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Jon Ericson

12:03 AM

@Quill Huh. I guess there is a backstory to the comments I'm getting then. Something about "rope".

Quill

12:18 AM

Yeah, JNat should know more about it if you're curious

Quill

12:30 AM

Damn you mods for not using your supernatural ability to attract attention!

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hichris123

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Quill

I just found an email I got a few days ago from an SE user saying they couldn't manage to login to languagelearning due to an OpenID issue

hichris123

@Quill Should I move this too so it's not so out of context?

Quill

sure :p

Shog9

no

Adam Lear

12:39 AM

@Quill what issue?

Shog9

I think my favorite common sense is smell

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Quill

> Unable to log in with your OpenID provider:
The openid.return_to parameter (url here) does not match the actual URL (url here again) the request was made with.

@AdamLear would you like me to forward you the email?

Adam Lear

@Quill $10 says they're running HttpEverywhere and trying to log in with Stack Exchange OpenID

@Quill sure, I'm happy to respond. Forward to adam@ and cc the user so they know what's going on, please

As a general rule, feel free to point folks at team@ for all their tech support issues :)

Quill

Yeah, I was pointing them to the Contact Us originally. Email's sent now

Adam Lear

Sweet, I'll respond in a bit here. Thanks!

user202362

1:21 AM

bwDraco

2:42 AM

meow

JamesENL

Boop

tchrist

3:07 AM

What is this?

Doesn't remind me of any spam profile.

hichris123

I'm... not sure. Very strange.

tchrist

Yeah.

bwDraco

Flagged. It's entirely irrelevant to the question.

tchrist

Well, yes.

I just haven't decided how hard to smack it.

bwDraco

3:22 AM

...and it's gone.

Good night.

SmokeDetector

4:11 AM

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JamesENL

sd k

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4:38 AM

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5:01 AM

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Quill

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JamesENL

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JamesENL

5:30 AM

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5:51 AM

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JamesENL

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6:18 AM

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JamesENL

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Derpy

6:51 AM

@JamesENL ide

JNat

@JonEricson I don't believe there's any backstory to them. You say "share your assistance and advice with them as they learn the ropes," and since he'd been a pro-tem between me being hired and them having had their first elections, they're just playing with the fact that they don't need help learning the ropes 'cause they've helped shape the site's policies in the past and won by a landslide, I believe

@Quill Only saw a single user saying they were quitting chat; did I miss something?

SmokeDetector

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Quill

7:15 AM

@JNat I thought senshin threatened some stuff during the last election, at least that's what some of the guys in chat said.... you can find some of that conversation here: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/31893697#31893697

@SmokeDetector k

Derpy

I hope the whole "we are doomed" and the "threat the ones that do not agree with him on the ID-Request topic" isn't based on this.

in Maid Café (メイド喫茶) on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Aug 21 '15 at 4:39, by senshin

@Killua Well, geez. I thought that not having find-my-pornography questions was what was best for the community, but clearly the community believes the opposite - that having find-my-pornography questions around is actually best.

JNat

@Quill There weren't any threats, from what I can tell. Similarly to the current election, some users found the tone senshin used when referring to id-reqs in the last nomination (see comments) was not the best.

Quill

Ah, I see

JNat

@Derpy Also, this chat message happened during said election, which aggravated things a bit, yeah.

My general impression was that some users found that he shouldn't be so markedly stating his opposition to id-reqs

I agree that his tone could have used a slight polish, but see nothing blatantly objectionable

Derpy

@JNat My point is that I would expect Stack Exchange itself to step in and ban those question (that for a period were most of the question I would see on the site while I was thinking if I should join it... now you know why I didn't), so I can't say I am very aggravated by the fact a mod isn't fine with tolerating them. That said, the message should have been expressed in a more polite way.

And probably someone should have called for a community manager to step in far far ago (in a far away galaxy)

JNat

7:28 AM

@Derpy Step in to ban id-requests? That should be a decision made by the community, and not by staff.

Derpy

@JNat Not any ID-request. I guess senshin was talking about the "uncouth" ones, which were allowed for a while, took the majority of the post on the site and then were banned alongside all ID-Request if I understood correctly?

