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12:17 AM

Wow, over here there’s not just (the empirically best) debate (camp), there’s also Johns Hopkins CTY. If somebody bombed the campus, society would collapse in a few decades.

Aaaaaand one has a fidget spinner.

user202362

12:59 AM

@YvetteColomb I have been trying for 2 years ... nothing happened ~_~

user315433

1:12 AM

fidget spinners > debates

user310756

4:19 AM

@Telkitty it's your name - who can be mad at a kitten?

user310756

JamesENL

@YvetteColomb a dog?

Inc.

Teldoggy?

Telpuppy?

angussidney

5:22 AM

del-pls gaming.stackexchange.com/a/313312/104515

Needs more flags

Feeds

6:31 AM

This place has so many demonyms. Northlanders. Fair Folk. Honey Barons. Lake Dwellers. Treasurers. Swamp Watchers. Dream Farmers. Wellfolk. Rockeaters. Forgotten Royals. Remote Clients. Barrow-Clerks. The People of Land and Sky.

rene

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Shadow Wizard

6:58 AM

OK. Who is suggesting those edits??? Why hiding??? Clearly it's very long time user who knows SE better than most of us here.

It driving me crazy! D:

@angussidney why?

Also, you won't find here many users with 20k rep on gaming...

Bhargav Rao

@ShadowWizard looks like he wanted spam flags. chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=313312&user=&room=

Shadow Wizard

@BhargavRao oh. Well, it's nuked now.

S S

Hello all!

Bhargav Rao

7:14 AM

@ShadowWizard yep

S S

What tags are considered subjective? What is a subjective tag?

angussidney

@ShadowWizard sorry, should have said spam flag.

user310756

@JamesENL lol yes true

Inc.

Umm, subjective tag?

S S

Yeah.

JamesENL

7:17 AM

Thinking outside the box

angussidney

@SS if you're talking about 'meta tags', you might want to read this: stackoverflow.blog/2010/08/07/the-death-of-meta-tags

JamesENL

sigh it's one of those 'I have nothing to do at work days'

Shadow Wizard

@SS where you saw that term being used? What context?

There isn't really such a thing "subjective tag".

S S

@ShadowWizard In the blog post above.

Shadow Wizard

@JamesENL you can always dance.... ;)

JamesENL

7:19 AM

@ShadowWizard That might raise a few eyebrows

Shadow Wizard

@SS it's about one single tag, which was burninated since then.

Inc.

@SS if it's about 'meta tag', then its tag wiki might give some insight

angussidney

@SS what Jeff was talking about in that post was not subjective tags in general, but rather a single tag called subjective

Inc.

oh.

Shadow Wizard

34

Q: Should we permanently remove the [subjective] tag?

I am not sure the subjective tag deserves to exist: unlike [java] or [c#] or [ruby] it is a bit of a meta-tag, describing the tone of the question rather than the question itself. it's possible to earn a gold or silver tag badge for [subjective] which feels entirely wrong it counts toward the g...

@SS ^

@JamesENL who knows, others might join..... ;)

JamesENL

7:22 AM

I doubt it

Shadow Wizard

Employee Wellness Workshop - Spontaneous Dance Activity inspired by MUVE Concepts

►

JamesENL

oh

S S

If a question is tagged based on answer of the question and not basing on question, then is it a meta tag? To filter the questions

JamesENL

I feel like there's an echo in here

:P

angussidney

@SS not necessarily a meta tag, but that would be an incorrect way to tag a question, yes

Inc.

7:32 AM

@JamesENL do the panic dance

S S

@angussidney So, it is wrong to tag questions based on answers and as a reason it shows up in search. Isn't it?

Inc.

@angussidney for additional context, it's something that's recently happened on Hinduism.SE

Jul 13 at 6:53, by S S

This one for example and related meta discussion.

S S

Oh! you remember it! Great

Shadow Wizard

@Inc. remembers everything

Inc.

