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Quill

12:41 AM

Now with sandwich spending less time here, I might need to transform into Twitter bot

bjb568

Oh god they're making another jQuery.

Shog9

1:07 AM

You think that's bad... Look at how many Reacts there are.

bjb568

I don't want to look.

Quill

Speaking of React:

any one interested in a React Native contracting gig? Really interesting product being made by great people who could use some extra help.

Tweeted by jc4p on May 27, 2016 at 8:58 PM

Aaron Hall

1:52 AM

Here's my proposal from Programmers, but refined, regarding counting net up/down votes towards close/reopen votes: meta.stackexchange.com/a/279700/239121

Shog9

will it help?

I mean, it's all elegant & schit

but will it actually make any real difference?

Aaron Hall

Of course it will help!

pshh

Shog9

quickly coming to the conclusion that auto-closing anything scoring < 0 is the only way to really make a difference here

collecting votes just takes too long

Aaron Hall

Aren't you working a bit late?

Shog9

who says I'm working?

also, how'd you escape The Whiteboard?

I thought they had a better labyrinth than that.

Aaron Hall

2:01 AM

I get around. I'm not prolific, but I get around.

user202362

you need to create another dimension

user202362

all problems are solvable by creating an addition dimension

Shog9

must've forgotten to feed the Pale Man

So here's the quandary.

Stack Overflow wants fewer questions

Not necessarily even better questions, just fewer

They're at the limits of what they can reasonably process

and growing the number of folks processing is... hard

Programmers wants to have the same questions, but a different name

their current name doesn't describe the sorts of questions they accept

their proposed names don't describe them either

So they try to make it work with elaborate descriptions of their scope

full of $100 words that go right over the heads of the folks they wish to talk to

Aaron Hall

I thought you wanted more questions, not less. Easy: you need to make it harder to ask questions. Make them jump through hoops.

user202362

maybe learn from how brain works - most asked/viewed/answered questions should be in the foreground. Old, inactive ones hiding deep inside the memory lane from searches ...

Shog9

2:05 AM

The best questions come from folks who can answer them themselves, given enough time

add time to asking, and they won't be asked.

Most questions come from folks who can't answer them, even given infinite time

add time to asking, and they will still ask them

ban them for months, and they still come back and ask

Aaron Hall

"Must be this tall to ride"?

Shog9

almost any hoop is easier to jump through than, "learn to program and read the docs"

Aaron Hall

Invitation only?

user202362

...

user202362

google is made for all sorts of idiots, why can't SO/SE?

Aaron Hall

2:08 AM

quick IQ test?

user202362

if you want to be popular, learn to how to deal with idiots

user202362

because they made for the most of worlds population

Aaron Hall

Apparently you don't want that.

I mean, I understood that from the beginning.

Atwood and Spolsky.

Not interested in dealing with idiots or being popular.

Shog9

So, that's an option. The entrance test thing, I mean

It's a hell of a bar for folks who don't like being tested though

And doesn't do much for folks who don't mind cheating

Aaron Hall

yeah, easy. Who doesn't like being tested?

if you're smart, I mean.

Shog9

2:11 AM

lots of folks don't like being tested

Even if they're smart, even if they're good at the stuff being tested.

Some people just react badly to it

Conversely, some folks love tests but aren't particularly bright

<---

So, you can end up optimizing for the wrong thing

As a number of organizations found when they got too enthusiastic with those "clever puzzles" in job interviews

Ideally, we'd optimize for folks who... Read.

Really.

user202362

@AaronHall a lot of people don't like to be tested, because it's a waste of time

user202362

they could use the time for more productive things

Shog9

But all of this, it takes a certain... Willingness to discard probable rubbish

Up-front

user202362

also you can get better at tests

Shog9

Not as a block, but as... Don't show it to anyone unless they go out of their way to look for it.

user202362

2:14 AM

so the more you do those tests, the better you become

Shog9

That's a tough sell.

