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I wonder why that "disingenuous upvote" post doesn't show in the active list any more; it hasn't been deleted. Some kind of weird caching thing maybe.

Journeyman Geek

ahh, caching. The lupus of webdevs....

some days I wonder if a minimal network wide rep for posting on MSE wouldn't be a bad idea

say... 2.

user315433

It got 8 false downvotes, at -8 meta posts are hidden.

user315433

But I think read-only users should be able to report bugs somewhere. They can't do it on per-site metas (5 rep), so MSE is the only way.

user315433

It's not like they do it often, though.

user315433

12:31 AM

The number of worthwhile Meta posts by 1 rep users is pretty low.

Journeyman Geek

I was thinking more all those people who post stuff that clearly does not belong

user315433

Yes. Remember the Time After The Notification?

Journeyman Geek

errrrrr

Not really

user315433

Well.... there was a notification, pushed into everyone's inbox and linking to a Meta post.

user315433

The number of off-topic Meta posts went through the roof.

Journeyman Geek

12:33 AM

ah

user315433

Meta had 2 rep requirement to post for several weeks after.

Journeyman Geek

erm. I didn't really pay that much attention to main meta until a few months back

amusingly, its cause I was at 9k here and 99k on SU.

user315433

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Q: Sudden increase in off-topic posts on MSE

It seems that the Updated Terms of Service message linking to the MSE post discussing it had a undesired side effect: there is a huge increase in off-topic (mostly programming) questions. (Not to speak about the hundreds of drive-by upvotes on that posts and its answers...) While I think the mes...

Journeyman Geek

ah

My current period of interest in MSE started... dec 2016. Explains why I missed it ;)

Jason C

1:03 AM

I don't remember; the read-only mode maintenance banner at the top of the page, did it have a link to the stackstatus blog or something in it?

I feel like it did

Jon Ericson

@JasonC It did and to the StackStatus twitter handle.

Jason C

1:40 AM

On MSE, is there a negative score threshold for questions that appear on the active tab?

SmokeDetector

2:07 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: How to detect and mitigate the Intel escalation of privilege vulnerability on a Linux system (CVE-2017-5689)? by CerberusSec on unix.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Is it correct to say "There are 5 hepatitis B viruses in his liver"? by Andre Marice Davis on ell.SE

Jason C

2:36 AM

Wait

What is happening why does the message look like that WHAT SORT OF SORCERY IS THIS?

TIL /message

Journeyman Geek

0_0

πάντα ῥεῖ

2:58 AM

Rooling eyes:

-1

Q: Requesting specific detailed answers?

Is it unreasonable to ask for very specific detailed answers? Many times when I post a question I'll get multiple answers that are close to but not exactly what I'm asking. Over time I started to state specifically that I have very specific requirements and that the answer I'm looking for has t...

discussion duplicate-suggestions similar-questions

Journeyman Geek

lol

user202362

it's like a vampire only wants blood type O

Journeyman Geek

@πάνταῥεῖ heh, I might have mildly trolled the guy

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek Well, my answer is more straight ;-)

Serious fox you are :-D

I knew about feline trolls, canine trolls are a new experience.

Journeyman Geek

lol

I need to be more mindful of my spelling ._.

πάντα ῥεῖ

3:11 AM

@JasonC C'mon provide that abc comment as another answer. It nails the problem pretty well.

@Jason THX for the edit.

Jason C

meh. it doesnt add much beyond you and journeymans answers.

Journeyman Geek

@πάνταῥεῖ trolling for good is fun.

I once used this in an answer...

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek Sure! You are loved!

Journeyman Geek

(and yes. Someone wanted to solder sticks of ram into a video card)

πάντα ῥεῖ

^LOL

That's probably the kind of people who are buying WLAN cable via EBay.

