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@b_jonas I thought it was a flower, wouldn't have guessed it is a domino tower. That's a reasonably good result. I don't have the benefit of a computer and have to do them on my phone.

b_jonas

2:23 AM

@Rob I just realized how to create them without them looking fake. There's an "upload" link in the knitting UI that does all the work for you.

Oh, and meta.stackexchange.com/a/319970/222298 is the answer

@b_jonas I thought you had read the thread, your result is that good. This is the current state of the art - a clip from Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer.

b_jonas

3:01 AM

It seems strange that nobody has knitted a Rainbow Dash yet. The canvas has the shape of a cloud, and the color palette is suitable to represent all her colors.

I hope someone will fix that soon.

7:21 AM

Awesome! Glad to see this finally going in! — Jeff Atwood yesterday

7:34 AM

Smokey just close your mouth if you're gonna redact it

@ArtOfCode (2/2) Likewise, if someone wants to ask for hardware recommendations, it shouldn't matter that hardware recommendations doesn't want bad questions coming from SO... because it won't be a Q from SO, it will just be a Q asked on Hardware Recs. If it's low quality, then that's Hardware Recs' problem now. The whole argument of "we don't want crap migrated" becomes moot because it won't be migrated anymore, it will originate on the site it was meant to belong on all along. — TylerH 2 days ago

Has a point. No free shit shoveling.

Now if that means a couple of extra mod elections so be it

I thought we'd decided to stop singling out homework questions, because quality matters regardless of cause — Lightness Races in Orbit 2 days ago

That is normally true but if a sizable proportion of your problem cases have a certain thing in common, you can't help but notice it

Sometimes it's either being efficient or being overly politically correct so someone in some corner doesn't get offended

meta.stackoverflow.com/a/378066/5210517 -- Oh no CW! So much meta rep gone

Maybe something like "I need help using software such as MS Word or Chrome" could help to overcome ambiguity. — MonkeyZeus Dec 19 at 18:25

MS Word, oh no, why would anyone ask about MS Word?

8:06 AM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ because it is a tool often used by programmers ...

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delv-pls 20K mysql meta.stackexchange.com/questions/320805/… (needs 1 more) /cc @ShadowWizard @Bart @Glorfindel

del-pls 20k+ discussion off-topic / recycle If I rinse the recyclable packaging (cans, yogurt pots,..), do we lose the benefit of recycling? [#LCA #water #waste #recycling]‭ - S Clermidy‭ 2018-12-23 06:08:02Z /cc @ShadowWizard @Bart @Glorfindel

del-pls 20k+ feature-request off-topic / PhpMailer Mail() to Phpmailer problem‭ - McScript‭ 2018-12-23 06:10:20Z /cc @ShadowWizard @Bart @Glorfindel

wheeeeee

(so many pings! ;))

del-pls 20k+ discussion off-topic / PCA - SVM What is the difference between PCA and SVM?‭ - Ironclad‭ 2018-12-23 06:07:17Z /cc @ShadowWizard @Bart @Glorfindel

@rene I see you started to use script?

heh and you add the pings manually lol

@rene kaboom

@ShadowWizard yes, the cv-pls script now also has a delv-pls option with nice warnings / safeguards. It is pretty awesome

ewww the feedback banner moved to the top, it's much worse than before now. :(

another cheese moved....

(need to look where it is, but I guess it's better for newbies)

8:23 AM

waffles

plz-delete NAA meta.stackexchange.com/a/320806/152859

Morning?

Morning!

9:31 AM

sd 3k

9:47 AM

@ShadowWizard what

Mithrandir

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@ShadowWizard do

@ShadowWizard you

@ShadowWizard mean

@ShadowWizard so many

@ShadowWizard pings?

@Sha is intoxicated now

enjoying lovely ping from @M.A.R.

enjoying another lovely ping from @M.A.R.

putting chocolate on the rest of pings from @M.A.R. so they taste better

10:22 AM

Hi, I have a question, when I see posts on MSE where a new status-tag needs to be applied, shall I flag them or ask here in chat?

@MEE quite honestly - we're not totally sure how that's handled.

flagging them is better but for most parts I think we're leaving it for a dev or CM, rather than a community mod, simply cause we don't have the visibility to know if something is status completed.

