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1:36 AM
@Catija To me the house somehow looks like en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scream#/media/File:The_Scream.jpg
 
3:17 AM
6 hours ago, by Desire
Side effect: can close on Meta now. \o/
at last I can too... >_<
 
Yay.
No more cv plz. More cv mwahaahaha?
 
3:41 AM
YouTube's Rules Don't Apply to Everyone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj8n78AuN3w
 
tbdw.
;p
 
user202362
@jou where about in Singapore do you live?
 
@Telkitty Nearer to tanjong pagar, just outside the city proper.
 
user202362
pretty central
 
user202362
I lived in Bukit Batok for two year, but that was like ... 2 decades ago
 
3:54 AM
yup
 
4:26 AM
@cazc_941 your new Today's Listening? ;)
 
@Catija and a smiling sun, which imgur cropped... should be visible shortly though. :)
 
We tried so hard to convince mods. Now we have no idea what to say else. :(
 
@JourneymanGeek "darned spectacular run" you mean IRL? But... you did get a job... better than nothing, some would say. :)
 
@ShadowWizard no, on MSE
@TheLittleNaruto then there possibly is nothing left to say
 
4:34 AM
@TheLittleNaruto still about the frozen room? Ask the source (the mod who froze or mod(s) which have issues with the group of users) what exactly is expected, what is forbidden, then either ask/wait for unfreeze or start a new room with same name while making it clear to everyone the forbidden things won't happen anymore. That's what I'd do.
 
@JourneymanGeek :(
 
@JourneymanGeek oh lol
 
@ShadowWizard we did everything
 
@ShadowWizard that job was basically literally literally the worst
 
@TheLittleNaruto asked after the freeze what caused it? Think you deserve at least this...
 
4:36 AM
Tbh I wouldn't have written on meta if I had to make a different room
 
the people I was actually working with were awesome, the job scope, doable if a bit hectic... and everything ruined by people playing odd political games
@TheLittleNaruto what was worth keeping on the original room?
 
@JourneymanGeek well there are other jobs in the big ocean... ;)
 
Many starred messages which have good links
 
eww links
 
4:38 AM
Links can always be re-posted
 
more seriously - was there a good userbase that can't be moved? anything unique to the room that was awesome and worth keeping?
There's been times when primary chat rooms for a site had to be shut down
 
We also have a fb page which points to our chat room link
 
and... things go on
life finds a way
@TheLittleNaruto which can be edited...
 
Of course.. But still .. dunno damn I am all confused now
 
Also there's always the possibility whatever was going on in the room was not acceptable by the standards of Stack Overflow moderators. SO is, after all, a full time programming site, and perhaps that's what expected from its chat rooms. So maybe even just posting random cat pics all the time, with zero programming related chat, is reason to nuke a room. @TheLittleNaruto (in such a case, there's nothing to do, not even create new room. Just not using SO chat any more.)
 
4:40 AM
@ShadowWizard cat pics, depends
 
(Again, not sure, just possible reason. Only the mod(s) who took active part can tell.)
 
Now I recall people talking in other languages was an issue.
1) I do that sometimes as a running joke
2) I immediately translate (or as soon as possible)
 
@ShadowWizard true.
 
3) If a mod asks me to stop, I stop....
(Especially cause I'm a SE chat mod)
 
@JourneymanGeek Apdiya?
 
4:41 AM
amaaam. ;p
(he asked if that was true. I said yes. ;p needs no translation)
 
@TheLittleNaruto so did you ask directly why the room was frozen? That's the most important thing to do...
 
(also, this is very rare)
 
@ShadowWizard yeah I asked . I'll just point you to the question: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/357749/1944896
 
@JourneymanGeek What is rare?
 
@Sinister breaking into tamil
;p
too much is annoying, and I do remind folks english is the main language of chat.
 
4:47 AM
Don't worry. I only know a few words in Tamil. ;)
 
ah, then I can't call you mike.
 
@TheLittleNaruto oh. Well... so guess what @JourneymanGeek said.
 
(There's this odd local-tamil thing where people greet each other with "Enna mike?" - someone once remarked "Is every single tamil guy called mike?)
 
4:51 AM
@TheLittleNaruto I run a chat room on SE (Entirely by accident. Long story!) . Its a fairly well behaved one.
I might disagree with some of my fellow mods on this but I feel running a healthy chatroom isn't about the individual things that go wrong. Its about the overall functioning of it.
 