SmokeDetector

3:53 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Have Ant-Man's terrifying powers been explored by the authors before? by boog on scifi.SE

Journeyman Geek

I'm using my platform to espouse values I hold dear that I think benefit others. I take umbrage at your insinuation. https://twitter.com/yeddish/status/859945019934986240

Tweeted by donttrythis on May 4, 2017 at 1:42 AM

If I must be furious, I'd like to be furious like Adam Savage ;p

user315433

> Oh you like bad boys? take drag of cigarette Yeah I'm banned from the Physics AND Math Stackexchange communities. -- Yerb Fiend at 4:54 PM - 3 May 2017

user315433

"I have the death sentence on twelve Stack Exchange sites"

user315433

Actually, if I do have it on any of the SE sites, it's probably Magento. 48 declined flags there, out of 337 network-wide.

user315433

4:11 AM

> One reason why we spun-off Trello and Stack Overflow rather than become Acme Big Co: better investment terms bit.ly/2kVnhGs pic.twitter.com/iRNbnUgSnH -- Fog Creek Software at 6:05 PM - 3 May 2017

user315433

And then SO decided to become Everything Developers Ever Need.

Journeyman Geek

vaguely

user202362

4:27 AM

someone wants to feel needed

SmokeDetector

5:27 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: My facebook password by user46003 on stackapps.com

Shadow Wizard

7:21 AM

@Gerry and then what?

Shadow Wizard

7:34 AM

How's your new job going? @Journeyman

Journeyman Geek

7:49 AM

Starts Monday

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Who know the boston round glass bottle manufacturer in China? by user236434 on apple.SE

Shadow Wizard

8:07 AM

Many images on imgur for SE are dead, giving 503 errors. Is there anyone on imgur side looking into it? I bet there isn't. They just don't care, which is a pity.

@JourneymanGeek oh, will there be a cake? ;)

Shadow Wizard

8:25 AM

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard It's Shadow Wizard's fault.

Shadow Wizard

...

in Shadow's Den, 1 hour ago, by FOX 9000

@ShadowWizard this is @ShadowWizard's fault!

Why all bots blame me?!?! :(

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard prolly not. and prolly no grief counseling either

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek so you'll just walk into the office and.... start working?

Journeyman Geek

... apparently?

Shadow Wizard

8:37 AM

Oh well :D

Journeyman Geek

I sent in my application form... after I got the job. Not signed a contract yet

Shadow Wizard

That's weird... shouldn't you sign a contract before starting to work?

(e.g. how much you'll get etc.)

Otherwise they can simply not pay you, and claim it's not written anywhere they should pay you...

Journeyman Geek

er. Yeah It has been totally verbal so far

But I usually do that paperwork on the first day?

Shadow Wizard

Oh well, I don't have much experience in this myself, in the few times I switched jobs I signed the contract before, sometimes even weeks before starting to work.

Let's see what DDG says....

3

Q: Signing contract on the starting day? Not before?

I've been through a really long hiring process, almost 2 months. After 5 interviews with managers and directors, a psychotechnic evaluation and finally a health analysis, they called me, and told me that I got the job! I'm really happy, but nervous at the same time, because they wanted me to sta...

hiring-process new-job ethics international

Journeyman Geek

We'll see anyway

lol

Shadow Wizard

8:47 AM

Interesting, 7th result in DDG, 8th result in Google when searching for "new job when to sign contract"

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard yeah yeah, let's worship DDG and all that

Shadow Wizard

Actually that's not giving DDG any points...

But Google does also show irritating "People Also Ask" section in the middle of the results.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard heh. I actually suspect a meta post on the android app, and the lack of any maintainance on it lately would almost certainly be a upvote magnet. I still feel vaguely terrible about it though

Elephant

SE Android app's HNQ widget's dead. Seems due to HTTPS, oh well.

Journeyman Geek

eh, for some reason it won't open posts in the browser for me

and since I some of the stuff I need dosen't work on the app at all, its frustrating

Shadow Wizard

9:02 AM

@Elephant soon the whole app will be dead, yeah.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard at this point, the only thing I'll really miss is the notifications

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek you mean this?

31

Q: Why has Stack Exchange stopped working on the Android app?

