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Jeroen Vannevel

7:23 PM

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A: How to Edit for linebreak add 2 spaces at end for linebreak add 2 spaces at end

Open the terminal and type sudo rm -rf /opt/lampp

This answer just breaks his installation and has nothing to do with the question, right?

TGMCians

yes

flag it IMO

That answer simply saying to remove the lampp PHP server

deleted

Aaron Hall

stackoverflow.com/review/close/4352095

Ok, I thought this one could really go either way, even though it's not a great question^

Shouldn't audit questions be a bit more unambiguous?

Bart

How can that one go either way?

Jeroen Vannevel

that's always a close

demonstrates no effort

Aaron Hall

ok, but being rep hungry I could see myself trying to answer it.

3ventic

7:36 PM

I would love to answer some of the no-effort questions

Jan Dvorak

@JeroenVannevel not a close reason under the new system

most likely a duplicate, though

Jeroen Vannevel

@JanDvorak It most definitely is. "Lacks sufficient information to diagnose the problem" and "Unclear what you're asking" both contain this

Aaron Hall

new system? When did the system change?

Jeroen Vannevel

If you don't tell us where you got stuck, we can't help you => Unclear/insufficient information

Jan Dvorak

@JeroenVannevel it's bending the close reason somewhat, though

Jeroen Vannevel

7:38 PM

and too broad to give you a whole runthrough of all methods involved

I'm fairly sure this is how it's supposed to be interpreted

3ventic

111

Q: Recent changes to close reasons on Stack Overflow

Over the past week, I've made several fairly significant changes to the close reasons and associated documentation on Stack Overflow. I've been monitoring and tweaking those changes, and believe they should now be reasonably stable; so here is a summary of the currently-available close reasons, w...

Jeroen Vannevel

considering this has been brought up on meta several times

Jan Dvorak

@JeroenVannevel is it? Parsing CSV should be a single library call that (ideally) returns the desired array

or an array containing only the result

3ventic

@JeroenVannevel So the question is fine if it mentions "I'm stuck because I have no idea how to get started"?

Too broad might be applicable though as there might be dozens of ways to accomplish the goal..

Aaron Hall

@3ventic did you say you wanted to answer no-effort questions because you're rep-hungry too?

Jeroen Vannevel

7:41 PM

At the very least there should be this:

A reasonable question needs:

Context!
A clear statement of the problem!
An explanation for why the obvious solution (if one exists) didn't work.

Jan Dvorak

@3ventic nope. "I don't know where to start" makes it no less broad

Jeroen Vannevel

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A: Should Stack Overflow be awarding "A"s for Effort?

Shog, you're attacking a straw man here. You should know better than that. Folks aren't looking for "effort" because they think displays of struggle are some sort of magic pixie dust, able to turn a terrible, useless question into gold. They're looking for effort because the lack thereof is the...

I don't see either of these elements in the post. He doesn't tell us where he got stuck => Lacks sufficient information

3ventic

@AaronHall No, I want to answer them because it's a good way for me to learn.

Bart

Pff, learning is so overrated @3ventic

Jan Dvorak

@JeroenVannevel ah, indeed. It's unclear why he didn't try said single library call. Yep. I'm stretching the close reason.

3ventic

7:43 PM

So I sometimes just get a closed question, make the system myself and never tell the OP because it's closed

Aaron Hall

Well you can typically comment on closed questions, right?

Jan Dvorak

@AaronHall unless it's deleted, yes

Aaron Hall

And who actually deletes?

Jan Dvorak

don't comment through the close vote queue, however, unless you are going to close, lest it might be an audit.

Bart

There we go. This is finally clear now meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/225610/…

Jan Dvorak

7:47 PM

@AaronHall three high-reps, a mod, or Roomba.

@Bart hmm... as I started reading the first paragraph, my bells were ringing "spam"

Bart

8 hours ago, by Bart

I was almost wondering if this was spam ...

Aaron Hall

Is Roomba a bot or a joke?

Bart

Roomba is a last name.

Why?

Jan Dvorak

Roomba

Roomba is a series of autonomous robotic vacuum cleaners sold by iRobot. Roomba was introduced in 2002. , over 10 million units have been sold worldwide. Roomba features a set of basic sensors that help it perform tasks. For instance, the Roomba is able to change direction on encountering obstacles, detect dirty spots on the floor, and detect steep drops to keep it from falling down stairs. It uses two independently operating wheels that allow 360 degree turns. Additionally, it can adapt to perform other more "creative" tasks using an embedded computer in conjunction with the Roomba O...

Bart

Gah, you and your correct response. No fun @JanDvorak.

