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Unihedron

4:01 PM

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Ben Collins

@InfiniteRecursion still a problem? I've been out a couple of days

Shadow Wizard

Anyone else see a naked star wall?

Jan Dvorak

@ShadowWizard where are the numbers?

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak excellent question!

:(

let me log out and login again, if no luck it's bug report time

Jan Dvorak

I can see them on my star wall

gunr2171

4:07 PM

@ShadowWizard WHERE IS THE NUMBERS STATION MASON!

Shadow Wizard

nope, still no numbers. bug report here I come!

jadarnel27

I'm seeing things.

gunr2171

What do you see in your browser's debugger for html? I see this:

Though I wouldn't expect that to change in your situation.

Jan Dvorak

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27276440/…

gunr2171

@JanDvorak man, I want to write "your mom" as highest importance.

user259867

4:14 PM

On the list of badges, when the post for which the badge was earned is deleted (and you don't have 10K) it says "(post deleted or otherwise unavailable)".
Anyone know what *otherwise unavailable* might mean?

gunr2171

a dev threw the post in a blender?

moderator or dev intervention?

probably just a "catch all" for any other future reasons

user259867

*threw. And those still mean "deleted", don't they? Yes, I've suddenly become concerned about those possible future reasons.

gunr2171

yeah, english is great, there their they're

Infinite Recursion

@BenCollins The problem is that he creates too many individual rooms for every message is the transcript which upsets him. After he invited me, I shouted at him in the tavern and settled the score, but it would be nice if they know that inviting users like this for repeating the same rant isn't good.

3 hours ago, by Infinite Recursion

@Revious: DO NOT invite me to chat room with you, I am not willing to chat with you
I told you the same thing and left the room after your comment in the tavern about you loving all girls..my opinion and behaviour remains unchanged. I participate in chat to help cleanup by flagging stuff, and cv posts. Not here for all the other crap. So please do not chat with me. Thank you.

3 hours ago, by Infinite Recursion

If you don't like my comment, ignore it or flag it. I am not interested in giving you any explanations @Revious

^ after that I walked away. He has been informed long ago, that it isn't acceptable to invite users like this. Let me find it...

in Discussion with Sam about Meta site, Feb 26 at 15:08, by Hiroto

@Sam please don't mass-invite users to chat without good reason or you'll be chatbanned on chat.SE

ProgramFOX

^ That's Revious, not the other Sam.

Unihedron

4:21 PM

Mhm.

ProgramFOX

(Revious' previous name was Sam)

Infinite Recursion

Yes, it's revious. I put all the information in one place for BenCollins to review.

Unihedron

Thanks. So there's history I was not aware, and it's best for me not to voice with the partial of what I know.

Infinite Recursion

I know it isn't our Sam ;)

jadarnel27

CAPS LOCK IS HOW I FEEL INSIDE...ALL THE TIME

5

Infinite Recursion

4:28 PM

!!/ALIVE?

SmokeDetector

@InfiniteRecursion Yup

Infinite Recursion

:)

ProgramFOX

@SmokeDetector false

SmokeDetector

@ProgramFOX Registered as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Unihedron

expected spam and it was actually a legit question..

Bart

4:38 PM

@jadarnel27 that site is great

rene

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/a/244593/158100

Infinite Recursion

@Unihedron yes, there is history..you should know because you and that guy are making jokes about my age in your other room

Unihedron

@InfiniteRecursion ... not really

ProgramFOX

~~you and~~ that guy

Infinite Recursion

Meh

Unihedron

4:43 PM

yes, meh

Good night!

ProgramFOX

Night!

jadarnel27

@Bart Right? I was introduced to it by comments on on an MSO question. I hate that it hasn't been updated in forever.

o/

\o

\o/

4:53 PM

/o\

ProgramFOX

\o/

Infinite Recursion

o

Shog9

@InfiniteRecursion next time just flag that and ignore it, please.

We'll deal with the flag, and you don't have to add any fuel to the fire.

Infinite Recursion

Sorry for that, @Shog9. I will flag.

nicael

5:08 PM

Guys, how long does it take for "Enlightened" to be awarded after the tenth upvote (if answer was accepted earlier)?

Vogel612's Shadow

@nicael until the vote is non-reversible I'd guess..

add a bit for caching, and there you go

Bart

@nicael and there is the psychological test of course ... pass that and you're good to go

Infinite Recursion

...or you can hack the psychological test and skip it to get the badge...

Bart

That's how I got mine. Would have never passed.

Infinite Recursion

Finally, the truth!

Bart

5:13 PM

Surely that doesn't come as a surprise

Infinite Recursion

Truth reminds me of sabre tooth - the new nemesis

The words rhyme

Bart

You fear you're being replaced ...

