« first day (2837 days earlier)      last day (2177 days later) » 
01:00 - 14:0014:00 - 00:00

Derpy
Derpy
2:02 PM
that said is still not clear if EU users should do anything at all.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
That thr GDPR can affect them complicates things a bit
Er I also said 'every company writes it's tos based on local law
@Discretelizard says someone who is using a psudonymn.
and I've used one for years and I've never used that as an excuse to be nasty
 
Discrete lizard
Discrete lizard
@JourneymanGeek Says someone who is trying to quote
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
add a > in front
 
Discrete lizard
Discrete lizard
And failing
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
> like this
 
Discrete lizard
Discrete lizard
2:08 PM
Yeah, I did. Can I both link and quote?
> The answer is “real identity.” On all those other platforms, the people in your network know who you are. You’d be an idiot to use racist language on LinkedIn, where employers can see your CV. And on Facebook, your family can see whether you’re a jerk or not. So there is built-in behaviour moderation.
Ah, > and a space.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
That I don't remember
 
Discrete lizard
Discrete lizard
@user3956566 Given that people nowadays are happy to post all sorts of hateful posts on facebook under their own name, I don't think "real identity" is the answer.
@JourneymanGeek Neither did I, hence the failing.
 
Derpy
Derpy
@Discretelizard Facebook and real identity in the same sentence ? I get they are getting smarter at closing down fake account?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Discretelizard the FB account I use the most is... under a fake name
 
rene
rene
As if this is your real name ...
 
yagmoth555
yagmoth555
2:24 PM
FB can possibly profile you anyway by analyzing your contact name
 
Derpy
Derpy
@yagmoth555 or by logging your call history, if you did the mistake to link your whatsapp account to them...
 
yagmoth555
yagmoth555
@Derpy yeah, or by geolocalisation if you open the FB webpage on your mobile
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: How can I generate a vanity Bitcoin address? by Angel T on bitcoin.SE
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Discretelizard I grew up in a small town. You could get your name in the paper just by getting pulled over for speeding. Folks still got pulled over for speeding. And worse.
I feel like folks who make the "anonymization == bad behavior" argument haven't paid attention to how folks act IRL much.
 
Discrete lizard
Discrete lizard
@Shog9 To me, it mostly sounds like an excuse for companies like Facebook to try to invade further into people's private sphere. Like the 'please allow us to detect your face in pictures to protect you from people mistagging you' rationale.
I think that the lesson is that if you want moderation, you need moderators, to a certain extent.
 
Shog9
Shog9
2:40 PM
@Discretelizard yup. More'n that... You need a culture - shared social expectations, and recognizable indicators for when you've crossed a line.
You can't substitute mob rule for that. Folks'll whip each other into a frenzy over something trivial and allow the egregious to go unchecked.
 
Suraj Rao
Suraj Rao
I think that pretty much sums up twitter
 
Mgetz
Mgetz
@Shog9 I could link two two stories of people calling police on their neighbors for really stupid things
so yeah
 
Shog9
Shog9
yes, my neighbors have done that a few times
 
Mgetz
Mgetz
Yeah these were doing "__________ while Black"
one was napping
 
Shog9
Shog9
yeah, that's crap
 
Discrete lizard
Discrete lizard
2:46 PM
@Shog9 Yes and if you want moderation to be scalable, you need the tooling to support it as well. I think that's where Wikipedia sort of failed. The wiki software works well for collaborative editing, but if your only way of preventing people to do something that is always bad is to ask kindly and hope you can revert it quickly, then well... that's just asking for trouble.
 
Derpy
Derpy
@Discretelizard it goes far worse beyond that. Remind the "send us your compromising pictures so that if they get reposted we can identify and remove them" campaign ?
 
Shog9
Shog9
we create these institutions to mediate intractable disputes, but they're readily used as a way to avoid talking to the people right next to us... Which ends up having a disproportionate affect on the least powerful among us, since they can readily be targeted but not as readily bring action against their attackers.
@SurajRao If your peers don't check you when you're going off the rails, it doesn't much matter whether the name you go by is on file at the courthouse somewhere or user38231801 - the chance of a mob showing up and trashing your reputation isn't a deterrent since it can happen to anyone without warning or recourse.
 
