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user202362
12:54 AM
Xmas is a season of giving ... giving your $ to the shops to be more exactly
 
Morzing
 
 
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user315433
3:12 AM
@SmokeDetector spoiler alert!
 
user315433
Not going to watch it, anyway. I searched my feelings and found I don't really care about that universe anymore.
 
user202362
I care about the universe and I don't plan to watch star wars
 
Star Wars... Summer Wars... next line-up, Tavern Wars?
 
user202362
3:28 AM
 
user202362
real or fake?
 
this one's real
 
user202362
 
user202362
 
user202362
who needs moon landing when you got photoshop, right? </trollololo>
 
user202362
3:39 AM
where are the fox and chickens in that picture, damn
 
here's your chicken and fox
 
^ wait, my code is still compiling, cannot open new tab with 100% CPU
 
Alternately I can go tell him how horrible a person he is, again, and just get myself offensive-flagged too.
 
You need more CPU. Or less compiling.
Or a faster browser cough not edge cough
 
We need more cowbell.
 
pendulum + electromagnet + plain old speaker?
 
 
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user315433
5:38 AM
Missed opportunity: retitle this post as "I'm losing my favorite game(s)"
 
@NogShine spamflag him ;p
I linked it earlier, he's spamming in comments
 
user315433
SpamComment is gone by now, but I agree the posts should go the same way.
 
I raised a NAA flag already but they are still there.
Spam comment is gone.
 
5:42 AM
shrug I flagged and delvoted ;p
 
I R/A flagged it
'caused I read it as "please give me 500 bounty"
 
ya, I initially just delvoted those IIRC
 
6:18 AM
\o/ spammer gone
 
6:56 AM
14 messages moved to Chimney
 
7:27 AM
Hi! I have a question about SE content and user's posts. Any one here to help?
 
lol
only if you promise to ask it on meta if its a good question ;p
 
flagged as unclear, but of course we may help if more details are available, or if it's possible for us to answer it
 
or as the old phrase goes "ask, don't ask to ask, or ask to ask to ask or..."
 
Actually, I encountered a question from a per-site meta. It asks whether users should declare that they should also declare they will do exactly the same in their real life. Isn't this a bad idea?
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: For chess tournament by Pawan sondhiya on chess.SE
 
7:30 AM
0_0
Its the internet
That's pretty much impossible
 
> Should users on this forum declare they will act on their beliefs?
 
I try to give answers in good faith but it isn't necessarily what I believe in - just what I think is the best answer
that's silly and unenforcable.
and its up to the reader to decide on the merits and demerits of the veracity of an answer
 
I will give you the link if interested and what's thething is it got 2 upvotes.. bangs head
 
"uhh.. what beliefs?", and looks like a question asked from someone who's participated in Philosophy.SE
 
linkie!
 
7:32 AM
@AndrewT. Hinduism.SE
 
ahh
ya, the context might be important there
 
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Q: Should users on this forum declare they will act on their beliefs?

S KShould there be a "put your money where your mouth is" rule for Hinduism Stack Exchange? For example: If someone thinks Sati is dandy - should he declare that if he were to pre-decease his wife, he expects her to share his funeral pyre? If some users believe animal sacrifice as prescribed in t...

 
ugh religion sites ;p
 
Yup. They are a big mess now. At least the one which I participate.
 
@NogShine he's cherry picking
 
7:34 AM
ugh
 
Aren't the beliefs of the user unimportant for SE?
Even bots can post. Right?
@JourneymanGeek The revision you see is added by another user. The OP has something against a mod and his beliefs there. So, he is posting some meta posts.
 
> You may award your bounty in 1 minute
ugh
 
FWIW, the OP is already suspended, but aside that...
 
clockwork failed
 
Also, SV is that BORI guy, right?
 
7:37 AM
24 seconds!
 
TIL a menorah hat makes a great pullover.
 
it's not a menorah!!!!!1!!!
 
@JourneymanGeek Haha. You have a good memory.
 
menorah got less candles
 
sorry
 
7:38 AM
lol
 
everyone wearing the same hat :)
 
And now @Catija is 500 rep closer to 20k! :P
@Stijn of course it's classic and perfectly fits almost any avatar... :D
 
The problem is.. who's deciding what's illegal or not...
 
@AndrewT. idk, the religion sites seem like a can of worms to me
 
Only @Andrew still sticks with his beard and @Journeyman sticks with the sun....
 
