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Yi Jiang

7:00 PM

I wonder how we're going to be able to nuke the drafts

@PopularDemand Play around with it - it allows you to execute arbitrary pieces of Javascript

balpha

@rchern because you obviously still haven't read it yet. The "blah blah blah" is the important part :)

> This site is moderated by the community, so please be respectful of your fellow users.

Yi Jiang

Like, say, $('body').css('-moz-transform', 'rotate(10deg)')

balpha

RESPECT

rchern

pfft

i've clearly used chat before. i've also used chat before in firefox. and i'm signed in, so it still knows who i am, so it should know i've used chat! (;

Popular Demand

Gragh. You all are japing with me.

Yi Jiang

7:03 PM

@PopularDemand Rotate, yo!

rchern

holy crap there's a ton of warnings in this console

Yi Jiang

@rchern Turn off Javascript Warnings

Popular Demand

@YiJiang I hope this doesn't do what I think it's going to do.

rchern

Unknown pseudo-class or pseudo-element 'last'.

Yi Jiang

@rchern Turn off CSS errors too

rchern

7:03 PM

seems to be 1 per second

Yi Jiang

@rchern Because jQuery tries to use those first

rchern

i don't like turning things off

i shouldn't be getting warnings!

Popular Demand

@YiJiang Firebug cannot find firebugCommandLineAttached attribute on firebug console element, its too early for command line

Yi Jiang

@rchern You might also want to turn off xhr requests

rchern

(;

Yi Jiang

7:05 PM

Because you need the mouse? :P

rchern

why is that an unusual concept?

@YiJiang, code should work. it shouldn't be giving me errors/warnings (;

Popular Demand

@balpha Thanks, this is a good read.

rchern

gah i had to close firefox, chat was being really buggy ):

Popular Demand

@rchern Perhaps the purpose of the code is to annoy you.

Yi Jiang

@rchern Yawn... all of those CSS errors are just jQuery trying to see if those selectors worked natively

And there all lots of xhr messages too if you don't turn those off

rchern

7:08 PM

@YiJiang oy. xhr was already off.

Yi Jiang

You'll also get a ton of errors for -webkit extensions if you don't turn CSS errors off.

rchern

gah. not the issue lol.

Yi Jiang

@rchern What else, then?

rchern

it was putting my messages at the top of chat. and timing out too though i could see the messages being sent in chrome

Yi Jiang

@rchern Hmmm.... weird

Never had that unless the connection is wonky

rchern

7:13 PM

same connection as chrome (;

Yi Jiang

@rchern Have you tried, say, refreshing the page before rage quiting? :P

rchern

yes i did (:

we need a /ragequit command!

Yi Jiang

@rchern Alt + F4

rchern

not the same!

Yi Jiang

Do it twice to rage quit the OS itself!

balpha

7:16 PM

@rchern have you tried inserting a coin on chat.gaming?

Popular Demand

Note: balpha is not asking you to insert any physical object into your computer, and is not responsible for any damage that may arise from your doing so.

rchern

hehehe

i haven't, though i've seen it just from scrolling through the code for the userscript

balpha

gamedev.stackexchange.com

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Tim Stone

Oooh

radp

Big productivity boost: $('body').css('-webkit-transform', 'rotate(180deg)')

rchern

7:24 PM

hahaha

one less beta icon in StackFlair, wahoo!

\o/

balpha

@radp try

var i=0;window.setInterval(function(){$('body').css('-webkit-transform', 'rotate(' + (Math.sin((i++)/40*Math.PI)*20) + 'deg)');}, 40);

and then start typing

radp

@balpha Useful when coding on a boat!

rchern

too bad it rotates off the screen instead of around the center (;

balpha

I'm seasick now.

Mark C

Oh, I saw someone mention they couldn't get their FF Java console open, and I was having the same problem. What might be the problem?

radp

7:35 PM

The real pity is that something else is using i and the animation occasionally resets

BTW is it cheating if I'm using jQuery methods to send messages?

because I'm, huh, totally not doing that. Nuh huh.

rchern

you still have it rotating? (:

radp

@rchern it's hypnotizing

rchern

heh.

Mark C

@Rchern were you the one who couldn't get your Java console open? I seem to have the same problem.

radp

all those features in our browsers... it's amazing.

rchern

7:37 PM

@MarkC, java != javascript grumble

and no it wasn't me.

Mark C

Yes but someone told me to open my ff console and paste a $.--- line in

Unless there is a separate console

rchern

yes, that would be javascript code

Popular Demand

designsOfSeSitesILike.size++;

Mark C

It's nice, but the banner, you may not like this, does not exactly reflect game development as well as I would have hoped.

