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12:02 AM

@Unihedron lern sum elnglesce

What are we talking about?

Dunno.

codepen.io/bjb/pen/bqeFm

@bjb568 y u no JSFiddle?

@hichris123 Heeey, it's just a fork of some interesting thing I saw. I use jsfiddle for other things.

12:26 AM

@Sam Create away :)

user image

Someone star one of those to make it go away

I refuse to star @hichris123's message

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12:47 AM

DISCRIMINATION!

@lostsock :(

NO STARS FOR YOU!

s/messages/message

@lostsock You mean the copyright violation?

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@animuson Oh, wait, so am I going to see a post notice under that message now?

@animuson lol, oh yea , that's why

12:52 AM

Whatever happened with that lawsuit? goes to investigate

Oh, it's still ongoing. Interesting.

next time at a restaurant and I hear the wait staff singing that to a customer, I'm going to stand up and yell "stop it, stop it, that song is copyrighted"

what? stackoverflow.com/questions/26331588/…

@lostsock refrains from starring

@animuson huh?! really?

@lostsock lol

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/26331517/…

@hichris123 inb4 "I got fired from work because I'm banned from asking questions on SO"

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1:04 AM

ahaha

@lostsock Sorry, had to star that.

Is this the right place to ask about interpretation of "is this a low quality post or not"?

@GreenAsJade ... maybe? Go ahead and ask.

So this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/26331517/… is a blatant homework question. It's in the LQP queue. It's not pretending not to be a homework question. I can't tell, from reading the guidelines and even from my experience here, whether this is "acceptable" or not. In it's favour, it's perfectly clear and honest about what it is asking. Against it, it is a homework question. Thoughts?

8 mins ago, by hichris123

cv-plz http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26331517/python-functionwhile-loop-modulus-op‌erator

I thought it was off-topic or too broad, as that guy needs a whole book on modulo, not a short answer.

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/26330630/free-apk-builders

1:12 AM

gah, @animuson.

goes to find more spam

I see - yes, I can understand an interpretation that this is 'too broad'.

@GreenAsJade There's nothing inherently wrong with it because it's a homework question, but we require some level of research here, and that question shows none.

That makes sense too. So - is a question that shows no research "very low quality and should be deleted" or just "not a good question and should be downvoted"?

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Q: Python Pandas for Creating CSVs and Memory Usage

I have the below which will just parse text files containing json objects and then convert to a dataframe before saving to disk as csv. I'm trying to figure out if this is the most memory efficient way and what is gradually using up my memory as this runs against around 200 different files with e...

@animuson ^ Pandas!

@GreenAsJade just downvote and close vote

1:14 AM

@GreenAsJade It should be closed until the asker fixes it (or eventually deleted if s/he doesn't).

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/26118385/…

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/25820082/…

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/25926707/…

Righto, I see that it is now :) Thanks, cyas

@hichris123 alsdfjaskldjflkndsaf that spaghetti code

isn't python' forte "readability"?

@Braiam every language supports messy code

SPAM & dead links: stackoverflow.com/users/2287620/carl-ocean?tab=activity

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/11816850/…

Crappy answers: stackoverflow.com/users/429132/user429132?tab=activity

1:24 AM

@hichris123 inb4 serial "serial voting reversed"

ahaha

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/26331682/…

1:55 AM

Look: someone created a Stack Snippet with Java code.

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Q: Java program using Google's gson

So I have an extremely basic program that I found on this site that allows the user to input a query and search google w/ whatever was inputted. The program then returns the first 4 results that google gives. Here is the code: package google.api.search; import java.io.IOException; impo...

java ajax json gson

@AstroCB yep... and cool is not tagged javascript....

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A: Changing value of a cell with JavaScript

If you want lot of visitors on your website then open www.jituworld.com and register in website jituworld.com is offering advertise for free.. post free ads for long time because jituworld don’t delete your ads and you can get best backlinks for your website on search result i am using jituworld ...

SPAM ^

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 63.1913: Kernel Panic With Cheap Wi-Fi Usb Adapter on askubuntu.com

2:36 AM

I'm a reasonably savvy searcher. I used to find MP3 files back in the day by searching for the song title, plus MP3, plus "last modified"

And Google would index directory listings of HTTP servers that were serving out file directories. It turned out "last modified" is one of those uncommon phrases that really only came up in that context.

Anyway, so I like to read and gather data. "better than X" is a nice phrase if you are looking for ideas on what might be better than something you are considering.

