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12:00 AM
Well, I think it is better if she just lives in her false sense of security. No harm will probably come to her, and she'll be happier.
 
Internet privacy is an oxymoron
 
12:18 AM
Seth Godin is a very interesting individual
 
12:41 AM
So... what did she said that prompted her to have those privacy settings?
 
> I'm planning to kill the president
> who's in?
 
ha (also, reply to comment is cool)
 
@JuanManuel She started to talk about her interests
it got a little personal and I told her..
 
As in... ?
wait, let me scroll up
 
I'll permalink it
 
12:44 AM
prediction: cat fricassee
 
here's the start of the conversation:
in The Tavern (General), 2010-08-06, by Juliet
no a gamer, my vice is chatrooms
and the bad part is removed
(Click on the link to view the transcript)
 
Well, that's no fun then.
 
I told her:
 
that's pretty normal...
 
in The Tavern (General), 2010-08-06, by Chacha102
You realize this is all archived... forever?
 
12:46 AM
whoa, yeah - what sort of Internet user likes porn?
LOL
 
Well, not out there. But, she then said:
in The Tavern (General), 2010-08-06, by Juliet
but I'd never admit that to a bunch of strangers
Which kinda clue'd me into thinking she didn't know it was archived
 
or public at the moment
 
I wonder if she knows that The Penalty Box exists as a direct result of IRC conversations...
 
i mean, even if it's not archived, there are strangers to her right now
 
I really don't think she gets all of the dangers out there
 
12:51 AM
i expect she's aware, but doesn't actively think about it because it hasn't bitten her yet
Showing up in a Google search, that kinda opens your eyes
I mean, I went through resumes yesterday, and you better believe I googled each name before even bothering to read the rest!
 
BTW, one of my articles ranked 7 in a Google search for "Multimedia Blogging"
I thought that was cool
 
i had somewhere on the first page for "crash IE" for a bit
...but that was mostly due to posting a page that did nothing but crash IE
 
1:05 AM
Frankly, I think right now the (removed) things are hazardous. Unless they show up in the transcript, whats the point?
 
(removed)
 
make heavily-redacted conversations less confusing
 
@Shog9 I get the benefits. But if the transcripts don't have it, which are suppose to be the record, anyone looking back will have more trouble trying to figure out what is happening than the people who were there
(removed)
 
i didn't realize they didn't show up in the transcripts
haven't really spent much / any time looking at transcripts
if so, then that sounds like a bug.
 
Yeah, Marc and the peeps know about it too
I think it is that the chats are actually deleted
 
1:08 AM
Yeah, I was (removed) about (removed) when (removed) came and (removed) (removed). I couldn't believe it!
 
and that the blip is only a placeholder
there isn't anything in the database when a message is removed
I still have a standing request that we should replace every noun, verb, and adjective with a form of jQuery
I jQueried the jQuery while jQuery jQueried jQuery, and then jQueried jQuery twice more before jQuerying the jQuery to the jQuery.
There has been 2,200 messages sent in the Tavern
2nd place is Gaming with 3,700 messages. 1st is Chat Feedback with a whopping 5335 messages.
and the Meta chatroom has 2.
 
Is that 3700 including or excluding our spammy feed?
 
I believe excluding
 
yes, this one
 
Mmhmm
 
1:14 AM
0
Q: Change all nouns and verbs to form of the word 'jQuery'

Chacha102Or in more jQuery-friendly terms: jQuery all jQuery and jQuery to jQuery of the jQuery 'jQuery'. So, jQuery is a crucial part in every web developer's life. It is what makes the browser come to life and do what we want. In honor and recognition of the fact that the only thing a web develop...

 
and I think the thing is a bit buggy, but it says last month (before SO Chat was technically released), you have 4700 messages
giving you a ~8,000 message total
 
We had a lot of chatting during the private beta of chat, that's probably where it comes from
 
yeah
So currently the standings are
Gaming -> ~8,000 Messages
Chat Feedback -> ~6,000 Messages
Tavern -> ~2,200 Messages
 
eh, Grace Note, why aren't you in Wave? Enjoy the threads while you got 'em, man - 'fore long, this'll be all there is...
 