Popular Demand

@MarkC It was me. I've never used the Firebug console before.

In fact, it was disabled/grayed out; I didn't even see it at first.

Mark C

7:43 PM

Does FF have a javascript console build in? (ducks)

Popular Demand

I still don't know how to make that rotation thing work, though.

rchern

@PopularDemand, did you get it enabled?

Popular Demand

@rchern No, I gave up and went back to work for a while.

rchern

if you click the arrow on the Console tab you can enable/disable

Popular Demand

Oh, that. I did get that, yes.

Saw the stream of warnings you were talking about.

rchern

7:45 PM

in that same arrow menu you can turn off the warnings

Popular Demand

@rchern True story.

rchern

then in the right half there's an input area with run, clear, copy at the bottom? in that input area type in the javascript code and click run

Popular Demand

They actually started out turned off, but I decided I needed more action.

rchern

i don't have it open right now, but i'm pretty sure that's correct

hehehe

Popular Demand

Okay, let's see what this balpha thing does....

balpha

7:46 PM

you have to use -moz-transform instead of -webkit-transform in FF

Popular Demand

@balpha Makes sense.

rchern

(hint, reload the page to make it stop)

balpha

it's going to be slow, though

Popular Demand

Aaaand... "Run."

radp

I wish I could look at @PopularDemand's face right now.

Popular Demand

7:47 PM

Yeesh, it actually goes off the screen.

rchern

yeah, would be more fun if it rotated around the center

Popular Demand

@radp as I said earlier, I did expect it to do this.

balpha

@rchern you can specify the point of rotation somehow

I'm too lazy to look it up now

Tim Stone

Heh

Popular Demand

I've got to enable that, then send my boss a screencast. Someone checked in a horrible bug, guys!

rchern

7:50 PM

LOL

hmmm, we need a /history command

oh, @TimStone, did you want me to incorporate your navigation or did you want to fork the repo?

Tim Stone

@rchern I actually got bored of doing work and am in the process of making the modifications now :P

rchern

then i guess i won't do it tonight (:

Popular Demand

So many commands. How about /autopilot on so you don't actually have to be in the room to continue the conversation?

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rchern

heh

Popular Demand

For those pesky times when you have to go cook or see your kid's school play or whatever.

Tim Stone

7:51 PM

@PopularDemand I perform that functionality automatically with my bot persona.

Popular Demand

Stupid interfering "life events."

@TimStone Heh. I saw what you did there.

rchern

twas better before the edit.

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand Finger jam, heh. That was an unfortunately weird typo though..

Popular Demand

@TimStone "Hmm, did he mean 'girl'? Who's the sockpuppet?"

Tim Stone

:P

rchern

8:01 PM

heh, was just reading an old question and saw a reply that i hadn't seen. totally missed the notification if i got it.

rchern

8:24 PM

I just pushed a change

hmm

ah nevermind, thought maybe commit messages were oneboxed hehe

> Added /del command to delete messages. Updated readme to current list of commands.

Popular Demand

I've figured out how to get the rest of the MSO rep I need for 10k: ask a "what does the name of [insert any badge here] mean?" question every day.

Tim Stone

You were so thorough that I couldn't help but +1 :P

Argh, Roger Pate and his five million edits.

Popular Demand

@TimStone Good man, Roger.

Mark C

@TimS What, did Popular already start?

Popular Demand

For actually standardizing the tag, and for deflecting attention from me.

rchern

8:35 PM

@TimStone haha no kidding

Tim Stone

@MarkC Err...?

Mark C

@PopularDemand Start his badge questions

This must be a different question

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand I entirely applaud his effort, I just wish that half of all Meta questions weren't bumped up to the active page :P

@MarkC It was about the question which he answered that enticed him to make that comment.

Roger Pate

@TimStone yeah, that's unfortunate :(

Mark C

Do you get any points if you accept your own answer?

I don't remember.

rchern

8:41 PM

not for the acceptance, but you do for any upvotes you get

Roger Pate

I always find more to do, like 60x[daily-reputation-limit] vs 50x[reputation-cap] -- needs another 5 edits minimum to tag synonym

Tim Stone

@RogerPate Hey, if they weren't broken in the first place you wouldn't have to be the one to fix them, so not your fault, and very nice job. :)

I just refreshed the page and saw a wall of you, heh. :P

Roger Pate

I wouldn't say broken for most, but it's often not clear how to be consistent right from the start :)

(even assuming every poster is familiar with meta)

Tim Stone

Fair point

Roger Pate

fwiw, I've also tried to detail my thoughts in tagging

Tim Stone

8:45 PM

@rchern By the way, I tried being less stingy with my SO votes yesterday, but I don't think I even used 20, heh. Maybe I'm not perusing effectively enough.