Discrete lizard
Discrete lizard
@Derpy Oh right, how could I forget that one.
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Discretelizard AFAIK, something they've realized over time is that moderation requires folks to have a consistent identity within the system itself - not necessarily an identity they use anywhere else, but simply one that doesn't change on a whim.
Of course, this is a tough retrofit
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Shog9 people change identities on a whim ;p
 
rene
rene
2:52 PM
@Derpy I didn't had any so I had to hire someone to make some ... I felt left out ...
 
Derpy
Derpy
missing the original I see....
 
rene
rene
\o/
they turned out blurred anyway
 
Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer
3:17 PM
Is there any automatic punishment for users with too many rude comment flags?
Regardless of rep?
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
There's no punishment for flagging too much, though there's a rate limit.
 
Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer
Opposite of that sorry
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
No punishment for getting flagged either, IIRC, though a mod can well step in
 
Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer
Because it could be abused to target people?
 
Andy
Andy
If a user gets hit with multiple rude flags, an automatic flag is raised for moderators to look at.
 
Shog9
Shog9
3:21 PM
@SterlingArcher a special mod flag gets raised containing a link to the user's past flagged comments and the moderator who handles is expected to know what to do
 
Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer
Ah ok, that's good
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
more like not worth meta brainstorm to determine the limits
 
Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer
Also hi and good morning
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
Morning
 
user359686
morning
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
3:22 PM
TIL about the autoflag
 
Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer
My replacement tower came last night so I can finally get back to suffering at the hands of Alien: Isolation
I'll tell you what that game is absolutely terrifying, and nerve wracking. No way in hell I'm porting it into VR
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
Too many heart attacks in potential players?
 
Shog9
Shog9
suffering on a tower... are you a monk?
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
I think he meant a PC case
 
Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer
lol so I got a gaming PC, and 2 weeks in, the motherboard has a power supply issue. So I just got my replacement after 10 more days of waiting
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
3:24 PM
Either that, or a cool design table
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Keeps away from people.Suffers on towers. Totally a hermit.
 
Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer
Having an oculus Rift and nothing to plug it into is a hell I wouldn't wish on anybody.
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
I have nVidia 3D glasses, which only work with CRTs. Also, not a single CRT.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
o0
 
Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer
What's a CRT?
 
Shog9
Shog9
3:26 PM
Stylite
A stylite (from Greek στυλίτης, stylitēs, "pillar dweller", derived from στῦλος, stylos, "pillar", Classical Syriac: ܐܣܛܘܢܐ‎ ʼasṯonáyé) or pillar-saint is a type of Christian ascetic who lives on pillars, preaching, fasting and praying. Stylites believe that the mortification of their bodies would help ensure the salvation of their souls. Stylites were common in the early days of the Byzantine Empire. The first known stylite was Simeon Stylites the Elder who climbed a pillar in Syria in 423 and remained there until his death 37 years later. == Ascetic precedents == Palladius of Galatia tells of...
I could not remember that name.
 
Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer
How do you survive 37 years on a pillar? Did somebody bring him food?
Or a magazine?
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
@SterlingArcher cathode ray tube screen. Works by shooting electron beams through vacuum onto a phosporescent surface. You should be able to remember the technology.
bulky, flickery, power-hungry. At least they looked cool when smashed with a bowling ball.
 
Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer
I remember when they tried to make 3D tvs a thing
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
Don't they still?
 
Shog9
Shog9
they're getting pretty flat these days
except for those weird curved Samsung deals
 
Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer
3:32 PM
I'm not sure if people have any interest
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
It makes sense for a PC
 
Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer
That's what VR is for :P
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
I'm sure everyone and their cat will want a 3D TV once Apple starts selling those :P
The same happened to tablet PCs, too
 
Mgetz
Mgetz
@JohnDvorak Still preferred in the fighting game scene because of their near zero latency
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
Do those 5ms really play a role?
 
Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer
3:36 PM
Eh, the day I want to put on glasses to watch TV is the day they make movies into a VR experience
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
I still have an IMAX theater in my city.
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
probably not, but neither does wearing your lucky hat
 
Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer
IMAX 3D is still the best 3D
not that real 3D crap at the movies
 
Mgetz
Mgetz
@JohnDvorak actually yes, 5ms in and of itself isn't horrible but the Grey to Grey is usually 16ms which is within both human perception and reaction time
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
Oh, and actual theaters? They have been 3D for a very long time, though low on the VFX front.
 
Shog9
Shog9
3:38 PM
 
Mgetz
Mgetz
@Shog9 TL;DR doing composition and rendering on the CPU produces lower latency
but reduces visual fidelity
 
Anonymous
4:10 PM
 
Anonymous
> All editing operations should commit and paint in under 16ms. The editor should never make you wait for anything.
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
4:22 PM
In the eighties this would have been considered "tough constraints" :-D
 
hey
hey
4:50 PM
@JourneymanGeek suffering alone? or suffering together? (or suffering alone in the midst of people?)
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
People are suffering man
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
@SmokeDetector k
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
5:23 PM
And another FR about "comment throttling":
-1
Q: Replace blocking new users from commenting with annoying new users who comment

Won'tOkay, I know you've already downvoted this. I did too. That's fine. Please just read a bit more before you close this tab. tl;dr: Instead of requiring 50 rep to add a comment, throw up a modal (with an ever-increasing mandatory wait when used in close succession) describing what comments are, an...

feature-request comments new-users
 
hey
hey
@πάνταῥεῖ I also thought of this idea before, like adding 10 consecutive modal dialogs for those who are in danger of post ban...
But alas, we welcome new users... to ban hell :(
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
@hey I also had the idea to bring up `i.downvoted.because.se` as a selection choice for downvotes, similar like with close votes. :-P
We all had those weird ideas, about how to deal best [Somebody else's problem fields](http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Somebody_Else%27s_Problem_field)
beyond just seeing that you could simply use it as a _"weapon"_ :3
Markup failure with pinging. How awkward :-/
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@πάνταῥεῖ ugh no
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
The markup or the weird idea? For the latter that was quite what I thought.
 
hey
hey
iupvotedbecau.se/¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Feeds
Feeds
5:35 PM
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
/shrug
 
NobodyNada
NobodyNada
@Feeds ...you okay, Feeds?
 
hey
hey
@Feeds is this... some "live progress" XKCD (again)?
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
@NobodyNada Probability is high you didn't get the joke ;-)
 
NobodyNada
NobodyNada
@hey No, Feeds is just borked somehow
 
hey
hey
5:40 PM
Wow, so exclusive to Retina user! Not welcoming! >_<
 
Princess Luna
Princess Luna
xkcd glitched
Onebox for convenience ^
 
Anonymous
6:04 PM
Rust
Rust is an iron oxide, a usually red oxide formed by the redox reaction of iron and oxygen in the presence of water or air moisture. Several forms of rust are distinguishable both visually and by spectroscopy, and form under different circumstances. Rust consists of hydrated iron(III) oxides Fe2O3·nH2O and iron(III) oxide-hydroxide (FeO(OH), Fe(OH)3). Given sufficient time, oxygen, and water, any iron mass will eventually convert entirely to rust and disintegrate. Surface rust is flaky and friable, and it provides no protection to the underlying iron, unlike the formation of patina on copper surfaces...
 
Anonymous
oh no
 
Anonymous
the site was left out in the wild for too long
 
Anonymous
now it's all rusted up and nothing can move
 
Anonymous
a little pressure and things start flaking off
 
canon
canon
6:43 PM
That Jay Hanlon apocablog reminded me of this discussion: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/338601/621962
 
Shog9
Shog9
heh...
there's "we" and then there's "I"
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
or "J"
 
hey
hey
There's no "I" and "U" in "They"!
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
there is an e and a y
 
Shog9
Shog9
I mean... This is the threadbare conceit of liberal arts education: "it teaches them to think!"
no... no it doesn't
it provides an opportunity, but not necessarily even a good one
 
Félix Gagnon-Grenier
Félix Gagnon-Grenier
6:49 PM
xkcd.com/169 oh that's big. vaguely related actually unrelated. w/e
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
No one is even eager "to think", or at least to learn how to do it :3
 
hey
hey
"I think. Therefore, I'm confused."
 