Huh? Who are you? :p

rene

7:42 AM

!!/coffee for @Bart

SmokeDetector

@rene brews coffee for @rene

Bart

\o/

wait ...

that's no good

gimme my coffee

rene

Hands coffee to @Bart

S S

See the answer with 2 upvotes in the discussion and the points mentioned in the answer. I felt points 6,7,8 are not according to the guidelines of tagging. I think you guys can understand it even if you are not familiar with the site. @Inc. @angussidney

Bart

Woohoo

Shadow Wizard

7:43 AM

@Inc. your shadow

S S

I am always breaking up the chat.. :/

Shadow Wizard

brews coffee for @Inc.

@SS nah, nobody can break chat

Except maybe nicael

And fancy names like @πάνταῥεῖ or @ɥʇǝS which might ping everyone :D

rene

7:57 AM

assumes @ShadowWizard is chat banned now for an attempt at exploiting a known bug

Shadow Wizard

test 1 2 3

yay!

rene

Hmm, flags for mod attention ...

Sagar V

can I use NAA to flag a link only answer? VLQ is not available in flag menu

I mean it is a plugin recommendation

user202362

@YvetteColomb I love your kitty - always ready to pose for the camera :p

Shadow Wizard

8:22 AM

5

Q: How to flag link-only answers / what happened to the very low quality flag?

I ran across an answer on Stack Overflow that is a link only answer. The link in the answer is dead. Normally I would have flagged this as very low quality (VLQ), but the flag doesn't exist anymore. Note, I've looked at these, but didn't find what I was looking for: What happened to the "v...

support flags low-quality-posts not-an-answer

If the link is dead, it's also NAA. Otherwise, just downvote and comment if you want.

SmokeDetector

8:39 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, blacklisted user: Generalization of the two bucket puzzle by fb login on mathoverflow.net

user310756

@Telkitty we have 3 :)

SmokeDetector

9:11 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Seeking data for residential maps (buildings, roads, etc.)? by Varshini on gis.SE

Shadow Wizard

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/a/298498/152859

Shadow Wizard

9:33 AM

Why isn't the manually reported answer posted here in Tavern?

Bart

9:45 AM

I love the google image search suggestions for user avatars. For that spamming user it suggests "neck" :D

Shadow Wizard

@Bart lol.... and it even found his YT account... :D

Also it identify you as ray ban rx5228 black, @Bart

Hello Mr. ray ban rx5228 black!

Bart

Haha, those glasses are indeed model 5228

Shadow Wizard

wow

Google is too powerful

what am I? Let's see...

Bart

The other day I went to shop for some glasses, narrowed it down to several pairs. Looked at the details ... all of them Rayban, all variations of the 5228 model ... I'm so wild in my choices.

Shadow Wizard

whoa!

Bart

9:50 AM

:D

Mr. StackExchange

Shadow Wizard

I AM STACK EXCHANGE!!!

LOL

Sagar V

Anyone checked the link? Looks like he is the grandson of Bill Gates

Enginear lol

Shadow Wizard

@SagarV yeah, looks like an attempt at being funny. Fatal failure though.

Author will hopefully learn the lesson...

Sagar V

@ShadowWizard I don't understand what made him thought that SE n/w is a platform for self promotion

Shadow Wizard

@SagarV nah, appears to not be self promotion (might still be) just attempt at being funny by posting a dummy link.

Sagar V

9:53 AM

still it is there. Not yet deleted

Shadow Wizard

10:07 AM

still it is there. Not yet deleted

deleted!

user310756

11:43 AM

Spongebob - 2 Hours Later

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user310756

user202362

you have a dog as well?

user310756

yep a dog, 3 cats, 3 horses, 3 children (1.5 grown up)

user202362

good work!

user310756

ikr

user310756

11:58 AM

the horses are agisted locally

Mithrandir

2

@Yvette is Stack Overflow o_o

user310756

@Mithrandir lololol that's funny. Thank God I'm not

Shadow Wizard

oh wait, @Shog is also Stack Exchange...

not feeling special any more

rene

12:19 PM

@YvetteColomb wonders what happened to the other 1.5 ... assuming I find growing up only half of a child totally normal...

