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7:03 PM
Is Camino for Mac supported by SE?
 
Hi
 
@Fosco Hola.
 
@TimStone no, that's what it's doing.
@PopularDemand sorry, went to lunch, wasn't really thinking I was leaving. Also, yes, I'm certain that unless you put references to final strings in a nested class it will disappear after you exit scope. Else if you do that other thing it still has to mangle a reference to the thing. :p see how smart I am ;)
 
@drachenstern ...what?
 
@PopularDemand exactly
 
7:19 PM
I was with you up until that first thing.
 
Tim hit the nail on the head, the inner block had to make a place, so to speak, for the externally defined final string. Why the gc didn't clear scoped variables I still don't understand, cos you already exited the scope.
All I'm saying is that I followed what it does perfectly from the conversation that happened here. I don't like what the compiler did, but I grok why it does what it does.
 
@drachenstern For what it's worth, it works for final ints and Integers as well. It's not just Strings. Haven't looked at the bytecode yet.
 
a) what kind of language has ints as different from Integers? That's really odd.
b) I would have expected that, given the earlier conversation here. I would also expect it for complex objects.
 
@PopularDemand It works with anything. As long as you still have a reference to it, it's alive.
 
@mmyers Yep. Just wanted to clarify because there was a reference to the String constant pool somewhere earlier.
 
7:28 PM
Yay, meeting is done.
 
The String constant pool is weird and best not thought about, for the most part.
 
Yeah, things that can be directly added to the constant pool are directly added to the constant pool. Failing that, a synthetic field is created on the inner class.
 
yup If you guys are talking about android there is an excellent way to kind weak references to the gc roots
 
@Reno Negative. Java SE.
 
Would this be classified as immobile development?
 
7:30 PM
I'm still trying to figure out if that's "bind weak references" or if "kind" means something I don't grok
 
*find
 
*FIND
 
Oh wow, I thought that was a typo of "bind" as well.
 
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Q: In PHP How to Pass view file value into the Controller file?

newoneHI, Now i was create a MVC pattern application without any framework, Here i need how to pass view file value into the controller file.

^^ What garbage...
There should be a badge for getting to 20 rep and then back to 1. Not.
 
@Fosco Allow me to reprise my earlier related comment:
May 16 at 16:02, by Popular Demand
Oof. 1 rep, 1 gold badge, 1 silver badge, 1 bronze badge? There should be a special dishonorable mention for that.
 
7:43 PM
Encore!
 
yesterday, by Reno
user image
 
hi
anybody on Mac can post a screenshot of their Keychain Access > Preferences > Certificates?
 
@LoïcWolff for what purpose?
 
@PopularDemand lol :)
 
I'm having this issue
and I'd like to know the original setting in this window
 
7:45 PM
 
Its Off Off oCSP
 
both off. thanks a lot
 
@PopularDemand For completeness by the way, to populate the synthetic field in the case of a non-compile-time-constant outer scope local variable, the compiler actually modifies the signature of the constructor you use, and frontloads the outer this and any referenced scoped variables.
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Doh, trying to get this movent smooth in my RPG.
Sooo anoyying.
If anyone here knows (or knows someone who knows) cocos2d and would like to discuss, please ping me.
 
@TimStone That... is a bit difficult to follow. But I think I got it.
It's (still) much appreciated.
 
7:47 PM
Wait. Are we allowed to star useful things in here?
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@mmyers See the top pinned note. I don't see why not.
 
In the Teachers' Lounge we're not allowed to star funny things. I just thought the opposite applied here.
 
@mmyers There are rules in the Teachers' Lounge?!
 
Yes. Enforced by Rebecca's iron keyboard.
 
MyInner(MainClass outerThis, String yourOuterLocalVariable /*, any other parameters you defined */) {
    this$0 = outerThis;
    val$yourOuterLocalVariable = yourOuterLocalVariable;
    // the rest of your constructor
}
basically.
 
7:50 PM
@mmyers By which you mean she has a solid iron keyboard, and physically strikes offending starrers with it?
 
Well, I was going to say "iron fist", but that would be hard to do over the internet.
 
@PopularDemand I'd watch out for her backhand swing.
 
What really happens is that every so often somebody says "Hey, the whole sidebar is filled with un-useful things!" And then drachenstern goes on an unstarring spree.
 