Shog9
Shog9
folks go to school mostly to get work. Folks go to Stack Overflow mostly to do work. If you want to teach, you gotta do so while giving your students what they need.
 
hey
hey
(okay, time to sleep instead of spouting nonsense...)
 
Shog9
Shog9
There are plenty of opportunities on the 'Net to learn how to think, to learn how to program, to get better at programming (perhaps by using thought...)
...but that's not generally why folks land on SO
Doesn't stop anyone from writing an answer that educates, nor should it... But if you don't actually answer the questions that folks actually ask, then it's unlikely anyone's going to listen to you.
and "we" can't do that. Only you - for your own answers - can do that.
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
6:54 PM
what if the person asking specifically says they want to learn
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
@Shog9 Well, the hardest part of is to convince your students what they really need, not what they think of it just passing "the exams". Even harder with apprentices appearing in your professional environment. They've passed those apprentice tests you consciously applied, and tuned together with the team's expectations. Then you see, you've adopted someone, who was exactly trained for these tests, but nothing to get beyond that.
 
hey
hey
I learnt Android by myself. Yet, that's my job now and I survived without asking any questions on SO...
 
Shog9
Shog9
relatively few people ever ask questions
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
Self learner always is a good starting point for everything you approach.
@Shog9 Or at least the right ones.
 
Shog9
Shog9
well... by the numbers, far far more people ask questions of Google than of Stack Overflow
right or wrong
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
7:04 PM
Google Fu is a thing, of course.
 
hey
hey
I guess it's true that programming (or anything) is not for everyone.
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
That brings me to the ole' FR to improve SO/SE's search feature ;-)
sd tp-
@hey Especially anything it is :3
Hi my friend, nice to cya again.
@Shadow
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@πάνταῥεῖ don't think it's needed, personally I think the internal search is really fine.
@πάνταῥεῖ oh, I'm here from the instant the ban expired. ;)
And I became a twitter dedicated user, for good or bad...
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
There were loads of discussions about that at MSO. The search feature is much worse than google.
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
So guess it means less time here... for good or bad. :/
@πάνταῥεῖ you can't compare them
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
7:14 PM
@ShadowWizard Me too (seen that o' course)
 
hey
hey
Regarding "learning how to program"... yeah, I encountered this question from MSO... feel bad for the asker.
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
SE internal search got advanced features that Google can't give.
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
@ShadowWizard Same, same :-P
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@πάνταῥεῖ yeah, but each of us too different "branch", or whatever it can be called. :)
oh, oops, meant the above about you becaming twitter user ^
 
hey
hey
If SE's search feature was better than Google... SE would be bought by Google
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
7:15 PM
I was quite happy to find that "Squirrel" tweet recently. No more oil into the fire, but well, just innocent humor.
 
hey
hey
insert "wait until next year" joke
 
Shog9
Shog9
@ShadowWizard yeah, but there's no way to combine that with Google's search. So if I want to search for posts that contain a certain sequence of code, for example, I'd probably use Google... But now I can't just limit that to answers in a certain tag posted by a certain user.
I can get close with keywords, but...
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@Shog9 that's true
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
I always used google to come to SO/SE
 
Travis J
Travis J
@Shog9 - Has anyone suggested moving away from elastic search?
Internally I mean.
 
Shog9
Shog9
7:18 PM
And this is a problem when discussing the "goodness" of search. We can't (and shouldn't) replicate Google's ranking system, but we could certainly do better as far as how we construct queries and match on various types of text.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@TravisJ I think they switched to it ;p
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
Quora comes up with weekly joke parades :-)
 
Travis J
Travis J
@JourneymanGeek A long time ago, like 5 years?
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
Not google.
 
Shog9
Shog9
@TravisJ no, we just upgraded. Why?
 
Travis J
Travis J
7:19 PM
It just seems like the structure of elastic search may not be a good fit for the type of material being searched.
 
hey
hey
There was a Google Hangout-y livestream for Elastic upgrade, no?
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
Frick, google is simply too good. We should do something about that AI s**t. That'll cost our jobs in future :-P
 
hey
hey
Like, Duplex?
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
Yup
 
Travis J
Travis J
You just upgraded to elastic search or you just updated it? From my understanding SO has been using elastic search for quite some time.
 