@JourneymanGeek secret room?
 
@ShadowWizard naw
For some odd reason, I'm kinda the moderator people tend to associate with Root Access.
(probably cause I idle all day there ;p)
 
Reminds me of a room, think in ELL or EL&U which started as a "fun" room and became at some point the site's main room. ;)
 
Language Overflow.
on ELL
 
yup
@M.A.R. pointed me there long ago
 
4:54 AM
@ShadowWizard in a sense, its our main room. We do however have a very healthy room culture (which people don't get sometimes).
Its a room for people who like computers and talk about other things a lot more than a strictly to topic room. And that works for us.
On the other hand, moderation is mostly by threat of savaged ankles and rolled up newspapers rather than suspensions ;p
 
 
1 hour later…
5:56 AM
That's for you geek
 
user202362
Can we say Joel is an amazing peddler and Stackexchange is an great marketing network in a sort of ways? Will I get burnt at stake?
 
You can say
lol
 
user202362
wtf
 
haha
lol
It's your day
keybase launched encrypted git
 
user202362
If you think about it, the entire tech sector is about peddling nowadays
 
user202362
6:07 AM
thanks to capitalism
 
@redhand someone ate it.
 
6:20 AM
dec??
Google took me there
actually to one of his answer
he have 3 major rep losses coz of user removed
 
"major"?
100? 1000? 10,000 reputation points? ;p
 
-160, -100, -748
and then few -2 and -5 and so on
 
oh, those are pretty bad
also seems unusual
 
6:38 AM
Who else’s uses websockets at scale? We’re still running 5-600,000 concurrent these days, but I’m sure there are larger. Anyone know some?
 
@redhand Those are heavy blows.
 
user202362
I have an entrepreneur idea - making tea bags out of tea!
 
.... what else do you make tea bags out of?
 
@Telkitty for reusability?
 
user202362
@JourneymanGeek other kinds of leaves, not tea leaves ...
 
user202362
6:46 AM
@redhand for taste of course
 
user202362
Paper is a thin material produced by pressing together moist fibres of cellulose pulp derived from wood, rags or grasses, and drying them into flexible sheets. It is a versatile material with many uses, including writing, printing, packaging, cleaning, and a number of industrial and construction processes. The pulp papermaking process is said to have been developed in China during the early 2nd century CE, possibly as early as the year 105 CE, by the Han court eunuch Cai Lun, although the earliest archaeological fragments of paper derive from the 2nd century BCE in China. The modern pulp and paper...
 
my bad
I understood in another way
 
OH. Paper made of tea leaves?
though you can't use properly processed tea.
 
 
1 hour later…
7:50 AM
@JourneymanGeek any of the mod will have to reply now. It's getting worst out there. :/
 
I donno. If they agree, I don't see why they need to
 
Why not ?
 
We tried hard to convince them.
 
And you didn't.
 
7:54 AM
Even the users from our room trying to convince with the facts.
 
I'm not sure. I'm not hearing much more than "My room is frozen" and "The mods won't reopen it"
You gotta be more convincing to get your way.
 
We put our answer which is just not that
 
You gotta make a case not promises
 
We explained well
How and why we should get a chance
 
>
Frankly, you're going to have to do a lot to convince me that this room should be reopened. In the last two weeks, we had to act on a user there who was posting disgusting racist and homophobic slurs, as well as multiple users posting pornographic content. As described in this transcript, I almost deleted your chatroom on the first incident, because not only were many of these slurs not flagged, it seemed like members of this room were encouraging this behavior. The porn posts came after that
duuuude
 
7:56 AM
We added a case too
 
this is like, shouldn't even happen.
 
For example last time the room made frozen because of too many non speaking English users and when we got chance, language was never issue
@JourneymanGeek I agree.
 
Buuuut. It did
annnnd
> @RobertHarvey - We can ban the problem users from chat (as was done, and we also deleted sock puppets that were then created to evade these bans), but the larger problem was that the room was seemingly fostering this behavior by not moderating it themselves. When I find that slurs were sitting there unflagged for months, and see other members seemingly supporting this behavior, I begin to question the culture of the room. – Brad Larson♦ 15 hours ago
Indicates you guys weren't handling it
You don't even need an RO to do it.
 
