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Journeyman Geek

12:11 AM

@AaronHall On one hand, that mitigates passive reputation. On the other hand, some answers are always relevant, and sometimes folk actually keep answers up to date

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user202362

1:44 AM

quiet part of the day again ... lemme present to you: the corn house

user202362

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4 hours ago, by Aaron Hall

Aug 23 at 19:29, by Aaron Hall

Jul 20 '16 at 14:58, by Aaron Hall

We don't want a bunch of one-offs to "deprecate". We need to automate. The way to do that is: 1) Unpin the accepted answer after 1 year, and 2) value more recent votes more than much older votes.

This is my final recommendation. makes up consulting invoice

Journeyman Geek

2:23 AM

@AaronHall Why does the value of an answer go down with time?

It doesn't - the value of a vote should go down with time. Great answers will continue getting new votes. Crappy answers... don't, relative to new great ones.

Pops lost his diamond :'(

user202362

that's yesterday's news

user202362

there is a chance that they will move on to better lives ...

What are objective measures of a great answer? I mean, aside from votes, what can we quantify? Here's some things (no semantic order) I'd say are objective criteria for great answers: 1) Still relevant 2) cites canonical sources of information and provides quotes 3) provides example code 4) demonstrates superiority to alternatives 5) provides performance measures of alternatives 6) critiques other answers 7) responds to comments 8) accessible to noobs 9) cites & quotes implementation source code

If I graded answers, this would be on my grading rubric as an A answer (first draft anyways).

user202362

2:34 AM

and most basic thing: it actually works, and works in preferably all circumstances

user202362

nothing beat a perfect looking answer that does not work

Well even a good-looking bad answer can eventually be overtaken. I just did it on a 200+ vote answer...

The trick was to include a strong criticism explaining exactly why it was wrong, and then wait about a year or two for enough voting readers to agree...

Journeyman Geek

@Catija that's speciesist

@AaronHall and why? And it adds complication to a simple, easy to understand system to boot?

@Telkitty only after I overtook it did I start getting a couple upvotes a day... stackoverflow.com/q/576169/541136 :/ before overtaking it, I'd average a vote every other day. After overtaking it about 10 days ago, I'm getting about at least a vote a day, one day got even 4...

@JourneymanGeek This ^^^ demonstrates that ranking matters.

People don't write good new answers because they think it's hopeless and thus not worth their time.

Improve the ranking, and we'll get more and better answers.

user202362

I think the strategy is to choose good questions, answer it quickly to secure the first answer spot then refine it quickly. And deleting not positively upvoted answer after a month or so.

user202362

2:47 AM

If there is a system, someone is going to game it for maximum profit given same effort

@Telkitty "the strategy" being your strategy or the "commonly accepted strategy"?

user202362

observed strategy, one of them anyways ...

I don't think my efforts are Sisyphean - they take a long time to pay off, but it works. If we want better canonical answers, we need to improve the ranking system.

3:10 AM

@Telkitty en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_Palace

user202362

so this was taken near Colorado (yes near not in), could you tell me what the letter written at the side of the hill means?

user202362

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@Telkitty any more detailed info about the location? I'd suggest trying Google Maps/Earth on Satellite mode

otherwise, try Travel

however,

Hillside letters

Hillside letters or mountain monograms are a form of geoglyph (more specifically hill figures) common in the American West, consisting of large single letters, abbreviations, or messages emblazoned on hillsides, typically created and maintained by schools or towns. There are approximately 500 of these geoglyphs, ranging in size from a few feet to hundreds of feet tall. They form an important part of the western cultural landscape, where they function as symbols of school pride and civic identity, similar to water towers and town slogans on highway "welcome to" signs in other regions. == History... ==

and list for Colorado

user202362

3:38 AM

near here:

user202362

Horseshoe Bend (Arizona)

Horseshoe Bend is a horseshoe-shaped incised meander of the Colorado River located near the town of Page, Arizona, in the United States. Horseshoe Bend is located 5 miles (8.0 km) downstream from the Glen Canyon Dam and Lake Powell within Glen Canyon National Recreation Area, about 4 miles (6.4 km) southwest of Page. It is accessible via hiking a 1.5-mile (2.4 km) round trip from U.S. Route 89, but an access road also reaches the geological structure, as it is part of a state park. Horseshoe Bend can be viewed from the steep cliff above. The overlook is 4,200 feet (1,300 m) above sea level, and...

user202362

P for Page I guess ...

user202362

3:50 AM

also the river down there is called colorado river ... :x

Depends on the site. I have a 100+ answer on IPS that was nowhere near first. Top answer by... lots.

user202362

thinking of having an Europe road trip in the next 2 years - planning road trip is one of the best ways to learn geography it seems ...

Journeyman Geek

4:26 AM

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Anonymous

4:40 AM

@AdamLear @Shog9 FYI: My account is still marked as a Chat Dev on StackOverflow.com. Oded and CJY too. (I don't think it's just caching responsible for them still having their diamonds, but I could be wrong.)

@JeremyBanks Thanks for the heads up, I'll take a look (and/or punt to balpha :))

Anonymous

now y'all've left me with only ~2 months to extend my security hall of fame streak to include 2017.

Want me to slip an XSS in somewhere for old times sake? ;)

Anonymous

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Anonymous

^ :P

Anonymous

4:51 AM

I don't think I've ever seen that feature used.

Yeah, I have no idea what it would even do these days.

user202362

I am amazed at your dedication - log in on a Friday night to see whether you could still access the system at your old work place

That looks like a feature to notify earthquake alert in Japan...