Aaron Hall

7:53 PM

It would not be beyond the bounds of possibility for a clean-up process to be named roomba.

Speaking of sweet rep: stackoverflow.com/questions/22439752/…

TGMCians

0

A: Embed Youtube video inside an Android app

Use this Youtube Embed API from google.

Should we downvote the link only answer

Jan Dvorak

@TGMCians A comment should do for now

err... no. Downvote.

TGMCians

okay

Bart

Yeah, lousy answer.

Aaron Hall

I'm resolving to try to vote more on questions.

I'm wondering if Yahoo Answers is ever a point of reference for SO leadership. I'm sure it is, as an example of what not to do, right?

Jan Dvorak

8:02 PM

I'm voting a lot on questions. Just not enough question upvotes.

Aaron Hall

Lower your standards?

:)

Jan Dvorak

The point is when I see a candidate, "This might be a good question... but it's likely a duplicate"

TGMCians

Prime Minister of India, Allahabad, India

2.6k 3 19 52

android java android-layout sql asp.net c# sqlite

does n't make any much sense

Jeroen Vannevel

Don't disrespect the PM

Jan Dvorak

I'm pretty sure the city doesn't exist

TGMCians

8:05 PM

It exists

I am from India

I know, it exists

Bart

Sorry, but I don't believe you @TGMCians. If you can't even recognize your own Prime Minister ...

Great that he's joining SO though

Jeroen Vannevel

I always encourage politicians joining SO

gives that great programmer-politics connection

TGMCians

@Bart Fake profile

Jan Dvorak

@JeroenVannevel how?

Aaron Hall

The hubris is probably disguise for the fact that it's a sock-puppet.

TGMCians

8:07 PM

IMO, Mods should look this

Bart

Why @TGMCians?

What's there to look into?

Aaron Hall

look into this, or look like this?

I can respect that sort of swag.

Bart

Haha, would make the elections a lot more selective.

Jeroen Vannevel

I'm pretty sure most people realize he isn't the actual PM of india

TGMCians

@Bart He is not actual PM of India

disrespect the PM

Aaron Hall

8:08 PM

Good, cuz he could get in trouble if he were taken seriously, I'm sure.

Bart

Pff, that's a declined flag waiting to happen

Jan Dvorak

@AaronHall meh. My socks openly acknowledge they are.

Jeroen Vannevel

Didn't someone used to say "Imitation is the greatest form of flattery"?

Aaron Hall

I've taken the high road on socks.

Jan Dvorak

@JeroenVannevel are you sure it isn't "irritation"?

Bart

8:09 PM

Really @TGMCians? That confused me for a while. Really thought it was.

TGMCians

@Bart Yes

Aaron Hall

I go all out, real felt, cut-out eyes, swedish chef arms...

TGMCians

Prime Minister of India

The Prime Minister of India, as addressed to in the Constitution of India, is the chief of government, chief advisor to the President of India, head of the Council of Ministers and the leader of the majority party in parliament. The prime minister leads the executive branch of the Government of India. The prime minister is the senior member of cabinet in the executive branch of government in a parliamentary system. The prime minister selects and can dismiss other members of the cabinet; allocates posts to members within the Government; is the presiding member and chairman of the cabine...

Jeroen Vannevel

Well he does kind of look like the PM

I'm not convinced

maybe it's his son?

TGMCians

If you don't believe on me see wiki

Jan Dvorak

8:10 PM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/22442305/…

Aaron Hall

bork bork bork!

Bart

@TGMCians, nobody will believe that is the prime minister of India. Nobody is fooled by that account. You can flag if you wish, but it's pointless.

TGMCians

hmm but it is simply disrespect

Jan Dvorak

wait, who voted "too broad"?

(one more vote needed, BTW)

Bart

Then flag @TGMCians

TGMCians

8:13 PM

@Bart How can I flag the user, pls explain

I haven't done so far yet

Jan Dvorak

@TGMCians flag any of their posts

Bart

Flag any of his contributions with the "Other" flag and explain what your problem is with the user.

3ventic

Flag one of their post with the "Other ♦ needs moderator attention" and explain it fully

Bart

Any of those 3 options will do ^^

Jan Dvorak

If you do want to flag their profile, that is

Aaron Hall

8:14 PM

Cultural differences are interesting. Indians have a high power distance.

TGMCians

Okay thnx

Aaron Hall

A lot of Asian societies do

Americans much less so. We don't like our leaders putting on airs.

You're President? So what? You're not special. It's not like you're Yeezus. :)

Jan Dvorak

well, if your ruler asks you to worship them or you'll die, you will

Aaron Hall

Well the Kims are special.