@JourneymanGeek well I once flagged a question about the image uploader (issue was that there was no link input) and I wasn't sure whether this is acceptable practice therefore I asked here.

that's fine

So I would only do it if I am absolutely sure it is intentionally resolved (like in this case)

Just expect to wait 6-8 weeks, rather than 6-8 hours XD

bringing it up on chat should/would have limited use though

10:27 AM

Ok, One other thing, this post has status-planned for the first point which has been resolved (larger search bar) but I can't edit it as the master post is locked. One needs full editing privs for this. I originally flagged but then I thought it might be non-obvious why I flagged it and retracted my flag and started this converation.

Oh that one is certainly one for the folks who work here

presumably a PM

@JourneymanGeek well, sometimes it's obvious, so "even" you or @Tink can add the tag. :)

@ShadowWizard oh, this is a ongoing conversation

we're still figuring out a lot of the mechanics

So no point to flag until this is resolved? @Journeyman

(in 6-8 months)

Well I think (theoretically) this could be changed by anyone with full editing privs but @JourneymanGeek is probably right and this should be left to some staff...

and flagged... (again, this time with better explanation why mod intervention is neccessary)

10:42 AM

@ShadowWizard eh. Staff monitor flags and they handle them too

They're just not something us mods can always handle

@MEE no, only mods can add/remove mod-only tags.

@JourneymanGeek umm.... no? I told this before many times... my flags sat for months without anything happening. Might be just me, but it doesn't really matter for me.

I just stopped flagging. :)

@ShadowWizard normally yes, but my link is to an answer where the status-tag is added by the [meta-tag:status-planned] notation. Theoretically anyone could (suggest a/make a) change to it but the question is locked and therefore only users with full editing privs can do so.

And now that I understand the new mods were elected only to remove off topic questions and occasional spammers, well... guess no point to start flagging again. (Except maybe to purge comments when needed sometimes.)

@MEE what question? Why is it locked?

@ShadowWizard Nah, that's kinda wrong. Do flag. We need to know the kinds of stuff we can run into and figure things out ;) Having no flags doesn't help that.

@ShadowWizard [this one](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/310908/live-left-nav-new-theming-and-responsiveness/310911#310911)

> This post is now locked due to a lot of off-topic or very tangentially related issues being posted here. It's so large that it is pretty hard to find/triage issues listed. If you have a concern related to left nav, theming and/or responsiveness, then I'd encourage you to post them as a question on MSE or on the meta of the specific site you're concerned with.

And this is why I can't edit it: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/302550/…

11:05 AM

@MEE I was personally waiting if there would be an answer here before retagging that... :P

11:35 AM

@ShadowWizard more that there's a learning curve and we are still working on how to handle the more unique aspects of meta

^ Which is about everything except deleting comments for me :P

@JourneymanGeek but learning from whom? Based on what? It's unique position, and I doubt the CM team got much time on their plate for such things. (i.e. that's why I'm not very optimistic about it.)

@ShadowWizard well a lot of moderation is the soft skills

Just screw up 6 to 8 flags and you'll get the hang of it ...

So literally working out the best way to handle things

@rene that's part of it. Flag handling is the easiest part of moderation.

11:49 AM

I'll do a mod-abuse post on MSE soon-ish, just for practice

Maybe it is a bit weird that I'm going to complain about marked helpful flags... They considered this a good flag! Horror ...

Working out when not to handle flags is harder, as is, well the soft skills of moderation :p

Well getting a mod abuse post on MSE is a sign you are a real mod

yep

status-now-eating-מעמול

(getting a reversal on that.....)

12:33 PM

meta.stackexchange.com/posts/13193/revisions

I am unsure if random's edit reasons are a thing of beauty or horror

12:53 PM

beauty

1:03 PM

beauty+2

John Dvorak

I like them

I like them x2

1:44 PM

@JourneymanGeek Horror

Runs away

come on... that's just sheer beauty...

1:58 PM

Heh. @Jeremy is back.

Hopefully that's a good sign.

(the name change.)

lol

> I work, um, here! It takes a lot of self-restraint for me not to abuse my live-database privileges and artificially inflate my score.

Since Jan 2016.... not bad. :)

2:29 PM

@ShadowWizard hm, where ?

@JourneymanGeek behind you! Look!

Jeremy

11.9k 5 92 185

:P

Think it's like a year since he had his actual name...

looked behind, see Shadow Wizard

uh oh

improving Invisible spell

Ah ya. Looked it up lol

Yeah.

Feels like he took the restructuring hard :/

I don't think anyone was particularly happy with... Well most of it

@JourneymanGeek well luckily not many do bad things as result. Let's hope he'll get back to how he used to be before. :)

2:42 PM

Well, he helped discovered security holes on SO Teams...

