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1:00 PM
But I also see it as a start to rebuild things
 
And in the meantime, while HNQ still alive, got another one in there.... this time question about android(s). ;)
hehe, best answer ever. Short, simple, and to the point.
Wonder how it would onebox without the "No." lol
 
@JourneymanGeek I never said it's the same thing. Just a bit in the similar vein. But Tim doesn't deserve to be treated like this. My point is that nobody deserves to be treated like this.
 
Think it was something John said that triggered one of @Journeyman's buttons. :/
looking around in fear of more buttons being pressed
!!/tea g3r
 
@ShadowWizard brews a cup of mint tea for @g3r
 
1:19 PM
@AndrasDeak no one does. We're not equating this to anything SE has done right?
 
Of course not. What happened now is that someone with a personal vendetta against Tim made attacks on his person on amazon, and they acted on the report without doing proper investigation. What happened back then was someone with a personal vendetta against SO made attacks on members of the community on SO, and they acted on the report without doing proper investigation.
very different
 
Errrrrr doesn't sound like you think it is
 
Nah, I do. Just don't think it's entirely without irony. Even if it's a cruel kind of irony that I wouldn't even wish for my enemies
 
And I don't think it's personal as far as those tweets went
 
@Tinkeringbell rant about Bart not coming to this room
 
1:22 PM
@SmokeDetector 🍵
 
"Teacup without handle". Doesn't sound very practical...
 
it's mint tea... it doesn't sound practical
 
Peppermint tea is very practical
it tastes and smells amazing
the nectar of the gods
 
@AndrasDeak Chinese and Japanese teacups don't have em
 
do they have hands covered in asbestos?
or are they just familiar with the proper way of creating heatproof cups...
 
1:27 PM
@g3rv4 sure it is! It cured my flu this week. ;)
I had a flu with high fever. Drank mint tea. No more fever, no more flu. :P
 
@ShadowWizard maybe I have buttons. Or I am always angry :p
 
(or maybe it was the double painkiller dosage ;))
 
@ShadowWizard hmm, interesting. I'll report back after my next flu
 
!!/flu @g3rv4
buh
!!/infect
 
@ShadowWizard No such command 'infect'.
 
1:29 PM
Useless bot.
:D
 
⚠ Beware of parrot flu ⚠
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@JourneymanGeek oh you have... we saw what happens when they're pressed.... ;)
@AndrasDeak probably thick glass, I have few of those.
There's also the Hug Mug.
 
yeah, I'm aware of the hug mug
 
This is real. :D
oh lol
 
Max Brenner
 
1:32 PM
@AndrasDeak you know his story? (sad)
 
I... don't think I want to hug a mug...
 
@ShadowWizard he lost his hair...? No
 
@AndrasDeak hahaha.... no... lol
Well, yes.... that's not the sad part.
So I take it that you do if you try trolling me again.
:D
 
No, I only know that he's a bald man with the Israeli chocolate :)
 
Well, TL;DR is that he lost the company he created in Israel and was left with no money whatsoever and with warrants forbidding him from ever trying again anything related to chocolate in Israel.
That's why he was forced to move to different countries.
All result of business partnership going bad. :(
 
1:36 PM
Whoooah, I had no idea
 
Now you have. :)
 
what crime do you have to commit to be chocolate banned?!
 
Dunno about details, they're probably not public too, but I guess each of the partners thought the other stole their ideas, and the other one won in court.
 
:(
that sucks
 
anyway, curious if there's a voting initiative on TL or not, because Italian.SE and Expatriates.SE recently posted a meta discussion about that :S
(oops, gerrit is not a mod, so forget about TL...)
 
