Tavern on the Meta

2:08 PM

Last chance to commit to Hardware Recs before it launches (hopefully?) today.

@Undo pretty sure they changed how that works a bit a while back. I think in a few days when in private beta you can still join if you go through the Area 51 link for the site.

Undo

@PeterJ I know, but you don't get A51 rep for following through on a commitment

Amelia

@PeterJ yup; you can still click the visit link in area51 to join

Undo

2:32 PM

This new 25k privilege is making me want to answer questions again

Andy

@Undo, hit a plateau at 10K?

Undo

@Andy On SO I'm far enough away that it's not tempting. But meta is a different story.

Undo, Northwest USA

23.2k 11 57 151

Andy

Oh, yeah, you can get to 25K quickly enough.

How many socks do you have? ;)

Undo

Ummm... smokey, blaze, and probably some other ones that got lost in the wash

Heh, I need to average a fifth of an upvote on my next 109 [discussion] answers. Might be doable.

Andy

Now, don't work to hard on those. We don't want you to get hurt

Bart

2:37 PM

@AMUnihedron and another one as well. Flagged for a mod.

@Undo if you get too many, let me know. I'l gladly downvote in compensation.

Undo

I'll be sure to let you know :P

Bart

Flag pls: stackoverflow.com/questions/32458821/how-to-get-value-of-object/…

S.L. Barth

@Bart It's gone. Looks like this user was upset after getting downvotes on their earlier, serious answer.

Bart

Yup

S.L. Barth

2:57 PM

!!/report security.stackexchange.com/a/99802/5405

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[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: How can I get my changes back after clicking "Undo pending changes..." in Visual Studio 2013 and TFS by Andrés Macías on stackoverflow.com

S.L. Barth

@SmokeDetector Do we have consensus on translating things like this?

Bart

Yup. Don't

S.L. Barth

I seem to recall some Meta discussion about it, but not sure what it was.

@Bart Ok.

tchrist

@Bart Citation?

S.L. Barth

3:04 PM

Ah, found it. In the MSO FAQ. meta.stackoverflow.com/a/297680/812149

> Please do not translate posts for the OP. They need to be able to respond to feedback, and if they cannot themselves translate the post we cannot be certain that they can understand any feedback provided (by comments, answers, or Help Center content).

Bart

@tchrist "Yup. Don't - Bart"

S.L. Barth

I should add that to my MSO faq-proposed for editing.

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3:16 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in body: Remote Logging into a site with GET by Vincent Valentine on stackoverflow.com

S.L. Barth

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@S.L.Barth Body - Position 236-252: couchsurfing.com

S.L. Barth

Why is that in the blacklist? I thought that was a respectable site?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in body: if you are feeling some signs like laziness? by seltopjenet on meta.stackexchange.com

PeterJ

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/questions/266016/…

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3:27 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: We offer a limited lifetime warranty by leenaroy on meta.stackexchange.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Smokey you seem to have grown old.

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[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Frequent hitching and stuttering in Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain: what causes this? by BRAVOKONAMI on gaming.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HAVING THE RECORDS ON THE SAME ROW INSTEAD OF 2 ROWS by owaba1912 on stackoverflow.com

SPArchaeologist

3:48 PM

The Unsung Hero badge is awarded as a consolation prize for getting many 0 vote accepted answers.

I know that this is impossible to do, but I would love to see SharePoint stats for 0 score never accepted answers that actually resolved the asker problem.

We may have an academy record there ^_^

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[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Service Mode "Menu not Exist" Android 4.1.2 by Nerijus on android.stackexchange.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@SPArchaeologist Bluntly speaking, here's someone to talk to:

rene, Netherlands

16.6k 3 40 113

support discussion data-explorer feature-request bug review status-completed

-9

Q: Has it always been stackoverflo,ooo,ooow?

Has the logo for Stackoverflow always been "stackoverflo,ooo,ooow"? They did change that right? I'm not going crazy i hope.

discussion

Sheesh.

bjb568

My editing partner in English only made one edit mark on the paper. It changed "a confused…" to "an confused…".

Well, he also attempted to correct the prompt…

Bart

... an confused ... really ...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@bjb568 Um.

bjb568

4:03 PM

I must also mention that this is no longer 1st grade…

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It must be 0.5th grade or something.

Bart

Just an confused student

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[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer: Racket enforce input types for function by asdfasdf on stackoverflow.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

asdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdf

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[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Caesar's Cipher Code by user5313726 on stackoverflow.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

4:08 PM

Looks like Won't when he comments as a downvote reason.