Infinite Recursion

I am glad that now I can leave without leaving a gap ;)

Bart

:D

Infinite Recursion

:D

Jan Dvorak

5:17 PM

:D

Vogel612's Shadow

@InfiniteRecursion may I call out a false assumption here??

Infinite Recursion

#trainwreck

Vogel612's Shadow

I like wrecking trains.

it's so satisfying

Jan Dvorak

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27230005/…

what to do with the answer?

Bart

commented @JanDvorak

Jan Dvorak

5:22 PM

Commented as well. Too blunt?

The end perhaps

Edited. Better?

Yep

From a new user, it's a good answer with full disclosure. Though the question is OT. Community's fault that they didn't close it earlier

nicael

@Vogel612'sShadow Already an hour passed...

ProgramFOX

5:28 PM

Should I answer this or just leave it?

Bart

@ProgramFOX I'd let a diamond encrusted user handle it

Jan Dvorak

@ProgramFOX I missed the drama. I'm curious.

"I got no communications" - unlikely. — Jan Dvorak 53 secs ago

ProgramFOX

@Bart True, that's probably the best idea.

@JanDvorak See Inf's oneboxes some messages above. They explain it for the biggest part.

Jan Dvorak

@InfiniteRecursion lots of effort or not, the answer is not useful for the site because it's likely to prevent automatic deletion of the question

Infinite Recursion

I know @JanDvorak, that's why I didn't upvote. Else I upvote well-written answers.

not useful = no upvote

Jan Dvorak

5:32 PM

actively harmful = downvote

Infinite Recursion

ohh, but the new user will learn from Bart and your comments, downvoting is too harsh

Jan Dvorak

Downvoting is to aid roomba

Infinite Recursion

okay, that makes sense

Jan Dvorak

Also, the first thing I thought was, "ooh, disclosed advertisement"

Bart

Myeah. I went for "benefit of the doubt" there.

Jan Dvorak

5:36 PM

I prefer "benefit of the site"

as for "benefit of the doubt", I didn't flag as spam ;-)

Bart

Hehe, I guess we agree then.

Infinite Recursion

But scaring away good new users also harms the site. This user has good writing skills, it's fairly evident. Once they learn the rules, they have potential to become a useful contributor. This isn't a help vampire or a regular spammer :)

Bart

Then again, he's dealing with something called "splunk" ... that can't be a thing. Sounds suspicious to me. Do we really want more splunk?

Jan Dvorak

advertisers do have good writing skills usually

Downvotes are not to scare away users. If you don't teach them the first time, they will make the same mistake again.

Infinite Recursion

This isn't regular advertising writing style, I see a techie in that splunk post.

The second downvote was mine, to aid roomba.

Jan Dvorak

5:43 PM

If nothing else, it will teach them to read the help center

Infinite Recursion

yes, indeed.

TGMCians

@InfiniteRecursion link pls

Jan Dvorak

"community is harsh" - norepro, citation needed — Jan Dvorak 18 secs ago

Infinite Recursion

@TGMCians here: stackoverflow.com/questions/27230005/…

Jan Dvorak

harsh?

user259867

5:46 PM

@JanDvorak fragment out of context: "to speak how .... is harsh". That is, the words don't represent nicael's view. The grammar is somewhat lacking in the sentence, I think.

TGMCians

@InfiniteRecursion joking :)

gunr2171

so, and correct me if I'm wrong, but we have all agreed that the answerer put in a lot of effort, but we downvote him because the question is off topic?

Jan Dvorak

@gunr2171 essentially

gunr2171

something with that is not sitting well with me

user259867

@gunr2171 "A for effort" is not our slogan.

Jan Dvorak

5:47 PM

@gunr2171 optimise for the site, not to reward effort

jadarnel27

I should comment on that Splunk answer, so that there will four comments that say basically the same thing.

Jan Dvorak

Spammers put a ton of effort into posting here ;-)

@jadarnel27 meh

delv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27278195/…

jadarnel27

@JanDvorak You're right, three is enough.

If I interpreted your very articulate "meh" correctly.

Jan Dvorak

@Raff reread again, thanks

Infinite Recursion

@jadarnel27 I added a redundant comment to welcome them to SO and tell them that they have potential.

user259867

5:53 PM

@JanDvorak it's roomba-eligible, waste of valuable delvotes.

Jan Dvorak

@Raff you never know when a drive-by upvote appears

user259867

Actually, it would need 9 upvotes to avoid roomba.

Jan Dvorak

oh. That one.

Point taken.

Infinite Recursion

Yes @gunr2171, we have downvoted because the answer is not useful for the site. But their English writing skills are good, even though they just promoted their product, but they may stop spamming about their tool and one day start writing useful answers. They are welcome on SO, but their first answer isn't. If they keep spamming the tool, I will raise a mod flag. I noted down "splunk"

gunr2171

so (and I'm just trying to understand this), assuming the post is not spam, should it be deleted?