Roger Pate

that's something that was very hard to do before we had chat

Tim Stone

Ah, nice, I hadn't seen that room before.

Popular Demand

@TimStone I feel like I don't know enough about most things to judge whether a question is good or not.

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand Yeah, I typically don't vote out of my tags, though I do make exceptions in cases were the question asks something that's interesting and well-explained in a way that attracts answers which effectively teach me something about that topic.

Popular Demand

Huh. 525-rep bounty.

Roger Pate

8:49 PM

recent? after the removal of the +50 bonus?

Popular Demand

Hm, the answer to "List of all badges with full descriptions" is getting so long that editing it is slowing FF to a crawl.

Might have to split it into two answers.

Mark C

Oh my goodness: Search for "Legendary"

meta.stackoverflow.com

Roger Pate

I edit in vim half the time :)

Mark C

I mean the text

Michael Mrozek

@rchern You stole my idea; I was planning on making a /help :)

jjnguy

8:51 PM

@RogerPate Who are you, and why are you editing lots of epic/legendary badge questions?

Roger Pate

@jjnguy chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/293/tagging

Popular Demand

@RogerPate Man, are you pale. You need to stop tagging and go outside more.

(Assuming your avatar is a recent photo.)

Roger Pate

~8 years old

I probably fit the geek stereotype much more than I'd like ><

rchern

@MichaelMrozek, i haven't done it yet, go right ahead (;

Mark C

@PopularDemand Some people try to pass it off as a bonus:

no wait

Roger Pate

8:57 PM

no skin cancer?

Mark C

See here for an opinion on fluorescent bulb skin: zazzle.com/pale_skinny_male_tshirt-235225016507865315

Actually, melanin is what will protect you from UV damage, but you have to develop it first

Never mind, I couldn't embed the image

Roger Pate

one-boxing is only for a select few sites as of yet

Mark C

Yes, but the problem here was that Zazzle doesn't let you have a link to their image

Interesting, editing a deleted post bumps the question:

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Q: What happened to science.stackexchange.com?

I was interested in a certain question over there - now the site is gone and I can't find any information about it. Side question: what is stackexchange-2.0 compared to stackexchange ?

rchern

why are you editing a deleted post?

Mark C

Because I had already pressed delete but decided to give a ltitle explanation

I do hope you're not trying to stop me from deleting a post!

Tim Stone

9:08 PM

@rchern /ignore hasn't been added yet, right?

rchern

correct

Mark C

Funniest reason for not being able to access an SE site (see the last comment):

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A: Stackoverflow.com equivalent for EE and Mathematics

Hmm... I think this belongs to meta. Or maybe stackoverflow can have a section with links point to all the sister sites.

Tim Stone

Debating on if that's worth adding...

rchern

hmm, i personally don't really use /ignore, and have never used it on irc in the years i've used irc. but i can understand the value for some people

Roger Pate

I've never used it except for bots

Mark C

9:13 PM

@TimS Have you gotten to the point where you want to ignore someone? (gulp)

rchern

probably wants to /ignore me ):

Mark C

Don't be so self-centered!

Popular Demand

Why does clicking on "chat" on meta.stackoverflow.com bring me directly to the Tavern?

Is this [status-bydesign]?

Tim Stone

Hahah, brilliant.

rchern

weird

Mark C

9:16 PM

I thought that was the default or something (i always used to use the chat.meta url)

Roger Pate

@PopularDemand probably because you're already recorded as being in here

rchern

the url goes to the main page though. but if you type it in it doesn't redirect

Popular Demand

@rchern Yeah, I figured.

Weird, though.

Roger Pate

unless you explicitly leave, just closing the page doesn't make you leave until some timeout; afaik

Tim Stone

It goes to The Tavern on SO too

rchern

9:16 PM

sounds like a bug to me because shouldn't you see the available rooms?

Roger Pate

hmm, that is weird

rchern

but it seems like it'd have to have been coded in, so not a bug?

head spins and explodes

Tim Stone

It must be by-design?

I just tried on Gaming and got taken immediately to the "General" room there.

rchern

worthy of a mention in chat feedback at least i think

hmm

has to be by-design then

interesting

Tim Stone

(and I haven't been on Gaming's chat before, to be more clear)

If that's the case though, I don't know that the all rooms button is apparent enough to get people to seek out other rooms.

rchern

9:19 PM

aye, i'd agree with that

Mark C

I was thinking about changing my avatar and came across this new logo I designed for Google.