JNat

@Derpy By my recollection NSFW id-reqs never took over the site. Since there were several attempts to accommodate for general id-reqs, we, at a certain point, also tried to allow for id-reqs about more... let's say niche anime to be asked about, provided they stayed away from more graphic details and tried using "technical" language. It became apparent very quickly that that wasn't gonna work, though.

Actually, let me make that clear: clearly explicit stuff was never allowed. The problem was always with borderline content, 'cause, you know... the whole "drawing the line" thing

Derpy

@JNat Then I will assume I was just unlucky and I visited the site in a bad timespan. Not that I am really that convinced to be honest, but well... I will trust you since you would probably know more.

JNat

7:44 AM

@Derpy This comment, for instance, came right after he closed a question asking where an image, hidden in spoiler tags and showing a girl taking her lingerie off but not quite showing anything, was from. The debate ensued 'cause some said the image was pretty tame and hidden in spoiler tags, and others (senshin included) saying that's pretty NSFW and "identify-my-porn" stuff should go elsewhere.

@Derpy There was a brief period of time in which people would actually go there to ask what hentai a pic or video was from, yeah. Those were summarily closed, deleted, and the explicit content edited out of the post.

Regardless, id-reqs are now dead and buried, so that's nothing to worry about any more.

Derpy

@JNat Well, it --may-- be my perception (ask @ShadowWizard, I am know to be pretty strict) but I also had the felling the "image bot" they run in the chat used to post more questionable images back in the day, and I think that caused problems too.

JNat

@Derpy It is not your perception only. The bot has been more closely monitored 'cause even a few regulars complained a while back. Furthermore, it has the ability to unbox/hide or delete (undo) an image posted recently if it shouldn't be there.

The thing is that it used to post images uploaded, basically, by a single user. So that user uploaded stuff according to their taste. Nowadays more people contribute with uploads, so, in addition to the tools for moderating I mentioned above, the content is much more diversified.

Derpy

Well, I didn't want to stir-up an argument here, nor to bring any dramma or make you lose time for nothing. All what I meant is that I am not really surprised a mod there could trigger some "fight" by delving into such matters.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy yup, I confirm. And "pretty strict" is huge understatement. :)

Derpy

(and that if I was in your place, the "holy mace of smiting" would have fell there with much more thunders and fire..)

SmokeDetector

8:16 AM

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Bart

8:39 AM

Wow, the Graphic Design SE see those as on-topic?

Shadow Wizard

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Q: Should we allow "recommendation" questions?

This question was recently asked and closed: http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/6054/what-are-the-best-online-collaborative-tools That particular question had several problems (off-topic, showed no prior research), but also fits in the the general software-recommendation category ...

Not sure if/how it changed over the years though

holy gravatar! gravatar.com/avatar/…

Am I the only one seeing this weird error?

qwer

Gravatar is okay on me

(read as: no Error 503 anywhere)

Bart

9:06 AM

Wow, just saw that "turd polishing" question on MSO again ... way too much energy has gone into that one.

Derpy

9:44 AM

What can I say, we obviously have Arale in our user-base.

Bart

... that's a non-pony reference?

Derpy

@Bart Is that a question or a request to find an Arale-pony image?

Bart

... of course there is a ponification for it. Nevermind. Good to see you're still okay.

user202362

10:06 AM

Like I'm the only cat in the world
Like I'm the only pet that you'll ever love
Like I'm the only one who knows your heart
Only cat in the world
Like I'm the only one that's in command
'Cause I'm the only pet who understands

Derpy

10:22 AM

みっちりねこマーチ - MitchiriNeko March - Cute cat characters in a marching band!

►

(and before @Bart worries.... youtube.com/watch?v=8VIllAilTnE)

user202362

cats one got more views >_<

Derpy

cats one is the original....

user202362

10:42 AM

has anyone ever thought about that 'I have been born into this world without my permission?'

hichris123

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SmokeDetector

11:13 AM

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11:38 AM

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SmokeDetector

12:23 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Turn around for or to something? by Inda on ell.stackexchange.com (@ShadowWizard)

JAL

12:59 PM

I know no one really goes on Patents.SE, but can anyone take a look at this and see if they can repro? Area 51 link on Main 404's Thanks.

