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user202362

12:54 AM

2:05 AM

For an idea: we currently have 253,952 sockets open (at our slowest part of the day). I’ll look tomorrow and see what peak looks like.

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on November 17, 2016 at 1:01 AM in reply to Nick_Craver

Haven't seen an update yet...

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user202362

3:25 AM

user202362

is this one really big cat or one really small fox ... or both?

user202362

3:44 AM

I am thinking of doing solo multi-day hikes in either Tasmania or New Zealand south island in January. But I haven't been doing much useful stuff lately so my ego is deflating.

GrenadesPlus

7:56 AM

o/

Derpy

9:35 AM

room is empty room is lonely

All smokey and no jokes makes Derpy a dull pony
All smokey and no jokes makes Derpy a dull pony
All smokey and no jokes makes Derpy a dull pony
All smokey and no jokes makes Derpy a dull pony
All smokey and no jokes makes Derpy a dull pony
All smokey and no jokes makes Derpy a dull pony

Bart

o/

GrenadesPlus

o/

Bart

10:05 AM

It really is Friday. Not even noon and I'm already sleepy

GrenadesPlus

10:16 AM

lol

Derpy

10:31 AM

I think I understand why Microsoft's ILMerge was never remade into something more than a research project

Don't think there is any way using it could be legal in most of real world scenarios.

Unless you are just merging YOUR libraries, in which case you could probably use something else in the first place

GrenadesPlus

My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic Season 2 Opening Theme Song

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GrenadesPlus

11:06 AM

lol it got deleted

Nov 9 at 23:59, by zaq

Leonard Cohen - The Future

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hichris123

11:37 AM

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SmokeDetector

12:05 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: Why Doctor Recommed Nutrapal Pro? by michaelcalvin on superuser.com

user202362

12:26 PM

user202362

1:20 PM

camping in the middle of no where near the river tomorrow night, from experience that means no internet access because too low to get any signals ...

user202362

so maybe I shouldn't take 2 phones and a tablet with me

Derpy

2:21 PM

Boredom level overflow.

Enabling Cupido mode.

Searching targets....

Calculating devious plot....

Mission found:

get @Telkitty to marry @ProgramFOX

seems appropriate.

foxes should go together.

Magisch

I have no idea what anyone's genders are in this room

This is weirdly anonymous yet familiar

tchrist

2:41 PM

@Magisch You've misspelt androgynous, haven’t you?

user315433

4:34 PM

Samuel Liew took the 3rd spot from deceze... Interesting how the long tail of voters turned out to be significantly different from the early voters.

rene

4:44 PM

@Telkitty No, you shouldn't. Camping is meant to be back to basics. Our parents-parents also survived without phones, so you can assume one night without being online should be doable ...

On all other days this month when I drove home from work, it turned out to become a record traffic jam, I'm leaving now for home. If you don't hear back from me for awhile you know what happened....

Aaron Hall

hmmm...

SmokeDetector

5:07 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Sign multiple domains with single Domain Key (dk-filter) by akash on serverfault.com

Magisch

5:23 PM

to chip in there, if you're as connected as a software developer is on average, it's really great to drop the phone and net for a week or two

Aaron Hall

5:48 PM

Moderators get vacation time too, right?

I'm floor warden, someone said I get 2 extra weeks of vacation for it, but my boss never mentioned it. But they work for the building, not my firm, so what do they know?

Makes mental note to procrastinate on warden training

user315433

Yes, you can take a vacation by setting your moderator status as inactive for a period of time.

Aaron Hall

All I know is I'm supposed to make sure everyone gets off the floor in an emergency.

user315433

By U.S. standards, 2 extra weeks of vacation sounds unlikely. More likely it's 2 extra hours of vacation.

S.L. Barth

6:21 PM

@AaronHall Sounds like good practice for becoming a Stack Overflow moderator :-)

Seeing emergencies and kicking people out.

Magisch

@AaronHall To be honest with you (now that I'm basicly primaried out I can say it without sounding like self serving) I would really like to vote for you, I think you're qualified and all, but you have more stuff on your plate then any 3 members combined

You got so much stuff in real life it feels like you'll hardly have the time

S.L. Barth

It's a pity you got primaried out, @Magisch.

Magisch

@S.L.Barth ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

S.L. Barth

Yeah, not much to be done about it. FWIW, I voted for you, and you were one of the people I'd like to see as a moderator.

Magisch

Maybe in a couple years

I'm 22, I'm in no hurry

S.L. Barth

6:31 PM

Meanwhile build up more rep and make some friends.