7:40 AM
I imagine lots of people are going to get very cross at each other over them
 
@AndrewT. Depends. In theory, politicians. In practice, it might be the jury.
 
Oh, anyway... I think the answer is: it doesn't matter. Who's to prove you'll do what you believe even if you declare it?
 
@NogShine posted an answer ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek careful on typo
 
@AndrewT. autocomplete ;p
 
7:49 AM
@JourneymanGeek Get ready for downvotes from some :D
 
shrug
meta. there's no rep
 
18 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek
I try to give answers in good faith but it isn't necessarily what I believe in - just what I think is the best answer
 
actually, the top answer on Sati question has already mention the best conclusion: "It is important when discussing religion to separate cultural practices, especially those of ages ago, from religious practices."
 
This would be worth mentioning there and it's Internet. Isn't it?
 
didn't need to ;p
 
7:51 AM
okay.
 
fine, there.
@Magisch my reasons for staying away from hinduism are funny
1) parents are superreligious.
2) I get enough of that at home
 
> When you say the scriptures praise it, don't you understand it is an endorsement of it to fellow Hindus <insert any religion>?
 
3) I find other sites more important.
 
... I can see a very clear case from other religion...
 
every other religion
but but
Its a book ;p
Our actions are more important
There's this wierd cultural thing that apparently cats are so unclean that you should never touch one
and I'm
"kindness to life is more important. I PET THE KITTEH"
 
7:57 AM
I'm more of a dog person. I despise kitteh!
 
@AndrewT. I wouldn't have one as a pet.
Unless it was a very special cat
 
that is, catdog
 
Jews were ordered to stay from pigs. I stay away from pigs. I just eat what's left of them after their meat is put above fire.
 
7:58 AM
@JohnDvorak fire cleanses all?
 
Yep
 
holy fire :)
 
@JohnDvorak the prohibition against pigs is probably cause they were badly suited to deserts
 
I like the cats of my friends and family. You get to pet them without having to clean up cat litter and stuff. Wouldn't want a cat myself.
 
I also got a dog by accident ;p
 
7:59 AM
They'd do just fine on Manna if they didn't refuse to eat it
 
but I kinda like dogs.
@JohnDvorak sometimes I think the old testiment god was a bit of a dick.
 
You know it's the same one as in the New Testament?
 
"here's some food - but I'm not going to tell you in a nice booming voice THOU SHALT SHUT UP AND EAT IT!"
@JohnDvorak well, he did have his son tortured...
and killed painfully
 
my code is compiling... again...
 
Not his choice. The only part he cared about was the "died" bit.
Torture was Satan's idea.
 
user202362
 
sure, blame him.
But but, what did he do?
Just give people options
"Eat the fruit! Gain free will"
 
He lied to the mankind before they had any concept of being lied to.
 
"Don't die painfully! Run away! Live as a hippie in I donno, Kashmir!"
 
Not dying at all would have been the better option
 
@JohnDvorak would it?
 
8:03 AM
Do you think otherwise?
 
Mortality means people strive for something bigger
also why the heck have such an obvious way to lose it, and leave it in reach?
unless you knew that would happen?
 
user202362
every religion based discussion will end up badly because discussion is based on logic and religion is based on faith, you can argue something that's based on faith with logic
 
(I'm not being that serious about this ;p)
 
It was a split second decision on Satan's side. Kinda hard to predict.
 
but but
omniscience
 
8:05 AM
God can decide to know everything, but he likes the idea of a free will
In modern terms, wavefunction collapse
 
user202362
how do you know god is not a 'she'?
 
ah! But then that means he wanted them to eat the apple.
@Telkitty or she.
but in this case, he ;p
 
user202362
satan is a chick too
 
Nope. He trusted humans. Deservedly. Things would have been fine save for Satan.
 
@JohnDvorak but he made them who they were. So he knew they'd have a chance of eating the apple.
 
