
simmer for an hour in broth, toss in the chicken & braise until done... heaven
 
10:27 PM
depending on how long i am on this diet i may have to switch to fish for lunch for awhile to change it up a bit. at least you can season chicken and fish a lot of different ways to add more variety
 

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