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@if.... tbh, the new job is interesting

@JourneymanGeek You started a new job???

I mean the SRE's

cough

talking to someone about a new job tho! And its interesting if not short term.

Nice.

@if.... I'm under the impression Azure's for enterprise

(so smaller deployments + the client is probably paying ;p)

user202362

12:21 AM

let's talk about more interesting things ... nuclear rockets

user202362

surely if there are nuclear submarine, there should be nuclear rockets?

and erm. I do get the impression SE has slight product tunnel vision so, least until channels and enterprise gets mature or dies, I'd suspect most new hires are related to this unless, say there's normal attrition and there's a need to replace.

user202362

If you want to work remote…. (US or US time zones) We’ll help you set up a great home office, with an ergonomic chair, standing desk, and any other equipment you need to do your job.

I'm interested in seeing how they're going to manage the Channels... I would expect that the people they're built for (once the alpha is finished) may expect some sort of concierge service.

user202362

@JourneymanGeek ^

user202362

12:23 AM

trump's tactic working?

@TelautonomousKitty tbh, I don't feel technically good enough for SRE

Stiff competition aside, if I ended up at SE, it would likely be dealing with people like you ;p

user202362

devs don't have to deal with trolls, CMs do

yup

JG is not shy about saying he wants a CM job :P

I'm definately not a dev, need more experience in the right places to be a good SRE (or is that imposter syndrome speaking) ....

@Catija ONLY WHEN OTHER PEOPLE BRING IT UP :(

12:26 AM

He'll have to fight with Monica over it.

@JourneymanGeek No one was talking about CM jobs!!!

;p

@Catija see what @TelautonomousKitty said ;p

I do believe she actually did a very very subtil and effective troll ;p

@JourneymanGeek Your "likely be dealing with people like you" came up first.

user202362

I want to be hired as SE official troll, and get paid 5 baby chicks a year

however that word is spelled.

subtle

12:28 AM

ya, that

lol

(slightly stressed out over things. lol. Will abuse TL

Journeman Geek is so unsubtle, he can't spell it.

And he forgets closing parens.

@Catija lol.

Anonymous

@Catija No, that's Enterprise.

Anonymous

Channels will probably be low-touch.

@JeremyBanks based off the job ads, they were looking at something more like customer support than a traditional CM...

12:34 AM

@JeremyBanks I think that, depending on the pay scale of Channels, there may still be Concierge options... my understanding is that it's the size of the group using the product that determines which they'd use, over the amount they're willing to pay...

even if they shifted over a traditional CM to that

Anonymous

Ah, well. May be.

Someone has to help them figure out how their new site actually works... and the help pages aren't... really that helpful ATM... especially finding the right one.

Anonymous

proposal: Channels Users Stack Exchange Beta

@Catija though, I suspect people need to be familiar with the se SO way of doing things to even find Enterprise useful

more so for channels.

12:36 AM

@JeremyBanks HAHA Maybe they can just use Community Building.

(and while its a recurring, fairly stable revenue stream, I suspect the market for places that need a large QA based knowledge base is relatively small)

@JourneymanGeek Lots of people use SO but don't actually know much about it...

@Catija My cousin uses it extensively... without an account.

so the "building a knowledge base" thing's clearly working.

Though, SE's not really going to have any control of whether questions on Channels are close worthy or not... heck, they may not even use those features at all... "Where should we go for happy hour on Friday??? [poll]"

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I don't think Andy has an account, either... but he uses SO pretty much all the time.

@TelautonomousKitty so... I got bad news... When I said this job is money for nothing and chicks for free, I may've been exaggerating a bit.

12:40 AM

@Catija possibly by design

Its the boat problem all over again

Boats are problems? Are they sailboats... I've heard they're really difficult to maintain.

@Catija meta.stackexchange.com/questions/14470/…

Anonymous

boats.stackexchange.com

old SE history - there was a question on programming on a boat...

Joke Questions: Please Refrain

12:42 AM

Jeff Atwood on April 26, 2009

The problem of joke questions has come up more than a few times now, so it’s worth going over how we will handle them. In a nutshell, please do not post joke questions.

What do I mean by joke question? It’s a question that..

Looks authentic, but is a parody of a real question.

Describes situations that sound plausible, but are not based on fact or reality.