Aaron Hall

well, you said you wanted less questions.

Shog9

@AaronHall actually, I said Stack Overflow wants less questions

I, personally, would be happy with just different questions

I mean, if we didn't have to delete 10-20% of questions, that'd just be less work for everyone

user202362

why does Stack overflow want less questions?

Shog9

@Telkitty have a look at the home page

or /questions

most of them are...

user202362

2:17 AM

That doesn't answer my question ... I mean that's not an answer :x

Shog9

...boring

if you're into C++

or you're into JavaScript

or web-dev

bjb568

Correction: Look at any page. The questions are crap.

Shog9

or, like @bjb, are a jQuery fiend

hichris123

@bjb568 That's not true.

bjb568

We need to reduce crap, therefore we need to reduce questions.

hichris123

2:18 AM

The "Too Broad" question was actually pretty interesting.

Shog9

you might think you could drop onto SO for a good bit of education and entertainment

bjb568

@hichris123 psst, kat is making generalizations.

user202362

most of the things on news or twitter or facebook or google are crap

user202362

your point?

Shog9

and instead, you're mostly gonna be wading through trivial / ultra-specific nonsense looking for something that piques your interest

And you think, "if there were just 10x fewer questions, I'd find something interesting faster"

which... Probably isn't true, unless something else happened along with that reduction

hichris123

2:20 AM

@Shog9 One thing that would help is making typo-questions just vanish. People get at least 60 rep from answering one of those, only encourages answering and not closing.

Shog9

but when you're paging through "debug my code" questions, the notion of having fewer questions to page through has an undeniable appeal

hichris123

Although that's but one bit of the problem.

user202362

looks like you need to work on your search functionality not the amount of questions

Shog9

needed: a novelty search operator

or much, much more specific tagging

but yes

just showing fewer boring questions by default would be a huge step up

hichris123

@Shog9 If only there was a project to do just that...

253

Q: Let’s improve our site navigation

A Release Candidate has been announced A.k.a. the 2015 Questions to Answer Refactoring Konversion (QuARK) A.k.a. the great cheese move of 2015. TL:DR; we are looking to change the navigation of the question lists on the site. We are not looking to remove any functionality or break any ex...

... it's been over a year now...

Shog9

2:23 AM

yeah, because it's hard

hichris123

@Shog9 Hard or no one is working on it?

I haven't seen a bug fix in several months.

Shog9

little bitta column a little bitta column b

Hopefully Docs and Teams and Stories and such get to some sort of a milestone soon

hichris123

Well, if no one is working on it... you can't really get anything done...

Shog9

you can't get anyone working on it unless there's an end in sight either

and... sooner or later, you gotta face up to the idea that showing folks more interesting questions means not showing folks a heck of a lot of questions

so, that's gotta be digestible

hichris123

People were perfectly fine working on it until the "great new projects" were introduced.

Shog9

2:25 AM

you say that, but it's not exactly true

I mean, the goals are good, and I think the foundation was good

but I guarantee you, if what you can use today was turned on for everyone... There'd be blood.

hichris123

Yeah, there's a lot to fix with it.

I'm saying that as a new nav user.

But it doesn't help if no one is working on it.

Shog9

hey, I've used it for months, I like it, but it's not a solution yet

And here's the thing, right?

Gotta have a clear goal

"get questions answered" ain't quite enough

if those answers don't get upvotes, don't get views, don't actually go on to be useful

hichris123

No kidding. When things like your browser's back button are broken... there's a lot of work yet to do.

Shog9

I mean, long tail and all that, can't hit it out of the park every time

But we got folks who are... Pretty good at answering.

hichris123

@Shog9 Well, okay, when was the last time new nav was actually discussed in a meeting for an extended period of time?

Shog9

2:28 AM

And if they're struggling to find interesting stuff to answer, that doesn't bode well for anyone else.

@hichris123 two months ago?