@mmyers You mean Rebecca's iron backwards keyboard.
 
@mmyers or sometimes I do it spontaneously too
 
7:52 PM
This post has got to be the absolute canonical example of a low-quality question, from the point of view of Stack Exchange.
 
Why was my cocos2d comment starred, er, pinned?
 
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Q: i wanto to find each caracter of string palavra in the matix of char

user498670help i wanto to find each caracter of string palavra in the matix of char below and save it in a new matrix of char char [][]Resultado; String Palavra1[]={"CAIBRO","SARRAFO","QUADRADO","VIGA"}; char[][]mat={ {'E', 'G', 'V', 'I', 'G', 'A', 'C', 'K', 'B', 'P', 'H', 'Q', 'Q', 'W'}, {'M',...

 
starred or pinned?
for visibility, of course.
 
Thank you.
 
I'm not a total dictator-a-hole
 
7:52 PM
Wait, when did @drachenstern get control over the room?
 
mwahahahahaa
 
Poor code formatting! Poor the-rest-of-the-post formatting! Bad English! Non-English! Laughable tags! Posted to the wrong site! plz-send-teh-codez! It's all there!
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@PopularDemand Non-Engrish? Rearry?
 
@PopularDemand that was both horrific and awesome at the SAME TIME!!
 
7:53 PM
@PopularDemand Hmm. Not too many Spanish-speaking developers on SO. And I guess that's still the case, since he apparently hasn't found it yet.
 
It was rather like a time-cube!!!
 
I would edit that if it were migrated.
 
I'm really tempted to edit it to add "hi," "thanx" and "URGGGGGNTTTT PLZZZZZZZ" to bring it to absolute perfection.
 
@PopularDemand no no, not "hi" but "Hello my good sir brothers" or somesuch
 
I thought that only happens during the Indian timezone
 
8:02 PM
I'm completely confused about what happened here:
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Q: i wanto to find each caracter of string palavra in the matix of char

user498670help i wanto to find each caracter of string palavra in the matix of char below and save it in a new matrix of char char [][]Resultado; String Palavra1[]={"CAIBRO","SARRAFO","QUADRADO","VIGA"}; char[][]mat={ {'E', 'G', 'V', 'I', 'G', 'A', 'C', 'K', 'B', 'P', 'H', 'Q', 'Q', 'W'}, {'M',...

He posted on SO, it got closed because it was incomprehensible, so he made it much worse and reposted on MSO
 
funny tags too
 
@Moshe Have at the original if you'd like.
 
What is up with this? 2 job offers on a single day..
both from SO
did they just do something? like a new api or feature or something?
 
Oh, I should look at the backlog before I say things
 
@mmyers It's portuguese, according to Google Translate.
 
8:08 PM
@TylerChacha Do they not interview or something first?
You just get random e-mails saying "we'd like you to come work for us, now"?
 
More like: "We're interested", but it still is odd
 
Oh. You should probably stop calling those "job offers"; it's like saying you got married yesterday when a girl smiled at you on the sidewalk
 
ah
the correct term would be...?
 
@mmyers See my attempt and, is it any better?
 
@TylerChacha I'm not sure, actually
Sorry; should use replies :)
 
8:12 PM
@TylerChacha An overture from a recruiter? A cold call? A feeler message? A solicitation of interest?
 
@MichaelMrozek I should read more closely.
 
I should probably stop being lazy and actually fill out my careers profile. I think I'm at like 40%
 
@Moshe Ok, yeah, I saw "palavra" and took it for a typo of "palabra". That's better.
 
eleven
 
@mootinator Exactly.
 
8:15 PM
@TimStone Thanks!
 
I have an idea!
Lisp In Side Parenthesis
It will be an extension to lisp
 
@mmyers Ah, well, not sure the OP deserves to reopen, since it's been reposted on MSO, but, I've done my duty. Feel free to do what you want.
 
8:32 PM
Bam! Just recommended the SE network to another person on Aardvark.
Anyone want to help me compress a resume into one page?
 
Leave off high school.
 
@mmyers I haven't started college yet. Just drop education altogether?
 
No, if you haven't started college yet then you should at least put in your most interesting high school activities.
 