And a fairly good metric of the health and goodwill toward something is "X sucks"

If I were a trend grapher, I would say the "StackOverflow sucks" meme is now becoming pretty intense. Like, I'd buy stock in "StackOverflow sucks"

So... is there anyone who cares?

Like, is there a PR department? Is there anyone in charge?

I wonder about Jeff quitting. Reminds me of LiveJournal and Brad Fitzgerald. "Thanks for the money, hello Russian mafia!" True story.

3:35 AM

@HostileFork Well, as long as they're talking about StackOverflow and not Stack Overflow, I think we're fine. ;p

Hey folk. I just want to get calibrated on low quality posts, 'cause I just failed an audit for the first time (having passed many). I don't see what's wrong with this post that I marked as "Looks OK" It answers the question, before going on to supply linkds as reference.... stackoverflow.com/review/first-posts/5981360

The answer is "This will be used in the Serialized class". That is the answer to the question.

I think I need to hear why "no, man, that post is really bad, because... "

Hmmm - looks like all the denziens of the Tavern are asleep, darn it!

The other answers are far better, at the very least

Yes, but that in itself doesn't make this a "bad answer, action should have been taken", though, does it?

What exactly should that new user have been told?

1) He answered the question. 2) He provided reference material to backup his answer.

huh... it wasn't even flagged as spam. I don't think that just anything deleted as VLQ should become an audit

other reviewers apparently considered it a link-only answer, though

I got told (in the audit fail message) that this was a "very low quality answer".

3:40 AM

well...

IMHO, I think other reviewers just saw the links and didn't really pay attention to what the answer was :(

it is bad

But - I'm here to be calibrated. What exactly is bad about it?

It is bad. It doesn't add any new information compared to other answers

AIUI that doesn't make an answer bad. I recall reading, in meta. that answers are supposed to be judged on their own merit

3:42 AM

The question is "what is SVID?". The answer is "It's used by serialisation. See here for more: [link]". SerialVersionID is used by serialisation - you don't tell? Who would have thought?

"Does this answer the question? In any way? " ... yes it does.

And the rest is just a link

Hmm - I thought the question is "why is it important" and the answer is "it is important because it is used by serialisation"

@GreenAsJade only if you count "serial version relates to serialisation" as an answer.

Anyhow, thanks for the feedback. I take away from this that I need to recalibrate slightly in teh direction of not being lenient.

3:44 AM

@GreenAsJade that's only one third of the question

"why is it important to use different tires in winter than in summer?". "Because the tire behavior depends on weather." "umm.. thanks, but you haven't answered my question"

Still, I don't think it's a good audit

@JanDvorak :)

No big deal - just good to double check upon failure eh :)

when I see a question with 15 answers, and someone add another that sort, I check if another answers haven't said the same

@GreenAsJade ok... that "serialisation and deserialisation [requires] the same serialVersionID" part can be considered somewhat answer-y, as long as you understand "can be done using **" as "requires" (can be fixed by editing, which succeeds the audit). BUT it's still a crappy answer reiterating the previous 15 and deserves at least a comment (which succeeds the audit) and likely a downvote (which reveals it is an audit).

3:59 AM

'Night!

Morning!

Afternoon!

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected: Skin care in winter at home on drupal.stackexchange.com

Spam!

cv-plz rec-tools stackoverflow.com/questions/26332592/…

4:05 AM

"sample or tutorial" = too broad or rectool

went for 2B just to be cool :-)

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Q: The "Be Nice Policy" - and Chat

The revised "Be Nice Policy" states: Don't be a jerk. .... Inappropriate language or attention. Avoid vulgar terms and anything sexually suggestive. Also, this is so not a dating site. When a clarification about how this applies to Chat room on the Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) sites, the...

discussion chat etiquette behavior

Looks like @Frank:

Oak, Israel

4.5k 14 40

feature-request discussion status-completed support bug user-interface moderator-abilities

Sock!

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@SmokeDetector Spam gone

is it just me or the SE icon inside onebox doesn't have lower border due to rescaling? (FireFox 32, WinXP)

Morning!

4:16 AM

Morning!

18 mins ago, by Jan Dvorak

Morning!

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/133375/…

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Has the korean escort spam on Ask Ubuntu reduced?

quite rapidly, I'd say

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good to hear that

hiya @inf

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4:29 AM

@SilentKiller hiya

spam still at -4

pong

@InfiniteRecursion 10 days gap. all well ?

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@SilentKiller yes, all well.

