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12:03 AM

@rchern Agreed, sorry :-D

rchern

(:

Michael Mrozek

Does this look good? I'm leaning towards no

rchern

o:

Michael Mrozek

I wanted the id and timestamp stacked, but I'm having trouble making it fit. I either need to increase the total size of the message, decrease the timestamp font, or decrease the line height (I did the last in that screenshot)

rchern

ohhhh, you're modifying. got it

Michael Mrozek

12:11 AM

Yeah, it's not a bug, I'm just asking for opinions :)

rchern

whew (;

I think it looks ok with just a single message in the monologue, but not with more.

Michael Mrozek

Solution: block people from sending more than one message in a row

rchern

perfect

Yi Jiang

12:27 AM

I woke up, on the computer, and the first thing that happens is a great big mosquito comes around and bite me

Edit: A great big dead mosquito now

Yi Jiang

12:52 AM

11

Q: What does ~~ do in Javascript?

I was checking out an online game physics library today and came across the ~~ operator. I know a single ~ is a bitwise NOT, would that make ~~ a NOT of a NOT, which would give back the same value, wouldn't it? Thanks, Shane

javascript

The title on the homepage shows up as this for me:

Looks like -- instead of ~~

rchern

Michael Mrozek

Whoever did the style stuff at the end of the userscript should be hurt. It uses spaces for indenting and tabs for alignment

Yi Jiang

@MichaelMrozek Hehe... well, like I said I never cared for the spaces/tabs thing.

Michael Mrozek

@YiJiang I plan to blame @rchern anyway

rchern

no can do

the styles is all @YiJiang (:

Yi Jiang

1:00 AM

@rchern Actually, @TimStone added some in too, but yes, I was the first to write that section

rchern

ok well fine

Yi Jiang

Say, what are we working on now

rchern

still...I haven't touched that part

Yi Jiang

@MichaelMrozek I did a search-and-replace, just to make you happy :)

Michael Mrozek

> @author rchern

I read that and think "now I know who to blame for everything after this point"

rchern

1:02 AM

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Yi Jiang

@MichaelMrozek Actually, if you want to, you can partially /blame @rchern :) She used 4 spaces for indenting, which my editor used when I do new lines, then I habitually used a tab for the new code block.

Michael Mrozek

Fantastic

Yi Jiang

@rchern Wait till I drop back to Windows, and I'll build an animated gif that goes :| ._. |: .-.

rchern

hahaha

I just created an issue you might look at @YiJiang

Michael Mrozek

@YiJiang I tried to do that exact thing, but I couldn't figure out an easy way in GIMP

Yi Jiang

1:11 AM

@rchern Weird... how did that happen?

I think I'll add in a min-width then

rchern

Yi Jiang

@rchern Okay, that definitely should not happen

rchern

wellll

Yi Jiang

@rchern Have this always been the case?

rchern

since your change to /list. is a slow bug reporter >_>

i kept forgetting to take screenshots hehe

Yi Jiang

1:21 AM

@rchern Ever since I added column-count!?

O_o How did you live with that?

rchern

heh

Yi Jiang

1:48 AM

Okay, I blame Chrome's implementation of column-count

rchern

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Sorry,stepped AFK to make dinner

@rchern if you have an XMPP account signed on right now and you don't consider it too much work, I am running the script now for The Tavern and you're welcome to try connecting. It may make my server explode but hey, you'd probably enjoy the fireworks (-;

@rcher If you want to try it you can try joining the XMPP/Jabber rooms the_tavern@msochat.smart-safe-secure.com or xmpp@msochat.smart-safe-secure.com

I'm headed AFK again. Catch you guys later!

rchern

2:07 AM

hy/bye (:

hmm, xmpp seems to work better than tavern

Yi Jiang

@rchern Okay, changes pushed

Just tested on Chrome. Seems to work

Hmmm...

Yi Jiang

3:28 AM

A question with two answers and one edit, yet only 1 view :)

rchern

view count is heavily cached

Yi Jiang

Yeah, but a little too heavy sometimes

@rchern Got the pull request?

rchern

will take a look

Chacha102

4:10 AM

Check out the new, redesigned 102content.com

Yi Jiang

@Chacha102 Not bad

You forgot the title of the page

Chacha102

...