I'm not in every meeting, so many not that long

Last I heard of it was back about then though.

hichris123

And I wonder why it's not being changed...

Shog9

:shrug:

Like I said, needs a solid goal

SO's views aren't exactly brilliant, but they seem to have worked well enough for a shocking number of people for a shockingly long period of time now

hichris123

You don't get to a goal without discussion.

Shog9

So, if you're gonna move everyone's cheese, you gotta beat that by a mile, not an inch

@hichris123 you don't get a goal with discussion unless you had one before the discussion. You might identify one, but if everyone comes into a discussion with different goals you're probably gonna leave that way too.

Remember your "blood & guts" thing from a while back?

hichris123

I guess, but it's not like all of a sudden The Perfect Idea will come to one of you and suddenly The Problem Is Solved!

Shog9

2:32 AM

@hichris123 hell no

but... I've noticed something

there's generally a sort of emergent consensus in groups

hichris123

@Shog9 I distinctly remember it.

Shog9

and sometimes, you get one person who sees it before it emerges, and if that person is in a place where they can wield a good bit of influence, they manage to look really good

But mostly, everyone sorta tries to pretend that nothing's going on until they can't ignore it anymore, and then... Reluctantly... Agrees that X needs to be done.

And until then, if you propose X, you're just trying to ruin this good thing we got going.

So, the blood and guts... The thing that drives Stack Overflow... What do you think we're talking about there?

hichris123

Obviously something...

Shog9

Getting answers to programming questions?
Building a library of knowledge?
Helping people learn?
Spreading The Gospel?
Having fun?

hichris123

Isn't it pretty much all of those and more? (except for maybe spreading The Gospel...)

user202362

2:36 AM

Maybe create a sub-section: homework questions - answer those questions for a fee paid to the answerer's account? :p

user202362

answer + tutoring ...

user202362

side business for SO!

Shog9

@hichris123 yeah, sure.

user202362

question gets answered, askers knowledge improved and people who answer them get paid.

Shog9

Ever throw four balls with a dog near you?

Dog chases all of them, gets none of them.

user202362

2:37 AM

worse come to worse, there will be less homework questions on SO

Aaron Hall

Default front page like Reddit then? HNQ -> HSiteQ?

hichris123

@Shog9 But this is a company of several hundred we're talking about. Hopefully multiple goals can be accomplished.

Shog9

By who?

Someone's still gotta have a goal.

not four goals, not infinite goals, not one impossibly vague goal...

One, specific, goal.

When SO launched, it was "let folks answer programming questions in an environment that's less shitty than Experts Exchange"

possibly expressed a bit more flowery, but... That was the goal.

hichris123

Unless you consider "making the world a better place" a goal, there seem to be multiple directions even with the new projects.

Shog9

So if you want a goal here now, "let folks answer programming questions in an environment that's less shitty than Stack Overflow" wouldn't be a bad one.

user202362

2:41 AM

Don't mind me asking, why does stack overflow decide to take on linkedin instead of elance or freelancer?

Shog9

@Telkitty are they somehow worse and more pervasive than linkedin? I wasn't aware.

user202362

linkedin is more for full time placement, the others were more about freelancing jobs

Shog9

so, no.

user202362

but stack overflow can be either right?

Shog9

@hichris123 sure. There are folks working on Jobs, there are folks working on Docs, there are folks working on Teams... And they each have their own goals, and they mostly align in a general sense.

hichris123

2:43 AM

In the "make the world a better place" sense...

Shog9

"...for programmers", sure

hichris123

(and I do note the lack of Core folks... ;))

Honestly I have been wondering why SE has decided to focus on doing a bunch of things rather than doing one thing really well.

Shog9

aside: remember that "minus 100 points" thing? Folks always brush it off, but damn if it ain't a good thing to keep in mind. Every feature, every little enhancement, every little rule that makes total sense but adds a tiny bit of complexity... That never dies. That never stops costing.