SPArchaeologist

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I was thinking something more like him, since knowing that an unaccepted answer with 0 votes actually resolved the problem the asker was experiencing requires clairvoyance powers I am not willing to display...

bjb568

Somebody left their essay in the library. It's an honors kid. "This quote from the play Hamlet shows that our circumstances are what we make of them and any dream someone has is relative to their personal situations and beliefs. A plethora of prose exemplifies this…"

They justified a wishy-washy belief with works of fiction!

People here are stupid.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yes I can tell that.

Bart

"A plethora of prose exemplifies ... " - TRIPLE FANCY WORD SCORE!!!

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4:30 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HOW COULD I EXPLAIN A TWO YEARS GAP by RAHUL KUMAR on workplace.stackexchange.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Do they shout at workplace? O.o

They're gonna get fired.

Undo

@SmokeDetector delete

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

-4

Q: GMM and Arellano-Bond instrument

Dear All, I have some problem with gmm estimation. I am using your GMM package. I would like to apply Arellano-Bond methodology in panel estimate. In my case library(gmm) result0_5<- gmm(Y ~ I_XV, ~Inst_XV, type=c("iterative"), vcov=c("HAC"), itermax = 20000) summary(result0_5) Y

discussion

Facepalm

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[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Porting SHA-256 library to Excel by Baldeen on stackoverflow.com

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5:08 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: STEAM WILL NOT UPDATE by user124362 on gaming.stackexchange.com

user259867

5:31 PM

Well, nobody said anything about my proposal in Charcoal HQ, so I'm reposting it here...

user259867

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 days ago, by Normal Human

An idea for consideration: stop reporting All-caps titles in the Tavern (keep them in site-specific rooms & HQ). Rationale:
1. Smokey sometimes dominates the Tavern to the point that non-spam conversations get suppressed.
2. All-caps titles are quickly edited; broadcasting them too widely sometimes creates conflicting edits.
3. They are not high priority anyway; as an indicator of spam, all-caps is utterly dispensable.

user259867

Pros / cons?

Undo

5:46 PM

@NormalHuman Sounds like a good idea

Looking through recent stuff caught by that filter, it seems to be not spam

Except the second one on metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/reason/2?page=3

I really need a way to deeplink to those

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[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Frequent hitching and stuttering in Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain: what causes this? by BRAVOKONAMI on gaming.stackexchange.com

user259867

Hmmm, that certificate report was helpful.

user259867

I wouldn't mind a cupcake right now...

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp-

Undo

I wouldn't mind area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/65287/… launching so I can quit obsessively refreshing the page :P

SmokeDetector

6:03 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: Contrato Dev Full Stack by Leandro on pt.stackoverflow.com

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6:22 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: SharePoint 2013 Site Mailbox address different from expectation by Roustabout on sharepoint.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in body: Not so simple horizontal center of DIV's by Alan on stackoverflow.com

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6:36 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: How do I move GarageBand to a new Mac? by urmum on apple.stackexchange.com

Undo

@SmokeDetector tpu-

SmokeDetector

6:57 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Android can't read iPhone recorded audio files by Hatim Yaaqba on stackoverflow.com

Undo

Owner deleted

rene

@Undo do you know if mods can see if an account is merged and if so can you help out ChrisW here

Undo

@rene I don't think I've ever even seen a merged account as a mod

rene

OK, I don't have access to mod-tools for obvious reasons and if you don't know I guess we have to wait ....

Bart

@Undo pick two accounts, merge them, report back.

Undo

7:03 PM

@Bart They don't even let us merge accounts anymore

Too dangerous

Bart

Dangit.

Undo

actually, even way back when I started we didn't have that option

Pretty sure that's public info

Bart

Okay, have two account holders run at each other at high speed and hope they merge

rene

and detect if a Joel particle formed?

Bart

Ah, the elusive god particle ...

rene

7:05 PM

check!

Bart

Btw @Undo, we seem to have an accelerator nearby, so feel free to send whoever you select over

Undo

That's quite the particle accelerator if it can take a whole account holder

Bart

Well, we may have to do so bit by bit, but it's for science

SmokeDetector

7:27 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating words in answer: What damage does a Halfling's Staff Sling deal? by saS on rpg.stackexchange.com

Undo

@SmokeDetector gone

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp-

user259867

24 minutes until SF and ELL elections end.

Undo

@NormalHuman I've got the election bot thing ready, but I might not be around then. We'll see.

