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Rebecca Chernoff

9:01 PM

Makes sense. Once I get my new desk set up I'll have to play around with things.

Michael Mrozek

9:13 PM

Ok, privilege notifications use the rep displayed on the site, not /reputation, right?

I've been in a 13 hour argument with a 95k rep user about this

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff That's silly

@MichaelMrozek Hmm, I don't have a source but yes.

It's really the only thing that makes sense.

@Pekka That's an interesting setup!

George Marian

9:29 PM

wonders if it was the wireless functionality that was causing his router to reboot quite often

Tim Stone

Doesn't seem like a particularly well-designed piece of hardware if that's the case :P

George Marian

No. No, it's not. It's a TrendNet. =(

Tim Stone

Heh, I actually had to look that brand up.

donates to the George Marian Router Foundation

George Marian

heh

Tim Stone

What was happening? It was just restarting and dropping your wired connection a lot?

George Marian

9:38 PM

Yah, I'm hoping it remains stable. While I would like to have the wireless one for our iPhones, that's not the reason I finally hooked-up the router.

Tim Stone

excuses himself a moment while he chokes

George Marian

@TimStone Randomly rebooting.

Tim Stone

Hm, that's pretty obnoxious of it. :/

George Marian

At least it, appears to be a reboot. It doesn't take very long to reboot. Which is good, since every setting change requires a reboot. =/

Thankfully, it was free. But, right now I can't justify buying what I'd like to buy for the wireless functionality.

Tim Stone

Ouch. I get annoyed when I have to reboot my D-Link for some settings, but thankfully it does most changes without needing to.

Ah yeah, definitely better to wait until you have some spare cash around than to pick up something cheap or otherwise necessary to replace in a year or so, heh.

George Marian

9:42 PM

Currently, I need a router in my "home office," so I can bring up a server on my old tower. Though, as noisy as the thing is, it may just end up in a corner of the living room or stuffed into closet.

Tim Stone

What's noisy on it? The fans?

George Marian

@TimStone My decent Netgear switch is in the living room, basically acting as a wire-splice. :)

@TimStone Yah, very high output 80 mm fans.

It's an Athlon XP system. Toasty is an understatement. :)

Tim Stone

Nice, heheh.

Oh boy, hahah. I have a heatsink from an old Athlon XP system laying around, that thing is massive (and stock..).

George Marian

Yup. I used a Swiftech, which weighs about a pound. It fell off during shipping.

A friend of ours did me a favor by cleaning out the entire system, while it was sitting in his garage during our move.

I'm not too excited about the heatsink and fan he used, but it saved me the need to futz with it. So, I hope it is good enough. It's not going to get as much heavy use as it did when it was my desktop, so it should be ok.

Tim Stone

Yeah, if you aren't putting too much constant strain on it I'd imagine it should be fine.

Rebecca Chernoff

9:51 PM

hrm

Tim Stone

I've contemplated starting to run Folding @ Home's multicore client and two instances of the gpu client again on my desktop and then using the exhaust to heat half of my house ;)

George Marian

@TimStone lol

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Wait, what? I thought you went up to 24 down?

There appears to be something wrong with that picture :P

Rebecca Chernoff

But then I run the test again a second later and it is back to 5.98, .91

Yeah, 24/3 is the new tier.

Tim Stone

You should sign up for the FCC network test too.

Rebecca Chernoff

9:55 PM

Say wha?

Tim Stone

Also:

22 hours ago, by Tim Stone

Hmm, 11.59 down, 1.44 up from here on Uverse, heh.

Not sure what the pricing tier here is though.

Rebecca Chernoff

12/1.5 is one of the tiers

Tim Stone

Ah, seems like it's fairly reliably in these parts then.

Rebecca Chernoff

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Tim Stone

Ah :)

The fact that they won't even claim a higher upload speed for the max service is pretty lame, heh.

George Marian

9:58 PM

Gotta love the naming scheme. Talk about short-sighted.

Tim Stone

Max Turbo Ultramega Plus Infinity

Dec 21 '10 at 0:23, by drachenstern

interesting ... http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1125961 that look right?

George Marian

"Go past the max! Reach over the top!"

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian They took the Snapple approach to the best getting better.