Magisch

I think rep was the #1 problem

Maybe that and flags/votes but the latter comes very organically

Alexis King

gotta get them imaginary internet points

Magisch

I spend most of my work day on here anyways for one reason or another

Between SE and manuals, I hardly have to leave this place to do my work

S.L. Barth

Like it or hate it, when you're a programmer you always end up on Stack Overflow....

Magisch

I like it. This site feels ... clean and generally constructive

Everything gets an air of people not deliberately being unconstructive

It's so refreshing and addicting after 10+ years in various online communities that only had one thing in common and that was drama and needless emotion over everything

S.L. Barth

6:35 PM

You're sure you're active on MSO? :-P

Magisch

@S.L.Barth You have no idea how far a cry even the worst stuff on MSO is compared to say minecraftforum.net

S.L. Barth

I believe it.

Moderation can truly make or break a site.

Magisch

The dark side of SE is still 100x less annoying and nerve wracking then daily business on most other sites

S.L. Barth

I tried to avoid the US elections on my social media, because I don't get to vote anyway. My media feed, however, was full of hate - from both camps.

Magisch

It's gotten to a point where sometimes I really can't summon the energy to engage on more then surface level on say reddit anymore. Because I see the moderation on there and I'm like "This is such dog**** compared to SO, what an infinite waste of my time"

S.L. Barth

6:41 PM

Yup. Those are a few things I like about SO.

The "be nice" policy (which is actually the "don't be a jerk" policy) is pursued indiscriminately.

And if you're going to make a point in a post, you must back it up with verifiable facts.

.....if we enforced that on other media, some of them wouldn't even survive....

I mean, imagine, verifiable facts instead of re-hashing memes.... you'd actually have to, like, think! :-S

SmokeDetector

7:20 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Problema com p:dataTable, ajax, ui:include by Paulo Severo on pt.stackoverflow.com

tchrist

@SmokeDetector why?

SmokeDetector

@tchrist Body - Position 91-96: testo

tchrist

Your what hurts?

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@tchrist That message is not a report.

tchrist

Well figure it out then.

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

7:22 PM

@tchrist Registered question as false positive.

user315433

-2

A: Recover cleared passwords from your Google account

my name is Asif and I am from shahabad I reading in class 12 th .my hobby is to become a teacher

user315433

Apparently, SE sites can double up as personal ads.

user315433

What's the deal with "Candy" watermark on the photo?

S.L. Barth

...ask him before the post gets deleted....

Aaron Hall

???

S.L. Barth

7:34 PM

@AaronHall It's just somebody who posted their personal ad on the wrong site. It happens.

rene

@zaq wasn't the votes table in SEDE to be sanitized for deleted posts? if yes, why does this return rows: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/580449

user315433

@rene No, apparently it always included votes on deleted posts.

user315433

@NormalHuman: I was a bit surprised that votes for deleted posts existed, but I don't think they were added as a part of this change. From what I can tell looking at the revision history, votes on deleted post have been available since the beginning. (Don't hold me to that, however. I'm a bit rusty reading other people's code. ;) — Jon Ericson ♦ Sep 16 '15 at 17:37

rene

ah, OK

user315433

I think the idea is that the votes on deleted posts aren't themselves deleted: they still affect the post score, count toward badges and public vote statistics. A deleted vote is one that's nullified in some way, and those aren't included in the dump.

Aaron Hall

7:41 PM

general election begins in 19 minutes, are you ready?

rene

@AaronHall No, I'm never ready ...

@zaq yeah, that make sense. I didn't notice it earlier I guess because I tend to join with the posts table. And the queries that sum and count the deleted posts data goes unnoticed

user202362

yes, totally ready - I have almost packed up & ready to go ... heading to the limited inland space where there is no internet

rene

We'll send a search party if you're not back on monday

user202362

7:57 PM

I hope the place is not infested by snakes

S.L. Barth

@Telkitty So now you're - Indiana Telkitty. "Why did it have to be snakes?" :-)

Anyway, have fun and take care!

user202362

I heard stories of snake stalking people near the river

S.L. Barth

@Telkitty Poisonous snakes?

user202362

I assume

Aaron Hall

And we're off!

user202362

8:03 PM

I mean it sounds like fairytale but it's by someone in the same bushwalking group who I went on bushwalking with a few times.

S.L. Barth

So you've got to look out, I suppose. Better safe than sorry.

Aaron Hall

So I won't know anything until the voting period is up, now, will I?