8:07 AM
So that they'd realize there is something above them in the chain of authority
 
user202362
think about it, hell is hot because satan is hot, she is the hottest thing under the sun
 
The candy's on the counter. The 3 year old is going to eat it. I don't blame the 3 year old, or the candy. I blame whoever put it there
 
And, c'mon, it's not that hard to not eat a god damn apple.
They were adults.
 
not really
adults have experience - or in a sense "knowledge of good and evil"
 
They ignored the fruit just fine before Devil pointed it out.
 
user202362
8:08 AM
I mean an apple a day can keep the doctors away, hot chick satan is trying to keep adam and eve healthy
 
@JohnDvorak why even leave it there?
 
user202362
imagine, instead, satan offered a meat lovers pizza instead
 
Like, what's even the point?
"here's a big red unlabelled button, don't touch it"
 
To remind them of his authority
 
entirely abitrarily and capriciously to boot.
coulda been a pizza. Or a squeeky ball.
 
8:11 AM
As the old story goes: The little boy's mother was going off to the market. She worried about her son, who was always up to some mischief. She sternly admonished him, "Be good. Don't get into trouble. Don't eat all the chocolate. Don't spill all the milk. Don't throw stones at the cow. Don't fall down the well." The boy had done all of these things on previous market days. Hoping to head off new trouble, she added, "And don't stuff beans up your nose!" This was a new idea for the boy, who promptly tried it out. In our zeal to head off others' unwise action, we may put forth ideas they have not...
 
This big red button is the "selfdestruct in 5 seconds" button. I'd advise you not to touch it. Otherwise, you can do whatever you like.
 
or beans.
 
... a label wouldn't have helped either
 
cause they couldn't read
 
8:12 AM
real case:
One admin was discussing the deletion of the main page in IRC and asked if the technical ability to delete pages with over 5,000 revisions, like the main page, had ever been re-enabled. Another admin (jokingly) commented that he had tested it and found that the main page still couldn't be deleted. The first admin thought he would test it for himself. The main page got deleted. You might think you are having a laugh, but sometimes, the joke is missed. If you find yourself having to say "jokes do not come across well here", you are best off having avoided the joke in the first place. In other words...
 
See? He was keeping them illiterate and stupid, and easily controllable.
(while its been amusing, lol I HOPE I DON'T OFFEND ANYONE)
 
You hope? No, YOU DID OFFEND EVERYONE!
;p
 
@AndrewT. that would be amazing.
everyone
 
One point, if Adam and Eve wanted to defect, but they didn't find an excuse, they might have decided to defect at a later point. Though, it's hard to argue for the possibility of "even more damage than 6000 years of human suffering and cosmological confusion"
 
@JohnDvorak if later points mattered
they were essentially immortal and stagnant.
 
8:20 AM
I find it really hard to be nice about religion so I usually just refrain
 
struggle and strife and pain can be bad, but it can also be a crucible. Its easy to be a good person in good times. Its who you are amongst the worse times that shows who you are
@Magisch I half jokingly refer to myself as a hindu/foundationist
Every faith has good aspects, and bad aspects.
they all little kernels of truth which help us be better people, in a load of bull made up by people.
 
Could there be a religion without said load of bull?
 
hmm
Maybe at the beginning?
But people suck ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek idk morality isn't objective so there isn't necessarily a truth to it to speak of imo. But there are parts of every religion I can accept and parts I cannot. And I tend to get angry at the bad parts a lot so mostly I extricate myself from the conversation
 
One of the really lovely concepts I picked up from being in a methodist school was "personal faith"
 
8:23 AM
personally for higher powers I know that I don't know and have no surefire way to find out so whatever is after will have to surprise me
 
As in, "I don't care what you think as long as you don't tell me"?
 
@Magisch I personally feel that the important parts are universal - there's an objective "trying to be a good person"
 
@JourneymanGeek If you boil it down to the core element its mostly about empathy, I think
aka the golden rule
 
for me 99% of my school of hinduism is its part of my culture
so, I'm not going to bloody well try to convert you, or even talk about specifics outside context
;p
 
@JohnDvorak I don't care what you think so long you don't use it to oppress others or try to force me to live by it
 
8:25 AM
@Magisch I assumed that was a lighthearted conversation.
I wasn't trying to convert anyone away from christianity ;p
 
I'm not a christian
also this is pretty lighthearted
 
I was just making a quip on John's comment
 
ahh ;p
ok
(also, nuked 2 pages of spammers. Was bored, and I can't do it too fast, rate limiting XDXD)
 
It's just sometimes it becomes really hard to mentally seperate the mostly good people practising a religion from its darker sides
 
