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user259867

Just divide the time estimate by 2, and it will be about accurate.

user259867

So, about 9 hours.

No No, that was to onebox the link

in Teenage Territory on Stack Overflow Chat, 2 mins ago, by Uniforms For Sale

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 8 secs ago, by Uniforms For Sale

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See?

4:10 PM

> This site is currently in read-only mode; we’ll return with full functionality soon.

read only mode?

Which site?

Well, predictions for the 10Mth question are off now...

MSE?

I'm in the middle of CVQ handling...

4:11 PM

OR SO?

@UniformsForSale SO

user259867

... which is before the Roomba runs. We might be lucky enough to pass 10M twice.

3

@ProgramFOX It just reached it...

NoOoOooOoo

@rene Why do I see "9,996,824" then?

Caching?

4:12 PM

Caching....

SO its back

No, its 26

user259867

The questions page is cached. As far as the total number of questions, API is more current.

ᔕᖺᘎᕊ

We are aware of the brief read-only banner and are looking into the trigger now.

Tweeted by StackStatus on August 19, 2015 at 4:14 PM

Ummmm

Stack Overflow is in read-only?

4:17 PM

Shouldn't have tweeted to ask

:(

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@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M ^^

Hides under table

LOL

@StackStatus Why did SO go down for a few minutes? Are you trying to avoid 10M questions?

Tweeted by EdwarrrrdYeung on August 19, 2015 at 4:13 PM

See the reply

Feeds

We are aware of the brief read-only banner and are looking into the trigger now.

Tweeted by StackStatus on August 19, 2015 at 4:14 PM

And you're late, Feeds

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@Feeds I beat you :P

1991 Soviet coup d'état attempt

4:20 PM

HHmmmmmm

Removes Unikitty from blog and goes to sleep

SO is read only again

And its up again

user259867

RT @diamondgeezer: On this day in history, approximately 0.275% of everything took place

Tweeted by alexwarren on August 19, 2015 at 4:17 PM

user259867

Add 10M questions to that figure.

user259867

Personally, I tend to associate this date with year 1991.

user259867

The 1991 Soviet coup d'état attempt, also known as the August Putsch or August Coup (Russian: Августовский путч Avgustovsky Putch), was a coup d'état attempt by a group of members of the Soviet Union's government to take control of the country from Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev. The coup leaders were hard-line members of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) who were opposed to Gorbachev's reform program and the new union treaty that he had negotiated which decentralised much of the central government's power to the republics. They were opposed, mainly in Moscow, by a short bu...

user259867

4:47 PM

Hey look, @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M got a shout-out from Shog himself.

user259867

> "This is my utopia. I came from hell some time ago in hope that my & my friends' handcuffs will keep it from burning" meta.stackexchange.com/questions/263833/… … -- Joshua Heyer at 9:35 AM - 19 Aug 2015 via Twitter

Whoa!

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PLEASE HELP! PYTHON PROGRAM FOR SCANNING PORTS 0 TO 1024 TAKES LONG TIME by Amay on stackoverflow.com

sd gone

user259867

I suppose we are using UTC for 10M countdown... then it's still unclear if it's going to be 2015-08-19 or 2015-08-20. The projections fall on borderline.

Q: Design-Independent Graduation is on for early September!

5:12 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: AS3 REAL-TIME MULTIPLAYER SCORE by BrMyAppsAD on stackoverflow.com

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This is a follow-up to an earlier discussion Feedback Requested: Design-Independent Graduation. Like the title implies, design-independent graduation will go into effect and become a regular practice the second week of September! This means all sites which are cleared for graduation going forwa...

@HDE226868 There's no list at this point, simply because we haven't made one yet (not because it's some big secret). We'll make announcements on site metas when they enter the process. — abby hairboat ♦ 11 mins ago

I still wonder why they're really clumsy in making lists.

user259867

2 days ago, by Kevin Brown

I honestly hope I don't have to hear Code Review complain about not getting closer to graduation for a while

user259867

Well that didn't last long.

5:33 PM

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M You’d be amazed how many interview candidates are unable to correctly delete an item from a doubly-linked list.