Recently I started to post bug and feature-request for android-app, see: How do I make my post community-wiki using android app? and Trouble with advance searching using android app. After realizing that the iOS app has better features and fewer bugs than the Android app, I heard that Stack E...

discussion android-app

Journeyman Geek

That's over a year ago?

> So yeah. I hope I don't do another update on this post in 12 months explaining why we still haven't done anything on Android.

errr

Shadow Wizard

Yup. I think nothing was done with the app for two years now.

Not a single bug fixed, not a single feature added.

rene

@ShadowWizard but, on the positive side, stackapps.com/questions/7351/…

Journeyman Geek

9:10 AM

eh posted

rene

So it looks like there will also be a 2.3 version for the API

Elephant

Bring it on, I'm ready for another bug hunting!

But if I'm not mistaken, it focuses on SO's features, not general SE sites.

Hence the name, SO app

rene

@Elephant yeah, true

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek that's a dupe...

(status update can be given on the original question, better just bump it)

rene

But I expect that the 2.3 api will also have some fixes for the other endpoints, no?

Elephant

9:18 AM

On current condition, fixing the API won't probably fix some other bugs, since there's HTTP endpoint too (e.g. HNQ list)

Or... I dunno. The HNQ list is updated inside the app, but the HNQ widget borks.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard vaguely yeah

@Elephant this would make it mostly useless for a lot of us :p

Elephant

@JourneymanGeek at least I can bug the devs for new bugs

and like, oh, I can't wait how SO Docs will look like

Anyway, I'm now browsing my old emails.. since Gmail's inception (i.e. 2005), and I cringed a lot reading my replies to some of my friends back then..

And there are many dead forums since then, written in phpbb...

Journeyman Geek

9:40 AM

Quite

rene

@Elephant what did you reply then? Yo bro, whazzup, chill?

Elephant

@rene laughing like a retard, squealing like a little girl

... embarrassed

rene

So, nothing changed. That is good.

user202362

at least email is private, I cringe at my forum posts & they are public

user202362

10:06 AM

maybe I should set up a website: dumbthingusaid.com

rene

Would that ^ be your first post then?

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty email? Private? Haha, good joke.

:D

Just to get it straight: you abandoned the existing android app and stopped fixing its bugs or adding new feature, in favor of building a whole new app from scratch, just for Stack Overflow? Sorry, but I do not like this decision. — Shadow Wizard 29 secs ago

Was I too harsh? @Bart @rene ^

(I know his condition, but this really irritates me.)

Bart

Myeah, it feels like one of those "wtf?" decisions, but there's probably a somewhat logical reason behind it. The comment is okay I think.

Shadow Wizard

@Bart thanks. Well, 100% business decision of course. 0% thought about existing app users.

Elephant

> I really want to do an SO app that brings in all the new features we're adding in addition to our current SE app.

I hope it's still true

M.A.R.

10:21 AM

@Elephant whose profile is that?

Elephant

Kasra's response to "SE Android app is abandoned" meta post

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A: Why has Stack Exchange stopped working on the Android app?

I told Shadow Wizard I'd respond to this last week and I've been meaning to every day since it was posted, so here goes. TL;DR: Work has not stopped on the Android app nor will it. It's definitely slowed down, but it's not stopped. The Mobile team is presently just two people: Me, and Brian. Br...

rene

@ShadowWizard well, I can take it ... but if my custom mod flag gets handled you'll be suspended for a long time Sir ;)

Elephant

Otherwise, tell @Pandya to unaccept the answer again.

rene

@ShadowWizard don't forget both Bart and myself are not the World average on where blunt ends and rude starts ...

Bart

@rene well you can just fuc..... ah, I see what you mean

user202362

10:27 AM

Stackoverflow is sitting on windows server, written in C# .net, how can you not have a Stack overflow windows phone app! </trollololo> — Telkitty 36 secs ago

Shadow Wizard

@Elephant well, he just meant the existing app won't be shut down. He never said they will fix any bugs or add new features to it.