1:42 PM
Turns out "only" 5 years, and not only Israel.
But it's over by now.
 
that makes more sense
 
Yep
> Eleven years later, after a long court battle, Brenner signed a non-compete agreement with the company, which precluded him from working on any chocolate-related endeavors. According to the legal agreement, he couldn’t even use the word “chocolate” in any of his professional pursuits.
 
oh, I thought Max was his first name. TIL
 
lol all do
Brenner is the bald guy. Max is the other. :D
 
next you'll tell me that Stack Atwood and Joel Overflow founded SO
 
1:44 PM
rofl
 
'X' unit??
As in "xxx" stuff? :/
 
In his case "X" stands for "making seXual advances on candidates during job interviews".
He was an eXpert.
 
heh
These days men must be either REALLY brave or REALLY stupid to do those things.
I mean... they know it will blow in their face. So I'll say they're just stupid.
Though I assume most #MeToo cases are meant for old cases that are buried and to bring late justice. Which is also good.
 
2:04 PM
This is a random question. I remember seeing a post on one of the metas about not calling "frame challenge" answers as such since many people don't know what that means. Does anyone know where that was? I can't remember if it was on SE Meta or one of the specific ones.
 
I don't recall I ever saw the term on MSE
 
@CaptainMan When an answer challenges the framing of a question
e.g "What stance should I use when torching my house with a flamethrower to exterminate spiders" being answered with "You should probably use some pesticide instead of torching your house"
 
@CaptainMan It's on RPG.SE meta :)
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Q: Is there an expression (or some expressions) we can use instead of "frame challenge"?

doppelgreenerThe concept of a frame challenge is fairly ubiquitous in our community, at least for meta users or those who've been around long enough to have seen it a few times. There's an issue here though: I'm pretty sure nobody else uses that terminology but us. All the results on Google or DuckDuckGo for...

There you go :)
@Somewhat I don't like Bart, he's staying away too long ;)
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3:06 PM
@Tinkeringbell Awesome! Thanks!
 
You're welcome :)
 
huh, it's 🌧🌧🌧
 
@Somewhat It's raining?
Or cloudy?
 
raining :S
 
and rain will make the flowers grow? :P
 
3:11 PM
@Tinkeringbell heh. "frame challenge" is a particularly terrible bit of jargon. I suppose it makes some amount of sense in the context of an RPG discussion, but seeing it applied elsewhere makes me sad.
 
@Shog9 It's causing a lot of confusion on IPS, that's for sure...
 
talking about the "premise" of a question is only slightly better, but seems to be considerably more common when discussing normal questions (that is... questions that don't inherently relate to storytelling)
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Q: How do you get people to answer the question, rather than argue the premise?

Chris B.I've noticed a sizable number of questions here where the petitioner asks something like "I'm trying to flange my dichromatic howitzer, but I can't defibrillate the metacarpus. Any suggestions?" ... and the first answer (and the one that attracts a lot of upvotes) is one that says "That's...

 
True. On IPS both are used, which makes for a lot of fun and really long meta posts.
And a lot of confused users. I hope we can get rid of the frame challenge there and just 'stick to premises'
 
I'm a bit partial to "answer the question as it was asked"
 
You're preaching to the choir then
 
( I don't do simple language. I know that's not good. But I like to show off the words I learned!)
 
I think on some sites, when the premise is wrong, the question is closed as unclear instead...?
 
difference between "I disagree with the premise" and "I'm not sure you have a premise"
 
@Somewhat If it's facts, an edit or comment can correct. If it's 'I disagree', you leave it alone. And if it's not there, comment ask for it and close...
 
a core bit of guidance for many years has been that questions should be based on a real problem. If you're asking how to hammer in a nail with an old shoe, there better be a story behind that...
 
3:20 PM
Dog ate my hammer?
I think IPS does 'hypotheticals' as long as they have that bit of story behind it (enough details to answer)... Last meta consensus was that we can't figure out what's real or not anyways.
 
when I was about 8 years old, I was playing with some friends, exploring a forested hillside and chasing each other around with cap guns (of the sort that used a role of paper tape with dots of charge that went "bang!" when struck sharply).
Tiring of the tedium of torn paper rolls, I took a strip of tape, placed it on a rock, and found a discarded beer bottle nearby with which I was able to quickly trigger the charges by fast and accurate taps on the tape.
...until the bottle broke in my hand
Sometimes, what seems clever isn't such a good idea anyway
@Tinkeringbell funny enough, what tends to matter more than enforcing the "real problem" aspect against presumably hostile askers... Is simply expecting folks to explain their problem in context.
You see this all the time on SO: folks ask for something weird, so folks just stand & scratch their heads in amazement. Answers, if any emerge, tend to be... not helpful.
Then they add some bit of explanation, and folks are able to get past the confusion over the weird thing they're asking for.
 