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone Is there a link to the signup I'm missing there?

George Marian

@TimStone lol

Tim Stone

10:00 PM

@RebeccaChernoff No, but I originally thought it had one. I was just wrong. :P

Sec, lemme pull up my email.

testmyisp.com/index.php

Rebecca Chernoff

you have one?

Tim Stone

I confirmed my thingadongdong before the holidays, so once they're back to work I should have one on its way to my house.

George Marian

So, what is this magical whitebox?

Tim Stone

It's just a Netgear router that simulates user activity between your endpoint and their servers to gather metrics about your actual connection speed for the purposes of comparing against the advertised values.

George Marian

Ah, I see.

Tim Stone

10:05 PM

Basically the FCC wants to see if ISPs are even coming close to providing the services that they advertise, since they always asterisk a speed with "may not reflect actual speeds during peak usage blahblahblah".

So if you pay for one service, but really get the service of a much lower tier...there's an issue there, heh.

George Marian

How valid are those numbers though? Granted, most of the time my limiting factor is throttling on the sever end. I tend to get max throughput to a server that I can hammer.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Can't stay long, have cooking to do, but wanted to wish a happy New Year to @Tim and @GeorgeMarian!

Tim Stone

Thanks! And enjoy your cooking, which I'm sure you'll share with us. ;)

George Marian

@TheUnhandledException Happy New Year to you, too!

Tim Stone

Happy New Year to you too :D

George Marian

10:08 PM

Whacha cookin?

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian I'm assuming that they've figured out something to get them reliable enough that they can tell if anyone is really being malicious about it.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Spiral cut ham, sweet potatos, blackeye peas, and asparagus with cheese sauce :-)

Going to be a nice New Year's feast over here

Tim Stone

I'll pass on the sweet potatoes, not my cup of tea ;)

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

(Blackeye peas are a traditional Southern good luck meal)

@TimStone really?

Tim Stone

True fact.

George Marian

10:09 PM

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Sounds tasty. I think I'm gonna miss out on the feast at our friend's house. I'm feeling rather crappy. That said, the gf did promise to bring some home if I don't make it over.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

ug, sorry to hear that! I hope you feel better @George

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian Ouch, that sucks, feel better!

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

I wasn't feeling 100% this morning but it could be the partying last night. Which explains my lampshade

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Rebecca Chernoff

oy

George Marian

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException lol

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

10:11 PM

Ok I'm outta here before @RebeccaChernoff breaks into more yiddish. Shlamazel!

George Marian

Thanks guys. Both the gf and I were quite sick about a week ago. Apparently, I've relapses or something.

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Enjoy the feast!

Rebecca Chernoff

Being sick is no fun

Tim Stone

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Hahahah, good stuff.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@GeorgeMarian Ug. Feel better soon! Catch you guys later.

Tim Stone

Ah yeah, just in case anyone was wondering, there was indeed an oy joke at the Last Comic Standing live thing last night. :P

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See ya!

Rebecca Chernoff

10:14 PM

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Why is this shlamazel? Or am I confused about the meaning?

Tim Stone

Hmm, I apparently broke something and now can't figure out why..

..And it's apparently the entire SO dev team's fault. Seems likely.

Rebecca Chernoff

hehe

George Marian

@TimStone Do you have any idea if proximity to a wireless repeater could be causing my cheapo router's wireless woes? Assuming that is indeed the issue. I thought it could be running too hot, since placing it on top my case's exhaust fans seemed to clear it up last night. So, the jury is still out. Just because it hasn't flaked out on me yet doesn't mean that I've found the issue. It was working fine for a while last night.

Tim Stone

Hm, I'm no authority, but I wouldn't think so...If devices couldn't connect, then sure, but I don't see why that'd cause the device to reboot. Does the router have a status log? I'd have been much more inclined to blame the heat, anyway.

George Marian

@TimStone Yup, it has a status log. I guess I could enable debug information and hope that provides useful information. The current long doesn't seem to shed any light on the situation.

Tim Stone

10:25 PM

Worth a shot at least. I figure it must be getting overwhelmed somehow, just have to figure out in what way, heh.