Anonymous

I got enough drinking in yesterday to cover the next few Friday nights.

user202362

you obviously don't drink much

Anonymous

4:58 AM

Correct. :P

@JeremyBanks Refresh chat and lemme know if your, uh, issue is fixed?

Anonymous

@AdamLear "Fixed".

"Issue"

Thanks :)

Anonymous

you're welcome

Journeyman Geek

@Telkitty hah, if you're anything like me you'd just have a bunch of bookmarks labellled "Work" ._.

.... I'm half curious if my login for the blog/website at the last workplace still works ;p

Anonymous

5:09 AM

I had a Chrome profile named "Stack", but...

Anonymous

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Journeyman Geek

:(

I'm sorry :/

Anonymous

It is what it is

Anonymous

(I saw this guy (Max Holloway) fight in Toronto, his last fight before he won the championship. He was fun.)

6:27 AM

when cheeseburger is a really serious business: twitter.com/bradfitz/status/926539201406836736

user202362

Honey Badger Houdini - Honey Badgers: Masters of Mayhem - Natural World - BBC Two

Journeyman Geek

7:25 AM

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8:16 AM

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Q: Does unaccepting violate site rules?

Few days ago I unaccept a lot of answers to my questions just to test could I get daily rep limit by accepting 100 more answers on the next day. But I couldn't ... because of suspension. Someone from the mods decided to put me in penalty box for 3 days with the reason "rule violation": I ...

discussion support account-suspension rules unaccepted-answer

Journeyman Geek

8:36 AM

@alexolut Kinda think that broke rule 0.

Had I done that, I would not have been suspended. Everybody knows I'm insane, so it wouldn't have been "out of the ordinary"

Spammers are hilarious. There is this one spam wave hitting my domain every day like clockworks from 2pm to 5pm

And after a month or so they're gone again for a while

Journeyman Geek

9:08 AM

@Bart I'd have asked the meta question first ;)

meta.stackexchange.com/a/302854/135565 needs delvotes

also, pretty sure dude's a troll

@JourneymanGeek that was the 2nd non answer in a row, now deleted.

@JourneymanGeek what's rule 0?

Journeyman Geek

@alexolut Depends on who you ask - "Don't be a d***" or "Please use common sense"

If your actions are going to affect others its worth considering that rather than wondering what happens when you light a match in a room full of airborne dust.

@JourneymanGeek why not to add accept/unaccept daily limit?

Journeyman Geek

@alexolut Personally? I don't think anyone thought anyone would do that.

Though I suppose that tripped off something

\o/

I donno, and its probably one of those things

9:20 AM

@JourneymanGeek it tripped off Patrick ...

Journeyman Geek

@rene I was assuming an auto flag.

Not seen if there's one before buuuuut...

@alexolut probably cause it's unlikely. Same way post vandalism results in a flag. It's an anomaly that needs a human to look at it.

@JourneymanGeek @Pat is prolific auto-flagger ...

Journeyman Geek

I'm missing a reference here

9:37 AM

I'm sure you so. Patrick was the first to report here as he noticed his drop in reputation.

and he does close vote and flag spam and such

Yes, it is a bit far fetched

but hey, it is Saturday

Journeyman Geek

Ahh

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10:40 AM

._.

Journeyman Geek

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

ITS YOU!

(wibbles)

user202362

I wonder whether I look very friendly because there are always strangers asking for directions/my help ...

user202362

Two in a row this evening

Hopefully you're not a target or something...

(I guess the Wizard of Shadow will ask me about the name change.... sooner or later)

user202362

Me, target? You are making me feel wanted ... even spammers have mostly forsaken me nowadays

10:55 AM

Awww, maybe I can send my spammers your way?

user202362

11:12 AM

2 days ago, by Success

It's been a hard day's night...

user202362

Shall we start witch hunting?

user202362

11:24 AM

@Bart I would gladly accept the garbage @ 0.25 rep per spammer

user202362

Especially discounted 4 u

I'll see what I can do. They're particularly interested in selling you printer ink or telling you about the benefits of turmeric

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Journeyman Geek

12:34 PM

@rene I do actually think the profile pic question's a dupe

yeah, I'm still hunting for a better one

Geek's duplicate is good enough, there's action for user too

or, should I call you Journeyman? or...

Journeyman Geek

@AndrewT. rene linked it but was uncertain

@AndrewT. geek's fine

or fluffy dog :D

Journeyman Geek

The journeyman's in front for distinctiveness and cause I liked the way it sounded, and small private joke

12:38 PM

I ended up on this: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/212433/… don't ask

Journeyman Geek

I sometimes miss the old SE :p

(still the same awesome people I suppose, mostly)

Friday in Iceland~

Journeyman Geek

@alexolut Off the comment-record... I think reaccepting 100 answers at once also tests... the patience of the staff here, assuming there's an autowarning for that

On the other hand, you're likely to not remember whose answers you selected...

@JourneymanGeek on each unaccepted answer I lose 2 rep. So I know which answer I unaccepted.

Journeyman Geek

ahh

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Journeyman Geek

3:05 PM

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4:41 PM

With a shotgun

next

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Journeyman Geek

11:10 PM

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11:24 PM

@AndrewT. so finally you gave up? Game is over? :(

For how long it lasted? Two years?

@rene mine is worse: meta.stackexchange.com/a/212498/152859 :D

in iOS and Android Apps, Apr 4 '16 at 6:32, by Brian Nickel

@AndrewT. not intended. I've noticed the refresh control unexpectedly appear while scrolling. Could be related. Will debug.

@BrianNickel did you have chance to debug? ^

11:50 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, mostly dots in answer: Image Sequence Render Awfully Pixelated by Michael.66 on blender.SE

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