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12:37 AM
B'day
 
2:34 AM
Hey, why was the Review Queue Access privilege raised?
 
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A: Propose a privilege to sit in the 500 reputation mark

apaul34208This may be a little controversial, but perhaps it would be worth while to: Make access to the First Posts and Late Answer Review queues a 500 rep privilege. Hopefully this will prevent the blind from leading the blind. As a possible side benefit it may slow down the badge hunters till they g...

 
thanks
 
 
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7:59 AM
@Bart how long have you been here? Hello!
 
Hola @Mr.Wizard Just came in.
 
Good. I wasn't watching this window.
 
I get what you're saying for smaller sites though. If it works there, great. That's the ideal.
 
When the Mathematica community was on StackOverflow we operated fairly independently of much of the rest of the site. At that time there were not the same review queues, etc., but we still sometimes were frustrated by people closing questions that we wanted open.
 
Well, there are some fairly strong communities on SO
C++ for example is one of them I know
 
8:01 AM
At the same time I know that several members comment on how much better it was "here" in the "mathematica" tag than some of the other tags they participated in.
@Bart Please define "strong" in this context.
 
Knowledgeable users who have a pretty accurate sense of correctness and are to some extent capable of quality control.
Which also sees some users describe them as a nasty bunch
But it's a quality tag within the site I'd say.
 
Okay, I just wanted to distinguish between "strong = good" and "strong = powerful."
 
I assume you've spent some time in SO's review queues? Have you done so lately?
 
@Bart Before, yes, but not lately, no. What should I know?
 
The quality of reviewing is pretty poor. To such an extent that I (and several other users have admitted the same) have almost stopped reviewing.
With that in mind I'd rather have a clear rule on SO that says "no such edits", which everybody can grasp
Than say they are okay if they are correct.
 
8:06 AM
@Bart Okay, that's my take as well.
It is my assertion that other tag communities within StackOverflow would do well to have more internal control, without the schism of a new SE site.
 
I've been thinking of some required experience within a tag to do some of the reviews
But that has its own problems
 
No doubt the Mathematica community has flourished on the new site but there is also something lost with less opportunity for interaction.
@Bart Please elaborate. :-)
 
And I think Mathematica is different enough to be able to survive on its own.
Well
if you put up such an experience threshold, you'd have less reviewers
You'd have problems with some of the less popular tags
Not all reviews require expertise in the tag either
And with the amount of posts and edit suggestions coming in, I'm not sure it's a workable situation.
 
@Bart I guess that depends on what "workable" is. I'm not particularly good at articulating what I mean but I am trying to argue for the benefit of sub-communities. I believe it would be better for some of these communities to flourish than to have all of them dragged down to the same poor level.
 
Are you suggestion to split them out into their individual sites?
 
8:13 AM
In the "mathematica" tag on SO I don't recall there being a lot of bad suggested edits to deal with.
@Bart Certainly not. I'm hoping however to try to bring some of the benefits of a separate site to the SO experience.
 
But then again @Mr.Wizard Mathematica is not as commonplace as a say PHP, JavaScript, C#, C, etc. I haven't used it nearly enough to make any real statement about it, but I don't think I'm far off in saying that not everybody and their grandma is using it.
 
You argue that "less popular tags" won't get reviewed. Okay. Why is that a problem? I suppose there are two situations: (1) total junk edits / spam; (2) neglect.
 
Neglect mostly, I'd say.
Like it or not, the fast paced interaction is one of SO's strongpoints
I've participated on other sites where for example my edits were around for half a day and my flags didn't get handled until the day after
 
In the case of (1) the offenders need some time in the penalty box. (Stop making junk edits.) If it is neglect, isn't that the problem of the tag community? I mean, if people care about the subject they should be reviewing the edits in that tag. In fact, from my experience with the fairly-isolated "mathematica" tag I'd say the sense of community was a strong factor in people taking care of those posts.
 
Though if your interaction takes place in some of the smaller tags, getting the amount of rep to even perform reviews might be a struggle. Though I don't have figures to back it up.
 
8:18 AM
@Bart Surely true, but I don't think that undermines my argument. To the contrary, the huge tags are going to be as they are; there's simply too much volume for it to be otherwise; however, the smaller tags I feel would benefit from a stronger "community."
 
Yes, I've been thinking about how to encourage a greater sense of community within tags, to control their quality. Haven't come up with great ideas though. But if you see how even some of the greater PHP or Android tags complain about quality control issues, I'm not sure how you'd address those.
 
@Bart Theoretically that could be handled by reducing the review threshold within the less popular tags, applicable only to that specific tag.
 
It might be worth hashing out and proposing such a scheme @Mr.Wizard. Though I'm doubtful it will be adopted
 
@Bart It's worth a try. :-) I don't have a clearly thought out framework in mind which is why I wanted to discuss this. I have quite a limited perspective as the vast majority of my participation on SO was within a single tag/community.
 
Hehe, well @Mr.Wizard, if I would have had an idea I would have proposed it already. But it's tricky.
 
8:25 AM
That it is. There is no substitute for good people either. The site I moderate (Mathematica) is a breeze because there are so many good users and so few bad. The entire suggested edits queue could easily be handled by a single user, though people would have to wait a bit longer for approvals.
 
I hope for you it stays that way. Unfortunately SO seems to be a bit of a different beast. It's still good. But it doesn't live up to the utopia it was set out to be. And that requires some seemingly backward measures from time to time.
In any case, time for me to head out and get something done today
 
 
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2:06 PM
I think this old post needs some attention:
http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/170963/deleting-a-comment-with-the-add-comment-textarea-open-removes-the-textarea
There are a recent near-duplicates, but they're all status-completed, and this one isn't fixed

While I'm at it, for this:
http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/164381/editing-a-post-with-a-pending-edit-after-already-reviewing-20-edits
it seems like a feature request, but it's marked support, should I edit it with the feature-request tag or post a new question?
 
 
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5:20 PM
IT'S ALL REAL
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@mootinator How could you not of warned us of this?
 
 
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8:27 PM
@ThiefMaster Hello
 
9:00 PM
Zomg, I AM ZE DEVIL. Look at my rep!
 

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