Not much is interesting, most of my extracurricular was my own side projects.
 
but once you get through with college, then drop all HS, unless you were valedictorian or the captain of EVERY sports team for EVERY year
 
8:34 PM
That's fine then. People don't expect high school to be terribly interesting.
 
@drachenstern Of course.
 
@Moshe bear in mind that later you can have longer resumes. Mine is two pages (and nice to look at I think)
 
But that's only a couple of lines
 
of course, now I have a careers.SO page ;)
 
@drachenstern Mine is 4 pages, but I'm doing it wrong.
 
8:35 PM
Yes, you are.
 
@Moshe yes. yes you are.
 
I need a one page something to show to people.
 
that's two pages and I only list three jobs.
 
Bullets.
 
not the 15 or so I have had in the past (idk the exact count)
 
8:35 PM
@mmyers That and the small fonts which I already have. Not good.
 
wooooo scroll bar was stuck...
back
 
Self Destructing link in ... ...
 
most of that needs to be in a portfolio website with links to version control
 
@drachenstern links to version control?
As in, self hosted copies of the works in question?
 
for your sources to demonstrate the sort of code you write
@Moshe no
 
8:37 PM
Can't access. Can you post an image of the first page (scribbling out personal info as necessary)?
 
like to a github
 
How is that working by curiosity?
ppl can browse project your involded in?
 
You're going to start studies again?
 
@Mvy yes, he's going from primary education (high school) to secondary (college)
or is that secondary to tertiary?
 
8:42 PM
What is the goal of this resume? For jobs or college?
 
@mmyers Internships, for now.
 
@mmyers I think the summary's a dead giveaway?
 
Then don't lead off with education.
 
@mmyers Ok, how would you start?
 
@Moshe I see you do have quite the graphic skills with red filled rectangles... with drop shadow. However, they lack... soul. Could you change them to free handed circles.
 
8:43 PM
I would put like a footnote going "graduated hs"
 
be right back, breaking out my elite Paint skillz
 
@drachenstern Footnote on what? My name?
 
also, are you a mad wizard at photoshop? do you write your own plugins?
 
@drachenstern No, not my own plugins. But I can get around.
 
@badpssockpuppet: LOL free handed circles XD
 
8:44 PM
@Moshe sure, if that's where you put footnotes. I tend to put them at the end (of the page or the document, depends on the style guidelines in use)
@Moshe then don't put that down as a skill.
people tend to overplay what they think they are good at.
 
@drachenstern Ok.
 
you might say "experienced in"
 
Experienced freelancer seeks internships to improve on team work skills or something?
 
Say, I should write a plugin for Premiere.
 
Have you had any jobs? I know you have development experience; how much was on your own?
 
8:47 PM
@mmyers Most of it. I've done graphics for a political campaign, worked on several websites for clients.
 
Either way, development experience is a serious plus. If it's on your own, spin it as your passion for your craft.
@Moshe Better and better.
 
Doing work for others is freelance material for a portfolio/resume
 
@drachenstern Mine is two pages and I used to print it front and back; it took a long time for me to realize it didn't occur to people to flip it over
 
a portfolio can still be written
@MichaelMrozek mine is mostly white space (a huge 1/3 margin on the left hand side with just my name at the top)
 
You've got the chops for any internship I know of. You just need to communicate it.
 
8:48 PM
I've found that hiring managers like to write on resumes
 
@drachenstern That's why I like to laminate mine.
 
@mootinator lol
@mootinator I'd prefer to have it laser engraved on the back of an iPad.
The HR person will be very partial after that. :-D
And they will have to flip it over to take notes.
 
^^
 
Kills several birds with one stone. (Or several pigs with one bird.)
 
8:53 PM
@mmyers Thanks.
@mmyers And, thank you.
Ok, time to scrap last December's resume and start over.
 
Indeed
Also, remember: Deliberate whitespace! It gives you a chance to play designer.
 
@drachenstern Right-o.
 
Here's a trick: Only give them like 8 things to know about you.
 
There's an alternative:
 
don't give them four pages
 
8:54 PM
Stabbing people?
 
give them eight very wow things about you
 
And taking their jobs?
 
and then give them a link to a portfolio
 
Dear Jeff and Joel,
I want a job making apps for SE.
 
and nobody cares about references nowadays, they'll ask if they want them
 
8:55 PM
After you transplant their face on your skull, I guess.
 