@rene nooooooooo00ooo00oo

Bart

@Telkitty stahpit, you'll give him anxiety attacks :D

Shadow Wizard

;)

@rene you are my two best... something.... here. :D

Elephant

@ShadowWizard he also explained it a little bit about shared code base, so that features that go to SO app will get into SE app.

probably we'll get a brand new SE app some time later

rene

@ShadowWizard sure, we are certainly something and we love you too...

Shadow Wizard

10:32 AM

blush

Journeyman Geek

11:04 AM

@Elephant which is nice. I suppose. 6-8 years from now?

Shadow Wizard

60-80 perhaps.

rene

In your kids lifetime would be good phrase now ...

Shadow Wizard

11:22 AM

My kids won't use the android app

Journeyman Geek

they use iphones?

Shadow Wizard

They will use B2BSE

washington.edu/news/2015/09/23/…

Brain to Brain Stack Exchange

I want such hat in the coming Winterbash! ^

@JourneymanGeek they don't use any phones yet... my daughter was told she will get one when she will be 10 years old.... which is 3.5 years from now. Dunno if iPhones will still exist. ;)

Journeyman Geek

I think my mom's phone just died

Shadow Wizard

:(

Shadow Wizard

11:40 AM

I wonder when this will be unfeatured? 6-8 days? Weeks?

It's just noise now, on ALL sites.

rene

@Gerry I assume you're the best source for facts about this scenario: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/295558/…

Shadow Wizard

lololololololololololololololololololololololol

@rene heh, at first I thought it's one of his socks/accounts asking that question, but judging from the English being used, it's not. But surely a sock, no idea why hide the identity...

rene

@ShadowWizard :D

Elephant

Woah... back in 2006, YouTube's "Forgot password" sent the current password in plain text!

Shadow Wizard

@Shog minor and maybe silly request, but can you please remove the spam flag here so that it won't appear as spam?

@Elephant how you know?

rene

11:57 AM

They just received it? It was caching ...

Elephant

Shadow Wizard

lol

Shadow Wizard

12:18 PM

@Elephant metachat.org/index.php/2006/07/03/is_this_a_joke

;)

M.A.R.

1:54 PM

!!/alive

Shadow Wizard

!!/status

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard Running since 13:53:47 UTC (1 minute)

user202362

2:09 PM

@shog dar, how far am I away from getting Q banned on meta. Coz I totally wanna ask a profound question but I am scared that I might get mass downvoted & gang banned again.

Journeyman Geek

ask it anyway.

user202362

too scared ~_~

Elephant

@Telkitty ask here

Journeyman Geek

that's an option

I'd answer it anyway if I knew!

user202362

I am proposing a Stack overflow mascot

Shadow Wizard

2:11 PM

I read "banned" as "banged" above. o_O

Journeyman Geek

I think that was the trolldiea.

@Telkitty like the unicorn?

Shadow Wizard

hehe

-1

Q: What animal is the mascot of Stack Overflow?

Linux has Penguins, GitHub has weird cats and I think even Minix has a raccoon! I think it is long due that Pangolin got to be a mascot! Not yet a Penguin, but close. What say you? (Sorry advance if Stack Overflow already has a mascot and I am being stupid.) EDIT: Oh, got what have I done! Forg...

discussion

Elephant

@Telkitty uhh.. personally, I'd go 'no' because SE hates fun (but loves hats)

Shadow Wizard

(yes, my skills go even beyond MSE! ;))

@Telkitty also, if you mean only SO (not whole SE), this will just be closed on MSE.

But seriously now... SE already got a mascot. Really!

Meet Bubbles (The Stack Exchange Mascot)

Alex Miller on October 17, 2011

This past weekend, CHAOS was working the New York Comic Con (NYCC) here in New York City. It was kind of amazing. But CHAOS wasn’t the only one working hard this weekend….

Meet Bubbles, the Stack Exchange mascot! Some of you might recognize her from her cameo on the podcast video stream a few weeks ago, but her official debut was this weekend at Comic Con. We’ll be honest: not everyone here at Global Domination Headquarters was completely sold on getting Bubbles. I’m not naming any names, Joel, but some people just didn’t see the value in it. Well, the joke’s on those people, ’cause Bubbles was a smash hit. …

user202362

but unicorn isn't exactly unique, it actually symbolizes all successful startups, it's cliche

Journeyman Geek

2:16 PM

._.