Prolly. Hullo BTW!

user259867

2225 questions until 10M.

user259867

inb4 it turns out that API reports different numbers from the /questions page because historically locked questions are counted in one place but not the other. /speculation

Well.... I got the Outspoken badge! Sooner than I expected.

Yeah they star a lot here.

I got my outspoken in four days . . .

user259867

5:43 PM

Mostly starring me, it seems. 7 out of 10 starred messages right now.

It is a little undeserved.... I got most stars around New Year when it just rained stars.

There were hats involved.

@NormalHuman My dumminess ratio earned me an outspoken because I was favorably dumb in Den.

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating words in body: SQL Server 2014 Statistics Dropping by JasonR on dba.stackexchange.com

@SmokeDetector why

@S.L.Barth There is no why data for that post (anymore).

user259867

5:47 PM

Repeated words was a very expensive regex. It got replaced by a method. Methods don't tell us why.

I see.

user259867

But you can see it's [PRIMARY], being repeated

That's probably the reason. Looks like a false positive.

Indeed. Badly formatted, but seems legit.

Way better than an average Stack Overflow post.

Sadly yes....

user259867

5:51 PM

@SmokeDetector fixed.

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: NEED HELP BAD/ TRYING TO CATCH A HACKER by nathan on superuser.com

Now it looks way better. Still, I'm not a programmer and don't know which posts with big chucks of code or logs are fine.

NEED HALP URGENNT TILL TOMORROW

@SmokeDetector What.

Wow, that's surely a Gem of SE.

(I'm mixing adverbs today O.O)

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M That question on DBA? Seems a proper question to me.

For that SU question... only an ALL-CAPS title? There's an e-mail address and a phone number in the body.

5:57 PM

> now I dOn't know WHo this sh*t is, can anYoNe help me FinD him

Are they looking for their cousin? O.O

@S.L.Barth Yeah. At least it uses something called grammar.

Sparingly.

Oh wait, the DBA question, I thought you meant the SU question.

O.o

SU question is gone... before I could refer the poor fellow to GMail customer service.

Must be painful.... you're being hacked, desperately turn to SE, and get downvoted into the ground.

Ellipsis without space is painful.

Sheesh. That's one side-effect of being introduced to TeX.

If you consider bad interpunction painful, then SO must be a torture chamber.

Don't even go near the Suggested Edits Review Queue.

6:05 PM

That's why I'm only there to flag spam.

It is the worst: it says you can DO something about the horrible format, then laughs in your face when the robo-approvers reward the idiot with 2 points.

Yes, flagging spam works well, thank goodness.

Ah nice... some clown on Security.SE has brought me 3 flags closer to the Marshal badge.

On chem there have only been some 5 great dramas. I weren't present in any of them. :(

Security.SE attracts the occasional weirdo.

But this was just a troll.

Now I need to go to their meta and read their downvote whines.

There must only be a handful of graduated sites that I haven't read the metas of.

On Sec.SE? Not that many.

Their Meta is rather quiet.

6:13 PM

Teehee Google recommends me "security.stack overflow".

But it goes to the right place, sec.se .

@S.L.Barth Depends on what quiet means. Chem's meta then must be a bare island.

DuckDuckGo also suggests "security stackoverflow" in addition to "security stack exchange".

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I'm currently paying a courtesy visit to the meta of your home site.

Please do!

I've turned it into a sitcom recently, but it's a nice place.

Hm, textbook recommendations can be OK on Chem.SE?

6:18 PM

Yes, because they'

re objective on chem.

(Stupid Enter key)

I suppose the choice is more limited.

You don't have to have a CS degree to write a book on programming (unfortunately!), but who would trust a chemistry textbook from someone without a chemistry degree?

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PYTHON PROGRAM FOR PORT SCANNING FROM 1 TO 1024 PORTS IS WORKING SLOW by Amay on stackoverflow.com

Small city, people grow hatred towards homework dump, but they'll assist almost everyone with other questions.

Sounds good.

@S.L.Barth A better Q is, how many people without at least an MA will try to write a chem textbook?