I can't even remember how all this stuff works anymore. I'll wager most devs can't remember, but they actually gotta keep it working.

I should be declining a lot, lot more stuff.

end aside.

Aaron Hall

information hiding and modularity

user202362

but programmers have specific problems, programmers start as newbies and newbies tend to ask newbish questions and those are the crap question you are complaining about ...

hichris123

2:46 AM

Yeah, the system is way more complicated than it should be.

Try explaining even reputation to someone...

Shog9

I mean, look at bluefeet's post from today.

Aaron Hall

what's that?

hichris123

24

Q: Fixing the disconnect between VLQ and Triage

tl;dr; When flagging questions as VLQ, we're inadvertently sending too much noise to the moderators to handle. Over the past year, the reviewers here on Stack Overflow have shown themselves able to accurately sift through the majority of these flags, but due to various assumptions, the system sti...

discussion flags low-quality-posts triage

Shog9

That's aiming to fix weird edge-cases in a system that was built mostly to fix weird edge cases in a system that was built to paper over deficiencies in a system that was built to allow normal users to assist moderators.

SIX YEARS AGO.

The temptation to throw it all out and start over is intense

But... That's kinda treating the folks who depend on it like crap too.

Ideally, you keep plugging away at it, hard and boring though it is, until it works without requiring every user to know 6 years of history and errata.

hichris123

Eh. Who really depends on /review?

Shog9

2:48 AM

without requiring a novel-long meta FAQ

@hichris123 the folks who just assume that when they flag something inappropriate it's gonna get removed?

hichris123

If you build something that works better that should still happen.

Shog9

sure, but the predicate there is that it's gotta actually work better

like, immediately

hichris123

And I think review has been failing at that function for years now...

Shog9

or nearly so

hichris123

(definitely with the CV queue, less so with LQP)

Shog9

2:50 AM

Were you around in 2011?

hichris123

No, I think you know that.

Shog9

I have trouble remembering all this stuff anymore

hichris123

I joined right around the time the New Close Reasons came out.

so ~July 2013

Shog9

Anyway, two moderator elections, first review system, beefed up 10k flag queue, and still "all hands on deck" because flags were piling up everywhere

"no time to read, delete everything"

user202362

user202362

2:52 AM

one of those awkward times

Shog9

"Indeed"

"quite, quite"

"very much so"

@hichris123 ok, so that was right when we took close flags out of the mod queues too

until then, mods had to not only handle most NAA flags, most VLQ flags, the heaping piles of Other flags, but endless waves of Close flags to boot.

It was... Not exactly scaling.

hichris123

That means there must've been several thousand active flags at any one time...

Aaron Hall

You need more moderators.

Shog9

159

Q: Stack Overflow is not yet a vast wasteland: a history of moderator tooling

Warning: this is long, rambling and extremely boring. I'm writing it because I tend to get a lot of questions regarding the rationale for changes to the moderator tooling on SO, and I'm hoping to have something to point to next time. If you already know all there is to know about this - or just d...

discussion review flags

Aaron Hall

Programmers/SESE wants more too.

Shog9

2:55 AM

@AaronHall well, that's probably true... But it ain't a solution.

it's not like we got a thousand flags to clear today and then we're golden.

There's another couple thousand tomorrow

and the next day

and the next...

user202362

How about creating a tutorial side business - all those homework questions will be referring to the tutoring section and deleted from the main page?

Shog9

Docs

hichris123

> On Stack Overflow, we close or delete questions that can't be answered straight away - it's not very sociable, but it scales wonderfully by effectively enabling a vast, human-powered computational grid.

Scales... wonderfully?

Shog9

@hichris123 as opposed to the alternative

hichris123

Okay, fair enough.

Aaron Hall

2:58 AM

Use my suggestion to close crap quicker.