Shog9
Shog9
7:20 PM
@TravisJ updated. We were kinda stuck on an old release for a long time
And... I don't think the issue is so much Elastic as it is how we interface with it
 
Travis J
Travis J
Really? I am not so sure. From my understanding Elastic stores long strings of information about posts and then regexes them.
The advanced features in search (is:question) are SO's implementation of minimizing the set of post strings it searches. That aspect works well in my opinion. The text matching though, that aspect does not work well.
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@Shog9 maybe do some sort of cooperation with Google to integrate both? For example discuss with Google ways to implement advanced search option in the Custom Search plugin used in stackexchange.com
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
@Shog9 I have no clue about your internal search engine, and how it works. But isn't there feedback for google search statistics from their API if configured? Can't that be used to make SE search better?
 
hey
hey
But SE's now using internal search for SE's global search...
 
Shog9
Shog9
@ShadowWizard have you looked at stackexchange.com's search recently?
 
Travis J
Travis J
7:25 PM
I feel like search is the most neglected aspect of the exchanges.
 
Anonymous
@πάνταῥεῖ VTC Unclear What You're Asking
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@hey whaaat? Really? Let me see....
 
Shog9
Shog9
Google's Custom Search isn't something you really want to use anymore
they don't let you pay for it, and are getting kinda obnoxious with the ads
 
Adam Lear
Adam Lear
@TravisJ Not quite. Elastic is an actual search engine, not just a pile of regexes. The advanced operators like is:question are used to configure the queries we send over to elastic that filter down types of documents. It's essentially a nosql db that we shove a bunch of objects/properties into
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
@user1114 That was more like an answer than a quesiton.
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
7:26 PM
@Shog9 oops, yeah... no more Google there
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
@Shog9 I see.
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@πάνταῥεῖ the light? ;)
 
Anonymous
I remember back in the day when Google had a search API so open you'd have random IRC bots using it.
 
TylerH
TylerH
@user1114 Yeah back with Caprica used to be useful...
 
Travis J
Travis J
@AdamLear It is an actual search engine in that it provides searching mechanisms to data. However, while its structure and maintenance may be advanced, its core utility makes use of regexing the long string nosql rows entered.
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
7:27 PM
@user1114 until it probably got billions of daily requests and crashed their servers to they had to shut it down...
 
Shog9
Shog9
Google's search isn't magic. They make a lot of hay by simply indexing a LOT of stuff, including weighted connections between things... but there's a tremendous amount of work put into honing those weights and especially in identifying various use-cases automatically and adjusting for them.
That's where you get away just... typing stuff into Google without spending a ton of time on operators.
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
 
Travis J
Travis J
I would bet that Marc could write a better search engine than Elastic in a month :P
 
Adam Lear
Adam Lear
@TravisJ I meant more that there's more to how we use it than just a regex for whatever query you put in. there are actual linguistic analyzers hooked up, stemming, etc. All that good stuff.
 
TylerH
TylerH
PS @Shog9 - have you had a chance to look at this from TJ? IMHO it would help a bit w/ new users posting better questions (albeit probably a tiny amount)
 
Shog9
Shog9
7:30 PM
@TylerH yes
 
Adam Lear
Adam Lear
Not saying how we use it is necessarily good, but. Let me put it this way. I implemented whatever passed for search in Documentation (RIP) and it was lightyears behind Q&A search because I had no idea what I was doing in terms of query config :P
 
Travis J
Travis J
@AdamLear I get that it is complex, I just don't think that it is effective.
 
TylerH
TylerH
@Shog9 kk
 
Adam Lear
Adam Lear
Improving it on our end is a matter of tweaking query config per query type... possibly even per-site. I honestly don't think the issue is Elastic per se, though that's not to say there aren't potentially better/easier tools out there
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
A regexes' core tends to grow ugly and unreadable.
 
Shog9
Shog9
7:31 PM
@TylerH Which is to say, I've had this open in a tab since November. Turns out just looking at something doesn't actually accomplish much.
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
DSL might be a better choice.
 