Just last few weeks we all were too busy to moderate chat
 
"months" - someone's sense of time is out, and I'd trust a mod more.
once again though
I'm seeing a pattern of gross misconduct
You could get a main chatroom for a site nuked for far less.
 
8:05 AM
@Telkitty Congratulation! You got the Achievement "Japan does it better"
 
I'm pretty sure that if you served japanese tea from tea bags they will cut off your pinky for soup.
@TheLittleNaruto scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/a/10922/25606 give this a read
Everything shog said about mos seems relevant here
 
@JourneymanGeek ^ these are "Dragon tea ball". You put one in a glass teapot. They open up and bloom.
 
@Derpy ok, that is cool
 
So, you get a flower in your teapot that
1) looks nice to see
2) works like a tea bag
 
3) will suddenly grow 6 feet tall and eat your mother in law.
 
8:08 AM
Example: amazon link
(notice: they seem to have zoomed in the flower - that or the teapot is very small)
 
@JourneymanGeek it is relevant . :/
 
and why unfreezing your room's probably not the best idea
 
 
and If I may be just the tiniest bit mean, its almost like a kid who just killed his goldfish asking for a dog.
 
8:29 AM
@JourneymanGeek Would love then to know where in all of this fits my flagging of an offensive post (and then signaling it via the "contact us" option...) being totally ignored. I have my personal idea about that, but I will avoid other comments. That said, I no longer really trust chat moderation.
 
@Derpy chat moderation is hard
and there's a lot of disagreement on the best way - I tend to focus on a handful of rooms, and consider it a long term process. A few other mods feels popping in whenever there's trouble is effective apparently
@Derpy I don't like to just suspend or kick. I also try to let folks know what went wrong. But that said, having a healthy chat room to start with means many of these issues are sporadic, or handled on the spot.
 
May 5 '14 at 9:04, by SPArchaeologist
@LaszloPapp - I have fought enough against windmills in my "UO unofficial server seer" years. Not going to start again now.
@JourneymanGeek maybe deletion of the offensive post would be a good stard.
 
@Derpy My usual process is to decide if its accidental, or clueless, or intended to offend.
if its the first two, warn and clean up. If its the last, deal with the user too.
 
@JourneymanGeek Don't know... would you say calling someone "mentally ill" is enough of an offense?
 
Well, I prefer not to talk without context to whether it is
 
8:37 AM
@JourneymanGeek thanks for the link
got this
 
and this
in Poisoned room; it is defunct. on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, May 12 at 2:50, by Shog9
If any moderator un-freezes this room, they will have hell to pay.,
 
@redhand its worth looking at the history of mos. Multiple issues, multiple freezes
New/replacement chatroom's been quiet
(don't get me wrong, some chatrooms managed to pull themselves out from the brink too)
 
@JourneymanGeek as I say, I no longer care. Whatever it goes now won't probably change much of my view. And you, you are obviously free to trust me on this or not. Again, won't change much.
 
@redhand just FYI, I know what I'm doing when I don't link to a transcript. Please don't go spoil that.
afk
 
8:41 AM
hah
@rene and the point I was trying to make feels lost :(
 
@rene in some room, you've said that you are old and you forgot many things
 
9:04 AM
@JourneymanGeek I'm as lost as you.
@redhand thanks though ;)
and afk again
 
user202362
@Derpy so those flowers are just to look pretty and does nothing to enhance the taste of tea?
 
user202362
that defeats the whole purpose of making teabags out of tea
 
@Telkitty they replace the tea bag.
Instead of having a paper tea bag that looks just like a tea bag you have a tea "ball" that opens up and becomes a flower.
That is why you would want to use a transparent teapot
Sorry it it wasn't clear. Even I discovered those existed just recently.
 
Heyya :) Just a quick question: Is it possible to flag a post in the chat one has sent? I did not want to test it out for obvious reasons ^^
 
you mean flag your own message? Should be possible, and is actually used by some when you want to report something but you don't have a specific message to flag.
 
9:20 AM
Ah ok. Because yesterday there was a guy who might have flagged his own message to cause trouble. I ended up kicking him after some more things he should not have written but I wondered whether it was possible in the first place... Thanks for the quick answer :)
 
@geisterfurz007 yes
 
For the reason Derpy mentioned? Or why is that possible?
 