Describes situations that sound plausible, but are not based on fact or reality. …

there used to be a riotous of comments there, but somewhere along the line they got lost

user202362

@Shog9 but I can't be an official troll if you don't pay me ... I mean, if you are reluctant to ship me baby chicks, I can even accept an incubator and 5 fertilized eggs ...

Anonymous

> This is the 50th episode of the StackOverflow podcast, where Joel and Jeff sit down with Steve Yegge of Google and the most excellent Stevey’s Blog Rants.

Anonymous

Those were the days.

@JeremyBanks I've never listened to the podcasts.

Ah, yes... Back when folks were still talking about marshmallow marshes

Anonymous

12:44 AM

> Our favorite Stack Overflow question this week is: What do I need to do in order to be a programmer out at sea? Exhibit A in the eternal close wars. We aren’t sure this is a valid programming question, but some people object to it being closed. For that matter, some people object to anything being closed.

@JeremyBanks "For that matter, some people object to anything being closed"

Some things never change

Anonymous

I love joke questions.

@JourneymanGeek Ugh... I wish there were a way to prevent unedited questions from being VOTR... um... voted to be reopened.

deletion? ;p

1. It makes the problem mostly go away

2. OP can flag for reopening - I often comment first for that.

unrelatedly, I'm strange but mostly digging the new side bar idea

I'm going to leave the jury out until I actually get to poke at it.

12:48 AM

ya, but I don't have the kneejerk fear of moved cheese.

On the other hand, I'm traditionally overprotective of my vertical space

Oh, I don't, either... I try not to... but that doesn't mean I'm going to rubber stamp it before I get to see it in person.

I think the big arguement is I don't feel like ripping my eyes out everywhere else I see it.

Most sites have sidebars on both sides... SE's pretty unusual in not having it.

(ttrss , which is the only thing I probably use more than SE, gmail...)

@Catija cause SE's never really had it ;p

Its always been about the ~~benjamins~~ multisupercollidertopbar.

The topbar is useful... and there are really two of them... the SE top bar and the site top bar. My interpretation of the new sidebar is that it's breaking the site top bar in half, moving the all-site content into the sidebar and keeping the page-specific content where it is.

12:52 AM

yup

That seems reasonable, to me.

Why isn't the blog in the MSE sidebar, by the way? It's on the rest of the sites.

@Shog9 In your fancy new tagging procedure for blog posts, where does MSE sit? I don't suppose that would explain why the blog link isn't in the sidebar?

@Catija funny, I was just looking at that earlier today

MSE should qualify as a normal (but not Technical) site, and thus should get blog posts that have the [announcement] but not [bulletin] tags.

However, it doesn't

In fact, it only gets posts which are featured on MSE.

Ever

I thought I remembered it being there the first day it came out... but I may be misremembering.

Well, I have a theory

Which I haven't tested, spent like 3 minutes coming up with, and should therefore have zero confidence in...

...but which I'm pretty sure is 100% accurate because that's just how I roll

Eh, those are the most fun, anyway.

12:57 AM

Ready for it?

Are ya?

Get this:

Should I ask about it on MSE so you can share it with everyone???

"caching"

:/

@Shog9 its always caching

I refer you to the canonical source

12:58 AM

Is it fair for me to call you a tease?

> Advice may be invalid due to caching

But seriously: bulletin board contents are cached per-site

ALSO, there's a separate cache for the featured posts on MSE (that show up in the bulletin on every site)

For convenience, the class that figures all this stuff out has a routine called something like "GetCacheKey" that takes the current site and returns a string that's used to name the cache to be used.

So when retrieving the contents of the bulletin, first the routine calls GetCacheKey(currentSite) and if the cache associated with that name is empty or expired figures out what should be shown and caches it under the same name.

But before it does that, it calls GetCacheKey(TheSiteThatIsMetaStackExchange) and if that cache is empty it retrieves the featured items on meta and saves 'em under that name.

So, by the time it gets to the all-important "figure out if we have cached items and if not query the blog" step, it's already gotten featured posts from MSE and saved 'em under the name returned by GetCacheKey(TheSiteThatIsMetaStackExchange)

So when it calls GetCacheKey(currentSite) and the current site happens to be MSE...

...wonder of wonders, there's always a freshly-cached list of items waiting.

user202362

if SE ever need an official troll, I am the ideal candidate - I have 20+ years experience in trolling and consistently made successful flames

"Wooohooo!" sez the bulletin helper; "No need to query the blog! Today is a good day to be a lazy helper routine."