George Marian

@TimStone Yeah, that's why I was wondering about the repeater. It's on the other side of nearest wall. (The apt "complex" has free wi-fi and there's a repeater just outside my apt.)

Tim Stone

Ah, gotcha. Hm, and turning off the wireless radio on the router seems to help, or you aren't sure?

George Marian

Unfortunately, I have nothing handy can I can use to check what channel the repeater is on.

@TimStone It's been fine so far, but it's been fine for this long before as well. So, I'm not certain that is the issue, yet.

Right now it's sitting my desk, instead of on my pc's topside exhaust fans. Not that I haven't pretty much eliminated heat as an issue.

Tim Stone

Hmm..

George Marian

Indeed.

Tim Stone

10:50 PM

Damn, sudden bout of tiredness yawns

George Marian

@TimStone You have a pretty random sleep schedule, right?

Tim Stone

Yeah, for the most part. Though the last few days it's been fairly normal I guess...and I've been sleeping a lot, heh (I'm not at home).

Hmm, haven't had any caffeine today either, that seems rather tragic.

George Marian

heh

I went without caffeine for a quite a while the last time I was out of work. I was surprised that I didn't need it. Granted, I did drink lots of Pepsi. Now, I limit myself to 2 cups a day, usually. Though, I do believe I've built up quite a tolerance. I was drinking coffee like it was water at my last job.

Tim Stone

It doesn't seem to do much for me at this point, but my body gets angry when I don't have it, heh...headaches and such.

ChrisF

@GeorgeMarian I had to give up coffee at work because I was drinking so much I got withdrawal symptoms at weekends.

George Marian

11:00 PM

The headaches come from the fact that caffeine is a vasodilator.

@ChrisF On weekends I used to drink a venti from Starbucks in the afternoon and then promptly fall asleep on the couch. That was interesting.

ChrisF

Not good

George Marian

The problem was the poor sleep that I was getting. Now that I'm on a more regular sleep schedule, i don't experience the afternoon dip quite as much.

@ChrisF Ironically, caffeine is not a stimulant. So, taking a nap after drinking coffee is not as odd as I thought it was.

Tim Stone

I wish I had time for a regular sleep schedule ;)

ChrisF

Oh - but then a lot of things aren't what everybody thinks.

Tim Stone

Although it seems there is indeed a break in my chat activity graph again.

ChrisF

11:05 PM

A lot of the effect of hangovers (well mine) are due to dehydration.

George Marian

@TimStone Yah, sleep is important. I still remember my college psych professor urging us to make sure we get the sleep we need, because you can never truly get out of sleep debt.

ChrisF

If I get really dehydrated I get migraines - which to me are virtually indistinguishable from my hangovers. So I try and drink plenty of water these days. Not coffee as it's a diuretic.

George Marian

It's only a mild diuretic. Not even as strong as alcohol.

ChrisF

@GeorgeMarian But when you drink lots of large mugs of strong coffee it is :)

George Marian

@ChrisF Fair enough. I tend to prefer lattes, which have plenty of liquid to go w/ the caffeine.

It's along the lines of the difference between beer and liquor. Both will dehydrate you, but when you drink beer you have to visit the bathroom much more often. :)

ChrisF

11:10 PM

I've drunk black coffee all my adult life. I didn't have access to a fridge in the halls of residence during my first year at university and I couldn't stand the taste of whitener.

George Marian

I prefer the real deal in my coffee. I've even stopped using Coffee Mate, since it's mostly oil. =/

Rebecca Chernoff

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Coffee = Gross.

(:

Tim Stone

Don't you dare say...dammit :P

shakes fist at mild RDP lag

George Marian

@RebeccaChernoff Blasphemy!

Good coffee is tasty! Most coffee is crap, though.

Good coffee you can drink black and actually enjoy it.

Rebecca Chernoff

How can people drink something that smells so damn nasty? I don't get it.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

11:15 PM

@RebeccaChernoff ...!

is all I have to say

Rebecca Chernoff

lol

George Marian

@RebeccaChernoff Whachoo talking about, Willis? I like the smell of coffee.