6:22 PM

That too.

Hmm, now that I think about it, we hate three kinds of Qs: 1) HW dump "Plzzz I'm stuck thx" 2) Questions that say "please teach me organic chemistry" 3) Questions from people who wanna do rocket science with high school knowledge and potatoes.

Other questions pretty much receive a lot of guidance, and we tend to leave welcome comments to new users pretty often.

Organic chemistry or biochemistry? Or both?

No, some people come and ask how should I know if A & B react?

Then, to generalize the question, their A & B becomes unknown chemical species.

And they haven't thought about it before posting? I imagine that makes a lot of difference.

Now, whether two compounds will react is "chemistry".

Basically, the 2500-year effort was in understanding that.

6:27 PM

So it makes for a very broad question? One where you have to explain the principles involved?

The chemistry equivalent of "I've just learnt programming, how does the Linux kernel work"?

@S.L.Barth "The principles" are infinite. Whether A & B will react is what people study from elementary school to PhD.

@S.L.Barth Except they haven't learned or researched anything. "I only have a high school background. Teach me C# until I match up to Skeet"

I see.

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer: What is the difference between a port and a socket? by a deleted user on stackoverflow.com

@SmokeDetector why

@S.L.Barth Body - Position 3949-3963: service number

6:35 PM

False positive.

@SmokeDetector fp- examples

@SmokeDetector fp- old answer

A guy came and asked yesterday "gimme some numbers. I wanna kill algae by mixing ammonia with hydrochloric acid" (Rocket science with potatoes and elementary school knowledge)

We said never do this!, downvoted and moved on.

It's been a while since I had chem class in school, but I do recall that hydrochloric acid is a dangerous beast.

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating words in answer: Can't scroll within mobile drop down nav by YEAH on stackoverflow.com

And ammonia, IIRC, wasn't particularly safe either.

6:37 PM

@S.L.Barth Enough said that mixing them without a fume hood is a nerdy death wish.

@SmokeDetector tpu-

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Explicit formula for Riemann zeros counting function by Bob W on mathoverflow.net

o.O It has an upcoat, but it looks like a smart spam to me.

I'm wondering if it really has meaning, or just ripped words from the question.

jadarnel27

I hate RDLC reports.

Q: monax dessiccator value and significance

6:52 PM

WHAT ON EARTH!

0

Hello I have a Monax desiccator that I want to sell to raise money for charity can anybody tell me if it is worth anything and how much I may expect to get . Thanks Jackie

organic-chemistry

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: MPIRUN ON CLUSTER by riAz Ahmad on stackoverflow.com

@SmokeDetector The guy's caps key is broken.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M The guy's everything is broken.

Q: What's wrong with this question looking for an exploit?

7:08 PM

-8

Is there an exploit for python hash collision? Is it really unclear? I mean, there is a link to vulnerability description and a question IS THERE AN EXPLOIT FOR THIS????????!. How is it possible one could not get it?

discussion specific-question closed-questions

@S.L. I think I've seen that guy whining in another meta too. Not sure where though.

Maybe it was AU.

I'm surprised he actually has a few 100 rep.

Need to check their profile.

user259867

> Stack NYC Summer Party! @ The Royal Palms Shuffleboard Club instagram.com/p/6kt6UFzTAB -- Courtny Cotten at 10:41 AM - 19 Aug 2015 via Twitter

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user259867

So this is the party that we're not invited to.

> DON'T SEND A DEAD BISCUIT TO THE KITCHEN

Hah!

user259867

7:15 PM

sd 2gone

user259867

1500 questions left

time to start deleting stuff

github.com/StackExchange/stack-blog/pull/163

ur blag sukz @shog, needz moar widthz!

I have a blag?

oh, the SE blag

that's style, man

Also, use a mobile user agent

Your cat on GitHub lost its sunglasses, @bjb568

7:18 PM

it's better, trust me

Oh I can't even imagine that horrible moment.