Jan Dvorak

5:57 PM

is this a valid answer? stackoverflow.com/questions/27167000/…

Infinite Recursion

yes, it should be deleted. It doesn't add value to the site

gunr2171

ah, ok. thanks for clearing that up

@JanDvorak I think it should be a comment

TGMCians

yes

flagged

Infinite Recursion

welcome, the goal is more good content and less bad content :)

ElfSlice

Today's Listening | DnB / Electronic

gunr2171

6:03 PM

@rene, I would add to my comment about "needing 50 rep", but I'll let the VLQ queue add that

Sam

in Low Quality Posts HQ, 59 secs ago, by Pham

Low Quality A (25.4%): this is our website online shop handicraft p..., by Niken Gallery, on stackoverflow.com.

^ SPAM

rene

@gunr2171 OK

Infinite Recursion

Pham caught a lot of spam today!

Jan Dvorak

yay!

Sam

yay!

TGMCians

6:04 PM

yay!

yay!

yay!

guy!

and btw, meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/32900 - does it really need [ios-app-feed]?

TGMCians

@rene huh!

rene

6:06 PM

@TGMCians You're welcome

Jan Dvorak

VLQ workplace.stackexchange.com

TGMCians

@rene :/

gunr2171

the whole site?

TGMCians

@JanDvorak wut ?

how ?

why ?

lot of questions..

nicael

@JanDvorak flagged :p

TGMCians

6:07 PM

hahaha

Jan Dvorak

Ex.: workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/37030/…

new FR: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/244599/…

thoughts?

Infinite Recursion

no-action-needed on the FR

Sam

in Low Quality Posts HQ, 1 min ago, by Pham

Spam A (19.1%): Time to time usual methods are not efficient..., by Micaiah, on superuser.com.

user259867

Why? because of my comment there? Or a clipboard fail?

Jan Dvorak

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27278555/…

Infinite Recursion

6:18 PM

Thanks for the listening @ElfSlice

Jan Dvorak

too broad? stackoverflow.com/questions/27278845/…

TGMCians

status-kaboom

cVplZ

status-mission-completed

TGMCians

status-closed

Infinite Recursion

If I tell JanDvorak about the cv-room, will he scold me? :P

user273376

6:28 PM

and it's 4:30am tomorrow here and all is insane as always

Infinite Recursion

hiya @SabreTooth

cVplZ

@InfiniteRecursion no, he'd think you were bjb

user273376

@InfiniteRecursion mornin'

Infinite Recursion

morning :)

@cVplZ True :/

user273376

where's ma breakfast?

Vogel612's Shadow

6:33 PM

@SabreTooth in the middle of tha' lava lake out there..

it's fried egg today ;)

user273376

oh yes, I see it! swims and eats nom nom nom

user273376

lava lakes remove ticks, fleas and one direction mites

user273376

mornin' @Bart

cVplZ

already has 15 followers area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/80752/…

Bart

hiya

user273376

6:44 PM

how you be?

Pham

tpa

Sam

facepalm

TGMCians

you are probably right. — Happy Cupz Cupz 10 mins ago

cVplZ

/cVplZ is typing...

Infinite Recursion

6:59 PM

/cVplZ is typing...

TGMCians

/cVplZ is typing...

cVplZ

it's polite to not post messages while another user is typing

user259867

7:15 PM

I see you shiver with antici ...

Tweeted by DrFNFurter on May 8, 2009 at 6:10 AM

2

TGMCians

7:30 PM

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27279629/… ?

Jan Dvorak

voted

facepalm... sound.stackexchange.com/questions/31829/…

TGMCians

10x Jan :)

Jan Dvorak

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27280205/…

TGMCians

voted + downvote

ElfSlice

... pation.

Tweeted by DrFNFurter on May 8, 2014 at 4:24 AM

3

5 years later

Jan Dvorak

7:51 PM

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/3988760/…

TGMCians

voted

user259867

8:12 PM

Solving problems by driving out THE WRONG SORT OF PEOPLE is always appealing. In practice, that means everyone, especially yourself.

Tweeted by shog9 on December 3, 2014 at 5:59 PM

Vogel612's Shadow

@Raff is this... a reference to ... puzzling??

user259867

No, Server Fault.

Shog9

every community, ever.

Bart

... if that is Shog ... then who is the body?

gunr2171

nobody?

Jan Dvorak

8:35 PM

if Douglas Crockford was a CM on SE: Puzzling.se Considered Harmful

user259867

I don't consider puzse harmful. Irritating in the hot sidebar, for sure. If it, and similar not-really-SE sites were excluded from there, I'd have no reason to think of them again.

bummi

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/373449/1699210

Jan Dvorak

^could use some historical locking... if it were older

There should be an autoflag when a question hits 30 answers

user259867

The scattered one-liners are bad. Should be consolidated into one list. And posted on a blog. The kind that SE does not want to start anymore. (Why does not SO have a blog like SU and SF do?)