Then it merges those cached items with the cached items for the MSE featured questions (which are surprisingly always identical and thus eliminated), and sits back to drink a glass of port and smoke whatever the C# helper routine equivalent of a cigar is.

The reward for a day's work well done.

Hmmmm... So, it needs to query the blog before MSE?

1:05 AM

It needs to use a different cache key for MSE featured posts ;-)

Ah, I see.

Amusingly, it's already written to do exactly that: there's a special key that's used when the site is MSE. The problem is, the logic doesn't differentiate between "I need a name under which to store the results of MSE featured posts" and "I need a name under which to store the list of bulletin items on MSE"; all it knows is that it's being asked for a MSE cache key.

user202362

My resume reads like this: 1998-2007 lead troll on some gaming site, 2008-2011 troll on linkedin, 2011-2012 top troll on smh.com.au, 2013-now: troll @ (undisclosed site)

So instead of GetCacheKey(site), we need something like GetCacheKey(site, ButSpecialforNetworkWidePosts) or maybe just GetCacheKey(site) and GetMSEFeaturedPostsCacheKey() since that's the only place it is ever used.

Anyway, tell me that doesn't sound totally legit

Absolutely. (though consider the source)

1:10 AM

I thought it was a pretty good story myself.

So, my question is... how easy is it to fix? It's obviously non-critical... not having the blog show up on MSE out of everywhere on the network is pretty minor.

Especially the bit about port and cigars. You just know that's what the garbage collector is really doing when it pretends to be off consolidating memory somewhere.

@Catija eh, I put it on a list somewhere. Someone will look at it eventually.

But that entire featured thing seems to be a bit broken, considering my recent bug report about the hide and seek ex-featured posts.

Joe's been fuming about the lack of blog posts on MSE since last week, so I figure it'll probably get fixed eventually

@Catija yeah... THAT I have no idea if/when it'll ever get fixed.

@Shog9 Oh, interesting. So he sets a high priority for MSE showing blog posts?

1:13 AM

@Catija things may not work, but used properly, the blog is a pretty powerful long form communication tool. (which is totally why I was complaining about it being a bit naff on meta)

@Catija I think he puts a high priority on getting feedback from folks before we go rolling out huge breaking changes to the network and everyone sees them and sez "welp, this place has jumped the shark - time so start our own Q&A site" and leaves.

@Shog9 Life is like a box of meta posts... you never know which you're going to get.

@Shog9 Right... but there's not really people using only MSE, is there? If the blog post is everywhere else, seems like that's good?

@Catija ~~mostly lost people~~ MSE's kind of your core userbase

@Catija yeah, but it ain't really showing up everyone then is it

@Shog9 I'm having trouble parsing that ._.

1:15 AM

(Also, there were a few other, uh, unexpected behaviors that ended up causing the post to not appear on most sites)

I can understand being sensitive about it, considering the furor over the top bar that happened right when he joined... I'm not saying it shouldn't be important.

@JourneymanGeek everywhere then, is it.

Clearly, my writing could use more port and cigars

@Catija also the everyone.

@Shog9 Prioritization of that space? Does it have a max number of slots total or is it per section?

A: What criteria is used to select the links that appear in the "Hot Meta Posts" block?

@Catija so many questions...

41

The rules are as follows: If there is a community moderator election, a link to it appears in the bulletin. Events can be created with a start date and time, an end date and time, a simple title, and a link to something somewhere on the network. Current or upcoming events are listed, with those...

oh yeah, I forgot to edit that earlier

1:24 AM

@Shog9 ...

A: In what circumstances does Community User protect a question to prevent "thanks!", "me too!", or spam answers by new users?

ok, see my just-made edit - that should explain the other problem

and now for something completely different (but not really all that different):

0

This is sort of an edge-case, but it is slightly buggy (as animuson noted in the comments). The short answer here is that 3 deleted new user answers will trigger protection... As will two spam-deleted posts... And also: a post by a new user that is deleted as spam when at least one answer by a ...