@Shog9 uh... no

@S.L.Barth yep, old photo

user259867

API still returns "2.7 questions per minute" // guaranteed to be random

1819 questions to go

user259867

normalhuman.github.io/10M says 1411

user259867

7:26 PM

2 hours ago, by Normal Human

inb4 it turns out that API reports different numbers from the /questions page because historically locked questions are counted in one place but not the other. /speculation

I like the github system. The front-end people are all so awful that they need to be spoon-fed code for things to be fixed, and github is a great place for spoon-feeding.

user259867

The page shows 10000000 - e.items[0].total_questions, there isn't much room for error there.

user259867

For Server Fault, API reports 202665 questions vs 200799 on the site itself.

user259867

(I didn't pick a test case at random...)

user259867

Sure enough, they have 2266 locked questions

user259867

7:32 PM

Let's try... Stats. API says 62633, site says 62,623.

user259867

Yep, looks like the reason is found.

user259867

All locked SF questions are historically locked.

@NormalHuman it's going to be wrong bicauz rooooomba

user259867

The prediction is totally wrong because "2.7 q/min" is a bogus number returned by the API.

user259867

Realistically, it's at least twice that many.

user259867

7:36 PM

Dividing the estimate by two gives 4 hours 20 minutes. Which is before Roomba.

@NormalHuman true. I suppose 8 hours + change is less than an hour before roomba.

Still, I'd love to see the 10,000,000th question come just a few minutes before roomba. therefore 2x 10,000,000th question.

user259867

It can be more than a few minutes. Roomba deletes at least 1000 questions daily.

user259867

At least 3 hours worth of questions. Especially at the quiet time of the day.

user259867

Should historically locked questions count toward 10M questions milestone? by Normal Human on meta.stackoverflow.com

@NormalHuman Mathematicians.

user259867

7:50 PM

Luckily, the inclusion of historical locks skews my predictor in the direction opposite to the incorrect question rate.

So precise.

user259867

Hey, I didn't set up a spreadsheet for predicting the date.

All I did was adapt what I already have, and then use a fancy formula.

jmac's specialty.

user259867

BTW, what's historically significant about Example PDF language code which helps to study the official PDF specification?

user259867

viewed 341 times

7:56 PM

o.O

@NormalHuman The delete/undelete war is historically significant

Then most of my questions are historically very significant.

Ahh

user259867

Then it should be "locked while disputes are being resolved"

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7:59 PM

As a chemist, this is what "do amazing things" means to me.

user259867

Does the lock notice go into PostHistory table? Trying to find out how many are historically locked.

user259867

Subtracting website count from API count is unreliable due to caching.

"FIRST REPUBLICAN DEBATE HIGHLIGHTS: 2015" — A Bad Lip Reading of The Republican Debate

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This is how politics

@NormalHuman no, there's a separate PostNotices table

user259867

Which isn't in SEDE. sigh

Andy

8:08 PM

@bjb568 All closing statements should be like this

user259867

The PostHistory entry for "lock" event lists the user who locked (in the Text column), and it has a column "Comment" -- which is empty.

santiago

yo

oy

santiago

I don't if it is just me, but every time I see "Help Please" in a post, I turn into a crippled werewolf and want to attack my computer screen

:(

Chem gets a lot of crap today:

0

Q: Name of material

I talked to my brother and we came up to chemistry and he told me that there is some elastic material that can withstand 20 days in our mouth without any changes is that true and if it is whats the name of material

materials

santiago

8:16 PM

voted to close as unclear

could not find the "what the hell is this crap" close reason

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[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Calculate the excess burden (deadweight loss) of as a function of t by Guillermo on math.stackexchange.com

Let me guess, "weight loss"

user259867

@SmokeDetector ignore this crap

@NormalHuman Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

@SmokeDetector why

8:19 PM

@S.L.Barth Title - Position 34-45: weight loss

I knew it!

@SmokeDetector Didn't Math previously have a homework close reason?

user259867

@KevinBrown It still does. This one will get closed for one or another reason.

@KevinBrown Well, everything in their first page seems like HW to me.

A: Why can't I send pictures from my LG Optimus L90?

@NormalHuman No idea why, but I couldn't find it in the flag dialog. Unless it's the "missing context" one

user259867

8:21 PM

That's the one in Math-speak.