I'm right there!
 
1:16 AM
You guys are waving?
Invite me! chacha102@googlwave.com
Hello @JeffAtwood
 
wave is in eternal alpha
I stopped using it a while back
is it better now?
 
oh, good, I was just testing to make sure our greetings-bot was still working :)
 
Google finally pulled the plug
 
well, it is as good as its going to get
 
I had heard, we had one running
 
1:19 AM
I never did get wave to not lag/crash my browser (Chrome) on large "waves"
 
@JeffAtwood I also do Conferences and Tuberware Parties :)
 
@rchern, google pulled the plug on Wave?
that's the first i've heard
 
Google didn't pull the plug. They waved goodbye. :P
 
It's going to cease support and development at the end of the year, @JSBangs
Or so I've heard
 
1:21 AM
well, it was never good
 
now i feel so much better about never spending any effort to care about it in the first place
 
I found it somewhat useful
 
I tried to care. I wanted to care.
 
Not nearly as useful as I would have liked
 
not caring about things is such a useful strategy
 
1:22 AM
says you don't have a google wave account...
 
wanna start a pool on how long Buzz lasts?
 
According to the profile thing, this is my address: chacha102@googlewave.com
 
hmm.. buzz is kinda cool
it's like twitter but with per-post comments!
 
i kinda liked buzz, too
 
I hate that buzz is in Gmail
 
1:23 AM
like, present tense. i'm still on it. but i'm the only one in my social group.
 
It's the same doll -- but the hat is new!
 
so it's pretty pointless
 
if it wasn't, I'd be all over it
Mainly because they refuse to make Google Apps and Regular Google Accounts play nice together
 
@juan careful with your mean Wave comments, you'll make @Shog9 cry
 
I really wish Google would focus more on their existing projects than coming up with new crap that ultimately fails
Like making the Account management more streamline and easier to deal with
or getting rid of bugs that people have complained about for ages
 
1:27 AM
Wait, you want usability out of Google? That's like asking for usability from Facebook.
 
yea the accounts thing is out of control, completely. though they did do this, did you see
 
The multiple accounts? Yeah.
 
Ah, yes - the "e" is important.
 
That does solve a few problems for me. But the biggest problem is the Google Apps vs Regular Google. I can't use just one if I want access to the entire suite of apps.

I like Google Reader = I have to use Google Accounts. I like having an @chacha102.com domain = Google Apps.
 
1:29 AM
you're absolutely right, they wasted how much time on wave and they coulda fixed core biz
though, wave had some HTML5 POC advantages. but they spent millions beyond that
 
All because it was bright and shiny new technology...
 
You think that's bad? MS wasted years on Vista, while the XBox was suffering from RRoD
 
html5 ultimately helps google though
 
So, we've came to the conclusion. Big Companies are Idiots. :P
 
I don't think it's that simple. Big companies can afford to try sketchy crap... and therefore must try sketchy crap if they want to continue being big companies. It's R&D - if you stick with what's already making you money, then the next guy who's sketchy crap works will eat your lunch.
 
1:34 AM
man @shog9 is a guy who loves his threads
 
they could use fewer clicks though
 
It is weird threading. Why not just include the quote? (:
 
@Shog9 even today I was reading that Google strives to build and fail their projects as quickly as they can, so they can move on
 
There was this one description I love
Google's Search Engine is like a Giant Money Machine
and every venture they put out is a smaller machine
trying to become another big machine
 
I love them like I love taffee... And I'm a man who enjoys his taffee.
 
1:37 AM
I don't have any taffee near me
 
Survival of the fittest. How many cold viruses die so that one can make it past your insane immune system
 
I prefer chocolate
2 billion
 
@rchern, if you mouse over the replied message gets highlighted. Copying it could make a lot of redundant information when abused like @Shog9
 
...man, i miss editing other people's posts...
 
2 things though.
1) That assumes the other message is still visible.
2) That assumes I'm going to touch my mouse to hover or something.
 
1:40 AM
yeah, chat is pretty mouse intensive
 
yeah, this is kind of a big down-side. Although you can click the little arrow and jump to the message.
 