8:27 AM
@Magisch in a sense that's kinda what the meta post I replied to was about
well and a little more complicated but ehhhh
You don't want me to talk about that do you? ;p
 
its ok
 
The issues there were really more about culture tbh
 
culture and religion becomes pretty hard to seperate when they intertwine like that
 
da
but also slightly easier to talk about without pesky religious contexts
 
nein
 
8:30 AM
consider "I'm vegitarian cause otherwise I'll be reborn as a roast chicken" vs "ehhh, its just how I grew up, and it still feels right"
 
Are you saying that a dubious reason is worse than no reason at all?
 
hmm no
 
depends on the action I'd say
 
but its easier to talk to someone who dosen't believe in reincarnation that way
and I'm the latter
 
the former will probably try to convert you or guilt trip you into converting
"You'll be reborn as a roast chicken too, unless..."
 
8:32 AM
How can you be born already roasted?
 
I find it much easier to accept religious people who don't try to convert me
 
@JohnDvorak dude, metaphysics
(also simpler than saying chicken, then roasted for all eternity, and eaten)
and that is totally a reason someone said.
 
even if we ignore the questions about soul identity
oh
 
@JohnDvorak hinduism believes everything has a soul
even a rock. $deity knows how those get reborn.
 
but, if you get eaten as a chicken, don't you get a new body right away?
 
8:34 AM
you basically just paid back the karma for causing the death of the chicken
and the goal of the soul isn't heaven
 
user202362
There are two main strategies by plants to survive fire. The first is the ability to sprout new growth from protected parts of the plant, and the second is the use of chemicals from bush-fire smoke to initiate germination of seed.
 
user202362
@JohnDvorak ^ this, roasting needed for germination to happen
 
(what the actual goal is... is basically one of the two big schisms in hinduism)
 
@Telkitty chickens don't do that, though.
 
@JohnDvorak pheonixes!
while we're talking about mythical things ;p
 
8:36 AM
Phoenix chicken. Sounds awesome.
self-cooking dinner
 
@JohnDvorak there's a neil gaiman story about that
 
and, if you don't eat it, it revives and dies again, so it's always fresh
 
@JourneymanGeek Is that between Moksha and Nirvana?
 
You just need a fireproof container to store it in
 
Wow, so Tavern, much chat
 
user202362
8:38 AM
 
I watched a documentary about that once
 
user202362
just like the oven?
 
@Magisch whether we become one with god, or so close to god that its like we're one with god.
 
where you get reborn into continually higher castes if you do it right until you get "freed" at the end
 
karma?
 
8:38 AM
Thats the idea behind karma
 
@Magisch the joke being, being a bramin dosen't promise you liberation.
 
If you do good things your next rebirth will be as a higher caste
 
But, don't you lose consciousness the moment you merge with God?
 
especially in this age.
@JohnDvorak its a bit hazy on that ;p
 
or rebirth as an animal...
 
8:39 AM
@JourneymanGeek I always understood it as to get to nirvana you need to be good in the sense of a hinduist because if you're bad you'll just fall down the ladder on the next re-do
 
but every soul's also a fragment of god.
 
What if I just act as the worst villain, get reborn as a tree and then just chill for 6000 years?
 
@Magisch Nirvana is a buddist context
 
So if you're a bramin but behave badly you might be reborn as a goat or something
 
@JohnDvorak this reminds of the plot of "Talos Principle"
 
8:40 AM
Don't goats live a better life than humans?
 
@Magisch true story - if you're a bramin who dosen't do his parent's death rites properly. the story is you're reborn as a dog...
my dad jokes that my dog's his dad
 
my problem is I don't buy the "all life is suffering" principle
 
@Magisch on the other hand, a dog or goat has easier morality ;p
 
I'm pretty comfortable in this life
 
@Magisch Life shapes us.
 
8:41 AM
If I got reborn into this again I'd be quite content
and then there's rene, who is a flower
 
goat eats a flower, gets reborn as rene. who kills someone by hayfever....
(I'm half certain concious action's needed but...)
Which is why I think "the next life" dosen't matter ;p
 
Then you die as a flower and get reborn as a goat ... with technicolor wings ... capable of devouring the universe.
 
hm. Not come across that one yet.
 
or you reborn as... a universe
 
Well. you are a universe.
 
8:44 AM
Hence, God
 
you're a million zillion atoms, with an ecosystem inside you.
You're a random assembpage of stardust, which is sitting in front of a machine that's the culmination of hundreds of thousands of years of man's growth...
with more computing power than most of that era put together...
and you
watch cat videos on it.
 
millions of your cells die and are replaced by other cells, so you're not yourself anymore.
 