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[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: How do young pilots in the USA accumulate 1500-hours to become a first officer? by mayaka on aviation.stackexchange.com

user259867

7:40 PM

@SmokeDetector tpu-spam

user259867

4

Q: Arabic Language will be closing on Monday, September 14

Last week, I wrote a bit of an S.O.S. call for Arabic SE. The call was for us to figure out a way to bail out this site, which is sinking slowly due to inactivity. I cited specifically the difficulty we're finding in putting together a moderator staff and the extremely low question volume Arabic ...

discussion featured

user259867

I try to keep track of public beta closures, and keep failing because they are rare. What was the last one?

user259867

Jul 14 at 23:38, by 1999

It has never happened that of two sites launched on the same day, both survived. Arabic and Portuguese were launched today. My bet is on Portuguese.

Feeds

Network Maintenance tomorrow night: http://stackstatus.net/post/128291132704/data-center-failover-september-3-2015

Tweeted by StackStatus on September 8, 2015 at 7:44 PM

tchrist

user259867

7:50 PM

@Feeds Why are you linking to Sep 3 post?

user259867

@tchrist Your screen resolution is too damn high.

2

tchrist

Just wanted to make sure you could read it. :)

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[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: SUBQUERY WITH SUM FUNCTION TO PULL IN MULTIPLE RECORDS by owaba1912 on stackoverflow.com

user259867

Mar 18 at 0:13, by Woodface

I think the last public beta shutdown was Libraries & Information Science, and that was June 2013.

user259867

Update: Arabic, September 2015.

user259867

7:55 PM

Although Arabic never got mods. I notice that SE takes this step seriously.

user259867

As a beta site, you are not out of the woods until mods have been appointed.

user259867

> This should not effect any primary services, only secondary services such as WebSockets. -- stackstatus.net/post/128654157154/router-maintenance-992015

user259867

Bots beware.

user259867

@Undo No bot report for SF...?

user259867

There was one for ELL:

user259867

8:04 PM

in 2015 ELL Moderator Election on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 3 mins ago, by ElectionBot

Unofficial results: Winners are J.R., Maulik V, and WendiKidd.

hichris123

in The Comms Room on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 5 mins ago, by ElectionBot

Unofficial results: Winners are EEAA, HBruijn, and womble.

user259867

Ah. Not the election room.

hichris123

I guessed 1/3.

EEAA was a shoo-in though.

user259867

17 hours ago, by Normal Human

Top 3 SF candidates by EDmin: EEAA, womble, TheCleaner.

user259867

My scientific method got 2/3.

SmokeDetector

8:13 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: What happens to the provisioner "shell-local" from packer when we run it on windows by idk on stackoverflow.com

rene

@NormalHuman since when is postswithdeleted part of the SEDE schema?

user259867

@rene @hichris123 was the first to find it, afaik.

rene

ah

user259867

I presume: since the last update.

user259867

Oh, this means there's an outdated meta post somewhere.

user259867

8:19 PM

And the list of features... though SEDE probably doesn't count for that.

hichris123

@rene I found it yesterday. Couldn't find any mention of it on chat/elsewhere...

Even Tim didn't know anything about it.

user259867

Maybe it's there by mistake, and we should download the whole thing before it disappears...

rene

that ^^

user259867

OTOH if it was a mistake, then the table wouldn't be censored the way it is, with nearly all fields removed for deleted posts.

user259867

Interesting that for non-deleted posts, everything is included: body, etc. Duplication of the Posts table.

Sam

8:31 PM

Man, I haven't been here for a while.

user259867

And whose fault is that?

user259867

Hardware Recommendations site is still in Memphis.

Sam

... and Bart's still on the starboard. lol

@ShadowWizard Been busy with the real world. :p

I'm working on increasing his accuracy before I release him back into the wild (again).

rene

8:47 PM

Anyone for a cv-pls unclear here

rene

8:58 PM

@NormalHuman I have updated the sede schema doc here with the PostWithDelete table

S.L. Barth

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

@S.L.Barth plz send teh coffee

S.L. Barth

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@S.L.Barth brews coffee for @S.L.Barth

S.L. Barth

Keep it for yourself Smokey... enjoy it.

user259867

9:32 PM

@rene Cool, thanks.

user259867

I guess one thing to look up would be deleted questions with most answers, but...

user259867

I'm not sure it's worth bringing them up again.

user259867

Don't know why they censored AnswerCount column, when it's recoverable from the information in the table itself...

user259867

There you go, anyway: Deleted questions with most answers

user259867

Topped by Great Programming Quotes at 684.