:58983 I don't like that
 
(in a new window, unfortunately)
 
I can't reply to my own message...
 
Keep in mind, this thing really doesn't have threads. If you have several completely different conversations going at once, I think the idea is that you'll break one of them out into a separate room. Or just kill it.
 
1:41 AM
hotkeys FTW
 
No, but you can reply to messages sent in the future...
 
wooo
 
the INTENT of replies here is to indicate you're replying to something OTHER THAN the last thing the person said
because, if you're replying to THIS RIGHT HERE, I don't need any infographics to tell me that, yo
 
testing time travel
 
Everything in this chat requires a mouse and a zillion tabs.
 
1:43 AM
only the stuff that matters.
 
@JeffAtwood Is it possible to change the icon to make it something ... more... obvious?
 
See, the problem is, I can't tell if someone else is typing. So I gotta assume that by the time i get a reply out, there's gonna be other messages left in between.
I can edit in the reply thing afterwards, if necessary... But that's even less intuitive
 
So, if you highlight over an @reply, it shows you the last thing that person said
and if you highlight over a weird arrow reply, it shows you the message that it points to
 
Oh, yeah - the whole reply vs. @reply thing is confusing as well.
 
Aren't you guys suppose to have an FAQ or something?
I'm surprised Evan hasn't came in yet. I bet he would be a load of fun
 
1:53 AM
> WTF, this got migrated to meta? Surprise! That comes with a curse! I hope the guys you work for come in next week, glance at your code, and shuffle it around for no good reason
 
linky?
 
Linked.
 
lol
I'll have the last laugh!
I shuffle around my own code...
> The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits, stupidity on the other hand…
 
hmm, I use ctrl+tab to navigate to different rooms, press shift+tab then shift+space to scroll up (n' space to scroll down), then tab to get back
but, I'm crazy that way
 
Because you have multiple tabs open?
Because when I currently press Ctrl+tab, it takes me to my next tab, not the next room.
 
2:09 AM
yeah one room per tab
 
I find that to be frankly a little crowded. Why have all that open when there isn't much conversation going on? Like right now.
It would be nice if something like Shift + T when not selecting the chat box opened a drop down menu that you could use the up or down arrow to pick a chat room, and press enter to go
Especially because I can see what is happening in other channels through the sidebar
It doesn't seem necessary to have multiple tabs open
 
from a list of all rooms (possibly many) or to ones you're already in?
 
Yeah, but multiple tabs work... And don't require any real extra support from the system.
 
He's in General Super User and Server Fault Twice
I don't know how he got into Server Fault Twice
 
No, it just requires StackOverflow send us all huge widescreen monitors.
 
2:13 AM
Ah .. separate rooms. One created before and one after the private Beta I presume
 
@Shog - The sound could use tweaking for multiple tabs imo, not sure that it's possible though
no need to hear the same sound for a single notification x tab times
 
@JeffAtwood What is your browser of choice?
 
As long as it is a beta version, he doesn't care what browser it actually is.
 
If any other web/javascript devs are around, I'd love other answers/opinions on this question:
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Q: Does jQuery encourage laziness and dis-organized UI designs?

George JemptyWhen I see a question such as: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3428760/how-do-i-exclude-elements-whose-id-ends-in-a-certain-suffix-using-jquery I cannot help but thinking: does jquery encourage too much of this sort of ad hoc (and processor intensive) querying of the DOM? Shouldn't we be orga...

 
@NickCraver I'm more tempted to vote to close it than answer it..
dang it ... Can we have some sort of key that immediately takes me to the input box?
 
2:19 AM
@cha - I think that's perfectly valid, just wanted to convey some thoughts to the OP before that happened really
 
chrome, for sure
 
I expect it to be closed sooner or later
 
So, who here supports the Apple No-Flash Lockout?
So Awesome...
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> In a Friday 10-Q filing, AT&T assured investors that the termination of any handset exclusivity agreement (especially that itsy bitsy deal with Apple) will not have a “material negative impact” on earnings.
Good Luck with that.
 