And there's sometimes legit reasons for flagging your own chat messages
 
For example? I could not think of any. Derpy mentioned flagging if there is trouble but no specific message to flag. Any more examples you could give?
 
@geisterfurz007 many reasons. For example you realize you just released someone private info in a picture (maybe you posted a screenshot and you forgot to censor some private data like a server url, and user mail etc)
 
9:25 AM
Ah ok. Thanks :)
 
other option. You realize you posted something offensive and you have the courage to self-flag your message for moderation.
Really, there are many reasons you should be able to self flag. But probably you shouldn't overthink it too much. Unless you were just wondering why they "left open an option that caused you problems" (ie: the user you mentioned misbehaving)
 
Yes that has been the case :D
Thanks again and have a nice weekend!
 
@geisterfurz007 bye.
 
user202362
this is why I love albatross ...
 
10:05 AM
I'm... dreaming of.. a...
 
Red Wedding?
 
Red Wedding??
 
Donno, its your dream.
Maybe Yellow Fever
 
It's kind of Blue's Clues
 
noticed your post while searching for comments about this piece of news on the chat
 
10:45 AM
Heh Israel always involved...
 
hey
 
hay
 
just a quick question is there an option to block an user just for me? I'm sick of the comments of two users
 
10:49 AM
I just get crazy when I get more notifications from them
too bad :/
 
SE is not FB
 
and that is great^^
 
182
Q: Add the ability to ignore users

KipStack Overflow has successfully borrowed at least one XBox feature (Achievements). I'd like to see another feature borrowed as well. Let's say I'm playing Halo online and another player is being a bigot. I have the option to add him to a list of ignored users. After doing that, all the racist...

 
@ShadowWizard true
@rekire you may saw lots of number in red but only one entry will be there in the dropdown. The last comment
 
10:53 AM
@ShadowWizard you are joking. I'm starting thinking switching to Linux.
 
I missed this kind of conversation.‌​..
 
I have had enough of windows, that one is the last straw.
 
@redhand It is just that I'm wasting my focus by notifications on my mobile for a person I not care about. or better I do but in a bad manner^^
 
11:07 AM
@Derpy how is that related??? Lol
 
@Success star wars 2 4?
@Sha raised an issue can you check with your memory to confirm not a dupe
 
@ShadowWizard because I had switched to using a Mac OSx machine as "storage" and a windows machine as a dmz for browsing. Since Windows is incapable to defend itself, I was considering an antivirus. Now, this article somehow proof that commercial antivirus are also incapable of being antiviruses.
So, I may as well go the extra mile and switch to Linux.
 
@Derpy switching to linux isn't that hard ._.
 
Or Qubes
 
Unless you're a gamer
@Derpy or just run a livecd
 
11:20 AM
@JourneymanGeek the problem with livecd is that they will get old fast
 
@Derpy use avira personal
I am using that for years without any issue
 
@Derpy replace them periodically. They are immune to everything ;p
 
They are NOT immune. Simply, the infection should NOT persist reboot.
 
which is better than an install...
nuke it allllllll
also, kaspersky is probably a FSB front at this point, if they weren't before
 
@JourneymanGeek yep, that is obviously true. The main vulnerable point would be the unit you use for storing the data you downloaded. If your live distro is linked to an hd that doesn't get erased, the data could in theory "infect" the distro after you run it
and infect it every time you boot.
 
11:24 AM
yup
 
that said, that would probably require you to access some data.
Unless the usual "bug"
 
 
@JourneymanGeek there is a reason I switched to console gaming many years ago.
 
@Derpy I gotta have my keyboard and mouse
 
@Feeds the curve is not that good
 
11:36 AM
@JourneymanGeek don't really feel the urge to play Mario with a keyboard ^_^
 
user315433
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A: How to remove the tell me what you want to do search box in Ms Office Excel 2016

FrankOI told 'tell me what you want to do' to remove the 'tell me what you want to do' menu. Needless to say, it replied with a load of gibberish.

 
user315433
Software companies generally overestimate the intelligence of their "AI".
 
sorry to interrupt again. since I got a little upset I need to find out if I see that right:
in Room for Hans1984 and InsaneCat, 21 hours ago, by bluefeet
@Zoe I suggest you take a step back from this right now. Rekire and Little Naruto were involved in the conversation with Jon when the room was frozen. It was suggested that someone bring it up on Meta - Little Naruto volunteered.
that means that zoe should not involve in this topic right? he wrote a lot of comments which mad me sad and upset
might be someone should check it
I'm also wondering if zoe is not a sockpuppet of his (still banned???) account lunarwatcher
 
11:56 AM
@Zoe is here.
and he is pingable
@rekire ah please don't add comments like this. People may flag it as rude/ offensive. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357749/…
 
I think that I had to put some attention on that since jon said yesterday that we should not handle things, if that is a job for a moderator. more or less...
@redhand well I was just honest
 
Zoe
@redhand she*
 
@rekire I am just saying. there are chances
 
@redhand sure, thx for the feedback
 
are you a women @zoe ?
 