Do y'all know about the Gap logo fiasco?

Popular Demand

@TimStone There's a new message under "other rooms you're in" if you're not in any, probably for this exact reason.

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand Ah ha, I didn't even notice that on Gaming.

Popular Demand

@MarkC The thinking among people I've talked to about it is that they intentionally introduced a crap logo so they could get publicity for switching back to the old one.

Tim Stone

The New Coke Complex!

Mark C

9:22 PM

Well, here's my new Google logo:

rchern

um ok?

Lance Roberts

@MarkC, I'm just learning to really hate Google.

I just tried to send an email out to a large group and found out that it has an email limit.

Tim Stone

It's a play on the new Gap logo that @Jin brought up the other day, heh.

Though unfortunately for Gap, that's actually their logo.

Lance Roberts

The worst thing though is how much they hate their customers, as noted by not being able to call or email them.

I was just lucky a had an unused GoogleApps account to use.

rchern

what sort of email limit?

Mark C

9:25 PM

No no, they reverted before actually applying it, I guess

Well, Lance, they provide free services and I think they would be deluged with Yahoo! Answers-type questions.

@Rchern the number of recipients you can have on an email

And the number of emails you can send within a period of time

rchern

never hit either apparently

Mark C

@Popular @TimS There is a discussion of sorts here (I guess it's pretty obvious which one is me), and there is so much terrible design happening I wouldn't suspect a clever ploy.

That's been done before (I just need to remember by whom), and I think it was more sophisticated.

Roger Pate

@PopularDemand how's the families answer? there could be more groups, but I don't think every badge must fit somewhere in there

Tim Stone

Hmm..

Roger Pate

twice that's happened now

Popular Demand

9:39 PM

@RogerPate Made a minor tweak.

Looks good in general.

Tim Stone

@RogerPate It told you that it timed out first?

Roger Pate

yes

Popular Demand

I was thinking of putting info like that in the main answers but hadn't gotten around to it yet; I like the separate answer more now, though.

Roger Pate

@PopularDemand not sure what to name the families in quotes

Popular Demand

@RogerPate Yeah.

Roger Pate

9:40 PM

I included enthusiast on purpose, but I can see it put differently

guru isn't about fast, but accepted -- which is part of the primary purpose of the site

oh, haha, I did merely mistype it -- should it be moved anyway?

@PopularDemand I would still keep the families in the longer description; a cheat sheet is what I was going for

Popular Demand

@RogerPate moved?

Lance Roberts

@MarkC, WOW, I just sent out the email from the GoogleApps account and Google bounced every one of them. My hatred for them has reached a new level. I sure wish I could have gotten a good answer on my WebApps contact management question.

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Q: Web-based Contact Application that allows list forwarding

I've found with Constant Contact, iContact and MailChimp that if you use standard email forwarding to pass their email on, that any unsubscription will unsubscribe you, the sender, because they hardcode your email address in the email, instead of pulling it out of your mail settings (not sure if ...

webapp-rec contacts forwarding bulk-email

Popular Demand

Yeah, that's good. I kind of wish there were direct links to each individual badge, but that's too much work for now.

Roger Pate

@PopularDemand should enlightened be removed from that list? it's not like guru (as it emphasizes speed)

Popular Demand

@RogerPate It also emphasizes being correct, though.

Lance Roberts

9:45 PM

@MarkC, If Zappos a billion dollar web-based company can talk to their customers, then Google could do it also.

Roger Pate

I thought about links too, but afaik you can't add IDs to target

Popular Demand

Speed and low quality gets you nothing.

Roger Pate

true

Mark C

@Lance Well I'm sorry your emails didn't send---any idea why not a single one worked?

Lance Roberts

@MarkC The lousy Google help only says that bulk email are more suspect, but I've never had it happen like that before.

Popular Demand

9:46 PM

Right, got to head out to the <strike>farmer's market</strike> large warehouse club-type store before I head home for more work. G'bye, room.

Tim Stone

See ya.

Mark C

@popular isn't it <del>?

Adios!

Tim Stone

shames jQuery for misleading documentation

rchern

o:

Mark C

@Lance, and you tried sending fewer at a time?

Roger Pate

9:48 PM

@MarkC depends if you want presentation or semantics :) (<b> vs <strong>)

Lance Roberts

@MarkC I tried that on the normal Gmail account the first time, and it wouldn't take that either. It might be time to setup my own email server.

rchern

@TimStone what is misleading?