:)

4:32 AM

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/241946/…

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12 mins ago, by Jan Dvorak

SPAM http://drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/133375/you-to-take-with-you-whenever-y‌oure-trampling

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected: Skin Care Meta Use for Health on meta.stackexchange.com

Spam ^

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@SPArchaeologist ping ping ping ping

in Sugarcube Corner, Oct 2 at 14:30, by SPArchaeologist

I have asked @InfiniteRecursion if she wanted to help me with the food... but she then hided in her crib again.

@SPArchaeologist Master of nonsense - me? o_O chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2488149#2488149

Meta Spam gone both // Drupal one still there

4:43 AM

More commas, please

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^Grammar nazi

I mean, so that the post could be understood

the grammar nazi part is that there should be no space before the comma

i am tooooo innocent.

ok... double slashes are weird

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--

4:45 AM

unable to edit now. :P

Updated : Meta Spam gone both -- Drupal one still there

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//

spam seed? academia.stackexchange.com/questions/29871/…

yup

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^^^

!!/alive?

@InfiniteRecursion watching this endless list of new questions never gets boring

4:59 AM

Finally Drupal Spam gone.

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/133376/…

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> Dark rounds

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected: How to Choose An Effective Natural Weight Loss on drupal.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 70.0096: How to Choose An Effective Natural Weight Loss on drupal.stackexchange.com

spam ^

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5:09 AM

@JanDvorak Looks like a legitimate question for online-resource on that site, I looked around a bit and found similar questions in the tag : academia.stackexchange.com/q/24516, academia.stackexchange.com/q/603, academia.stackexchange.com/q/199

@Pro Inf is not Angie, angie is my cat, ducks and cats are different things!

mean it is common to ask about institutions and academies on that site. so should flag this or not ?

@ShadowWizard I am honored :)

@Unihedron If it was a jutsu, then your hand signs were not correct :P

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@SilentKiller it isn't a spam seed, so no need to flag it IMO. Let the community deal with it, one member left a comment that the question is OT

Had to google what jutsu means. xP

5:15 AM

@InfiniteRecursion hmm, 'didn't flag that one.

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@Unihedron Pro thinks every female user is Inf's sock :P

o.O

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/241948/…

@Jan tooooo fast.. :P

spam gone

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"Dudes" is a gender specific term, a gender neutral proposal such as folks is better. — Infinite Recursion 15 secs ago

5:18 AM

@InfiniteRecursion meh

in Room for Unihedron and Infinite Recursion, Oct 3 at 9:58, by Feeds

May I Build You a Class of Java?: Female Programmers

posted on October 03, 2014 by Artist

For some reason there aren't many female programmers. Girls - at least in my country - are increasingly better at math and physics. Girls are topping the national results of test and more girls get into university than ever before. Yet, so few girl programmers. My theory, based on growing up as a girl myself, is like so: While girls are encouraged to study, girls are not encouraged to actua…

I've seen "dude" used towards a woman already

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> I've also gotten in the habit of saying "folks" instead of "guys"

@JanDvorak meh

"Them" and "they" are the ones I use !

That thread is longer than Linux source code @Inf :S

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@Unihedron :D

5:31 AM

My LifeHacks proposed Q is getting upvotes :D

Bye!

Bye!

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5:45 AM

naa? stackoverflow.com/a/26330603/2982225

asking question in answer.

cv-plz android usage stackoverflow.com/questions/26333587/disabling-talkback-option

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected: 7 Skin Care in Winter on drupal.stackexchange.com

spam ^

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected: What do you things before use weight loss supplement? on drupal.stackexchange.com

5:59 AM

combo 2x

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6:10 AM

@AndrewT. deleted by OP

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 99.9578: Best and Top Packers and Movers Delhi @ toppackersmovershydelhi.in on math.stackexchange.com

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^Spam

drupal spams down

It seems I got 2 revenge downvotes on my old answers... :/

@AndrewT. just another day at office :)

6:20 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 66.9303: i want order by meta value and pro list first then free in query post string wordpress on wordpress.stackexchange.com

6:36 AM

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5981966 may be those user should not able to approve edit anymore

@NullPoiиteя maybe they just missed it? I didn't notice either on the first look.

... and there's a suggested edit to remove the tag...

its hilarious to add cv-pls in question

rep farm

rejected and edited :D

Why?

6:41 AM

@Unihedron I am slightly disappointed

@JanDvorak rollback ?