Braiam

@SmokeDetector that's economy....

user259867

@rene I think there is a bug there, which shows some unlocked questions as locked. Specifically, in (select top 1 pmax.id ... order by creationdate) the default order is used, which is ascending. Should be order by creationdate.

user259867

8:50 PM

0

I did what ^^he^^ said but there is no smsms default option on tethering and networks page. Soo??..

user259867

The other user's name is "Janice", among other things...

@NormalHuman oh, that makes sense

@NormalHuman fixed ...

user259867

Thanks... I now see my bug report had a bug in it, where I omitted "desc" at the end.

user259867

And after the edit, the sorting of columns (up/down) in SEDE works again.

> I've decided I don't want to be a manager. Every time you try to be responsive to your employees, they say you're being reactive and not proactive. And when you try to be proactive, they accuse you of being capricious and arbitrary. So I don't wanna be a manager... - Larry Wall

yeah, but thankfully I'm not the kind of dev that does send back incomplete bug reports...

user259867

9:09 PM

Three answers to locked posts have 0-20 feedback score. Two are code golf (these are generally disliked by anonymous users) and one is SQL injection.

user259867

in CoGro Musings, 20 mins ago, by Jon Ericson

Jon Ericson

@NormalHuman In related news, I'm an idiot.

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: BOOST CONVERTER DESIGN HELP by Em-Electrical on electronics.stackexchange.com

user259867

@JonEricson It wasn't clear if you are testing chat Markdown or giving "I quit" notice...

9:40 PM

Is SO down for anyone else?

Eh, well, it's up for me again.

And only 1,000 questions to go to 10M!

@ProgramFOX I'm not out of delete-votes yet....

So is Shog.

Damn that autocorrect.

10:00 PM

Does anybody now a public end-point that reproducible returns an http 500 error?

I'm not getting 500s anywhere.

@rene like this? httpstat.us/500 (assuming "now" is "know")

@KevinBrown testing.. hold on

@KevinBrown Oh, yes I meant know indeed

Oh, I was thinking you accidentally a verb. :P

@KevinBrown that works as expected, tnx

@ProgramFOX the beer over dinner doesn't help my already brilliant language skills...

user259867

10:25 PM

According to 101domain.com/city-domains.htm the most expensive city top-level domain is .vegas, closely followed by .melbourne (surprised me). Ahead of .paris, .london and .nyc

user259867

And .moscow is a lot cheaper than it is IRL.

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer: Where is the Fallout: New Vegas save game location? by dick on gaming.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu-

Quick, everybody go delete questions faster than people can ask them. :)

I trust the Roomba will save us for another day...

10:40 PM

Like 50 deletions in the last 36 minutes.

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: VDF File Error: Team Fortress 2 Dedicated Server by dick on gaming.stackexchange.com

What, more dick?

That's the spirit!

user259867

@SmokeDetector That didn't trigger "few uniques", probably is too tight.

Don’t worry: "trigger finger" is a treatable condition.

Kinda fun watching the database count lag to catch up with accuracy.

That should hold ’em for a nour.

Well maybe. Today is the day to sleep in, India.

Q: Beta progress update (August 2015)

11:11 PM

pops popcorn

proffers a chthonic Oppenheimer quote

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I'm Pops, one of the Community Managers at Stack Exchange. We on the SE team announced some changes to graduation a few months ago that applied across the network. Those of you who follow such things may be wondering how Arduino SE is doing in the "new system," so I'm here to give you an update b...

discussion beta-progress

user259867

Some concrete feedback to a site. Somewhat rare nowadays.

user259867

Although becoming more common very recently.

11:26 PM

Enough questions but not enough high rep users to take care of the site.

user259867

Parly because there are not enough answers to those questions

There are Roombas — and then there are Roomalooma Bang Bangs.

user259867

11:41 PM

> Fun facts: Stack Overflow dev has been built 16,565 times since we moved to TeamCity. It builds on every checkin. -- Nick Craver at 4:36 PM - 19 Aug 2015 via Twitter

Well of course it does.

953 questions left until 10m