Shadow Wizard

9:42 PM

@Sam but... but... this is the real world! :D

Sam

Lol. :D

user259867

What's up with #3347190? The title slug does not appear in the URL.

user259867

Normally this means "spam/offensive", but it has 110 answers.

hichris123

> This question was marked as spam or offensive and is therefore not shown - you can see the revision history for details.

keyboardfire.com/cgi-bin/se-del-post-view.cgi?id=3347190

user259867

Hm. Something along the lines of "what is your biggest fear"

user259867

9:47 PM

> You guys really seem to think we sit around laughing maniacally and shrieking "FUN? On MY WEBSITE?!?" as we close all the questions that make you happy [...] We've just been through this on enough communities to know what happens if we let this stuff go, and would prefer it not happen to SO too. It's not a coincidence that the average rep of the closers is 3x the average rep of the reopeners; we've been through this before – Michael Mrozek Jul 28 '10 at 14:32

user259867

Nothing new in the exchange, except for the fact it's mid-2010 and not mid-2008.

Undo

10:14 PM

Still no HR beta

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[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: U.S. Bank ATM cards and credit card acceptance in Russia 2015, by guardian patch on travel.stackexchange.com

Undo

@SmokeDetector tpu-

(cc @hichris123)

I have no idea what's up with that

Like twenty close/reopen cycles

user259867

@Undo Ugh, that abbreviation. "Human Resources Stack Exchange"...

user259867

You'll need to come up with another one.

Undo

I'm not about to use HRecs, if that's what you're thinking :P

user259867

10:21 PM

HWR?

Undo

maybe

user259867

Maybe there is no site because designers can't figure out what to use for the icon.

user259867

Never, ever HR

Undo

There are some real gems in the answers to that question

user259867

Let's undelete!

Undo

10:24 PM

Oh darn why did that turn into a jpeg?

grmph

oh, it's ginourmical

meh, better jpeg than nothing

Undo

10:44 PM

0

Q: When should we overturn the owner's decision to delete their question?

Thumbing through recent undelete votes, I noticed a few cases like this: Where the user asking a question voluntarily deleted it, and a few people have voted to undelete the question. We are, of course, legally allowed to undelete it. The user irrevocably licensed the content to us. That's a...

discussion deleted-questions vote-to-undelete

durron597

10:56 PM

@Undo Can you put the 10k link for that?

user259867

@durron597 stackoverflow.com/questions/3347190

user259867

It's from my query: deleted questions with most answers.

durron597

@NormalHuman thanks

I'm sad that programming on a boat was perma-deleted.

hichris123

@Undo huh.

durron597

That's pretty useful.

Who in the software world do you admire the most? has 3 undelete votes.

user259867

11:09 PM

Yeah... I'm not sure keeping ParentId for deleted posts was a good move on SE's part.

durron597

Shog9

Wparentheses is less awkward @durron597

tchrist

I hope letting people get lists of deleted questions does not stir up trouble.

Shog9

Used to be possible then the db server got too overloaded. We'll see if that was a happy accident...

user259867

You mean we'd better download the entire table before the next SEDE update? Duly noted.

durron597

11:15 PM

@Shog9 Less awkward than what?

user259867

Than Yoda syntax, presumably.

durron597

@NormalHuman oh, right.

I was trying to figure out what "less awkward" had to do with loading messages.

user259867

Chat really should not be pointing to any message when one simply uses @name.

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user259867

sd tpu- ignore-

user259867

11:34 PM

Non-deleted questions with most deleted answers: the random list of books is way ahead of competition, with 432.

tchrist

My @#$

Oh good, mine isn't deleted. :)

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[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: Responsive Views-Slideshow Json Cycle working good in Chrome not in IE or mozilla by user51764 on drupal.stackexchange.com

tchrist

Two kept and fifty-six deleted on the editor-for-viewing-big-files question is quite the ratio.

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[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Oil leaks after oil change - shop says engine oil pan gasket needs to be replaced by Eme Uzoigwe on mechanics.stackexchange.com

user259867

@tchrist edited the query to add a column with the count of extant answers. Which is 1 for wiki-locked questions, of course.

tchrist

11:43 PM

Right. Thanks.

user259867

The editor question has one too many, I guess.

tchrist

23 and 49 for meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/289449

user259867

Is this a reprise of programming on a boat? Developing Software On-The-Go using a Windows Phone by Mikey Musch on windowsphone.stackexchange.com

user202362

11:58 PM

why do wildlife have no moral, stealing people's food/pet food?

jimsug

shrugs

Morals are a human invention?

tchrist

Yummy with butter and garlic.

It's kinda sad that we can no longer delete things that are dupe targets. Zalgo is truly immortal now, and will in the fullness of time draw infinitive dupes.

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