Sincerely and respectfully yours,
Moshe
 
That could be tricky.
 
</letter>
@mootinator Apps for SE, or transplanting faces on one's own skull?
I'd need to go through med school for the second one.
 
Make sure you include my psychotic interjections in your letter.
 
lmao
that's the other one, a cohesive cover letter.
But I'm pretty sure nobody ever cared about my cover letters
 
8:56 PM
Why?
 
@drachenstern Well, what was on them? (Assumes it the content.)
 
I always wrote amusing cover letters.
 
I rearranged your first page a bit. You probably have better design sense than I do (at least, you list graphic design as a skill), so this is really just an idea.
 
@Moshe "dear so and so, thanks for the opportunity to be the most similar individual you've ever met. please let me come to your company and not starve, and not stay out in the cold"
just normal cover letter stuff, I'll have to find one and forward it to you
 
@mmyers lol at the Nippon reference
@drachenstern Danke
 
8:57 PM
It also depends a bit on how large a company you're applying for. Don't be afraid to have multiple versions of your resume tailored to the specific position.
 
From Coding Horror:
 
One day I wrote 12 letters for 12 companies... all differents
 
 
Wow this program saves a lot of useless data.
 
@Moshe Remember, we know some of your stuff. They don't. So tell them.
 
9:00 PM
@mmyers Thanks. I like the two columns, btw.
 
So do I
 
@badpssockpuppet Those red squares are courtesy of Apple.
@mootinator Which program?
 
@Moshe The one I'm maintaining... :/
 
Erm, how would I describe my app work, considering that my most successful app (~500 downloads in about 3 weeks) is a niche product that most folks will find useless?
 
I shouldn't say useless, I should say complete garbage.
 
9:05 PM
@mootinator - Ouch.
 
I can't get this tune out of my head.
so I thought I'd infect you too. You're welcome.
 
@mootinator Promise it cake if it takes out the trash.
 
^_^
 
@badpssockpuppet I don't know why I'm doing this to myself...
 
The great part starts with the boss fight 11 minutes into the video.
(The build up is awesome too, though.)
@Moshe I think that game is available on the iFoo too.
 
9:07 PM
@badpssockpuppet hehe.
@badpssockpuppet Indeed. it is.
 
I own Bit Trip Beat for PC; it's great. I've seen the iPad version at work and it's not as good; it lags somewhat and the finger input is annoying.
The iPhone version will work certainly better.
Dunno about Core. I can't imagine it working too well on a touch surface tho. Lots of tapping must be involved.
Arr, the good part begins.
 
LOL seems funny
 
Ok really, was going to work on a 1 page resume, but got stuck volunteering to do graphics for gaming.se.
 
9:24 PM
lol
 
9:50 PM
@Moshe I need to do one of those..
 
CV? graphic?
 
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Q: Recurring timeframes in careers profile?

MosheI'd like to be able to input the following value in my careers profile: June 2008 - September 2008, June 2009 - September 2009, June 2010 - September 2010 Even better would be: Fall 2008, 2009, 2010 I've got some experience which, to be honest, doesn't look good repeated three times,...

 
can't help you on that one
did not even know what it looks like
But I think that would be usefull indeed
I Guess it's for internships?
 
@Mvy Si, Señor.
 
10:04 PM
Spanish?
 
@Mvy Yup, I don't speak it, btw.
 
lol
neither do I
Even they are neighbours...
English is more useful to learn I guess
 
10:38 PM
I like the comics in there
 
oh, I just vomited in my mouth a little
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Q: Is it possible to nest GridViews in asp.net web forms?

crocaduck81I am wondering if it is possible to nest GridView's like this? <asp:Panel ID="Panel1" runat="server"> <ContentTemplate> <asp:GridView ID="gvNCReports" runat="server" Width="100%" BackColor="White" AutoGenerateColumns="false" RowStyle-BorderColor="DarkGray" Bo...

 
??
not familiar with grifview at all
 
@drachenstern "Good idea!"
 
> 4 Personally, I yearn for the day when I can light hundred-dollar baths with caviar. – Shog9♦ 22 mins ago
@Mvy I am, however.
 
11:00 PM
good night! going to sleep
 
Apparently, iPads are quite popular in the bathroom. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions.
 