Rebecca Chernoff

ew

Moshe

Hiya all.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I keep telling you, whatever you think you were smelling wasn't coffee. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

11:17 PM

lol

not exactly

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Happy new year @Moshe

Not Rosh Hashana but a new year all the same :-)

Moshe

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException - It was, until the idiots outside started screaming at midnight.

George Marian

It's funny, 'cause I used to make coffee for my parents before going to school back in the day. Initially, I couldn't stand coffee. Then I started liking the smell of fresh ground coffee and it's grown on me since.

Moshe

heh.

true.

thanks.

George Marian

Hey @Moshe, Happy New Year!

Moshe

11:19 PM

@GeorgeMarian, Thanks, same to you.

Tim Stone

I get the impression that it's time to eat dumplings...

goes to verify

George Marian

That reminds me, I need to eat something.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@TimStone yum!

@Moshe It is New Year's after all... :-)

23 hours ago, by Michael Petrotta

^^ @Moshe

Michael Petrotta

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException: turned out to be fairly accurate.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

LOL, didn't know you were here @MichaelPetrotta :-)

Michael Petrotta

11:27 PM

Yep. Chat notifications are neat, btw. Got a piece of toast from @NeedsMoar.

George Marian

@MichaelPetrotta What am I missing in the cartoon?

ChrisF

Calling it a night. See you all later.

George Marian

@ChrisF g'night

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Later @ChrisF!

Michael Petrotta

Night, Chris

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

11:29 PM

@MichaelPetrotta Wait so chat notifies you if someone quotes you?

Michael Petrotta

@George: it was in response to someone asking me the other day, what I had planned for new years. That's midnight fireworks outside the window, and presumably a SE site on the monitor (would be WoW, probably, if I was so inclined)

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@MichaelPetrotta That someone was me, sans lampshade and with a slightly different name

Michael Petrotta

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException: if you turn notifications on. There was a link to to that, just under the starred items at right. I turned it on, so I don't see the link anymore.

George Marian

I guess what throws me off is that I expected him to smile in the last frame.

Michael Petrotta

@George: naw, he's cranky guy.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

11:31 PM

@GeorgeMarian he's perturbed by the interruption

that's how I read it, anyway

Rebecca Chernoff

lol

George Marian

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Fair enough.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Damnit, these people and their celebrations! I just want to cast my downvotes in peace! EDIT And stay off my lawn you kids!

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George Marian

lol

Michael Petrotta

@The: lol

Moshe

11:32 PM

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException - Heh, yep.

Sorry, internet went down.

Michael Petrotta

@Moshe: the whole thing?

Moshe

@MichaelPetrotta - Yes, Y2K11 :-)

George Marian

Gah. I think one of the worst things about being sick is being hungry, feeling like you need food, but not wanting anything to eat.

Moshe

I hate having coding problems on weekends. No coders are on SO...

On the bright side, two apps, one of them an update, one of them new are now approved for the app store.

George Marian

Nice.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

11:35 PM

Michael Petrotta

@The: hrm?

Moshe

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException - What?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

It's from the South Park episode, "The Day The Internet Died"

Moshe

Ah

All in favor of collectively calling iPhone, iPad and iPod touch "iDevices" say "aye" (or "oy").

Michael Petrotta

@Moshe: already done.

Greg Hewgill

11:37 PM

or "i"

Moshe

@MichaelPetrotta - I know. actually.

@GregHewgill - Heh

Michael Petrotta

Sitting around at Christmas, at my brother's house, all of us on what my sister-in-law calls iDevices, including the 11yo on her Touch, and the 7yo on her dad's IPad.

Moshe

ah

@MichaelPetrotta - That's a cardinal sin - capital "i" in iDevice names.

Michael Petrotta

@Moshe: typo. I know better.

Moshe

@MichaelPetrotta - just pointing it out. (You can still edit, quick!)

Rebecca Chernoff

11:39 PM

lol

Michael Petrotta

@Moshe: don't really care enough to. But thanks.

Moshe

@MichaelPetrotta - okay.

Michael Petrotta

I downloaded Wikipedia to my iPad after I got it, so I'd never be without "Internet".
Unfortunately it sucked. Good idea, though.

Moshe

11:52 PM

@MichaelPetrotta - They have an app?

Rebecca Chernoff

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