Tim Stone

@rchern .next() and .prev() are very misleading (I knew what they did, but the documentation still disappoints me). Nick Craver even posted a related comment on .next(), heh.

Roger Pate

though the only pure-presentation use of strike through that I can think of is faux-deletion

Tim Stone

"Description: Get the immediately following sibling of each element in the set of matched elements. If a selector is provided, it retrieves the next sibling that matches the selector."

Lies!

Mark C

9:49 PM

@Roger well it's not formatting for me, is it supposed to?

Tim Stone

It retrieves the very next sibling if it matches that selector.

Roger Pate

oh, didn't realize you meant that -- chat uses comment's subset of markdown, so no

rchern

i see

Tim Stone

The second sentence seems to say that it'll return the first sibling that matches the selector, at least to me.

rchern

I'm not sure I understand the distinction of what it is doing

need a demo hehe

Tim Stone

9:57 PM

<div id="selected"></div>
<div></div>
<div class="next"></div>

$('#selected').next('.next'); // empty set

Conversely:

<div id="selected"></div>
<div class="next"></div>
<div></div>

$('#selected').next('.next'); // .next div

rchern

> If the the immediately following sibling matches the selector, it remains in the newly constructed jQuery object; otherwise, it is excluded.

Tim Stone

Yeah. :P

It's not that the result isn't expected, but the description makes people think that it does something very different.

Mainly $('#selected').nextAll('.next:first');

rchern

yup, see what you mean

Tim Stone

I had been using prev/next to swap between monologues, but I had forgotten about those "Last message x hours ago" that get inserted between them sometimes, heh. Thank you Sandbox :)

rchern

ah (:

what command are you working on?

oh, the navigation?

Tim Stone

10:02 PM

I'm just integrating the navigation with the existing commands.

Is anyone working on /delete?

rchern

i added it

Tim Stone

OK :)

rchern

hmm, that was probably after you forked

though i called it /del >_>

Tim Stone

Yeah, it was.

Ah, OK.

I have the navigation bindings calling into execute(), so I just send the appropriate command.

rchern

mm

Tim Stone

10:06 PM

(with the exception of reply, since there's no need for a command for that)

rchern

yeah, when i committed the /del command i also updated the readme and included replying with a note that it isn't a /command since it is built-in

oh, did you see my new rule?

4 hours ago, by rchern

@YiJiang, @MichaelMrozek, new rule! Make sure you edit the readme file if you're changing something that affects command syntax. Like say, adding a parameter to /transcript, or adding a /profile command...

(;

Tim Stone

Ah, I didn't. I'll keep that in mind. ;)

rchern

if it gets out-of-date it is just gonna get farther and farther behind and become useless

might as well try and nip that in the bud now

Tim Stone

Makes sense to me.

Hm, what to do about removed messages..

rchern

heading home bbl

rchern

11:07 PM

talkative bunch (;

Tim Stone

11:20 PM

I was busy somehow messing up my merge, hrm.

rchern

):

anything i can do to help?

Tim Stone

Nah, let me figure out what happened and then I'll be good, heh.

Ah, there we go.

rchern

I'm going to write up a question about my attempts to use GitExtensions and how the commits don't seem right and see if I can figure out how to use it properly hehe

Ah, what was the deal?

Tim Stone

I've complicated matters by using Mercurial ;)

I had somehow uncommitted my changes to the read me, so I had to recommit those before retrying the merge.

What the hell..

Hahah

Michael Mrozek

11:49 PM

I got distracted trying the FUSE filesystem thing Popular mentioned a few days ago. I'm pretty entertained

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Mark C

Most interesting.

How do you get or run it?

Michael Mrozek

I just wrote it today; that's all it does so far (it doesn't have posts or anything else useful)

rchern

FUSE filesystem thing?

Michael Mrozek

It's a virtual filesystem that uses the API to download data as you ask for it

So it looks like directories and files to other apps, but it's not actually stored on disk

rchern

interesting

why would one want this?

Michael Mrozek

11:58 PM

I don't worry about things like usefulness when writing programs :)

It's nice if you prefer command-lines to evil web applications, but I doubt I'll actually use it

Mark C

Oh, I thought it was already somewhere and you could use it on a given site (all I could figure from "Popular mentioned").

Michael Mrozek

2 days ago, by Popular Demand

@radp They should just make it a command line interface, a la http://uni.xkcd.com

Mark C

@rchern To quote, in principle, some ones I asked a question to today,
> Why *wouldn't* you want to use it?

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