Shadow Wizard

hehe that's crazy:

Poor @sam...

user310756

@rene lol yeh, it's sounding awfully suspicious. I mean one son is 17.5 years old - so nearly an adult - he counts as the half grown up

rene

Ah, so you didn't only grew his left leg and right arm ... good ...

user310756

yus, he was grown wholistically :)

rene

Do you have DDG shares @Sha ?

Shadow Wizard

12:25 PM

@YvetteColomb he'll still be your kid even when he'll be 100 y/o though. ;)

@rene lol... of course!

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard ow

But eh, main meta votes are funny like.

Shadow Wizard

Most people don't find them funny... :(

Journeyman Geek

Well, they work entirely differently

Shadow Wizard

I see so many run away in terror just because they got few downvotes.

Journeyman Geek

and have even less meaning than the usual imaginary internet points

Shadow Wizard

12:31 PM

Luckily @sam works for SE so can't run away. ;)

user310756

@ShadowWizard oh don't say that. I can wait a long time for him to be 100 - I don't want things to change

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bart

@ShadowWizard good. Eliminate the weak.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard sure they can.

Shadow Wizard

@YvetteColomb if humans will survive that long, I'm sure things will be really different in 82.5 years...

Journeyman Geek

12:34 PM

(personally I count meta downvotes as a badge of honour ;p)

user310756

@ShadowWizard I'll be 130 something when he's 100

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek where to?

@YvetteColomb so? 130 will probably be considered young.... :D

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard Well, No One Knows

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek are they suffering?

Journeyman Geek

oh k...

I'm seeing a lot of errors off google 0_0

user310756

12:35 PM

I just got a notification that a comment was left 26 mins ago, it was left over a week ago

Shadow Wizard

@YvetteColomb where?

Probably a deleted comment?

user310756

I'll post it on meta..

rene

Groundhog week ...

user310756

no not deleted

user310756

yep

Shadow Wizard

12:36 PM

@YvetteColomb how can you tell?

@JourneymanGeek speech bubbles?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard youtube and g+ erroring. g+ had a 404... ;p

which had me wondering if they finally killed it off ;p

user310756

ah an answer was converted to a comment

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek nah, more likely Google is under attack.

They should hire Nick. :D

Journeyman Geek

lol

Well, SE did get Tom from google

Shadow Wizard

Maybe they are attacked by millions of wifi web cams...

Journeyman Geek

12:39 PM

@ShadowWizard ....

My workplace probably had a DVR that was involved. Or two ._.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek DVR?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard device that records video from said cams

We mainly use it for scaring our clients into behaving

(I work at a school)

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek oh lol, think you mentioned it in the past, yeah

I know the term VCR :D

Journeyman Geek

Digital Video Recorder

Shadow Wizard

(and DVD of course)

Check your DVR then, might be part of evil botnet...

Journeyman Geek

12:41 PM

problem is most of these are badly secured chinese made x86 pieces of garbage with irregularly updated and not really maintaned linux ports

Shadow Wizard

Jun 14 at 6:56, by Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard CCTV cameras

Those? @Journeyman ^

Journeyman Geek

yup

Shadow Wizard

:(

Journeyman Geek

Job before this had em too actually

(Worked in a casino)

Inc.

Strangely, 3 hours ago I got DNS not available for some CDN and Google services

I thought my ISP's doing something strange again

Shadow Wizard

12:47 PM

@Inc. probably Google's fault then...

or caching.

Actually.... yesterday internet connection here was funky all day long. World wide secret attack?

rene

@ShadowWizard yeah, the Russians updated all router firmware globally .. oh, this might be classified ....