3:11 AM
@cha - if only they had half-sizes
i'd cancel my wedding band order now :)
 
 
1 hour later…
4:23 AM
I see @JeffAtwood Put the BanHammer on a bunch of feature requests. Boom!
 
4:58 AM
ghost town...
 
5:52 AM
@Chacha102 Now that's some ring! Do the cogs really work?
 
6:07 AM
@thunderror Yes. They turn with the edges of the ring.
 
 
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2:43 PM
Good Morning
 
 
1 hour later…
4:00 PM
I'm running out of close votes faster than "untagged" questions
most of this crap should just have been deleted.
 
@Shog so you’re one of them horrible deletionist guys. ;-)
 
@Konrad
 
Aah, I got a bone to pick with you
 
pick away...
 
there was this meta post … *searching*
 
4:08 PM
status-making-coffee
 
Dang, unable to find it, but it seems you’re the wrong guy anyway, judging from this …
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A: duplicate question etiquette: to delete or not to delete?

Shog9If there are good answers on both, flag for moderator review and ask for a merge. If not, then leave the dup as a signpost for future researchers...

 
i generally only vote to delete duplicates when they're questions I would vote to delete even if they weren't duplicates
 
Yup, gathered that much … there are some very trigger-happy people on SO (IMHO) but apparently you’re not one of them ;)
Ah, found it. For posteriority:
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Q: The Great Question Deletion Audit of 2010

Jeff AtwoodFirst, let me go on record saying I absolutely support the concept that closed questions which are not useful in either content or as a search term variety duplicate, absolutely should be deleted. That said, it was never the intent of deletion to destroy valid, useful contributions. Questions wh...

 
I'm all about deleting stuff like this...
 
I generally don’t want to delete questions, even mindlessly stupid ones, if they have already attracted valuable answers. Unfortunately, that’s the case for many deleted questions
 
4:21 PM
@Konrad - that's harder to do now though, since the deletion rule changes
 
value is hard to gauge. I've seen people get furious over losing an answer they'd written, even though it said essentially the same thing as a dozen other answers (and more on other questions)
taking a half-page to say what someone else said in a comment doesn't automatically increase value
 
Cool, didn’t know about that yet.
Rather the opposite, I’d say. ;-)
 
yeah.
except... It becomes dear to the person who invested the time in writing it
it's like dashing off a quick-and-dirty routine, and then spending an hour carefully testing it, documenting it, formatting it...
it's still a lousy algorithm, but now you've invested time in it and are reluctant to replace it
 
4:42 PM
out of close and delete votes. Done for the day.
 
When I see this question:
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Q: Paralyzed by Design Decision (Junior Software Developer)

ShiftbitI am a junior software developer at my company. I am given a great deal of independence with supervision being limited to ensuring I am meeting deadlines and design goals. I enjoy the independence and trust I am given but I sometimes find my self overwhelmed by design decisions. When I start a ...

I keep thinking from the title that it's about being paralyzed by someone else's prior bad design decisions you're locked into
 
5:02 PM
That would be slightly more interesting
still not programming-related though
 
You're right for a general question, I bet specific questions around it are way more common though, mistakes/mis-steps previous architects have done to a project. I know I've encountered that case way too often (luckily been allowed to rectify it though).
 
oh, for sure.
 
Next week I get to tear apart all the broken pieces of our current database we couldn't change due to an external report system before, finally get to properly fix it before dropping in or own reports, woohoo!
 
Much internal software depends on a data-access library based around CSV cache files, a horrible parser, and On*n lookups. A question about replacing parts of that would be perfectly appropriate.
 
scary proposition, glad we're at least on a dbms of some sort
 
5:13 PM
oh, there's a DBMS as part of it
two, actually
 
would rather be on sql server at the moment (for this project), but i'll take oracle over csv
csv dumps from external stuff?
 
How about Oracle and CSV?
yup
 
damn
ouch
 
toying with the idea of loading the dumps into tables of an in-memory SQLite db
 
that or even an oracle view on them
 
5:15 PM
but that's the easy part; it's the horrible looping / matching code that will take days / weeks to correct.
 
either way seems like it'd make life easier
 
well, they actually do need to live in some sort of small, local storage
 
what language/platform are you on?
 