Shog9

@AaronHall -1 == close?

that'd actually reduce the number of people involved

hichris123

@AaronHall But closing doesn't cut it. For every person who asks a question you have several more right behind them.

Shog9

-1 + 4 votes still == 5 people

Aaron Hall

Score     Close Votes required to Close/Put on Hold
  0       5
 -1       5
 -2       4
 -3       4
 -4       3
 -5       3
 -6       2
 -7       2
 -8       2
 -9       2

Shog9

Might as well just reduce votes required to 3

Aaron Hall

2:59 AM

Well do it.

hichris123

That... seems like you'd lose a lot of interesting stuff.

Aaron Hall

Simpler implementation there.

Shog9

probably because we would

Aaron Hall

interesting answers?

hichris123

There's problems on both sides: a) people post poor questions -> don't get closed, b) people post interesting questions but people see them as skirting the rules -> get closed.

Shog9

3:00 AM

I mean, that's the issue with closing, right? Close voting, I mean. The goal is to introduce resistance for the sake of controversial questions, not to enable speedy removal of crap.

Aaron Hall

Then stop closing them to answers, and just let them be voted on for deletion.

user202362

Also, questions are questions. I don't know about you, but when I was a newblet, I asked a lot of stupid questions.

Shog9

closing is infinitely more useful for those Hot questions Progse likes to complain about than for the waves of boring questions on SO

user202362

if this site is designed to help programmers, it should cater for people of all sorts of levels and experience.

Shog9

and of course, you kinda want some resistance then

Aaron Hall

3:03 AM

You have questions, you get answers to the question. That's a directed acyclic graph, not a metcalf law situation.

Shog9

sure, as long as you don't need discussion

Aaron Hall

And you don't. You move "discussion" to chat.

Where it can be safely ignored.

user202362

I don't know about you, but I don't feel like to have discussion with a stranger in a chatroom for 2 people

user202362

I don't know how many people are into that

hichris123

Well, considering you need 15 rep to chat, that cuts down the number of people who even can anyway.

Aaron Hall

3:06 AM

Well it's what we do, more or less. Seems like a lot of posters everytime I see one.

hichris123

@AaronHall How many people actually talk in the chatroom once the comments have been moved to chat though?

Aaron Hall

Who cares, that's where it goes. Problem solved.

hichris123

"Out of sight, out of mind"? Not... exactly...

Aaron Hall

Once you stop caring so darn much, you can stop wearing your hands out with all the wringing.

Here's the thing, Spolsky and Atwood set the site in motion. No one wants to change what seems to be working. I don't know that you have to change it. But if you want to make marginal improvements, I think I've done my best to try to offer a local optimization.

hichris123

It all depends on how the conversation goes. Usually on sites like TWP the conversation doesn't even really need to be preserved. On other sites, they proactively move any comment chain that might lead to extended conversation to chat... doesn't make too much sense, does it?

Aaron Hall

3:13 AM

use some unused signal, and give more bandwidth to moderating users.

As for moderators, make more of them. Not me of course. I'm not that ambitious.

Aaron Hall

3:26 AM

Oh yeah, how about putting on-topic and off-topic criteria where someone in the middle of asking a question can't miss it?

well, bedtime. Good night!

user202362

bjb568

3:51 AM

user202362

when if your flight to taiwan?

bjb568

4:24 AM

Tomorrow at 17 PST.

Quill

I just read the last few hours of chat transcript and I gotta say... it felt less like a conversation and more like a CoGro musing with a sprinkle of hichris

Still good to read, I suppose

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6:22 AM

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user315433

6:47 AM

@hichris123 20

user315433

@Quill Better to read than the dozen of posts that followed.

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rene

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TIPS

10:02 AM

How admins see the users

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Shadow Wizard

@hichris123 15 is to flag

TIPS

@hichris123 *20

Shadow Wizard

15: flag
20: chat
50: comment
100: create chat room
200: veteran
∞: Jon Skeet

TIPS

@ShadowWizard How can you define Jon Skeet? :o

Shadow Wizard

@TIPS I can't, hence infinity :D

@TIPS no admins in SE, only devs, CM's, VP's, and one Shog.