@andmyself oh, that's good.

and also that image thingy on the profile that made questions list only showing 1 question per page...

@andmyself oh that was super annoying

@andmyself huh? What about it?

oh, the exploit?

Didn't know that was his doing, lol

I remember his profile just crashed my browser at some point.

okay, apparently that one is not on profile page, but on the post

2:54 PM

heh

3:15 PM

Ya

I mean some stuff takes a long while to fix but eh, breaking the site for people for a POC was.. a bit..

I mean, we all whine about the slowness of change lol

@JourneymanGeek could you (or another moderator) help me with testing something?

(doesn't need to be a Meta mod; in fact, it wouldn't work on Meta)

@Glorfindel Still need one?

@Tinkeringbell yep, let's do it on IPS then. I'm going to flag a post of yours for moderator attention, and then delete the account. I want to know if the flag still remains.

OK with you?

Sure :)

@Glorfindel why not? It's not a vote.

I think.

3:28 PM

flags accounts for hacking

@Tinkeringbell thx. I flagged this post: interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/3100/23251 and have already deleted the account.

@Glorfindel Got assigned to community:

great, thx

heh, nice. As expected though.

wait, shouldn't it be assigned to user-----?

3:29 PM

@EKons no, the flag is actually being "assigned" to community user in the db

@EKons Nope. Only posts get that.

but... I feel like it would be nicer to have it be like that

It's just matter of display anyway

I don't mind having stuff on Community user.

There's not much difference between a 'user....' and Community, so for me it doesn't matter.

woke up from a dream where I upvoted... something...

3:43 PM

lol

heh... weird... I also saw you upvoting something in that dream

If people really want to upvote stuff that much, I have a knitting post somewhere that can always use more upvotes :D

4:14 PM

@Tinkeringbell - I don't know if that's a coincidence or not, I'm not opposed to more votes for my knitting but I've scored almost a thousand Rep this Bash and I can't even knit (IRL).

Ehh.. I added all the knitting to one answer. So it's about 5-600 rep there.

._.

got unspecifiable stuff breaking at work lol

@JourneymanGeek um... your puppy started talking...

@EKons its so busy I'm on my work PC lol

lol

4:25 PM

@Aibobot did you try rebooting?

4:43 PM

@rene lol. I mean I don't have time to turn on my personal laptop ._.

I literally have been running around since 11pm, and stuff has been breaking since I came in at 8pm

looks like you're still running around while chatting on the Tavern at the same time...

just got back lol

5:22 PM

what broke down? Systems? A network? Software? A coffee-machine? Co-worker?

@rene ... yes...

lol

Ok, priorities first: fix the coffee-machine

there is none ._.

I would panic ...

5:37 PM

also since its a government installation, nothing unhealthy in the vending machine

A: Where can I ask how Google Weather works?

6:16 PM

Can somebody tell me why was my answer downvoted?

-2

The best solution would be Earth Science, because it seems your question is about meteorology, what is included in there. If you want to know how do they program this, then just go to Stack Overflow.

A: Should 'drive by' downvoting be more effectively caught?

Tim Post lost his keys

that's why

416

The answer was down voted because I lost my keys. Please, stay with me, let me explain this odd chain of events. Earlier today I couldn't get to the store on time because I could not find my keys. That caused me to miss the opportunity to run over a golf ball, which would have bounced between a...

He lost his keys twice?

yup

always losing his keys, that Tim

you'd think he'd have learned by now

But really, why was it downvoted?

re-read that answer I linked and you will have an explanation :)

6:22 PM

Earning a looot of reputation on such a stupid answer is unfair :)

you say stupid, I say accurate :P

@VerNick Welcome to Meta.

Heh, reputation is nothing for SE staff :)

@Alex I've been here long enough not to be welcomed to Meta :)

but at least, I'm not even sure the suggestion about SO is even close (what do you mean by "how do they program this"? the layout? using the API? collecting data and doing weather forecast?)

6:26 PM

@VerNick I didn't mean to actually welcome you; I meant welcome to the fact that on Meta votes do not necessarily correlate with content in the way that they do (or should) on regular sites.

@VerNick WELCOME TO METAAAA!

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ THANK YOUUUUU!

user380893

6:43 PM

why do my answers get downvoted

@Asadefa see above

More seriously though, meta is tricky

@VerNick I actually think that in your case - Ruben's comments kinda cover it pretty well

@Tink oh hey you managed it! you answered a question!

Yay! :D I did it :P

Aren't you going to tell me this one is wrong too? :P

@JourneymanGeek Why? Because he has more reputation?

