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@mootinator I think people are always like that, no matter how good you are at what you do. I'm not going to claim to be the most experienced dev out there, because I'm young and I'm not, but believe me when I say that I have to fend off my share of nuisances too.

jcolebrand

Yeah, but the level of complexity rises (albeit more slowly) as your level of competency rises.

Moshe

What do mean by "level of complexity"?

jcolebrand

of the crap you have to "just help" people with

Moshe

Got it.

jcolebrand

I don't get asked to help reformat pages in word documents, or resize cells in spreadsheets

I get asked to help debug Exchange setups

Moshe

3:48 AM

Ah, I see.

points at message on drachenstern's google chat because he's impatient and unsure if it's open on the other end.

jcolebrand

It's always open. Why don't you SKYPE ME instead, like I always instruct you.

Moshe

I had iChat open already, didn't want to open Skype and Final Cut at the same time. My bad, sorry.

mootinator

=)

jcolebrand

Well, when you want IMMEDIATE feedback, you skype me. When you want pretty quick feedback, you @me in the chat. When you want to talk to me after I see that you're there, you send me gChats

last on that list is facebook

Moshe

heh, at least we share that one.

Tim Stone

3:55 AM

@jcolebrand I was just going to try waving southwardly and hoping you'd eventually notice.

jcolebrand

ouch man

very ouch

:p

Tim Stone

:P

mootinator

4:12 AM

I just wink in @jcolebrand's general direction to get his attention.

jcolebrand

and I am at your service

mootinator

Works every time

I'm just glad people don't ask me to fix their slow computers anymore.

jcolebrand

feels like a puppet

mootinator

Actually, that's not true.

jcolebrand

@mootinator how do you feel about fixing Exchange then? :p

mootinator

4:14 AM

I just don't do it.

It's five years old and full of adware, here's a restore CD, have fun.

@jcolebrand Sooper.

jcolebrand

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/35819/type-1-diabetes/…

Tim Stone

Oh god... shakes head

:P

jcolebrand

I ... I think it was a joke, so I made it one

mootinator

I want to upvote and close vote that.

jcolebrand

lol

so do both!

mootinator

4:19 AM

Off topic. Belongs on english.se. Or something :P

Tim Stone

Linguistics!

And look, it's even already in public beta.

mootinator

Why are people splitting hairs between types of diabetes when there isn't even one vaguely medical related stack up yet?

Tim Stone

Healthcare IT is about to go to beta...although I'm thinking I actually want no part of that....

jcolebrand

@mootinator because it's a joke?

mootinator

I... missed the joke?

jcolebrand

4:23 AM

there's a TV commercial where the guy calls it "die uh beet us" here in the US

it's all about the pronounciation

Tim Stone

Heh, me uncommitting dropped it down a percent, whoops.

Wilfred Brimley?

jcolebrand

cos most people say "die ah beet ees"

@TimStone I think so

Tim Stone

(or however his name is actually spelled)

mootinator

I mean I missed the joke behind the proposal, not behind your question.

jcolebrand

oh, something about waffles in the TL

Tim Stone

4:28 AM

It turns out that Wilford Brimley was once a bodyguard for Howard Hughes, go figure.

jcolebrand

afk

mootinator

SE stinks. I require my gratification to be more instant.

jcolebrand

on what?

you have to share with us when you want more instantness

mootinator

I have nothing worth sharing..

I'm just being whiny.

Speaking of which.

jcolebrand

afk

mootinator

4:33 AM

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/421/whining-room

Quick, before it dies!

Moshe

5:29 AM

45 minute Skype call on thurs, scope creep averted.

mootinator

5:54 AM

Ha

jcolebrand

6:16 AM

Ok, who's still up?

George Marian

@jcolebrand Eh?

jcolebrand

nm, I figured it out

I'm kinda slow

George Marian

heh

Moshe

6:47 AM

aH

Typed out a schedule for tomorrow and I seem to only be covered until about seven thirty in the evening. Ruh Roh.

jcolebrand

ok, why doesn't this put a block of text before the element?

div.thing div.entry a.title {
    font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif;
    color: #6B1919
    }
div.thing div.entry a.title:visited {
    color: #43196D
    }
div.thing div.entry a.title:visited:before {
    content: "SEEN: ";
    font-size: 80%;
    color: blue
    }

I know it matches ... I know the link has been visited because the color is changing per the first two rules

and if I do this: it works as well

div.thing div.entry a.title:before {
    content: "NEW: ";
    font-size: 80%;
    color: blue
    }

but obviously I want to change the text for :visited

Moshe

Not sure, perhaps you need a space before :before? Or some sort of precedence thing like parentheses? (Haven't touched CSS in quite awhile.)