Shadow Wizard

@JAL of course. The "Site stats" box is standard for all beta sites.

For some reason, Ask Patents is in a status of beta site, see its privileges as well, so it got the box.

JAL

@ShadowWizard thanks for the comment. Can the link be removed since there is no proposal (like you said). Or can the box not be modified like that

Shadow Wizard

@JAL probably the code currently does not support removing it per-site, that's why they still didn't remove it.

JAL

makes sense

Shadow Wizard

Might be wrong though, @Shog9 can the "Site stats" box be removed from Ask Patents since it's, well, not really a beta site?

user202362

1:16 PM

u, u! luv 2 ping ppl when they sleep

user202362

is it because you want ppl 2 have ~~nightmares~~ dreams about you? :p

JAL

Isn't Shog in Colorado? It's after 7

Andy

@JAL If I worked from home, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't start work at 7am

Magisch

@JAL You can color him surprised, eh?

Punlicious :D

JAL

ha, good point Andy. I get up between 7 and 8 and the first thing I do is check my email and SE. But I imagine Shog gets a lot more pings than I do...

Bart

1:49 PM

I'm sure he prefers to refer to them as "ban requests".

Magisch

@Andy If I worked from home I could start right after getting up, or in other words, 5.30 am :P

Bart

If I worked from home, I wouldn't work from home.

Magisch

why not

user202362

@Magisch too close to the fridge & bed, especially behind peoples back :p

Magisch

can be in lazy pants and loafers all day. Together with deliverable groceries, I'd never have to go out :D

Bart

1:52 PM

@Magisch I tried it in the past. Never got much done. There's something about the process of going to work, doing the work, and then switching off when going home.

Derpy

In a nutshell: the few false positives as in your case are nothing compared to the thousands of "plz solve my problem" titles we would be getting if it will be allowed. — Shadow Wizard 5 hours ago

@ShadowWizard Right: we prefer to get thousands of "plz solve my pr0b1em" instead. :P

Bart

That issue still annoys me. Mostly because in the evaluation people working around the problem (haha) were counted as part of the positive results.

user202362

For me, the worst kind of working from home is that you have to work in the office for 8 hours during the day and still have take work to home to finish it. The best working from home experience is when I work for my own business, getting up late, exercise in the late afternoon and code until 1am-2am (that's just my natural rhythm) :p

Magisch

My natural rhythm is getting up at 5.00-5.30 am and going to bed at 11.30-12.00pm and no later

user202362

The worst was once I was posted in London office for 3 months, the last 2 weeks, I was given 8 hours of work in the London office and 8 hours of work from the Sydney office.

Shog9

2:07 PM

@ShadowWizard it can be, yes.

Magisch

I dont work more then 8 hrs a day when coding, period. If there is more, it'll wait

Hey Shog

Bart

Nobody can code well for more than 8 hours a day anyway. Especially over long periods of time.

Or at least I have yet to see someone who can

Magisch

If I code while physically exhausted I generate more work then I solve

Bart

I do that even when in good shape. :)

Magisch

I don't fancy working to create more work.

user202362

2:09 PM

It can't wait when your clients were big banks

Magisch

Gotta have time to fuel my insatiable SO addiction :p

user202362

Personally I get more work satisfaction when I know the things that people use are entirely or mainly built by me :p

Magisch

I like the type of work where I get to solve a given problem entirely

Like the buy this scanner write this driver build this database backend and then make it all work together and deploy it to production thing.

user202362

I used to be obsessed by having to learn new things everyday. Then it changed into that I have to build something everyday. Now I becomes that I want to create something that people use everyday :p

user202362

But what I think is useful, what people use the most and what brings in the most money are three different things.

Shadow Wizard

2:27 PM

@Derpy meib u!

@Shog9 oh, good to know. So will you remove it on Ask Patents? Or is there a reason to have it there, with the broken link and everything?