Elephant

@ShadowWizard now that really explains this... partially

Journeyman Geek

ahh, the chaos days

Elephant

35

Q: Stack Exchange communities are different! How? Speech bubbles!

When doing a Google search for 'stack exchange', you get this top result (at least I do): Under 'Stack Exchange: Hot Questions', we see the following line: Stack Exchange Q&A communities are different. Here's how: Speech bubbles. Expert communities. Each of our 166 communities is built by ...

bug google

user202362

I am thinking raccoons

Elephant

But SE already had StackEgg :(

Shadow Wizard

2:17 PM

@Elephant don't think so. "speech bubbles" is something else.

user202362

never hesitates to share abundant food with other animals (other animals food that is ...)

Shadow Wizard

anyway... couple of almost NSFW pics there..... :P

Journeyman Geek

or a terrier.

Terriers are cool

user202362

doesn't ring the bell? think about help vampires

Journeyman Geek

(tho technically apparently ash almost counts as a Root access mascot)

Shadow Wizard

2:18 PM

@Tel you really better not try your luck... not with this.

heh, -19/+5 not so bad.

user202362

sounds like you don't like mascot with a sinister twist :x

user315433

2:35 PM

@rene Eh... I wasn't around long enough, actually. No site was "downgraded" from graduated to beta... and no graduated site was shutdown to be rebooted as beta. The closest I know is Answers on Startups but I don't think they had elected mods in the first incarnation of the site..

user315433

Certainly the answer is "no" (as Al E already wrote). One can try to interpret various merges and migrations to SE 2.0 platform as "losing independence" but that's not really what the question is about.

Elephant

Is there SEDE for listing all sites and their reputation gained from questions/answers?

Or is it too expensive?

user315433

@Elephant It's simple enough to total the reputation of all users.

user202362

I love old newbies ... like some 87 year old new player

user315433

It's next to impossible to recalculate reputation earned from votes, because of daily caps and such.

M.A.R.

2:41 PM

Why do you need it though @Elephant? Other than a fact nugget of the day

Obviously, SO values are gonna skyrocket, and betas will be close to empty

It's more or less gonna look like some mixed stat of Oldest and most active sortings

user315433

@Elephant Sites by total rep

user315433

Apparently, Security recently reached 10M rep.

user315433

@M.A.R. More arbitrary base-10 milestones to celebrate.

Elephant

I guess I really need to clarify my query... want to know rep gained on all questions, and rep gained on all answers

or simply, ratio of rep on questions:answers

M.A.R.

Oh

user315433

2:45 PM

That's pretty much impossible, I think. As an approximation, I would take the some of all question scores * 5 and the sum of all answer scores * 10.

M.A.R.

That could make sense if you want to propose to increase rep gained by question upvotes

Elephant

@Gerry I guess that, also bounties

user315433

Too hard, and too few to matter.

user315433

The effect of rep cap is greater than all bounties combined.

user315433

And there are acceptances. That's why I think it's hopeless to try to recreate reputation earned in SEDE.

Elephant

2:47 PM

Yeah...

user315433

We don't even have the data required, such as the precise timestamps of votes.

Jason C

Well

Rep gained only on questions and on answers isn't quite impossible. I mean you can get really close.

You can do the rep cap and everything in a query. The vote timestamps are there but they're rounded to the day, which is enough info to get what you want.

The only thing that prevents you from getting exact is you can't account for rep cap differences due to rep lost from casting downvotes, but that's pretty negligible.

rene

and deleted posts that gave you rep for more then 60 days ...

Elephant

Rough approximation is good enough for me. I really don't expect the exact result

Jason C

If you want to recreate reputation exactly, not just rep gained on q's and a's, you can't. You can't tell who cast votes, and you can't tell if somebody got an association bonus, and a couple other things.

rene

2:53 PM

@Elephant to get you started: meta.stackexchange.com/a/234749/158100 but there more ad maybe better queries

user315433

@Elephant Sites by Q/A rep ratio

user315433

Health leads among Q&A sites: they mostly vote up questions (for the lack of answers)

rene

@Elephant there was this recently: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/348297/…

user315433

Worldbuilding, Workplace, and Russian sites prefer answers to questions.