Travis J
Travis J
Documentation.. I really loved that feature... anyway... Documentation needed to have a more recursive graph structure instead of a flat hierarchical structure. There needed to be subtopics of topics, and subtopics of subtopics.
 
Bart
Bart
@Shog9 is that why I got nothing done today?
 
Anonymous
@Shog9 Yeah, I use Google's search internally at Google, and as you suggest the results seems less "smart", because there's less data. But the intranet is smaller than the web, so it's certainly good enough.
 
Shog9
Shog9
(actually just this afternoon closed enough tabs to put that one back near the top of my stack)
 
Travis J
Travis J
7:32 PM
As a result of the flat structure, it was hard to query.
 
TylerH
TylerH
@Shog9 Well yeah I have bookmarks and tabs and unrolled tweets from 2016 I'm still trying to go through...
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
@TravisJ Sentimentalist!
 
Travis J
Travis J
@πάνταῥεῖ I really am, it's awful. My wife complains about it sometimes.
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
@TravisJ Because you don't come to bed sometimes immediately?
;-)
 
Shog9
Shog9
@user1114 heh... That reminds me of back in the early '00s when Google had this little app you could run on a Windows PC that'd index files on your machine and cram the results into the public results when you searched google.com
 
Anonymous
7:34 PM
That was awesome!
 
Shog9
Shog9
so of course I pointed it at our intranet and finally knew where the specs were for shit
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
> I hate Unicode emoticons here BTW
 
Shog9
Shog9
(spoiler: they were duplicated on 20 different network shares because no one else could remember either)
 
Anonymous
Now that you mention it, the user experience is similar: half of the results for stuff related to my team's work are our own Google Docs docs, akin to the the Word documents that Google Desktop search may have produced.
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
@Shog9 Everything does a good job at searching our codebase ;-)
 
Anonymous
7:39 PM
It looks like gSuite has a "Cloud Search" feature, but it's really just searching your data stored in Google, it doesn't have any way of spidering other intranet content.
 
Travis J
Travis J
@AdamLear I feel like search would greatly benefit from custom heuristics.
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
Spam (or not): voidtools.com @Shog9
 
Princess Luna
Princess Luna
@πάνταῥεῖ context-pls
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
Search in general
 
Shog9
Shog9
@user1114 that's a shame. It'd be really cool if they had a plugin system you could wire up to search Word docs, Trello boards... Stack Overflow Teams teams...
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
7:46 PM
Yes, their API is quite poor. I see the pain.
 
Shog9
Shog9
I spend more time trying to remember where information lives than I do actually finding it in any one place
...except Trello. Finding anything in Trello is hell.
if I think something is in Trello I just give up
oh what a blessing it would be to search Trello with Google
 
Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer
Tried Trello.. hated it.
 
Shog9
Shog9
I wonder how hard it'd be to wire up Elastic to Trello
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
Anyways, google yields some pretty good search results with any SE site. If you're not so tempted to follow the 1st hit, and rather read the summaries before clicking.
But that loops back to: "Ask the right questions please, and be sure before attending here!".
There could be more annoyance about that point somehow, yes.
Otherwise I'd feel kidded about the professionals and enthusiasts statement from my major activity SO tag.
^A bit.
 
rene
rene
Test for spam?
 
hey
hey
7:55 PM
I thought it's a bitcoin address
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
Ka' Ching $$ --
 
hey
hey
converting Hex to ASCII returned "Ò´åÇ&öû\4,HRëöæ²mk9"
I'm probably missing something....
ah, yeah. I should have been asleep now 😴
 
rene
rene
@hey sleepy ...
 
hey
hey
Also, don't forget to help clean up the mess on Ethereum.SE
 
rene
rene
@hey already posted an allspam
thanks
 
hey
hey
8:00 PM
Welcome to Stack Exchange! Dumping an address here doesn't have any effect, please remove your post. — Glorfindel 2 mins ago
//shrug
sleep again
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
Yeah
/shrug
 
NobodyNada
NobodyNada
8:12 PM
SpaceX launch in 1 min: spacex.com/webcast
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
yesterday, by πάντα ῥεῖ
48 mins ago, by πάντα ῥεῖ
> There was a serious flaw in code published and positively promoted at your website and our spaceship crashed. Is there a way you could agree to participate with our losses? -Elon Musk-
 
Travis J
Travis J
@πάνταῥεῖ It was the facebook satellite. status-by-design
 
rene
rene
You stole my line, you dirty little plagiarizer. Shame! — Won't 21 mins ago
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
Probably needs an experienced Ornithologist to investigate further.
 