Jeroen Vannevel

special and glorious

Aaron Hall

8:17 PM

And North Koreans are like children to them.

Bart

►

Jan Dvorak

@AaronHall I hope you don't mean Kim Kardachian

Aaron Hall

They're both covered in the Guardian, if I recall the posters on the street correctly...

There, I reviewed 40 close vote items today

in 3 hours, I can review another 40. :)

Ha

THIS IS METAAAAAA

Let's have a meta discussion about meta

Does it work?

:)

user13500

8:41 PM

Is questions like this on-topic?

0

Q: Get Device Information from IMEI number

I have a web application that stores IMEI numbers. I need to be able to store the DEVICE names against these IMEIs. I've tried to get such kind of info from www.imei.info. Tried http://www.imei.info/?imei=358010040318112 This works fine for 10 attempts a day, but not after that, even if you regi...

database mobile lookup portal imei

Jeroen Vannevel

Mhhm

I'd give it the benefit of the doubt

Jan Dvorak

it smells of rec-tool; voted

Jeroen Vannevel

He stated what he wanted, (sort of) what he tried and what the problem was

does sound like a resource request

Jan Dvorak

@JeroenVannevel "and now gimmeh teh public API"

I'll give it a benefit of the doubt by not downvoting, though

Aaron Hall

closed

TGMCians

8:46 PM

Leaving ! cya

Jan Dvorak

yay

Aaron Hall

ciao

Jan Dvorak

o/

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/22442800/how-do-you-fix-this-error

the title couldn't get any worse

and the body isn't better.

0

Q: When and how did this website get so popular?

Okay guys, I may be a math major in college, and I may have all A's, and I may be doing a math REU this summer, but I am by far not an expert nor a professional. How did this website get so popular recently and what made it so? Since around 2006, I've always been the person to rush to Yahoo Ans...

homework soft-question recreational-mathematics

normally I'd flag as "belongs to meta", math.se are a weird kin; should I?

Please don't ask simultaneously here and on meta; this question seems to be off-topic here. — T. Bongers 1 min ago

oh.

hichris123

@JanDvorak Could have sworn we saw something similar to that here on mSO.

Jan Dvorak

@hichris123 this account has no account on SO

Aaron Hall

9:03 PM

I +1 for audacity.

sweet, 120 rep for the day

Jan Dvorak

aargh. Some people will upvote just anything. (cc @AaronHall)

Aaron Hall

hey, it went from -6 to -5, what's the harm?

Jan Dvorak

@AaronHall the asker's rep went up by 5

Aaron Hall

yeah, it went down by 12 before that

GnomeSlice

Today's Listening

Jan Dvorak

9:06 PM

don't you feel pity for him?

Aaron Hall

I believe in the stick and the carrot, just as much as SO culture, but I don't mind if the stick is a little smaller. :)

Jan Dvorak

@AaronHall as long as the piece of stick you remove is used to smite your rear end, I can go with that.

cool. I've learned a new swearword for my bot

Undo

gone

Jan Dvorak

@Undo what was there?

Undo

link to spam on Arqade

Jan Dvorak

9:13 PM

oh. Sweet

Undo

well more offensive than spam, but whatever

Jan Dvorak

> PS: No thumbs down please, its IT forum and we discuss and share our experience here.

Let the downvotes rain

Cool, another vandalising edit. Rolled back and downvoted.

This looks like spam, but it's missing any contact information; should I flag? islam.stackexchange.com/questions/11863/…

Undo

9:29 PM

yes

he's an inexperienced spammer :P

Jan Dvorak

flagged; let's see

Why haven't you?

Undo

how....

why do you think I haven't?

Jan Dvorak

register; log in; click "flag"

Undo

oh

hehe

Jan Dvorak

@Undo only one auto-downvote, and it's mine.

Undo

9:33 PM

yeah, I don't really want to make an Islam account atm ;)

Jan Dvorak

please check my network profile ;-)

I have a truckload of accounts

Undo

I do too

but I tend to stay away from religious sites other than a certain few. Just a personal decision ;)

Jan Dvorak

IOW you hate religion so much you refuse to clear garbage on sites that discuss it?

Undo

I... just don't want to make an islam account. That's all.

jadarnel27

We can now make assumptions about @Undo's religious convictions (of course, one could more easily do that based on his apps ;-)).

Undo

9:45 PM

:D

ThiefMaster

@JanDvorak link? ;)

Jan Dvorak

-7

Q: GUI doesn't always accept credentials

I got ubuntu 12.04 and 13.10 desktop installed on more than 10 computers (different vendors) in office where users use the desktop/GUI for their office work. every day i face same problem again and again that user cant login. When i try their credentials they work fine in CLI but in GUI sometime...

gui

ThiefMaster

damn, i need to get some rep on that site..

wasted half of my association rep on a bounty (but the answer very much deserved it)

Undo

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Q: Error in first two lines?