@VerNick no, cause its correct

6:49 PM

@Tinkeringbell I was going to post that too... ;)

@JourneymanGeek Mine correct too! He just stole information from my answer!

because it really is a question for webapps

Why?

see RFHC

cause the answer is in said webapp itself

The question author was going to ask was "Do they collect data from satellites ?"

What is a reference to ES.

Isn't it?

6:52 PM

eh, I think the focus is more on google weather

Your SE sites are really strange.

Meta is... unusual in most respects

@VerNick chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/89?m=7059482#7059482 The posts linked after that question may help out with slightly better understanding the whole thing.

user437611

7:10 PM

Hi! I'm a bit confused about the auto-awarding of the bounty here. Shouldn't it have ideally gone the answer with having the highest number of upvotes? Or does it go to the answer with the least number of downvotes? (I don't have sufficient rep to see vote breakdowns) I'm not sure how the auto-awarding algorithm works and couldn't find any meta post which clearly explains it.

waffle

As far as I recall, bounties go to an answer posted after the bounty was put up?

that ^ timeline: meta.stackexchange.com/posts/320052/timeline

That would only apply to automatic awarding though

it does

although there are some restrictions

7:12 PM

Manual awarding still allows awarding it to older questions

@VerNick wrong

@PrincessLuna Why?

> Otherwise, all or half of the bounty is awarded to the highest-scored answer out of those which...

...were posted after the bounty was started, and
...have a score of at least 2 (at the time the automatic awarding takes place), and
...were not written by the bounty starter.

The system awards bounties if there's one or more posts with 2 or more votes, or it's accepted

Sniped

That ^^^

user437611

@rene Aha, that clarifies it! :)

In the category of interesting reads: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/16065/…

user437611

7:14 PM

@Tinkeringbell Eeeh, I hadn't read the first point carefully. Thanks. :P

@Blue You're welcome :D We're always glad to rub it in when people don't read carefully! :D

Well, there was a time that I didn't read something carefully...

user437611

It does seem logical. The usual assumption would be that the person who started the bounty, started it because the question didn't already have a satisfactory answer. But then there are exceptions to that --- like I know some people use bounties to reward existing answers (in that case they shouldn't forget to manually award it).

the "Reward existing answer" reason, namely

yeah, so if someone put a bounty for existing answer then forgot to award it manually...

7:18 PM

@andmyself I think there's a feature request about that somewhere.

well... you do get notifications

Q: Existing answers should be eligible for bounty auto-award when the reason for bounty is to reward an existing answer

16

Let it be stated upfront that I am not asking to remove the 24-hour waiting period for reward-type bounties. I am not asking for the ability to pre-select the winning answer, either. My request is this: When a user sets a bounty to reward an existing answer, existing answers should be eligib...

feature-request bounty expired-bounty

user437611

7:35 PM

By the way, how do you add the xkcd RSS feed, as in the Tavern? Does simply setting https://xkcd.com/rss.xml as the URL in the URL for this feed: section work? I tried it in a different chat room, and it appears like this:

user437611

rather than:

user437611

I'm probably doing something wrong.

user437611

Oh no, it worked. Lol, the room just received 4 updates from xkcd at once. Not sure why it appears differently though, in the Feeds tab.

7:39 PM

I assume you can add name to the feed?

@Blue it is the same in my testing chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/info/68414/…

@andmyself no, I expect it should take the title from the rss feed.

user437611

@andmyself I can add a name to the bot which posts the feed. Not sure if I can change the name of the feed source.

@rene yeah, that makes more sense

user437611

@rene Exactly. I don't know what that isn't automatically happening in this case.

yelled "BUG!" softly...

7:42 PM

it says "xkcd.com" now...

user437611

@EKons Yeeesh! So it takes some time to update.

it probably waits for its first update

8:07 PM

Random guess: targeted blame? :p

@PrincessLuna who does that? ...

/shrug

there's a userscript for it though

@PrincessLuna at least from a simple check, doesn't seem so...

also, wtf = why. good(?) to know...

Still hidden xd

Huh, guess it's real

9:11 PM

@PrincessLuna a userscript?! take this abomination away! :P

Nah

@PrincessLuna - There was a spam that you may or may not want to know about targeting a user (or other person elsewhere) named Princess Luna. Since you are 10K you could view it. OTOH it may have nothing to do with you at all, and you don't want to read the content.

yeah, saw it

K

There was some either yesterday or two days ago too

9:17 PM

Just thought I'd let you know.

thanks