@JourneymanGeek cats are pretty good tbh
this post is brought to you by rampant latent toxoplasma gondii influence
 
@AndrewT. genocide on a mass scale! Wars won and lost! Life and death! Fluids!
 
@AndrewT. My self is an idea. It's the sum total of my experiences. It's everything I've been so far and everything I've experienced, accumulated.
I'm someone else then I was yesterday or even 20 minutes ago...
 
8:50 AM
yup
 
I dunno, I just restated what I watched from Vsauce O_o
 
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
> •Apps offering “loot boxes” or other mechanisms that provide randomized virtual items for purchase must disclose the odds of receiving each type of item to customers prior to purchase.
 
yeah, saw the news~
 
Now that's epic. I will really enjoy watching where this goes.
 
9:00 AM
I love it
 
FWIW, some games (at least one that I'm currently playing) already disclose the odds. However, to prove it is another question...
"You want to prove it? Here, buy more IAP!", "It's rarer than the odds? Well, it's statistic, there's deviation!"
 
@AndrewT. and remember, no money prizes mean this is no gambling!
 
@AndrewT. This is like the one guy who farmed an item with 4% drop chance and didn't get it after 19k attempts in WoW
turned out the drop chance was bugged
 
9:20 AM
@Magisch yep. That is another nice option! We didn't publish fake % on purpose! it was a bug!
No money back for that, but here, take this 10 gems as a gift (total cost: < 1$)
 
@Derpy Or like the XP in destiny 2
"Buy a XP booster now for 4,99$. It'll double your XP *"
(we'll throttle you to 5% xp gain if you keep playing for more then 15 minutes at a time)
 
@Magisch It'll double your XP for 2h after its usage.
remember: you have to force them into the throttle area
or just have them use "stamina points" for any action so that to fully use those two hours they will also need stamina pots refills. At just 10$ each.
 
@Derpy They didn't tell anyone the throttling btw
 
Hi all ... just for your opinion. Will the following avatar be offensive for someone or not?
 
XP past lv.20 in Destiny 2 awards you with a random-lootbox with shaders and ingame bonuses and consmetics - the same lootboxes they also sell for $ directly
The boosters were marketed as a way for someone to not spend as much $ for extra boxes if they play a lot
 
9:28 AM
cute octobot
 
What they were then doing is "prevent abuse" by making a pretty unforgiving "soft cap" of xp/8hours that people could earn
 
@AndrewT. seems to be missing a black tie with a moon on it.
 
going over the cap would throttle your XP down to as little of 5% of the original value
 
does nobody have associate this with strapons or something else sexual?
 
@Magisch when I was playing LOTRO I had the "opposite problem". Had "bonus experience" at all the times
 
9:31 AM
Destiny 2 has become incredibly stale anyways
 
@alexolut I'd say "cute skirt" in the first place, but realized it's more "octopus legs"
dunno about the othre
 
I don't even have the motivation to play the DLC at all since the loot system is a really uninteresting and basic version of other systems
 
9:43 AM
@alexolut BAAAAAN! BAAAAN BAAAAAN! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!111!!!!ONEONEONELEVENTYONE!
 
@JourneymanGeek usually there is no notifications: 1. ban. 2. no explanations
 
@alexolut you usually at least get a mod message.
 
@JourneymanGeek mod message should be duplex ... now it's only one direction.
 
@alexolut you can reply once
problem is some people like to argue too much
as a mod though, in an ideal world, I wouldn't need to send mod messages. And when I do, hopefully the stock ones work, and rarely, I'd like not to have to explain in extreme detail why something seemingly self evident, isn't
 
I gave up on Destiny 2 after a few days. "so many players are online in our game!!!11" yeah but why am I soloing an event for the umpteenth time then
 
9:52 AM
@JourneymanGeek yes. But my reply has questions that will never be answered.
@JourneymanGeek boo-boo-boo
 
@alexolut but I don't necessarily need to listen to them? But sometimes I do. Not all squeeky wheels need grease... ;p
 
mod should be user-friendly person
 
mod should be an exception handler. not necessarily user-friendly...
I mean, there's a mod on a certain SE site that I'm opposed to, but they was elected by the community, so...
 
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