What is the error in my code? How should I write the first two lines correcty? private void TextBox1(System.Object sender, System.EventArgs e) public string GetTextForNumber(decimal NMBR) { // check values between 0-10 if (NMBR <= 10) ...

discussion

^ I beat Oded to the close vote! :D

Jan Dvorak

flagged

hichris123

9:48 PM

@Undo I think Oded's asleep... :P

Jan Dvorak

and downvoted

Undo

@hichris123 well yes, but still it's an achievement :P

Jan Dvorak

has everyone cast a flag? Can I ping him already? :-)

hichris123

I totally need to get to 3k on meta...

Jan Dvorak

@hichris123 why? This is a great flag-farm.

you don't get anything for closing

3ventic

9:51 PM

Unless you do it from the queue

hichris123

@JanDvorak But I don't even have full edit privs...

Jan Dvorak

@hichris123 then suggest; great rep farm

hichris123

@JanDvorak I hate suggesting edits on meta... :P

3ventic

Hmm.. 39 upvotes and no response from devs

39

Q: Should the "Page Not Found" page for deleted spam suggest a search?

When a <10k user opens a deleted question, he is greeted with a "Page Not Found" page explaining that the question has been deleted by the author, or for moderation reasons, but more importantly it suggests that the user could search for similar questions or run a Google search with the title of ...

discussion feature-request deleted-questions spam 404-not-found

hichris123

Either full edit privs or nothing.

@3ventic I wonder who upvoted that... :P

3ventic

9:52 PM

40 people did :p

Both of my popular feature-requests went like this

hichris123

Well, I upvoted that >5 minutes ago.

Jan Dvorak

I wonder who downvoted that, then

3ventic

about 20 upvotes when I posted it

Jan Dvorak

@hichris123 how did you find out? >:-(

3ventic

then about double the original when I edited it

hichris123

9:53 PM

@JanDvorak Huh what?

Jan Dvorak

@hichris123 did you try to unupvote?

hichris123

@JanDvorak No... why?

huh... weird

confused

confused x2

9:58 PM

well, you said "more than 5 minutes ago". There's only one place where this particular time limit occurs for voting.

hichris123

@JanDvorak sigh I did say >. I meant less than.

Sorry!

3ventic

> is more than..

DAMN

and I misread again

Time for me to go to bed.

Good night.

hichris123

Night. :P

laughs as his evil plan to get @3ventic out of the room worked!

3ventic

I sleep in this room.

Jan Dvorak

I don't sleep. I wait.

3ventic

10:03 PM

I'm tempted to leave my computer running over the night..

so many tabs open in chrome it will be a pain to launch if I close it as is :|

Jan Dvorak

@3ventic I do that regularly

hichris123

@3ventic I'll ping you every minute, then. :D

3ventic

I have headphones

and a mute button

Jan Dvorak

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/5841490/…

@3ventic aren't headphones kinda useless when the mute button is engaged?

3ventic

yeah, I don't have them on

I think I'll close my computer tho

Jan Dvorak

10:06 PM

I only close the lid overnight

or overday, depending on how awry my waiting pattern goes.

3ventic

It's hard to sleep with a constant fan noise in the background

+ it warms up the room a bit too much

Jan Dvorak

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/22443695/…

3ventic

a gaming PC so it's made to perform, not be quiet

Jan Dvorak

@3ventic use a netbook

3ventic

I have my nexus 7 for all my other needs

Jan Dvorak

10:08 PM

or that

3ventic

might have to get a keyboard for it though

but I'm off for today

hichris123

@3ventic Nexiis FTW!

jadarnel27

10:31 PM

I just got a message from someone at Amazon.com on LinkedIn. I should really check that thing more.

michaelb958

10:57 PM

Whoever it was that introduced the Tavern to 2048? I hate you now.

hichris123

yesterday, by Undo

This is how to cure your 2048 addiction

hichris123

11:22 PM

79

Q: Close vote review audit flawed - fails without casting vote

Having just failed my first review audit from any of the queues, it was reviewing close votes; however, this audit was flawed in that I didn't even cast a close vote. Often I press the Close button to preview greater detail and sentiment of the closure, spawning the Why should this question be c...

discussion review vote-to-close review-audits disputed-review-audits

Ed Cottrell

11:51 PM

Current rep: 7777. I need airfare to Vegas, quick. :)

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