...and finally, at 6:26PM, I've gotten through my inbox

now to make some sauce for mac'n'cheese

Bechamel?

well, it starts as bechamel

then I add cheese

lessee what I got...

oooh, a big ol' wedge of Jarlsberg

I usually add some beer too

so, whatever you call a bechamel sauce with mild cheese and beer

Roux> bechamel> white sauce> cheese sauce> beer cheese sauce?

good thing I'm not rouxless

...ok, that was lame, but in my defense I am trying to make roux

1:34 AM

Will you roux the day?

Remember, it shouldn't smoke... no cigars.

ah, got a bottle of Miller Highlife left. That seems an appropriate beer for mac'n'cheese

@Shog9 Ah, thanks for that post.

np

1:50 AM

While I support doing this, the real first step is to change the text that gives guidance for "Requires Editing". Currently, reviewers are doing exactly what the guidance is telling them to do. Expecting them to do differently isn't realistic. The real problem is that SE hasn't bothered to change that text in the 2 years since the change was requested. It's unconscionable that a change which would take such a low level of effort, but would at least start guiding people in the right direction, hasn't happened in the last 2 years. — Makyen yesterday

@Shog9

user202362

if you think about it, SE already send me 5 baby chicks worth of swag every year for the past 24 months, so in a way, I am actually SE's kind of official troll

2:07 AM

@Ano meh

folks massively overestimate the effect this would have

could have

putting 10x the number of questions in the close vote queue won't magically get 10x the number of questions closed

but, I've written all this on meta before

vast numbers of questions already get deleted, quietly and automatically; putting them in queue where they're shown to fewer people than they would be otherwise is a kindness.

The problem is they're still listed on /questions/tagged/<tag> by default

bjb568

3:06 AM

I still think a good way to increase SO’s question quality is to reduce the number of CVs needed to close to 4 or 3.

Or at least for new questions with zero or lower score and not previously reopened.

Anonymous

3:22 AM

google groups has a Q&A mode

Anonymous

maybe we can migrate stack exchange to that

SF&F.SE vs YouTube, coming soon on somewhere!

..... ewww

@bjb568 or migrate to DevDoodle

@JeremyBanks ehh. SE kinda does QA better than most. Most of the issues I think most people have are with the "what next? "

(careers seemingly taking over the corporate conciousness, documentation not quite working out...)

(What would twitter do? They're a unprofitable, massive platform that's too big to fail and have only one product ;p)

Anonymous

3:29 AM

Tavern on the Meta › Newly registered users copy whole answers

... dude...

that's like...

a forum

... clearly the boat meme is leaking.

Anonymous

I hear reddit is open-source

Anonymous

there's the solution, obviously

wonders if @JeremyBanks needs cake and grief counselling

Anonymous

3:31 AM

(actually, I don't think it is.)

well, technically you're the former insider ;p

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek I've been maybe tentatively getting into speedrunning so maybe I'll have myself some cake-chasing before long.

we're the kids with our noses to the windows.

@JeremyBanks eh, one does not sprint through portal.

Portal is soooo broken... by the TAS

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek Not the first time. Maybe not the second. But maybe the tenth.

3:33 AM

ah

Anonymous

:D

Anonymous

It has built-in timed modes. I loved it, but it's been a while.

Anonymous

I'd like to see WarCraft 2 speedrunning grow, so I'm offering $200 in prizes for the best new IL runs. :-)

Anonymous

^ getting my feet wet getting this category off the ground

Anonymous

Maybe try some of the more serious games/categories later.

Anonymous

3:36 AM

It's truly riveting. 😉

Anonymous

Warcraft 2 Orc3 3:56

►

Anonymous

it's a shame that the great old game warcraft 2 doesn't have any existing times to beat if you want to run it so we're fixing that.

4:27 AM

Offensive audit on SO: one of the reason you shouldn't moderating at work...

but hey, OP hasn't visited Charcoal HQ yet!

5:58 AM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/306924/…

7:09 AM

Okay, I'm scarily bored.

Jenna Sloan

@SensibleAlexander bored.com

ooh, StumbleUpon still works...

Jenna Sloan

Or you could go for a walk outside

anyway I wonder if Stack Exchange would work if its platform had been using blockchain technology...

brb

user202362

get pets, get toys, make an autonomous mini excavator

7:17 AM

@Catija yeah what balpha said. Nice find! :)

@SensibleAlexander anything with blockchain will work these days, even cats.

and make a fortune.

@SensibleAlexander why wouldn't it work?

user202362

too late to make a fortune with blockchain now ...