SmokeDetector

8:52 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PROVE THIS PROBLEM by user197411 on math.stackexchange.com

bjb568

9:05 PM

HALLO

jadarnel27

Does this seem unclear to anyone else?

bjb568

LQ (^)

Bart

@jadarnel27 yep

jadarnel27

I was counter-upvoted less than a minute after downvoting.

What reasonable person thinks that question is useful / clear / shows research effort?

rene

SPAM stackoverflow.com/questions/27281705/…

Bart

9:12 PM

SPAM stackoverflow.com/questions/27281659/…

bjb568

gonegone

Bart

yayyay

Braiam

mousesucksmousesucks

hadtoscrollhadtoscroll

bjb568

mousesuckswhat?*mousesuckswhat?*

Y U NO WERK

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive title detected: Why is that drunk guy putting dog shit all over my lawn? by Hal on scifi.stackexchange.com

hichris123

9:16 PM

@SmokeDetector wut

rene

Fantasy...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: GARAGE DOOR BRACKET by Roberta Harants on diy.stackexchange.com

Bart

9:29 PM

^ would make for an awesome punk band name.

Braiam

you bet

gunr2171

ah, so close

Bracket (band)

Bracket is an American rock band from Forestville, California formed in 1992. The lineup consists of lead vocalist and guitarist Marty Gregori, bassist and backing vocalist Zack Charlos, drummer Ray Castro, and guitarist and backing vocalist Angelo Celli, who replaced Larry Tinney in 1998. Bracket has issued numerous albums, EPs and singles since its inception, including many releases for Caroline Records and Fat Wreck Chords. Their sound could most easily be described as power pop influenced punk rock with a continued focus on vocal harmonies. Bracket emerged during the pop punk resurgence of...

Bart

:D

hichris123

10:00 PM

SPAM: stackoverflow.com/a/27233464/2581872

Bart

?

hichris123

SPAM: stackoverflow.com/questions/27188507/corrupt-msmmmob-mdb-file

@Bart You saw nothing! :P Was going for the answer.

SPAM: stackoverflow.com/a/27214610/2581872

Bart

Ah

Braiam

How to use your mouse in a productive way? Don't use it.

Mooseman

@Braiam Train it to run through a maze.

rene

10:07 PM

Is this a SPAM setup question: stackoverflow.com/questions/27254308/…

Bart

@Braiam Use a trackball. So much better.

rene

Hmm, I have a disputed spam flag here: stackoverflow.com/questions/27270066/… I recall this one was raised from this room

@rene Yes. :P

Brad is on it...

yup

10:12 PM

@rene stackoverflow.com/revisions/27278500/1

rene

IE11 hangs on that link ...

Mooseman

... because IE still stinks

rene

I blame it on caching...

Mooseman

>paid online recover service for pdf files- givememoney.com

Actual URL replaced with intent of OP.

rene

I'm out ... need sleep...

Mooseman

10:18 PM

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Q: Meaning of "A user can unprotect any protected question"

On the 15k privilege privilege page, a restriction of protecting questions is A user can unprotect any protected question What does this mean? Can any user unprotect a question? Can any other 15k user or mod unprotect a question?

Bart

cya

Mooseman

cya

Mysticial

@Shog9 The "unsalvagable" button brings up the flag dialog.

Shog9

@Mysticial intentional

What's not intentional is that the VLQ option is in that dialog. Dalgas is fixing...

hichris123

Does this mean what I think it means?

Yup.

Mysticial

10:23 PM

Oh, ic.

So it forces us to choose a reason when we pick unsalvagable.

At least the close vote options are there.

Mooseman

Shog is still alive?

Braiam

severed heads are hard to kill

Mooseman

Shog will delete this. <== This message. Right there. You know you want to, Mr. Shog.

Bart

Plot twist: Shog deletes user instead

Mooseman

@Bart Just the message, please.

Mysticial

10:28 PM

Shog also greps the entire network for mentions of his name.

Braiam

he just has a rss search feed

Bart

Doesn't need to @Mysticial. He just senses "disturbances"

Mooseman

Should I ping him? (I know... NO! )

Mysticial

The only time I've been able to mention his name without him noticing is to do it like this:

in Kuroneko's Den on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Nov 26 at 2:39, by Mysticial

   _____ _                 ___
  / ____| |               / _ \
 | (___ | |__   ___   __ | (_) |
  \___ \| '_ \ / _ \ / _` \__, |
  ____) | | | | (_) | (_| | / /
 |_____/|_| |_|\___/ \__, |/_/
                      __/ |
                     |___/

Shog9

all you know is that I didn't edit it...

Bart

10:30 PM

:D

hichris123