@NullPoiиteя I mean, you could have accepted the edit

why that user just added cv-pls in question and than removed it

That was a different one

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 56.9091: Get Real Brain Booster Diet Pills? on drupal.stackexchange.com

6:49 AM

^spam

@hichris123 TP

^spam gone

So @LightnessRacesinOrbit did you have enough of the Tavern and now we won't see you here anymore? ;)

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7:09 AM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/26229613/2982225

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7:28 AM

@ShadowWizard I hope she returns

Good Morning

Good Morning

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Good Morning

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/241955/try-to-hard-muscle

Good Morning

7:34 AM

Good Morning

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@JanDvorak gone

pong

time to cool off my head... been a while checking new Android questions and their qualities

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/133390/…

8:01 AM

Low Quality A (100%): Thanks to everyone, great help., by SvenD, on tex.stackexchange.com.

Low Quality Q (59.1%): hi,Can anyone please tell the usage of process class in this code. I have the following lines of code written in process class, by pooja sharma, on stackoverflow.com.

@InfiniteRecursion She? Are you sure about that? facebook.com/tomalak

user image

See @ShadowWizard, that's when you get when you use avatars that don't really represent you. Luckily we all know @InfiniteRecursion is a duck

@InfiniteRecursion quick, bring the stick! @Bart just called you a duck! :D

/me ducks

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8:22 AM

Lightness Races in Orbit

128k 25 187 364

c++ php javascript jquery mysql c++11 c

> Just an XML girl in a JSON world

^I inferred from that

Low Quality A (100%): thank you for posting solution :), by user87653, on unix.stackexchange.com.

@InfiniteRecursion rule #21: if a user put avatar of a beautiful girl, this is a male user.

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@ShadowWizard Lol. So true.

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected: Weight Loss Reviews should you choose not eat? on drupal.stackexchange.com

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@ShadowWizard o_O

Spam drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/133397/…

@Bart /me wears glasses and finds Bart

8:29 AM

> I opt to simply chuck things while in the basket and obtain the heck out!

This smells like a synonym-bot

@ShadowWizard oh really? ...

@ShadowWizard mostly true, but not always stackoverflow.com/users/1512628/wonder-woman

@InfiniteRecursion down

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@Bart Good you found that one! I was tempted to change my profile image and use the same one as Lightness in order to prove Shadow wrong :P

:(

8:36 AM

@Bart @lostsock well, eh, there are always exceptions, to any rule :D

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@lostsock ....sad, why?

@lostsock how in the world did you find this?! ;)

@ShadowWizard do you really want to know why he's searching for "Wonder Woman"??

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/26335865/…

SPAM superuser.com/questions/825457/…

@ShadowWizard search

?

I found a user account that is spam, but they have no activity except for editing their about me to spam their product. So I can't flag?

I don't want to link here since not appropriate for <18 yr olds, ok, fine, I'll just email team

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8:50 AM

@lostsock flag your own post and mention the details

@InfiniteRecursion good idea, done

I should be productive today and clear some tasks off my plate, no moderation :)

@Unihedron cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/26336158/…

@lostsock Voted

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@Unihedron What happened to "no moderation"?

8:59 AM

!

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"...them next to each other". them who? — Leo 1 min ago

I've been owned

@InfiniteRecursion Pham and Sam :P

@DroidDev .remove(@AndrewT.);

@lostsock .remove(@Stijn); .remove(@SPArchaeologist);

9:04 AM

jump

If that's Java, say hello to compilation errors.

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@Sam tell @Pham to jump faster ;)

@InfiniteRecursion jumps faster

Is this salvageable? stackoverflow.com/a/15615514/3622940 I don't understand graphs.

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@Pham ...and Uni jumps again, just before Sam and Pham can jump to be adjacent :P

9:09 AM

Low Quality A (100%): hdsfvuqewddenbfdkbdjfosljvbdfjdfoisgfddf, by lala, on physics.stackexchange.com.

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@Pham new user account

Oops. >_>

@DroidDev Can I ask you a question?

@Unihedron ya sure, why not :)

Now that I have your attention to post a message, Pham, Sam and Gram are adjacent to each other!

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> Duck into a Net Cafe' (or 'computer shop' as they're commonly called) in most parts of SE Asia and you'll see students hard at work at this type of 'marketing' to make ends meet. They have boilerplate text snippets that they're supposed to use, and customize a bit to look less like spam. It's sad, but I don't blame them, I blame the organizations behind it.