The iPad 3 will be waterproof?
 
lol
I guess I misread the charts. They're more popular than eReaders in the bathroom.
 
Well
That won't revolutionise my life :P
ooh... @GeorgeMarian moderator on : Personal Money and Finance
did not even thought that .se site could exists :P
 
Well, I do take my iPhone into the bathroom with me. So, I could see myself doing the same with an iPad. I am somewhat surprised that the eReaders didn't have a better showing that category.
@Mvy Heh. That's likely the reason it's still in beta. The only parameter which isn't as good as it should be is the questions per day.
 
11:07 PM
How long till the end of beta?
 
shrug
 
And BTW what happens if it fails?
start all over again from definition?
 
Until we can get the questions per day to a more acceptable level.
 
@GeorgeMarian yeah, we're at like 6 on dba :S
@Mvy I'm a mod on dba.se fwiw
 
fwiw?
another accronym to add to the unknown list :P
 
11:09 PM
@Mvy Probably be not. If there isn't enough interest to make a good site, then so be it. However, I think the problem has been an issue of getting attention to the site. None of the mods has a huge web presence, so our efforts have had limited impact.
 
@GeorgeMarian ok
 
@drachenstern We're usually in the 5.5-6 range ourselves.
 
@Mvy for what it's worth
@GeorgeMarian we have the exact same problem but I've started getting in touch with some people, so ...
 
ok
so who's not mod here LOL
 
lol, about half the room ...
idk, as I read the list on the upper right for the lurkers ... I see I think 5 mods up there
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Q: Headsup ~ I'm going to change my name this weekend...

drachensternJust telling the crowd because it's going to be odd seeing the replies to @drachenstern not match anybody in the thread. And because I'm a mod. My new nick will be JColeBrand (I'm going to try and rebrand everywhere I can across the internet).

^^^^ relevant
 
11:13 PM
Rebranding? :D
software upgrade?
 
lol, not reformatting
just that my name will now be "JColeBrand" in all the places that I can find are currently listed as "drachenstern"
 
What made you change your mind?
sick of your nickname?
 
no
I have tried for years to get the drachenstern.com domain name, with no success via contact or sniping
 
arf
 
I recently acquired jcolebrand.{com|org|info|us|biz|net} and I have been using jcolebrand/gmail for years now, so just ready to transition over at some point.
 
11:18 PM
right!
 
I figure this will make me more "adult-like" and it'll be easier when I try to give people my email address and my website.
 
yep
 
spelling drachenstern to people is tricky enough. Telling them if they know my name, to put that in their browser, that's easy enough
 
^^
 
Now I need a good picture
 
11:21 PM
of you?
 
that would be beneficial
 
30 left until next day on SE :D
Should we address to each other with regard to this time?
Like we always tell me good morning when it's almost time to dinner :P
 
I don't understand what you're asking
 
Or maybe try to substitute with a given word. Let's say : flex! Hey how are you this flex? I see you next flex. I saw him this flex, he must have gone afk.
 
it would just be "day" on account of it's UTC
 
11:30 PM
No I'm just lacking sleep I guess :p
 
They invented a solution for that you know
 
I'm UTC+2
This is just that everybody think with it's own time.
So if I say good night to you, it might happen that your in the middle of the afternoon.
 
We are quite well adjusted to that in this room
 
Well it's just stupid considerations :P But that's fun at 1:30 PM
 
I think you need to spend some more time here. We often remark on our local time decisions
 
11:33 PM
Really?
 
or we deride each other with the choice of meals ... so where I may say "yay dinner" someone else goes "you mean, breakfast"
 
:D
 
people are constantly coming and going, check out the histogram for the room activity:
compare that with the histogram for this room from SO
 
Amazing what those chate room are able to display
 
there's almost never no traffic in this room, so we know that there are people here from singapore, japan, india, israel, etc
 
11:34 PM
We should ask for statistics on rooms
 
They are all available for the asking
 
most frequented by <country>
 
what do you want to know?
@Mvy but why? Who cares?
 
or Idk
 
Who does it benefit?
 
11:35 PM
just poped in my mind
idk either
 
it's chat. Nobody cares what country you're from (so long as we all speak the same language)
 
just an idea
true
 
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