Zoe
12:07 PM
@redhand can I say it's complicated? xD
 
@Zoe I think bluefeet is spending much time for chat moderation nowadays. so be carefull
 
should it change anything?
 
Zoe
So since rekire ignored me, can someone reply to his message where he suspects this account is a sock puppet that it isn't? I recently changed my username, still same account
 
rekire, Zoe want to let you know this
1 min ago, by Zoe
So since rekire ignored me, can someone reply to his message where he suspects this account is a sock puppet that it isn't? I recently changed my username, still same account
 
Zoe
I assume that's why I was pinged here in the first place
 
12:10 PM
fine, I'm happy that I was wrong
 
yes
I did it
14 mins ago, by redhand
@Zoe is here.
 
Zoe
Oh well, I got an answer to write.
 
12:26 PM
crossed 6K flags on SO
 
@Cerbrus If you think suggesting/recommending solutions is "spoon-feeding", then you have been doing "spoon-feeding" in all your SO career so far by helping users to gain repo for your personal interest. C'mon man, we are not asking you to moderate the room, that have to do by the RO's in any case but you can at least come up with an idea how that can be done instead of taking interest in questioning about how RO's gonna implement that. — Mukesh Rana 52 mins ago
Worthy of a rude flag?
I find it kind of rude but meta is fickle with comment flags
 
Zoe
It looks fine to me
 
no
 
The first part of that is a backhanded insult imo
 
I raised a custom mod flag on one of the comment saying delete unnecessary comments. It is overflooded (well, in another way)
 
Zoe
12:38 PM
"show 44 more comments" - it's needed
 
no. most of them are on the line. The rules are somewhat less in meta than the main site. But many comments are on the line and may or may not be considered as rude/offensive
 
@redhand on mobile, harder to search
@Derpy and you 100% sure this will be really safe?
@redhand comments are temporary by design. In those cases it is legit to just nuke all comments.
 
@ShadowWizard obviously, not. The secure pc is the one without power, and even that has some exceptions....
That said "reasonably more secure" would already be something.
Also, unrelated.
5 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek
>
Frankly, you're going to have to do a lot to convince me that this room should be reopened. In the last two weeks, we had to act on a user there who was posting disgusting racist and homophobic slurs, as well as multiple users posting pornographic content. As described in this transcript, I almost deleted your chatroom on the first incident, because not only were many of these slurs not flagged, it seemed like members of this room were encouraging this behavior. The porn posts came after that
@Magisch does one really have to ask what could be done to avoid closure next time^?
 
@Derpy This isn't my comment you're replying to
FYI
 
user202362
You get world peace if everyone disappears from the earth, but it's probably not the kind of world peace you are after ...
 
12:51 PM
Fine, I'm gonna disappear ;(
 
user202362
@Success did you dream about blue feet?
 
@Magisch not saying it was your, I meant I find it rather "funny" that they have to ask how to avoid closure if the room did indeed contain "disgusting racist and homophobic slurs"
 
Blue's Clues with Bluefeet, hmm...
 
@Success Bluefeet's clues featuring several actual blue footed boobie birds as well as a blue dog and steve
maybe also featuring @JourneymanGeek with blue cap and blue dyed fur
 
user202362
I didn't know who blue's clue was ... I thought more of 'clue with blue'
 
12:55 PM
 
user202362
I am head over heel in love with albatross, I have been stalking this chick:
 
user202362
too bad, albatross could not sue, otherwise the bird might sue those who weight it every week for harassement ...
 
1:08 PM
huh?
Oh darn, I really need to prepare my popcorn...
The Irony.
 
1:31 PM
popcorn implodes
 
1:45 PM
@Success why?
 