@ShadowWizard didn't visit that site for a long time... and I lost my account anyway

@SensibleAlexander heh, the image was removed now I wonder what was in there.... :D

@SensibleAlexander just log in with Facebook/Google this way you can't really lose your account. :)

7:32 AM

If you can convince Jon Skeet (and others with mega high rep) to change avatar to this, we have real chance of SE changing their mind. ;-) — Shadow Wizard 1 min ago

@JonSkeet ^

waiting

@Shog9 can moderators still ask for a unicorn? :D

@TelautonomousKitty not sure, I think that any new virtual coin will still earn its creator few millions before vanishing into thin air. People still fall for this. (But hurry up, in year or so people will finally see this as what it really is.)

spam pinging @JonSkeet @JonSkeet @JonSkeet @JonSkeet @JonSkeet @JonSkeet @JonSkeet @JonSkeet @JonSkeet @JonSkeet @JonSkeet @JonSkeet

hehe if only he was here....

Let's see if you're brave enough to ping the other Jon.... ;)

@SonyEricson

lol

hey my sock is still pingable

Though @Sha shouldn't ping it by now

Should I refer to my sock as "he", or "it"?

@ShadowoftheShadow what you think?

Q: Using "who" for not living characters

Just for a general reference

7

Although it has been already discussed: The word “who” only refers to living beings. For non-living beings, “which” is used instead. I just wonder if "who" could be used for not living characters in a story, to put emphasis on their role: This is the story of a wooden puppet who had a f...

7:38 AM

@SensibleAlexander thing is, the sock lives.... :D

The sock smells, that is all I know ...

@ShadowWizard mods get a unicorn?

u hav 2 (uni)c0rnify

unicornify.pictures

Who's is that? ^

ah alas

I've neither a million dollars or a unicorn

All I have... is a hat

7:53 AM

Better than my shirt... more useful at least. ;)

what did you get in the moose swag? @Journeyman

You have to ask for it ...

@rene like a Wish?

@ShadowWizard not shipped yet AFAIK

I'm listening to a thunderstorm soundscape and it shocked me...

@JourneymanGeek but you posted that document... wasn't it some kind of "proof of delivery"?

7:58 AM

oh

that was from ages back

ohhhh thought it's for the latest event

I end up getting some kinda swag every few years ;p

that's the only one with my handle tho. SE switched to real names for shipping cause yanno...

@ShadowWizard you wish ...

8:50 AM

@SensibleAlexander one of the reason you should use u-matrix too.

"funny" trivia. Some time ago I actually had the idea to post a question on meta asking if the process that automatically chooses questions to use as audit tests could end up causing something similar to this.

I dismissed my question, thinking that the system would automatically discard anything that got at least one offensive flag as a precautionary measure. I was also believing that anything that probably got the staff involved was marked as "do not ever use again"... Seems I was wrong.

@rene so you figured what Fabian asked? Any chance for TL;DR from you? :)

I mean.. what alignment? How is it related to scroll bar and footer?

9:17 AM

@ShadowWizard yeah, you can observe if you zoom a normal page and the ask question page to 75% or so, leading to the situation that the ask question page no longer shows a vertical scrollbar. Now switch in your browser to a tab where the vertical scrollbar is still visible (same zoom level). Observe how the Question / tags /users / badges button shift their position between the 2 tabs. What they ask is to compensate that shift. I doubt it is even fixable with CSS, worst case it needs javascript.

Oh, can't be more minor than that.

SmokeDetector

9:33 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How do I install ffmpeg on Debian Jessie? by Anna Mai on superuser.com

@TimPost Maybe I've been too jaded by playing modded all day but you can predict & reliably circumvent being hit by the potions, and the heal isn't enough to outheal your damage if you go in with a wood/stone sword in between tosses. There's a telegraph on the animation and the throw position locks on when it starts, so you can see it

Wait, everyone here play Minecraft except me? o_O

I think SE could benefit from a subscription btw

not sure what it'd give but I know a lot of people would buy one

@Magisch subscription?? What you mean?

You mean users will be able to pay for extra features?

9:48 AM

this was in reply/continuation of the revenue model discussion yesterday

yeah something like that

@Magisch that would be horrible. I'll leave SE the day it happens.

"Buy close vote privilege for $100"

beats having to have very intrusive ads and/or being acquired by one of the big tech giants

"Remove all downvotes for only $5!"