Andy

Correct

So...go enjoy the weekend :)

Magisch

I voted :)

Aaron Hall

I could enjoy it more if I could obsessively update tallies.

S.L. Barth

8:07 PM

@AaronHall This could be your last quiet weekend - enjoy it while it lasts!

Andy

@AaronHall Assume everything is at 0 and then at the last second on Monday everyone votes. They only get 1 second, and the winner is announced after that second.

user315433

@AaronHall You can obsessively update the count of Constituent badges. (Which will also disprove the above assumption)

Aaron Hall

:)

stackoverflow.com/help/badges/1974/constituent

Magisch

8:23 PM

I got mine :)

Aaron Hall

1320 ish people have voted in this election, at 60 per badge page...

Magisch

there is only one candidate in there that I would consider to be grossly unqualified so

S.L. Barth

8:36 PM

@Magisch Yep.. same here. We're probably thinking of the same candidate.

user315433

For the record, the badge count before this election was 96149. (This count goes down between elections, due to user deletion).

user315433

Election trend. Note that the intervals on the horizontal axis are not constant time intervals.

user315433

Hm, maybe they should be, so that concavity/convexity can be correctly determined.

user315433

Aaron Hall

8:48 PM

Good call

user315433

The chronologically correct version. The number of eligible voters grows slightly faster than linear, the rest have sublinear growth.

user315433

So, what model should we use to predict the statistics of election #8? Looks like power law should work, but the trend in earlier elections was different. Maybe fit a power function ax^b to three most recent data points (5,6,7).

Aaron Hall

I think we're seeing some attrition in the active users.

Magisch

@AaronHall There's always attrition, isn't there?

user315433

For power law to make sense, the horizontal axis should have a canonical zero mark... I guess July 31, 2008 is a sensible zero mark for SO-related things.

Aaron Hall

8:56 PM

I wonder if it indicates that there is a limiting force on the number of active users the site can support, based on its current model.

user315433

Isn't it odd that the Main Phase of election takes 5 days, and half of that falls on a weekend? A pre-holiday weekend, too.

S.L. Barth

@zaq Well it does make sense to have the election before the holidays..

user315433

@AaronHall So, using logistic growth model for the last three curve? Possible.

user315433

Here the holiday already started, since we get the whole week off. As a result, I can't give my students a project "predict SO election turnout". :(

user315433

Even if next week wasn't off, the weekend still interferes.

user315433

8:59 PM

Primary takes the prime voting time of the week, and the Main phase is shoved off to a weekend. Boo.

S.L. Barth

@zaq That's too bad. It would be a nice thing to use for sampling realtime data.

@zaq That does seem to be a little weird yes....

Magisch

@AaronHall It makes sense. There are several non scaling points that make the site harder to follow

like the frontpage

user315433

Sampling isn't hard here, it's the model choice and deciding whether there was a phase change between 1-4 and 5-7 elections...

Aaron Hall

Did they promote it identically?

I think they may have.

user315433

The season seems to matter; November elections are not as well attended.

user315433

9:09 PM

It's hard to fit something sensible to the vote count: 4970, 4994, 4426, 6574, 21571, 27019, 27321...

user315433

Even if we disregard 1-4 as ancient history, the last three numbers don't agree between themselves on what the trend is.

user315433

Okay, my prediction is: there will be 30837 voters this time. (Logarithmic fit to the last three points). Probably an overestimate.

user315433

Shipped: a new idea for something big we could do @StackOverflow - just circulated initial doc internally. Very nervous about the reception.

Tweeted by OdedCoster on November 18, 2016 at 6:27 PM

user315433

Let me guess: round userpics?!

rene

@zaq awesome ...

Shadow Wizard

9:36 PM

Votes cast! :D

user315433

You are missing one Constituent badge...

user315433

How many users have collected all 8?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in answer: Raspberry Pi 3 Windows IoT Core by Jonathan M on raspberrypi.stackexchange.com

Shadow Wizard

@zaq yeah, I'm not that active on SO, guess one time I was on a rather big "off" wave.

user315433

Your first badge, awarded June 2012, was retroactive for the Fall 2011 election. You haven't participated in Spring 2011.

Shadow Wizard

9:41 PM

@zaq oh, so I did vote in all other elections? Cool, wasn't sure about that.

user315433

Each badge has a link to the specific election it is for.

Shadow Wizard

(back in 2011 I was too new, probably, didn't feel right to vote or maybe wasn't even aware of this whole thing.)

user315433

There are 121 users who voted in all of the first 7 SO elections.