Shadow Wizard

reporting @rene to the Russian authorities

I just read something in Skeptics about Kaspersky Labs working for the Russian army... lol

Inc.

They plugged the UPS to its own?

@ShadowWizard just read it too :)

Shadow Wizard

Well, it's HNQ

user310756

1:04 PM

@rene ask Trumps son to sort that out for you in an email ;)

rene

on it ... thanks ...

user310756

no worries ;)

Derpy

@ShadowWizard I think one of my co-workers was re-installing skyrim yesterday. And all the "basic" mods.

Which based on my memories would mean that we are speaking of about 40-50gb worth of mods.

user315433

Arduino is finally graduating

Shadow Wizard

1:32 PM

@Derpy well, didn't really install mods for Skyrim. Maybe one or two, but not more than that. :)

Made most of my arqade rep from that game though. :D

Derpy

@ShadowWizard Imho, none of the latest TES game is worth playing without heavy modding.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy dunno... really enjoyed the plain game. I don't look to improve something which is already good enough. :)

Same for "downloadable content".... never really got into it.

I play a game. Finish it. And that is it. :)

For some really odd reason this discussion makes me want to play FF8 again. Think I tried once, but it got too boring since I knew exactly what was coming... :(

Derpy

2:02 PM

@ShadowWizard it is good until you try some of the mod, and then all the limitations will never be invisible again.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy maybe... :)

Derpy

Bonus points if you used Vilja in oblivion and then you get the skyrim companions.... A conjured dremora is more talkative than most of them...

cazc_941

4:34 PM

Lauge & Baba Gnohm - Fields Of Light

►

Today's Listening

Bart

:D

user315433

5:09 PM

reopen-pls Why some flags are reviewed very fast?

user315433

gnat's duplicate suggestions on meta are idiosyncratic.

user315433

5:42 PM

Blame it on
☐ sunshine
☐ moonlight
☐ good times
☑ the boogie
☑ your lying, cheating, cold dead beating, two-timing and double dealing, mean mistreating, loving heart

user315433

Yeah, was a mixed genre playlist.

Feeds

6:02 PM

stackoverflow.blog/2017/07/17/…

M.A.R.

Why no one box, feeds?

user315433

ROs: we don't need "The Stack Overflow Podcast" feed anymore, podcasts are now included in blog feed. ^^ @hichris123

user315433

@M.A.R. Unicode, I guess.

user315433

Blame it on
☑ Unicode

Feeds

rene has stopped a feed from being posted into this room

M.A.R.

6:09 PM

@Feeds whoa

rene

→ 4 messages moved to Chimney

M.A.R.

The dark rene rises

user315433

Thanks. Also, it's nice to see something from outside SO getting into the podcast (the "Is it ethical to automate your job and not tell your company?" question).

M.A.R.

@Alex I'm not sure if that's a display of Unicode wrecking things, or you've just discovered the joy of making stuff unnecessarily multiline recently

Wow, my message sounded unnecessary. Sorry @Alex

rene

@Alex brad edited in better dupes, does it still need to be re-opened?

user315433

6:13 PM

No, not anymore. Feel free to dump the message (or ignore it).

rene

I'll ignore it, this is not SOCVR where we try to stay sterile ...

Bhargav Rao

It's TOTM

M.A.R.

Totem on the meta

user315433

> In markdown, when adding to the middle of a numbered list, do you fix the subsequent numbers?

user315433

No, because I mark all of the items 1.

Bhargav Rao

6:15 PM

@M.A.R. Yeah, we need to enter this room to check if we are still dreaming or not.

Also, howyadoin @M.A.R, haven't seen ya around lately.

M.A.R.

o/ @Bhargav

Bhargav Rao

\o

M.A.R.