@Telkitty so you make bread now? ;)

Derpy

@ShadowWizard first step to become a Valkyrie?

user202362

More like help fixing up kitchen/bathroom & water leaks of family properties. In a strict sense, fixing doesn't equate to creating. But it's useful to the tenants.

user202362

Owning things can be great, but you also have to maintain them.

user202362

Also creating app that not many people use, my heart is broken :'(

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty eh, my fixing skills (non software related ;)) are somewhere below 0.... D:

@Derpy if they make bread then yeah, probably...

user202362

2:45 PM

Bread is about 85 cents per loaf here, I am thinking (no seriously) more along the line of buying a diary farm and export milk powder to China. ~_~

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3:08 PM

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Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty cheap! Ordinary bread costs around 2 USD here, anything more than the basic costs double.

And that's when the ordinary bread is subsidized by the government...

user202362

3:24 PM

Food here are fairly cheap, basic bread $0.85 a loaf, milk $1 a litre, lamb loin chops $9 a kg, palm sized prawns $15 a kg (if you know where to get them). Tradies are expensive, range from $80-$100 an hour

Shadow Wizard

Yeah, nothing is perfect... :)

But what's "Tradies"? @Tel

user202362

tradesman

Stijn

Hi @AdamLear, do you think renaming the Necromancer badge to something more neutral, is something that can be considered? See this. I don't feel like posting on Meta as it has potential for being a downvote magnet.

user202362

plumbers, electrician, tiler, roofer, waterproofing professionals etc

user202362

that's why we are fixing things ourselves :p

tchrist

3:29 PM

@Stijn I guess Paladins and Necromancers don't mix?

Stijn

@tchrist I suppose so :)

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty oh. Here no fixed rate, each taking as much as he wants. And many take way too much, e.g. there was a plumber who charged $2000 for fixing a simple leak.

Adam Lear

@Stijn Uh. I mean, it's possible, but "one person didn't like it" is not exactly compelling reason to do it.

I agree that a meta post would likely not fare well, but I don't know how else we'd even start to gauge the popularity or presence/absence of community support for the change.

Bart

@AdamLear if a meta post would be a downvote magnet ... don't we have our conclusion already?

Jon Ericson

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Q: Renaming of "Strunk & White" badge

Strunk & White has been criticized by linguists. The reasons (at a very high level) are that it is prescriptivist (and some style manuals in the US such as the Chicago Manual of Style have become quite liberal (meaning more descriptivist) recently) and linguists have demonstrated that it is incor...

feature-request badge-request

vs.

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Q: Can I avoid being given a Strunk and White badge please?

I'm horrified to see that I am well on the way to being given a Strunk and White badge. Can I avoid wearing it please? Can I elect to have a Fowler's Modern English Usage badge instead? I hate Strunk and White. If I am writing the way Strunk and White would have me write, I am making a bad mistak...

discussion badges

I think it can be asked well. But I'm not sure we're going to change without a pretty good reason.

Stijn

3:47 PM

@Bart I feel like lots of people could downvote it for the sake of it, without actually caring about what the badge name is. It could be renamed without mentioning it (in het geniep). Anyway, I'm personally not at all bothered by it, just throwing it out there :)

tchrist

Gorsh!

Stijn

@JonEricson I suppose as long as you don't get daily requests from people to remove that badge from their profile, there's no good reason to change it.

Bart

@Stijn I really don't get all the (recent) meta fear. Just write a decent well-motivated request and see if it sticks. If not, oh well.

Jon Ericson

@Stijn I think the two things I'd look for are: 1) solid reasons to remove the objectionable name and 2) an alternative name that's better. Frequency of requests is far less important.

Adam Lear

+1 to what Jon is saying, basically

Stijn

3:52 PM

OK, thanks for your input!

Bart

Name it an Archaeologist badge. Or the CPR badge.

Adam Lear

@Bart stackoverflow.com/help/badges/1286/archaeologist

Naming is hard. Unique naming is harder :)

Bart

Archaelogist#2 ... next

If you need more help, you know where to avoid me

Adam Lear

Absolutely, if I need you, you'll be the last to know.

Bart

:D

Adam Lear

3:55 PM

:)

rene

5:40 PM

@Stijn I'm much in favor to change lot of things in het geniep and then have 1000 sockpuppets ready to down vote any meta post that complains about it ;)

tchrist

@Bart The Archaeologist badge is probably offensive to professional desecrators, or even to dilettantes.

hichris123

7:52 PM

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Hmm, is stackoverflow.com/review/reopen/13561415 actually reviewable? It's been in the queue for 3+ days now...