Shadow Wizard

@zaq how can you tell so easily? You got some script?

121 is not much

user315433

Users with most badges of a certain name.

user315433

9:44 PM

Enter Constituent.

Shadow Wizard

huh, nice!

user315433

Many of those 121 names are very familiar.

Shadow Wizard

@zaq well, makes sense...

Wonder if Jon Skeet is among them?

Nope. Only Jon is Jonathan Leffler

user315433

Five of them are SE employees: Adam Lear, animuson, Oded, Pops, Tim Post.

user315433

Shog is conspicuously missing.

Shadow Wizard

9:49 PM

@zaq yup, but none from SE management.

(unless Tim Post is considered management?)

user315433

He kind of is, nowadays.

user315433

Shog didn't vote in 2013

Shadow Wizard

@zaq maybe he's voting from a sock account... ;)

user315433

Jon Skeet voted only once, in Fall 2011. Tsk, tsk.

Shadow Wizard

I wonder if there are users who vote more then once using sock accounts.... probably the worst thing one can do.

user315433

9:52 PM

Jeff stopped voting after 2014. And Joel never voted in SO elections.

Shadow Wizard

@zaq Joel probably never cared for those things... Jeff did, but after leaving the company, can't blame him for losing interest.

What about you, @zaq?

user315433

I'm kind of new around here. Voted in 6,7,8.

Shadow Wizard

@zaq new? hmm... for some reason I thought Normal was a user for years... maybe just because you were so active. :)

user315433

The user formerly known as Normal was created (on Math) on May 2, 2014. And didn't do anything on SO for a long time.

user315433

2 years ago today I went from "refugee" to "citizen" but honestly the best part was celebrating with my work family. https://t.co/Bk834AAiEl

Tweeted by jc4p on November 18, 2016 at 9:41 PM

user315433

9:59 PM

Citizens can still go to an internment camp, though...

Shadow Wizard

@zaq so this is what he's doing... explains the total lack of response on android app related bugs.

user315433

The cookies/flag thing was 2 years ago, doubt he'd be in the same mood today.

user315433

In any case, the app development is probably over. Don't know what their expectation was, but it probably hasn't happened.

Shadow Wizard

@zaq you mean amount of downloads? The average- overall quality might explain it. It works, but nothing more.

Something basic as revisions... nada. Seeing list of questions user posted? nope. And the iOS app does have those things, that's the sad part. (sad for android users)

And with that, going to watch misery and sadness in GoT season 6. Cya! :D

user315433

Quantcast says (network-wide): desktop web 60.9%, mobile web 39.1%, apps 0.1%. Which suggests it's rounded up to 0.1%.

user315433

11:03 PM

Happy already?

user315433

Pet Shop Boys - Lyrics - Happiness is an option

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user315433

> like the Russians wondering why // we're born under a blue sky // but die in a dark forest

user315433

I don't remember ever wondering that...

Shog9

Have you died in a dark forest often then?

jcolebrand

@Shog9 I aim for it at least three times a week

user315433

11:09 PM

Possibly, some of my accounts have...

user315433

Any hints about Oded's Big Idea for SO?

Shog9

Code Project

user315433

Like, another button in top nav "learn to code"?

user315433

ru.SO had a kind of posts that weren't Q&A but were posted in the same stream. What were they called, again?...

user315433

"исследование", i.e., "a study" or "a survey". Basically, bloglike articles.

user315433

11:14 PM

Which is something Code Project has too.

user315433

My memory is hazy on this point, but now I think ru.SO "studies" had their own topnav button, they were not in the stream of Q&A.

hichris123

11:32 PM

@roryalsop hope so! I am excite... hoping for good reception internally, and later on with Meta...

Tweeted by OdedCoster on November 18, 2016 at 7:28 PM in reply to roryalsop

Since when does Meta not have pitchforks?

Shog9

Usually when folks propose useful ideas to address well-documented problems and honestly want feedback.

hichris123

... yeah, even then...

user315433

What's the relevant well documented problem?

Shog9

hey, you wanted hints, not revelations...

user315433

Okay, my working hypothesis is that the problem is incessant duplication of low level questions and the solution is article-type content against which questions may be closed (dup-marked)

user315433

11:49 PM

Documentation ostensibly meant to address that, too. But it lacks narrative. It's become a collection of snippets. No progression from basic to advanced.

user315433

Unrelated: out of my blog posts written in 2016, the one getting most views is "string matching in Google Docs/Sheets"

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