My laptop broke and I can't bear using mobile to do SOBotics stuff

Sorry

Bhargav Rao

Btw, the election chat has opened chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/info/149409/…

@M.A.R. sad to hear that, hope you get a better one soon :(

user315433

6:40 PM

This election has not started yet.

user315433

Just 2 positions open.

user315433

The first SO election (on the current election platform) with <3 winners.

Inc.

When they start nominating themselves on SO, don't forget to vote on Anime.SE

Bhargav Rao

If someone's old account was still active, this'd have needed an update meta.stackoverflow.com/a/311059/4099593

M.A.R.

If

user315433

6:47 PM

Yes, but let's wait until after this election to update... Meanwhile, the current version is at normalhuman.github.io/moderator-chart.pdf

Bhargav Rao

Nice. Thanks

user315433

Is Michael Myers the longest serving mod network-wide? (he obviously is on SO)

M.A.R.

Hmm, have you checked SU mods?

Also SF, but less likely

user315433

Just recently passed 7 year mark, appointed 7/11/2010.

Bhargav Rao

Random is older, I guess

Not sure

user315433

6:51 PM

Ivo Flipse has it, 1/19/2010 superuser.com/users?tab=moderators

user315433

I tend to forget he's an SU mod, usually seen on Physical Fitness

Inc.

@Alex considering his last post was on Oct 31 '12, last comment on Feb 8 '16, and his last visible action was on Apr 7(?)

user315433

Yes, but many mod actions (deletion or declining a flag) are invisible.

Inc.

like a ninja

user315433

That said, his Fitness profile has "Last seen May 4".

Inc.

7:00 PM

Doesn't seem to be fit :)

user315433

The remark "(averaging nearly 2,000 flags per day!)" appears to stay the same on SO election pages from 2011 to 2017.

Shog9

user315433

So I guess it wasn't there in 2011. Propagated retroactively?

user315433

But yes, remarkably stable.

user315433

We'll never know what could be if in early 2014 Stack Overflow had... something that allowed it to scale up further.

Shog9

7:24 PM

@Alex yeah, there's only one "election post" - editing it alters all past and future elections.

user315433

There's a Worldbuilding question in there somewhere.

Shadow Wizard

7:41 PM

@M.A.R. how it broke?

Come on, tell the truth. :D

user315433

8:11 PM

Hm, it appears the NLN introduction broke someone's auto-reject-all-comment-flags script on Magento.

user315433

Andy and Travis J are the first nominees. Let's give them diamonds and call it an election; it's way too hot to bother with more.

user315433

8:35 PM

> One day I'll open Notepad++ and not have to do a package update. One day, I only hope... But - alas - today is not that day. -- David Haney at 1:18 PM - 17 Jul 2017

user315433

Same here, with a plot twist: I'm not an admin, so can't update those packages anyway.

M.A.R.

user315433

8:48 PM

Philosophy election is next, 1 mod being elected.

user315433

9:11 PM

Candidate #3: Alexander O'Mara, my former coworker and soon-to-be-former namesake.

user315433

10:20 PM

#4 and #5: NathanOliver and Floern, the pool is getting heavier toward SOCVR / mod-botting than in the past.

rene

10:41 PM

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@Alex relevant: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/38175069#38175069

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: How "pinless" moisture meters work? by user3734231 on electronics.SE

rene

@SmokeDetector has an so account, not a spammer

Shokhet

in V'dibarta Bam on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 hours ago, by msh210

"observations on Wikipedia behavior", many of them applicable (mutatis mutandis) here also.

...true for many established parts of the SE network that I've seen, and possibly worth a read.

Switch is flipped, y'all are full on graduated now. — Grace Note ♦ 2 hours ago

Journeyman Geek

11:00 PM

@Alex soon to be former namesake? 0_0

ɥʇǝS

@JourneymanGeek Alex is going to change their name again, I assume. They do it fairly often.

user315433

11:27 PM

Coincidentally, esSO election also began today

SmokeDetector

11:38 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Exposure for New Card Game: Nevera Wars by TigerCrabStudios on boardgames.SE

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