Yi Jiang

Also, get a favicon :)

Chacha102

that requires having a logo of some sort

but I'll get both

Yi Jiang

Hmmm.... I see a scrollbar in Firefox

Chacha102

4:13 AM

yeah

Yi Jiang

100% width header with a 10px padding = 100% + 20px

Chacha102

still needs tweaking

but the idea of the site is to be a hub for interesting coding projects

Yi Jiang

Why not just leave out the width: 100%?

Chacha102

and eventually host actual content like editorials up

@YiJiang It is a left over from another design idea

which involved position:fixed

where display: block; doesn't work

there we go

fixed

Yi Jiang

Hmmm... not sure why you'd want header > h2 when h2 alone should suffice

Maybe some other information will be added to that header

Chacha102

4:15 AM

you mean header > h1?

Yi Jiang

<header>
        <h2>What is 102 Content?</h2>
</header>

Chacha102

It is a habit .. it is more for things like

hm.. sec

its either header > h1 or section > h2

but the habit is to prevent replacing section.articles h2 with h2 because I also might have a section.comments h2

But I agree

I really like the layout though..

on the top will be stuff like

Home - Projects - Tutorials - Editorials

Something along those lines

apart from just being a hub of projects, I'd like it to be a destination for learning about programming

But, it is going to take time to evolve it from a showcase of my projects, to a showcase of many projects, to a showcase and content center

Luckily, I'm not in a big rush to get it going

radp

7:16 AM

a chess pawn visits MSO

►

Yi Jiang

11:00 AM

I wonder if I should hijack SO's SuperColliding DropDown menu's Javascript functions to power the interface for my new script

radp

11:20 AM

0

Q: Arch Linux fails to boot from a USB key (cannot mount selected partition)

I tried to install Arch Linux to an USB key. Things are kind of wobbly (it assumes the system has exactly one drive inside, for example) but everything installed just fine. Until I rebooted. Booting 'Arch Linux' root (hd1,1) Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7 kernel /boot/vmlinuz26 ...

arch-linux grub ext4 boot-loader

I needz teh helpz.

Yi Jiang

1:51 PM

\o/

radp

I see you're resorting to rchern-invariant smilies

Harmen

@YiJiang Look: github.com/haampie/…

and everybody else of course

radp

@Harmen um why is that useful? :)

Harmen

@radp it's not useful, but I was just curious about the average reputation score of John Skeet, Nick Craver and Pekka

Chacha102

2:06 PM

according to the sidebar there are 4 people chatting

rchern

2:42 PM

that's somewhat random @Chacha102

Yi Jiang

Man, I can't believe how long it took for me to find this song

▶ Watch Eple by Röyksopp on Vimeo

radp

clicks on image

Yi Jiang

@radp Haha.... we're all trained by the YouTube onebox for this

radp

/blame @YiJiang

No, I actually didn't click on it. I just remember reading the backlog about this issue :P

Yi Jiang

@radp Nah, blame balmarc about this. And the rate limiter, which delayed the second message by two seconds

Man, I hear that song everywhere, yet only now did I find where it came from

radp

2:57 PM

thanks for the link, I had the same :)

liked.

Remind me.

rchern

@YiJiang, blah. you committed code with the timestamp commented out.

Yi Jiang

@rchern I didn't like that particular feature of yours, like I said

rchern

everybody else seems to. >_>

modifying it on your end is different from committing it

Yi Jiang

3:12 PM

@rchern shrug I maintain that that is an unwanted feature that doesn't really do the script any good

rchern

With just one person that feels like that I'm not removing a feature people wanted.

radp

3:26 PM

in Chat feedback on http://stackexchange.com Chat, 2 mins ago, by badp

  var so_live_site = $("#footer-logo a").first().attr("href").replace("http://", "")
  var chat_user_id = $('#active-user').data('user');
  $.get("/users/sites/" + chat_user_id, _get_real_user_id) // MAXIMUM JQUERY
  function _get_real_user_id(associations){
    $.each(associations, function(x, association){
      if(association.Host == so_live_site){
        user_id = association.UserId
        console.debug("Found user id on", so_live_site, ":", user_id)
      }
    })
  }

\o/

because per site chats were too complicated.

rchern

@YiJiang, if you feel strongly about it, create an issue. Get some feedback.

Yi Jiang

Gawd... another console not defined Firebug bug

@rchern Maybe a straw poll when there are more people in the Tavern? An issue on the issue tracker doesn't really help

rchern

Point people to the issue.