1:56 PM
@ShadowWizard when someone playing a good cop, but also exposed as a bad guy
 
status-missing-context
 
well, the still on-going chat room drama
 
@Success oddly enough, it fits also my rant about Kaspersky from about 3h ago
 
@Derpy heh, you're quoting me quoting him?
@Magisch these colours do not run. Or dye.
 
@JourneymanGeek nope, just referring to the alleged news about Kaspersky scandal with them as the "good antivirus cop" exposed as a "tool for Russia secret agencies". Again, you decide if the news deserve trust, personally I am a little bugged by the idea it could be.
 
2:10 PM
@Derpy Ah
 
Even if the breach wasn't intentional, it would once again prove that the current situation of the IT world is "nothing is secure"
 
(I just run defender)
@Derpy nothing is. All hardware is also faiilible.
There's a good arguement for not having a mono/biculture
There's even processor internals with security bugs (intel's AMT?)
 
@JourneymanGeek Fallible is not equal to purposely infected. Can live with the "failure/bug", but the bug then are exploited. Or the "bugs" are made to be exploited.
 
@Derpy how do we know? How do we know a honest bug hasn't been exploited already? ;p
(can't trust nothing these days)
 
I mean, was I an hacker I probably would also be one of the greatest contributors of code for Linux...
what is better than contribute your own security holes? Just make sure they are obscure enough no one else will notice...
 
2:13 PM
NSA's been accused of doing that....
;p
 
I know.
not that there are many options left
Qubes does not introduce anything really new, in the end they are just a bunch of sacrificable VM with a (pretty good?) sandboxed environment so that one vm should not easily compromise others. But every vm is as secure as the OS it runs.
linux is secure as far as you trust it opensource nature.
and live disk OS are stuck in time, forcing you to craft a new live disk every month. Btw, which system are you going to use for crafting the live disk?
may as well use that Google OS.
at least I know Google will get data about my activities but maybe since basically no app run locally I would finally be "virus free" in a way?
Good old paranoia. Thanks Internet.
 
@Derpy I'd go with ubuntu or fedora LXDE
I have a special HDD that lets me load ISOs directly... which is helpful
 
@JourneymanGeek I still trust kaspersky more then I trust the FBI and CIA who reported on this
for what it's worth
 
2:29 PM
@Magisch Trust no one. The only safe computer is unplugged and in 10 feet of solid concrete....
On the other hand
who the hell cares enough about me to hack me?
 
@JourneymanGeek I kinda have the same attitude. I can start worrying when I'm worth hacking
which is not now or close to now
 
@JourneymanGeek to use your computer as part of botnet
 
@ShadowWizard true
but that's probably not state actors
 
I am sure there are millions upon millions of computers which are part of botnets, ready for the Day of Command. Literally.
 
I'm running a botnet to hack myself?
 
2:39 PM
not worth attacking is a thing, but as shadow pointed out I would prefer my pc to be slow just because windows and not because botnet, bitcoin miner, some government scanning my vacation photo hoping to find area 51 etc...
 
@Derpy no that was me trying to reveal your gender. ;-)
@JourneymanGeek yeah states just buy millions of fake FB and Twitter accounts to spread fake news...
 
If I wanted to give someone free CPU cycles i would have opted in for some DNA decoding cloud computing campaign, not for some cold war circus our world clowns just have to do instead of focusing on more urgent matters like people who die of hunger...
 
2:52 PM
Cold war is dead... Long live Fake war!
 
but yep, I suppose that money is better spent for a 2kk vacation house on the beach. Let charity be founded by the remaining 80% of the world population (that probably just happen to have less than one third of the whole world money...)
 
To be honest, the "rich" countries can't solve the hunger problem of the poor countries. If they will just send food worth billions of dollars they will become poor themselves.
 
Probably don't solve, but surely greatly help.
 
@ShadowWizard They could if they could stop exploiting the everloving hell out of these countries' natural ressources
And if they could stop fanning sectarian violence there or propping up dictators
You know the middle east is poor entirely because we decided we had to redraw the map to suit our colonial and war interests leading to decades of sectarian tension because we split social groups and forced them to live with their enemies. And then we propped up dictators that'd sell out the natural ressources of the land to us for no return. Helping the poor countries of the world starts with stoping to actively mess them up
You know why the islamic revolution in iran happened and secularism got toppled? Because the US decided it was a good idea to prop up the Shah.
 
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