9:12 AM

@Unihedron In the wrong order, again!

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^TIL meta.stackoverflow.com/a/274342/2982225

@Pham @Sam and @Gham are in wrong order! :P

@Unihedron hehe ^

@InfiniteRecursion O_o

@DroidDev u hav prob with tat?

@Gham umm.... no... maybe....

9:15 AM

I didn't know there was even suppose to be an order.

It's official! RGB!

that ^

thoughts? stackoverflow.com/questions/26293584/…

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@Sam Linear ordering isn't possible, because the order is circular Gham(Next to Pham) -> Pham(Next to Sam) -> Sam(Next to Gham)

@lostsock spam

@lostsock spam

9:19 AM

@lostsock spam

@InfiniteRecursion @ShadowWizard @Sam @JanDvorak @Gham spam gone :)

@lostsock spam

@lostsock spam

@lostsock wow, user nuked. Moderator Intervention!

Offensive A (90.9%): If I retweet someone favorites will they get..., by Meow, on webapps.stackexchange.com.

9:22 AM

^ NAA

@Pham NAA

@JanDvorak flags as dupe of Uni's message

@Pham NAA

@Pham concurs

@ShadowWizard flags as dupe of Uni's & Jan's message

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9:25 AM

naa? stackoverflow.com/a/10466814/2982225

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/9110033/2982225

@InfiniteRecursion it's not rec-tool

@InfiniteRecursion That question sucks.

@JanDvorak It's a rec-api.

Did anything interesting happen with LightnessRacesinOrbit while they were here earlier?

@Unihedron so?

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@JanDvorak Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow

@InfiniteRecursion API != library

9:29 AM

@JanDvorak wat

^ That and all three answers kind of renders the thread useless

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^^^

^^^^

^

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Q: Are searches for APIs on-topic?

Is there an API for the Oscars/Academy Awards that lists past winners as well as current nominees? Note that there are several API searches from 3 years ago that are still open, including this Big List question.

discussion scope

cv-pls? stackoverflow.com/q/26336737/3622940

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9:33 AM

I don't see why requesting an API would be any sort of exception to our off-topic reason for recommendations. What makes them so special? — animuson ♦ Sep 18 at 0:22

got convinced

\o/

/o\

////\(::::)\

They should make it so that when an answer gets 3+ "Recommend Deletion" for "Link-only answer (and not spam)", the answer gets converted into a comment.

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9:37 AM

^^^

Just to get rid of another "good stuff is lost" rant.

@Unihedron not all link-only answers provide good links, some are only flagged after going dead, and some are borderline spam.

^

Hmm...

also, some are actual spam that get both a rec-del link-only and a spam flag

9:40 AM

cv-pls i want link or to broad or unclear or whatever stackoverflow.com/q/4886027/3622940

spam stackoverflow.com/a/26247200/3041194 ?

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@lostsock removed the link, still low quality

@InfiniteRecursion I'm pretty sure that code is copied from somewhere. It doesn't attempt to answer the question, and the links do stand out in Jan's script format.

Whoever who wrote /(iPhone)|(iPod)|(android)|(webOS)/i should kill themselves though.

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webOS?

Ikr?! Case insensitivity paired with actual cases, and random capturing groups...

9:44 AM

I wouldn't worry about the capitalisation.

The parentheses suck hard, though.

"spam" gone

-1

A: how to upload multiple images in cakephp 2.0

The best and descriptive solution given here. (Accpeted answer is copied from here) http://www.php-dev-zone.com/2013/08/multiple-images-upload-in-cakephp.html

> (Accpeted answer is copied from here)

Plagiarism flag?

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@Unihedron use custom flag and mention "Plagiarised from <link of original source>"

Thanks for the confirmation, I've never flagged anything for plagiarism before.

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But this case isn't plagiarism, it has attribution

unattributed copying is plagiarism

Where is the attribution @InfiniteRecursion?

9:48 AM

Wait.

I see no correlationship with the accepted answer and the code in that link. o_o

SPArchaeologist

starts dropping a line of breadcrumbs starting from the Sugarcube straight to the crib where @InfiniteRecursion is hidding

@Unihedron look at the Add function

86.84% similarity!

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@Bart My bad, I saw now that the attribution was posted as a separate answer by another user (now removed)

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/25124232/2982225

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/24256450/2982225

cv-pls recomendation stackoverflow.com/q/26328938/2982225

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/26320246/2982225

@SPArchaeologist moves the crib to a new secret location

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