Then if you succeed, the commit can be associated with the issue.

radp

timestamp?

Yi Jiang

shakes fist at Firebug

console is not defined
stackoverflow.com/questions/4056349/…
Line 20

The very fact that I can see this error indicates that console is defined, and very much working

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3:38 PM

Rally starting in less than 30 minutes!

radp

I hate public cryptography. I don't use it often enough to recall those passwords.

Anyway, SO Live! Chat 1.1 is out, with real support for Chat.SE

View Source

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@radp Sorry, what's this now?

oooooh, a userscript!

radp

SO Live! integrated in the chat

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> Bring Live reputation requirement updates to the StackExchange™ DismissalProne AwesomeNotifier™

radp

wait

requirement?

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3:42 PM

Forgive me for being ignorant but what is SO Live! @radp ?

radp

sorry, was pushing a fix that removed "requirement"

10

Q: SO Live! -- live updates to your reputation score.

Screenshot About This userscript, based on SOApi.js, injects itself in all SE pages and polls the API for reputation changes every 60 seconds. When your reputation changes, this is quietly announced at the top of the page and the top reputation counter is joyfully updated. The notification ...

app javascript

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@radp Sweeeeeeeet!

radp

@TheUnhandledException I'm waiting to be notified by your upvote :P

rchern

Geez @TheUnhandledException, you're so behind in the userscript area!

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@radp I'm trying to log in now :-p

@rchern I really am...

radp

3:45 PM

I wonder if I should make a new question for the chat edition.

The Unhandled Exception

where are yours again, I'll in stall those too @rchern

radp

I think the site version looks better, but the chat version is more useful.

rchern

in Chat feedback on http://stackexchange.com Chat, 2 days ago, by rchern

Keyboard shortcuts and /commands for chat: Install Link and Github site

take out Chat for the site userscript

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Okay +1 $radp

I like how Verisign uses my PayPal FOB for two-factor authentication for my openID

radp

@TheUnhandledException screenshotting :D

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3:48 PM

except when my keys are upstairs

that makes logging in to SE sites just plain work, lol

rchern

hehehe

ohhhh that reminds me. i need to clean up my LastPass vault

Yi Jiang

Grrr... I hate myself

radp

@YiJiang please don't go emo on us

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@rcher everytime I install your userscripts I get worried:

Yi Jiang

I was wondering why this userscript I'm testing is failing silently, when I had actually turned GM off for a second to look at @radp's userscript

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3:50 PM

radp

@TheUnhandledException I know. All userscripts display that.

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException That's technically speaking, true

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How can I be so sure I trust you @rchern ? :-)

Yeah, I know @radp and @YiJiang. I'm razzing her, I do trust her (and @radp)

rchern

you can't.

you absolutely can't.

mwuahahaha

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException That's the stupid thing about Chrome userscript - you can't

radp

3:51 PM

well, technically I can load just about anything as you

Yi Jiang

There's no view source, it doesn't even show you the site's it operates on

radp

I can click on stuff as you

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@YiJiang All I use Chrome for is SE sites and chat. Worst he can do is steal some of my rep

radp

I can vote as you

etc.

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:-)

radp

3:52 PM

@TheUnhandledException what do you use for teh rest of teh intarwebz?

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@radp being me isn't as exciting as it sounds, lol

@radp FireFox or Safari

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException "The worst <del>s</del>he can do"?

Mark C

Sock Puppet Mark reporting for duty

rchern

heh

Yi Jiang

@MarkC Sock Puppet Mark reported as sock puppet

Will be dealt with shortly

Mark C

3:55 PM

But you don't know which admins are sock puppets, so there

Yi Jiang

$("<span />").text(lastEdit).attr is not a function
stackoverflow.com/questions/4059088/…
Line 20

Grrrr....

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@YiJiang I was first scared of @rchern until I read comments by @radp :-)

@MarkC My socks would say hi, but, it's laundry day

rchern

@YiJiang what are you doing?

Yi Jiang

@rchern A funny little thing that actually tracks answers using ajax and localStorage

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so @rchern, I was AFK last night, sorry... did the XMPP script work for you, but only in the XMPP room, not the_tavern@msochat.smart-safe-secure.com ?

rchern

4:03 PM

correct

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were you able to join the_tavern it was just empty, or not?