Sterling Archer
Sterling Archer
@Shog9 spacex.com/webcast in about 8 minutes the stage 2 engine cutoff, then landing :D
 
Anonymous
8:30 PM
 
Anonymous
It isn't entirely finished, but I think it already beats the "mobile view" of the site.
 
Anonymous
👍
 
Shog9
Shog9
8:53 PM
best part is that for pages that aren't responsive, you get the full desktop view - so things like user profiles are fully-functional
 
Catija
Catija
9:12 PM
If a question gets closed, SEDE knows who voted to close it, right?
 
rene
rene
@Catija yes, in the posthistory table, posthistorytypeid = 10, text column has the closevoters as JSON
 
Catija
Catija
Is there a query that would show who the most common first close voter is?
Or are they names not stored individually/sequentially, so you can't pull that out?
 
rene
rene
@Catija umm, I think I have that somewhere, hold on
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@Shog9 feels like magic
 
rene
rene
@Catija hmm, this for the last voter: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/224915/…, give me 6 to 8 minutes
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
9:19 PM
6-8 years later...
 
rene
rene
 
Catija
Catija
Thanks! :D
 
rene
rene
yw
 
Catija
Catija
Is it supposed to say "Most common first voter"?
 
rene
rene
?
@Catija that is what you asked, right? most common first close voter
(I just edited that label)
 
Catija
Catija
9:27 PM
OK :D
I just wanted to make sure there wasn't something weird going on.
 
rene
rene
it means that first user was for 80 questions the first close voter
where it doesn't have a name means a now deleted user
I can dig up their last displayname, if you need that
 
Catija
Catija
Ah, that makes sense.
Nah. I can find it pretty easily.
The highest one on the list I'm pretty sure I already know who it is.
 
rene
rene
Parsing JSON has become easy with the new JSON_VALUE: docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/t-sql/functions/…
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
10:00 PM
When I read M$ ny VLQ gpio pins tend to drive mad!
Bit bangs against the wall ...
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
English, please :P
@rene because who needs 1NF, right?
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
@JohnDvorak At your service sir:
But well, that could be arguably medium rare ;-)
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
10:35 PM
sd tp-
 
Martin James
Martin James
@πάνταῥεῖ Chateaubleedand
 
πάντα ῥεῖ
πάντα ῥεῖ
Extraordinary strain, yes ;-)
 
Shog9
Shog9
10:53 PM
23281
@GaurangTandon here's what I think makes sense: look at questions that got a reopen vote between 30 and 60 days ago where there wasn't an existing, pending reopen vote already on the question (so, not in review, would need 4 more reopen votes or a binding vote to actually reopen the question)
This gives me 2813 qualifying questions on Stack Overflow
Then look at how many of those questions got a second reopen vote
366 now qualify
finally, look at how many of those questions got reopened with a total of 5 reopen votes
311 questions did
this gives you a percentage of 85 for questions that get at least two reopen votes being reopened by non-binding vote
which is pretty respectable, really
of course, not very many questions get two reopen votes
 
Catija
Catija
What percentage of the ones with only one reopen vote had that vote cast by the OP? :D
 
user5389107
user5389107
11:24 PM
@Catija Idk, the 3000 privilege still applies right? I'd think that very few 3000+ OPs ask questions on SO regularly, much less get them closed regularly
 
Catija
Catija
@user5389107 Oh, sure. :) But coming from a beta site where we give out rep like candy in the US on Halloween... I think it happens a lot for us.
 