Elephant

@Gerry @rene thanks very much!

rene

2:56 PM

@Gerry hmm, that followed a familiar template ...

user315433

@rene As many many other queries... should have author in a comment somewhere there, but...

Jason C

@Elephant data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/667090?UserId=616460 is a starting point for up/down rep gained with cap. you'll need to add in accepts and bounties. i don't have time to write more. but maybe that helps.

Elephant

@JasonC thanks, appreciated

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user315433

3:15 PM

As an aside: We are working on bringing the store back. You never know what kinds of things might end up in there... (the unicorn shirt mentioned above won't be remade because it was a special one-time thing, to clarify, but I'm sure other fun things will get made over the years). — animuson ♦ 14 hours ago

user315433

> .@StackPodcast Q for Spolsky: What piece of #stackoverflow Q&A needs improving/revamping/updating the most, and why? -- Kevin Montrose at 7:34 AM - 4 May 2017

user315433

Assuming Joel remembers what Q&A sites look like.

user202362

@Gerry Are you accusing Stack overflow CEO suffering from Alzheimer’s?? Prepare to get sued!

user315433

3:33 PM

I don't know what will happen when ExpressionEngine® Answers mods decide to retire... the site is in no shape to run another election. For now, they keep visiting the site and handling flags.

user315433

One solution would be to expand the site into "Retro-CMS", by analogy with Retrocomputing

user315433

Hopefully Sharepoint will join them.

user202362

3:51 PM

imagine ... Stack overflow branded lingerie ...

rene

4:31 PM

Why did you make me imagine that ... :/

user315433

4:45 PM

> They see over 45 million visitors per month, seven visits per visitor every month, and each visit lasts about six minutes. mindtheproduct.com/2017/05/…

user315433

Mean? Median? Or maybe they all last about 6 minutes, as the sentence appears to say.

user315433

> This prompted Alexa to ask whether they were in the business of making the internet a better place, one Q&A site at a time, or if they were in the business of serving the world’s programmers.
It took them nine months to answer that question. As they struggled with something of an existential crisis, they came to the conclusion that Stack Overflow was their core “why.”

user315433

So that's how rebranding began...

SmokeDetector

5:29 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword in link text in answer: Determining Database Restore Date by Laiba Ejaz on dba.SE

Steven Vascellaro

6:15 PM

How long does it typically take to get TestFlight invites for the SE iOS beta?

user315433

6:42 PM

I guess it's caused by the switch to HTTPS. Previously links within the SE network didn't count towards the badge, but because of HTTPS this can't be filtered anymore (since HTTPS disallows cross-domain referrers). — Floern 3 hours ago

user315433

Ooh, I didn't consider that. Other sites must be getting a lot of Announcer badges, too.

user315433

SU is the best example as they switched to https earlier.

user315433

> What is the code for the Apple, death when you hit yourself, death when you hit the wall, and adding a tail. stackoverflow.com/q/43789217

user315433

This question had a sequel in the Documentation

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Feeds

8:03 PM

El estado de Stack Overflow en español: Abril 2017

Juan M on May 04, 2017

El mes pasado casi se me acabó el tiempo para compartir nuestros números interesantes del sitio. Este mes decidí no dejar que eso pasará de nuevo así que aquí están algunos datos de interés sobre el mes de abril.

¡Disfruten!

Jorgesys – 40 respuestas aceptadas

Gustavo García – 36 respuestas aceptadas

Dev. Joel – 35 respuestas aceptadas

FJSevilla – 34 respuestas aceptadas

eferion – 27 respuestas aceptadas

Como evitar el caché de los archivos css y js – 8 respuestas

Abrir una nueva pantalla, con un un onMenuItemClick y enviar datos – 6 respuestas …