I ask because I'll be bugfixing today. I'm now getting double messages via XMPP :-p

I mean, I love these chats, but I don't need to read every message twice ;-)

rchern

yeah, says 0 users and didn't give the initial /help message

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@rchern hmmm, odd. I'll check it out and will probably ask for you to test again later :-)

And anyone else who's interested in helping me test XMPP is welcome to :-)

@rchern I also intend to make /help actually work today :-)

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException Eh.... I've got Pidgin running. How does this whole XMPP thingy work again?

radp

0

Q: SO Live! Chat Edition. — live updates to your reputation score, while cooking^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hchatting.

Screenshot About This userscript, based on SOApi.js, injects itself in all SE sites' chat pages and polls the API for reputation changes every 60 seconds. When your reputation changes, this is announced at the top of the page. SO Live! Chat Edition uses the same notification chat does. If ...

app javascript

@TheUnhandledException special thanks ;)

Yi Jiang

4:10 PM

@radp Mmmmhmmm... don't you think that bar is a little intrusive?

radp

@YiJiang It's the notification bar.

/blame @balpha.

I did make the chat window small on purpose of fitting everything in the same screenshot

it's not that obnoxious in practice.

Yi Jiang

I propose we rename this tavern the UserScript Tavern. All in agreement, say aye!

rchern

why does git repository link to gist?

radp

@rchern because gist actually is powered by git.

rchern

yes i get that. but git repository to me says the actual repository base page (;

radp

4:15 PM

@rchern eh, except there's none ;)

and I can't link straight to git://gist.github.com/631092.git

rchern

err why say there's a repo if there isn't? ):

lol

radp

there is...

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k, I'm off to watch some of the Rally to Restore Sanity. XMPP script has been restarted, it may behave better now. everyone feel free to hack away, I'll be back soon

radp

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(XMPP rooms: the_tavern@msochat.smart-safe-secure.com or xmpp@msochat.smart-safe-secure.com )

rchern

4:20 PM

@radp, I know, it just threw me for a loop at first.

radp

@rchern oh lord, I'm glad you didn't forget about an exit condition

rchern

for a loop != a for loop >_>

Yi Jiang

@rchern What does that expression mean anyway?

radp

@YiJiang rchern(">_>") = "<_<"

rchern

haha

I use both of those (;

radp

4:26 PM

after all, rchern(rchern(x)) = x

2

Yi Jiang

I mean the "for a loop" part, not the erm... facial expression, although that might need some explaining also

radp

"shift eyes left"

if not followed by "shift eyes right", mild annoyance

otherwise, looking around

and the such

rchern

@YiJiang caught me off guard, took me by surprise

radp

it means anything and nothing :P

Saul

wow

it's life in here

hi

radp

4:31 PM

hoy

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Hey @Saul

radp

wat

Yi Jiang

@radp What took you so long :P

That's been there for ages already

radp

@YiJ it was on top of my Explore list on Google Reader

OMG!

Indians know what a web browser is.

radp

5:06 PM

Marco.

Full story

Yi Jiang

@radp Weird... I distinctly remember today not being the first of April :P

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5:26 PM

Hey @Fosco

How goes?

Fosco

Hey :) mail came today.. SO t-shirt, unicorn million dollar bill, and stickers. Thanks SOIS!

2

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@Fosco Really? I am very jealous

Fosco

yup. I might take a new avatar pic with the t-shirt.

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doooo it :-)

@Fosco did you see my announcement re: XMPP?

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A: Offer an XMPP method for chat

UPDATE 2010-10-29: I now have very, very, very basic XMPP support working, written in Ruby as an XMPP component. The code can be checked out from http://trac.digitalfruition.com/soxmpp/browser/trunk and I am documenting the progress in the Trac wiki. At the moment there is no write support but I...

Fosco

@TheUnhandledException I saw that it was working :)

The Unhandled Exception

5:37 PM

it's currently running as an XMPP MUC: the_tavern@sochat.smart-safe-secure.com

Fosco

typo line 29: wili = wiki

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@Fosco thank you :-)

radp

@TheUnhandledException does it have anything to do with Jabber?

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@Fosco Sorry, like 29 of what?