TIPS

10:48 AM

@ShadowWizard *janitor

Shadow Wizard

@TIPS not anyone who deals with crap is a janitor

TIPS

@ShadowWizard crapophile, then

Shadow Wizard

blech

TIPS

chelb

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11:04 AM

@Quill Isn't this how Tavern looks like when active?

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Quill

11:23 AM

@TIPS It's usually more like Comedy Club on the Meta

Graham Perrin

11:38 AM

"… Monday 12 September 2016, Symantec will be discontinuing the service currently located at: pip.verisignlabs.com …"

Verisign is still amongst the OpenID providers that are prominent when adding a new login

What's the best way to arrange/suggest demotion of that option?

rene

11:51 AM

@GrahamPerrin Post on meta.se

Quill

in Language Learning on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 days ago, by Flimzy

I've just about given up hope on this site. How is it that questions like these are still open after days? We have practically zero site participation :(

Site participation has dropped down far, potential moderators are losing optimism

and now someone's asking for a moderator questionnaire... this isn't an election

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Graham Perrin

12:31 PM

@rene thanks, does this appear OK to you?

0

Q: Verisign Labs Personal Identity Portal (PIP) beta: Symantec will discontinue the service on Monday 2016-09-12

In the Stack Exchange routine to add a new login, the Verisign option is prominent. If (as some users have observed) the Personal Identity Portal service will be discontinued in less than four months, then: Stack Exchange should cease promotion of the Verisign option. Thanks Here, with...

feature-request openid

rene

@GrahamPerrin Not sure if I would have tagged it Feature request and I would ask a question like: Should we start warn users up-front or just remove the service when it gets discontinued?

Quill

I cleaned it up and balanced out the upvote

Graham Perrin

@rene someone has already edited the question :)

Quill

@GrahamPerrin it still has a downvote, but now it has an upvote to balance it

Graham Perrin

@Quill thanks, maybe edit again to include keywords such as Symantec

rene

12:37 PM

How about the tag @Quill? is it a feature request? It is more like an unfeature-request

Graham Perrin

... uh, weird, that word is there but my browser didn't find it. sorry

Quill

I just cleaned up the content, feel free improve it yourselves guys :)

SmokeDetector

1:16 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Flickering and 2D graphic errors in DX11 mode in fullscreen on AMD HD 5970 by henrytrinh on superuser.com …

user202362

2:24 PM

user202362

does it matter that anyone can monitor and log what I do online if all I do is chatting in some public room?

ArtOfCode

3:53 PM

@Telkitty they can probably also steal your login cookie, if they try hard enough.

hichris123

Eeeek someone can steal your Stack Exchange login cookie.

tchrist

Cat Tells Off Other Cat

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TIPS

4:33 PM

bjb568

@Telkitty insecure is always bad

SmokeDetector

4:53 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: The thing contains no limited fixings Money by maanali on arduino.stackexchange.com …

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in body: • Which sentence is best suited for the blank? by niue on ell.stackexchange.com (@ShadowWizard) …

rene

5:26 PM

sd f

SmokeDetector

6:00 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: How does one "get rekt"? by Jdawg on english.stackexchange.com …

SmokeDetector

7:39 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: What happens if I invest candy with Baron? by Tommy on gaming.stackexchange.com …

hichris123

10:58 PM

leadership 101 https://t.co/JMlsfPXxlo

Tweeted by codinghorror on May 27, 2016 at 10:55 PM

bjb568

11:23 PM

Got to the airport 3h early. Plane is 1/2h late. Boredom ensues.

SmokeDetector

11:43 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Health, Fitness, Bodybuilding, Volcano, Force Factor by choot palish on drupal.stackexchange.com …

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