@Shog9 We did that too, with bricks. We weren't allowed guns ;)
Yeah, asking for details works quite well. We've put two questions on hold recently that seem so weird that they really need the details to work (and the right details)
 
4:05 PM
Tim Post on a rampage!
 
user194636
4:30 PM
Fixing all the things.
 
4:44 PM
there's one by balpha...
 
5:22 PM
@Shog9 that reminded me of i.imgur.com/r2fW2o7.jpg
 
I credit making it to this age with all of my fingers to nearly removing several of them as a child
 
shog's storytime is easily one of the best things in the tavern :D
 
5:43 PM
Where do I rank?
 
parrot / 10
 
That scale makes no sense...
 
I'm joining the #googlewalkout, which feels slightly odd as I'm working from home today. Still, tools down for a while in remote solidarity.
 
@Tinkeringbell i.imgur.com/zktRC5t.gif <- Parrot doesn't need sense
 
Why do people always post green parrot things!
I'm not green, am I?
 
5:53 PM
cause the jamming green parrot is a meme :D
 
Then it's time for that to change :P
google.nl/… Feel free to pick your favorite ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell this one! ;-)
 
How about google.com/… ?
 
I don't like all of you.
 
6:00 PM
XD
 
Hey, I didn't pick one yet! How did I get involved in this?
 
@rene You're accusing IPS of deleting too many comments :P
 
I'm not accusing anyone, I try to keep MSE clear of IPS drama.
 
Just kidding ;)
Looks like a good guess, though I think this might be Workplace. We haven't moved that much to chat on IPS as far as I remember
 
@Tinkeringbell this one
 
6:04 PM
:D At least that one is red!
I guess you're the only one that's managed to pass kindergarten.
 
\o/
 
@rene wat. wut. wot?
 
6:16 PM
@Somewhat Colours have all sorts of nice names.
yarn colours are especially nice :P
I made a blanket using buttermilk, spice, fuchsia, fondant, duck egg, storm blue, pistachio, sage, mustard, tomato, violet and vintage peach
Sounds like a very, very bad cooking recipe, almost :P
 
... edible blanket 😵
 
I wouldn't try.
It's not even natural fibers.
 
user271002
Lisa: I'd like 25 copies on Goldenrod.
Clerk: Right.
Lisa: 25 on Canary.
Clerk: Mmhmm.
Lisa: 25 on Saffron.
Clerk: All right.
Lisa: And 25 on Paella.
Clerk: Ok, 100 yellow.
 
Sounds really familiar!
 
6:42 PM
Last time we painted our house, I wanted white... My wife wanted something darker, like brown.
So I got her to compromise on a color named "Eskimo Boot"
It's a wonderful shade of deep golden brown...
...five minutes before the sun sets completely.
The rest of the time, it's indistinguishable from white.
She was not amused
 
Hmm. I wouldn't be amused either, I guess.
Colors are a serious business!
 
Yes. And at 7K' reflecting the sun is a major duty of your color choice...
 
True.
 
7:02 PM
@Loong just use Pantone colors and call it done
 
user271002
@Mgetz I actually do that sometimes. Although in most cases RAL is enough.
 
@Loong most places I know prefer the numeric or pantone, they can directly enter it into their computers. Otherwise they want a swatch
 
 
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8:08 PM
@Shog9 just install giant mirrors around your house to reflect the sun
 
 
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10:56 PM
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@Tinkeringbell An IPS mod doesn't stay green for long.
 
11:51 PM
@Tinkeringbell did not
 
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