Pekka

7:12 AM

@jcolebrand hey, cool idea!

jcolebrand

except it doesn't work

Pekka

No idea why it doesn't work - it might have to do with the double pseudo selectors...

Which browser(s) are you looking at it in?

Building a fiddle

jcolebrand

Chrome, IE9

Pekka

Indeed, I can reproduce. Hmmmm

jcolebrand

When I tried it with a.title:link:before it worked

but not with a.title:visited:before

(same for :after)

Pekka

7:16 AM

Very strange. The W3C are not saying anything about the :visited class that could explain this (w3.org/TR/CSS2/selector.html#link-pseudo-classes)

Ahh hang on, I think I know what this is

Or why it is

> UAs may therefore treat all links as unvisited links, or implement other measures to preserve the user's privacy while rendering visited and unvisited links differently. See [P3P] for more information about handling privacy.

Remember the "I can use CSS to find out whether you've ever visited YouPorn" thing?

I think this is a side-effect of the counter-measures all browsers eventually took against that.

Something along the lines of, you can't apply any properties on :visited that you can later query through JS in order to find out whether a link is visited.

This is just my speculation but I'm fairly sure that is it, because it indeed works with :link:content

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

Yeah, this

Also, as part of the security measures only a limited number of CSS properties can be applied to :visited pseudo-class

Pekka

@YiJiangs独角兽 yup, that is it.

Too bad - it means @jcolebrand probably can't do what he wants to do. It's such a nice idea

jcolebrand

@YiJiangs独角兽 can you isolate which ones?

@Pekka yes, I remember that.

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

The properties? Mostly text styling and borders I think

jcolebrand

dangit, that sucks

if I could only remove the content when they're visited, that would work too :-\

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

7:22 AM

hacks.mozilla.org/2010/03/…

> We’re limiting the CSS properties that can be used to style visited links to color, background-color, border-*-color, and outline-color and the color parts of the fill and stroke properties.

Pekka

I wonder whether this still can be circumvented using a "make a canvas out of my HTML and detect a specific pixel's colour" method. Something to think about on a less busy day :)

jcolebrand

Perhaps I can use background-color to do what I want then :\

@Pekka this is for a subreddit, I can't add javascript. If I could, I could easily change the text color by one tick and detect that

But what I could do is to use background-color to my benefit, I think

Pekka

@jcolebrand yeah, I meant rather as a hack to get the CSS history vulnerability working again :)

jcolebrand

I shall try that tomorrow

for now tis bedtime ;-)

Pekka

@jcolebrand yeah, probably the only way!

Tim Stone

8:11 AM

Hmmmm, somehow I don't think that's the intended results page of me having "Report[ed] an error" with a phishing alert from Chrome...

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

10:05 AM

dl.dropbox.com/u/1722364/Books/The%20Meaning%20of%20Liff/…

hippietrail

is this the best chat room for wondering about possible bugs or missing features?

or maybe the best chat room for being empty on rainy albanian weekends (-:

balpha

I don't know about the second part, but for the first part: certainly yes :)

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

12:09 PM

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Q: What to do with newbs?

What do you guys do with new team members that are green? I have a hard time figuring out what to do. I try to give them what I think is easy, but inevitably I turn out to be wrong. Not their fault that colleges fail to teach useful skills, but realizing that doesn't help me figure out how to ...

I cannot remember the policy regarding whether or not the migrate old posts

awoodland

2:06 PM

are questions regarding moderation of SO topical in this room?

Pekka

@awoodland Depends

Why not ask away.

awoodland

basically I just got access to the 10k tools on SO, looking through the flag queue seems to be self explanatory except for the questions which are problematic but flagged for the wrong reason (e.g. off-topic, but with a poor migration suggestion)

trying to work out what if anything to do with those

i.e. invalid and vote to close seem to be mutually exclusive buttons

Pekka

Right, good question. Not sure what the right way to go is there

I guess voting to migrate with the right suggestion is a good way to go (if it's possible, ie. if the right site is in the list)

awoodland

I have a feeling I saw a question about that on meta itself not too long ago, but my searching seems to be weak

Moshe

4:42 PM

i-programmer.info/news/99-professional/…

mootinator

7:33 PM

Oy.

-1

Q: 500 - Internal Server Error in Published Site (asp.net)

Asp.Net 'and then publish the site with FileZilla I my host update. But now I get the following error: 500 - Internal server error. There is a problem with the resource you are looking for, and it can not be displayed. This is why the issue of stem searched. Settings in the web.config fil...

asp.net server internal

Moshe

10:41 PM

GLaDOSiri

Heh.

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