@Magisch no, it's not. It's like selling your soul to the devil.

If that's what needed to keep SE alive, better let it die.

@ShadowWizard not like that

something like reddit gold ... mainly to show your support

@Magisch oh yes it is. Once you open the gate, that's the things that will happen. Trust me.

9:50 AM

without any meaningful features

Dollars are very shiny, if they'll start selling things, it won't stop with unmeaningful features.

do you have the same slippery slope opinion about ads?

Because the line between affliate ads and native ads isn't that thick

SE just need ads on marquee...

@Magisch no. I don't mind ads. Almost all sites I use have ads, most have animated ads, and totally native, focusing on things I bought or searched before.

@ShadowWizard see I find charging a subscription less offensive then being full of ads, most of the time

9:55 AM

Heh, YouTube...

If anything, SE can think of creative ways to make money, e.g. one crazy idea is arranging IRL fun events and let people buy a ticket.

Make SE con. I'd buy a ticket even if it was like 300 bucks :D

@Magisch yup exactly.

Maybe it comes with a free tshirt and the not a robot badge

And surely they can think of other ways, without falling to the "Buy premium membership" evil.

@Magisch so we're different. :)

9:57 AM

for instance I hate hulu now because even the base sub comes with ads

ads in movies is indeed nasty, agree on that.

Yay! I chose you! Eviltraffic!

ads, in TV movies, specially placed on the most intense scene. Yeah...

With the current mindset humanity pursues, online ads are to be considered works of Yog-Sothoth.

@SensibleAlexander well, in commercial TV channels they stop the show/movie for "ads break" that last 5-15 minutes... but as least the ads are not intrusive, when the show/movie is shown, it's clean. And in the VOD there are no ads at all, since you pay monthly to have that service, and most contents also cost money.

10:03 AM

@ShadowWizard completly ruined TV and kino movies for me

@Magisch one exception in my objection to paying money can be "Pay to get rid of the ads".

TV is like 20 minutes content with popunder ads interspersed + 15 minutes full on ads

That's what we do already with TV channels.

cinemas here have like 40+ minutes of solid ads + ads in between these days

its like BUY STUFF BUY STUFF BUY STUFF normal content BUY STUFF BUY NOW BUY STUFF

@Magisch ouch

@Magisch oucher

10:05 AM

I'm paying 8 eur for an overlenght film that's 2h30m long but at least 50 min of that is pure ads

Yeah this kind of forcing one to download illegal copy.

(/cc @OptimusPrime ^ :))

my time is valuable and I don't like being advertised to in an obnoxious way. I don't have anything against unintrusive ads with no bullshit, but sadly if you go on the 'web without an adblocker these days you'll be drowning

again, we reached a point where the intrusive ads aren't even the real problem - the free stuff that comes with them is.

@Derpy free stuff?

@ShadowWizard malware, miners, etc...

10:09 AM

@ShadowWizard I guess it depends on the country? AFAIK, Japan has exclusive ad break that will stop and resume (but not cut) the movie. In Indonesia? They still "continue" the movie while playing ads, but you only see the ads. When the ads done, you will miss the scene (aka "err, wot? wth happened?")

@Derpy I don't have adblock, anti virus, or anything like that for... 5 years or so by now, I visit many sites, and I didn't get any malware or nasty stuff. So this problem isn't as big as people might think.

@SensibleAlexander that's horrible.... here they pause the movie, show the ads (this can be 15 minutes though), and resume the movie.

Certain providers offer option to record content, so if you record the movie you can watch it later and manually skip the ads.

@ShadowWizard seems you didn't visit any of the 4k+ sites - including multiple .edu and .gov ones - that were recently hacked to include ethereum / bitcoin mining scripts.

4k is the new hd

@Derpy oh... that's right.

@SensibleAlexander lame joke is lame. Please, report to Pinkie Pie for your Laughter 101 quickstart tutorial.

10:23 AM

;p

10:54 AM

@ShadowWizard depends

I've seen a lot of downloads of anything pushing "free browser services" programs that will inject ads into everything you watch

On prebuilt pcs often times the adware comes pre-installed, too and needs to be removed in a very tedious process

@Magisch Microsoft Signature

@Ano small side rant, windows 10 PROFESSIONAL comes with pre-built ads to candy crush & minecraft & soda saga and 100 other paid programs in the *** startmenu & taskbar