Shog9
Shog9
23282
 
user5389107
user5389107
@Catija IPS has a rep distribution problem with how easy it is to hit hnq
 
Shog9
Shog9
@user5389107 for your own question, it's 250
 
user5389107
user5389107
feels like every day some question from IPS hits hnq and then unless your answer is truly awful you'll guarantee a couple drive by upvotes
 
Shog9
Shog9
11:26 PM
@Catija ok, I wasn't really all that interested in the remainder that only got one vote, but I dug up a quick breakdown:
 
user5389107
user5389107
TIL you can vote to reopen your own question at 250
 
Shog9
Shog9
10% were asker-cast reopen votes
23% were binding reopen votes (moderator or gold badge)
 
Catija
Catija
@user5389107 Yup. Not sure how to fix it, though... I mean, there's the obvious choice but I don't really think "you aren't qualified to know if it's on topic or not, no close votes for you"... is the best choice... because that sort of implies that anyone ever knows whether something is off topic or not. But something around 50% of users with 500 rep on IPS got it from one post.
 
Shog9
Shog9
yes, rather more questions are reopened with a binding vote than with 5 non-binding votes
 
user5389107
user5389107
@Catija IPS could soon benefit from having non-beta privilege scaling applied to it, no?
 
Catija
Catija
11:29 PM
I don't like the implication that IPS is anywhere near ready to "graduate".
 
user5389107
user5389107
We're at a point where a decent stock of people have privileges to keep up with moderation even under that scheme. AFAIK you can ask for that seperately from coming out of beta.
 
Catija
Catija
Quotes used intentionally.
 
user5389107
user5389107
IIRC graduation and privilege level changes are independant
 
Catija
Catija
I don't know of a site that's done it but I don't really pay much attention.
Yeah... but the privilege changes are tied to getting a custom design... considering the current path...
 
user5389107
user5389107
Considering the current state I think IPS isn't quite on track
I can't predict what the CMs will do but it's really not good optics for the network right now
 
Catija
Catija
11:31 PM
Not really sure how changing the privilege levels on IPS changes the HNQ, though.
 
user5389107
user5389107
It does not
It prevents people getting advanced privileges from single posts though
(somewhat)
 
Catija
Catija
We don't have enough 20K users, though... or even 10K, for that matter.
... we have exactly one 20K user plus mods.
13 10K, of which two are mods.
 
user5389107
user5389107
point
maybe not such a good idea then
Maybe that's selective perception but participating in IPS in the last couple of days has been ... draining
 
Catija
Catija
I'd take an increase but not the full increase. We're just not there yet.
Chat has been hard...
 
user5389107
user5389107
Not particularly due to the usual reasons, it feels like the community is coming apart at the seams
I dread reading the TAS transcript lately
 
Catija
Catija
11:36 PM
Well, my last message is pretty good, if I say so myself. :P
 
user5389107
user5389107
I think some of that frustration of apaul's is rubbing off on me
 
Catija
Catija
Understandable.
 
user5389107
user5389107
at least the mods have it sort of under control
kinda the only thing stopping it from degenerating completly right now
 
Catija
Catija
Cascabel's been a big help.
 
user5389107
user5389107
yeah a lot of people at least care and make a decent effort
hopefully that'll pull through
 
Catija
Catija
11:40 PM
I know it's going to take a lot of time but I can't tell if we're being too careful, going too slowly... It's been a struggle to figure out where to draw the line when it seems like the playing field is a pool of water.
Some things are blatantly obvious... those are easy. It's the middle that we're having trouble finding.
 
user5389107
user5389107
Yeah it's a multi layered balancing act y'all are on right now
Between not letting the site go to hell and exercising enough caution to not drive people away with too firm actions
 
Catija
Catija
Right.
 
user5389107
user5389107
FWIW I think you've been doing a pretty great job of it though so far. I know we haven't always seen eye to eye but still
 
Catija
Catija
And that's why I've been trying to get people to be patient... sometimes I think it takes people seeing what doesn't work over and over a bit before we decide... you know, this doesn't work, let's put an end to it.
Thanks :D I've been more relaxed the last couple of weeks but I think maybe too relaxed. I need to dig back in but work is ... actually impeding me a bit... stupid work.
 
01:00 - 14:0014:00 - 00:00

« first day (2837 days earlier)      last day (2177 days later) »