Windows. Mostly C++, some .NET
 
eerily similar description to a buddy of mine's setup, they're processing insurance data, calculating premiums, etc
 
5:17 PM
this is pricing and catalog lookup for HVAC machinery
it's actually a relatively small part of the overall system, so hard to justify spending serious time on it
...until it starts taking a shockingly disproportionate amount of time to run
 
haha
the last one is usually the case isn't it?
 
yeah. Of course, once that happens a fix is needed RIGHT NOW YESTERDAY
...so the usual solution is just to partition the data in some way, pushing the problem back under the water 'til another day
 
our entire system was dog slow on the current project, how they had it setup from a stack perspective was just horrible, up to 10 second page loads for a web app
luckily me and another were given permission to toss everything and re-write it underneath, which is really rare, can't complain after that
 
congrats
I love that feeling ;-)
 
lucky in the management lottery :)
 
5:23 PM
last time I did that was taking a 3rd-party library in-house and converting it from VB6 to VB.NET
actually, we hired a consultant to do that... but they did a straight conversion
 
ouch
 
which means the code was still awful and slow, but the new library had the additional bonuses of being inaccurate and crashing regularly
 
i'm not sure you to stand a developer that doesn't care to know the least bit about the platform they're on
not knowing it's one thing, not even caring is another, i'd rather have a completely fresh intern eager to learn it
 
This was a VB library in the traditional sense of the word: written by people who were probably more comfortable with FORTRAN and probably even more comfortable with pen and paper.
 
i hear that
the predecessor to our system was written 12 years ago, VB6 and classic ASP...had to peek into it's inner working to debug something a few weeks ago
took several nights before i was able to sleep again
 
5:28 PM
yup - spent almost two weeks on that conversion. All data was loaded from (a reasonably well-designed) Access DB into huge untyped arrays, queried via loops, stored in undeclared global variables, and manipulated via a truly astonishing amount of copy-paste code (with subtle differences in each paste of course)
fell in love with generated / combinatorial tests
 
hahaha that reminds me of a developer 2 contracts ago
on the interns system he added a macro on ctrl+c in visual studio that popped up "You're doing it wrong."
much happier with it after the conversion though?
 
oh yeah. Stuff that took minutes finished in <1sec, 100,000 tests ran in a couple minutes, no crashes, predictable results, no more trips to Lexington to watch old salesmen tearing their hair out.
 
5:43 PM
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Q: Allow a user to uncheck his/her own answer

kbrimingtonIt turns out I was mistaken. It happens from time to time. I answered a question here, the answer was accepted, and I was later shown to be wrong. I would like to un-accept the answer I gave and remove my post, but cannot. I think it would be beneficial to allow an answerer to uncheck their own ...

 
 
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6:55 PM
hello
 
harro
 
7:13 PM
word up
 
7:30 PM
The app looks good:
Tagged 17 and older due to:
Frequent/Intense Mature/Suggestive Themes
Infrequent/Mild Sexual Content or Nudity
Frequent/Intense Cartoon or Fantasy Violence
Frequent/Intense Profanity or Crude Humor
Infrequent/Mild Horror/Fear Themes
Infrequent/Mild Alcohol, Tobacco, or Drug Use or References
Frequent/Intense Realistic Violence
....for SO, seriously?
 
if there's one thing I hate about Stack Exchange, it's the never-ending drug use and cartoon violence.
(I'm perfectly happy with the steady supply of alcohol and real violence)
 
hah
finally gave in and stopped clicking "remind me in 4 hours"
 
Now you'll never remember what you were supposed to do 32 hours ago!
 
7:45 PM
windows update :)
i have a esata 3TB drive that causes my machine to hang on boot, so have to reach behind a monitor a flip it off
given i only reboot every 2-3 months, it's hard to find the motivation to do that
easier to click "remind me later", until I finally give in at some point
 
heh just realised facebook have a welsh language translation
they don't appear to have gaelic though
on behalf of my people i'm officially offended
 
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