@radp Yes. It's a Jabber interface for this chat

Fosco

of the rb file in the root folder, sorry

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5:40 PM

Jabber == XMPP

radp

I'm trying to connect via Empathy but there's no option labelled "XMPP"

Fosco

was looking at that before going into the classes folder

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@Fosco ah ha, the place I don't have a spell checker ;-)

@radp Use Jabber

Corrected in Rev 5, thanks @Fosco

Yi Jiang

Mmmhmm... I just connected using Pidgin

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5 mins ago, by The Unhandled Exception

it's currently running as an XMPP MUC: the_tavern@sochat.smart-safe-secure.com

That is wrong

it's currently running as an XMPP MUC: the_tavern@msochat.smart-safe-secure.com

m sochat., not sochat.

Yi Jiang

5:43 PM

Oh wow... Pidgin is updating faster than the web interface

The problem I see here is that you're going to need a way to get the client to render HTML

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LOL

Yi Jiang

For onebox support

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@YiJiang I poll every 5 seconds, and I am working on HTML entity decoding now, actually

@YiJiang Onebox support will be severely lacking, sadly

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException Yeah, I guessed as much

Anyway your server might parse out the URL only?

The Unhandled Exception

@YiJiang Sorry, what do you mean?

Yi Jiang

5:46 PM

@TheUnhandledException Right now oneboxes look like this:

<div class="onebox ob-message"><a class="roomname" href="/transcript/message/258323#258323"><span title="2010-10-30 17:37:39Z">5 mins ago</span></a>, by <span class="user-name">The Unhandled Exception</span> <br/><div class="quote">it&#39;s currently running as an XMPP MUC: the_tavern@sochat.smart-safe-secure.com</div></div>

You should just parse out the URL: /transcript/message/258323#258323

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@YiJiang Ah, yes, I understand now

Yi Jiang

Preferably adding in the http://chat.meta.stackoverflow.com

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Will add to Trac momentarilly

Fosco

@TheUnhandledException np.. new gravatar created. w/ shirt & beard

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sweet :-)

rchern

5:50 PM

i don't have my shirt yet ):

Yi Jiang

@rchern I won't ever get that shirt :(

I should've just set up a bot to post something when it reaches 1 million

rchern

...because that would have been cool

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Yi Jiang

rchern

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Chacha102

Can I get some CSS feedback?

102content.com/triton.html

Fosco

5:59 PM

radp

@Chacha102 the app looks okay, uneventful maybe

:P

Fosco

neat idea Chacha, looks good..

Yi Jiang

That's odd... on my Firefox the section.main ruleset seem to be completely ignored

Oh, right. Firefox doesn't recognise section as block level

Chacha102

ah, sec

there

just added a block declaration to header, nav, section, and article

Fosco

Yi Jiang

6:06 PM

> The requested URL /jquery.js was not found on this server.

Oh, and in Firefox, the box-shadow extends out on either side of the top navigation, causing a scrollbar to appear

Normally I would set overflow: hidden on it's parents, but in this case that would be the body, which won't work very well

There's still overflow-x: hidden though

Chacha102

yeah

I'm trying to work more on the content for the site...

For instance, cleaning up the actual code for the two repositories up

So if I do start showing it to people, and someone wants to contribute, it look completely crappy..

Yi Jiang

6:25 PM

My computer just went down...

Every single application became unresponsive, and I couldn't even start terminal or switch to tty

Aiden Bell

6:57 PM

@Fosco - What country you in?

Hoping my t-shirt lands UK-side soon

Fosco

7:34 PM

@AidenBell US, in PA (shipped from NY so I'm real close)

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7:51 PM

I broke the bridge :-p

rchern

tsk tsk

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I was too heavy I guess. Need to diet

@rchern I was trying to fix the duplicate (triplicate earlier this morning) message bug, Trac #11

I fixed it all right. Now there's no more duplicates!

rchern

\o/ haha

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...because there's no messages at all... ;-)

rchern

yes yes

minor detail (;

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8:02 PM

it's a feature, not a bug! XD

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9:46 PM

Anyone watch / attend the Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear?

rchern

(:

i watched it

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@rchern I thought Jon's "serious moment" was quite good

and man, there were a lot of people there!

By the end you couldn't see the end of the crowd!

rchern

hehe

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10:33 PM

Well I did my laundry, watched some TV, and fixed 1.5 XMPP bugs. I think I deserve a night in the big city!

Have a nice evening @rchern

Chacha102

Hello

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@Chacha102 Hey. I was just stepping out. Catch you later!

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