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6:00 PM
@TechExpertWizard No, when did @Tinkeringbell criticize me for gaining rep?
 
@Tinkeringbell I wanted to pin this for an hour or so, but it says the voting has been reversed by a moderator.
 
@Ano They criticized you for posting a MSE question "just for rep."
 
I don't mind it not being pinned.... I just wanna know why :)
 
@Tec Oh yes, I remember now.
 
@10Rep yea... I started getting the same message two months ago, if I recall correctly...
status-moi-aussi
@Ano heh
Mar 5 at 2:18, by Tech Expert Wizard
> You have already voted, but the voting has been cleared by a moderator
 
6:02 PM
@10Rep Where do you even see that, I can't find that information XD
 
Bye, @Roc!
 
@Tinkeringbell Seems like it's pinned.... lol
 
@Tin Try re-pinning that message and you'll probably get the message.
 
I think @Tec had the same issue before with another message
 
@10Rep nah, it isn't
1 min ago, by Tech Expert Wizard
Mar 5 at 2:18, by Tech Expert Wizard
> You have already voted, but the voting has been cleared by a moderator
 
6:03 PM
@TechExpertWizard it is pinned
 
@10R oh yeah it is now 🙂
STATUS-HEY-WHO-UNPINNED-IT-AGAIN
STATUS-I-AM-GETTING-MAD-AT-WHOEVER-DID-IT
 
@TechExpertWizard Ah, no... I won't ;) You can't re-pin the same item twice though, to avoid two people making a mess :P
 
Who starred this?
2 hours ago, by samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz
Please don't suggest such minor edits - this disturbs the front page, causes unnecessary work for reviewers and for closed questions it bereaves the one possibility to automatically land in the reopen queue if an actual useful edit will be made later on
 
I am now no longer able to pin it again iether.
 
@Tinkeringbell ohk
 
6:04 PM
Bye, @Vic!
 
@Tin oh...
@Anonymous huh?
 
Maybe another mod did it then.
 
Maybe an RO accidentally pinned it while I was pinning it and it got unpinned? That's the only thing I can think of.
 
@Anonymous someone starred it first and then I also starred it...
@Ano hmm...
 
@Anonymous I think you get the same message regardless of who unpinned it: another room owner or moderator
 
6:06 PM
@10R IDK, maybe, but then who's that RO?
@Tin oh...
 
@Tinkeringbell You'd think that an RO shouldn't be able to override a mod's decision.
 
@TechExpertWizard I mean most of us are Room Owner's in here, right?
 
@Ano um, wdym?
@10R everyone who's here is an RO.
 
@Feeds lol I can un-RO a mod. :P
 
6:07 PM
??
they still have ro privileges though
 
@Tec If an RO unpins something, a mod should be able to pin it again.
 
*This room was placed in timeout for 30 seconds; Well there are some things room owners can't override, @Ano ;)
*
 
@10Rep heh
@10R I know, because they're mods. So they've got more privileges than normal ROs have.
@Ano As Tin said, it's not possible.
 
In general though, it's not expected that room owners would actively hinder moderators. If they did, we can remove room ownership after all, and issue chat suspensions ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell heh 👌
@Tin yea, I know, I just did it as a test.
hey, but what about when sha removed Tin from RO at his den?!
 
6:09 PM
Welcome, @Ann!
 
@TechBOT cool
 
@Ann yea, now it can auto-detect when someone joins or leaves.
 
Bye, @Tec!
Welcome, @Tec!
 
Can I try kick-muting @Tinkeringbell just because I'm curious what will happen (will it display an error message or just not do anything?)? I doubt I can actually kick-mute a mod.
 
@TechExpertWizard :o
 
6:10 PM
@Ano Tin already said it's not possible.
 
@Anonymous You shouldn't be able to, so feel free to try
 
@Ann BTW did you unpin some pinned messages?
 
@Tinkeringbell :o
@TechExpertWizard no
never did
 
@Tin heh 👌
@AnnZen heh
 
Did the other ROs get a notification?
 
6:11 PM
No, I didn't get any notification.
 
@AnnZen oh
@Ann well then that's strange...
@Ano nope...
@10R me neither
 
@TechExpertWizard You know, technically it's good to not have that many people with Room Owner privileges. I have moderator powers, so I don't need room ownership anywhere.
 
Oh, I just got one: "You cannot kick-mute moderators.".
2
 
@Tin But didn't you say that it wasn't that good to have an RO un-RO a mod?
4
@Ano lol
 
I think maybe some RO's should be unROed now, because it's too complicated and there are too many consequences. if the chatroom should be organized, then not everybody should be an RO.
 
6:13 PM
@10R nah, no way...
 
@TechExpertWizard No? I said it wasn't that good for people to RO and un-RO each other continually...
 
@Tin oh...
 
Bye, @Tec!
Welcome, @Tec!
Welcome, @Vic!
 
@Feeds For what?
 
6:14 PM
@Tec huh?
 
@Tinkeringbell It was like jk.
 
2 mins ago, by 10 Rep
I think maybe some RO's should be unROed now, because it's too complicated and there are too many consequences. if the chatroom should be organized, then not everybody should be an RO.
@Vic Um, you know, the RO chaos.
 
@Tinkeringbell Technically there's the highly unlikely chance that suddenly thousands of users suddenly decide to downvote your posts...
 
I've only pinned one message before, and that's this one by tink: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8821498#8821498
 
@TechExpertWizard Good point. In other words, don't work under root XD
 
6:16 PM
But for some reason it's unpinned.
 
@AnnZen Messages automatically unpin after a week IIRC
 
@Ano Yeah...
 
@10Rep oh
 
@AnnZen oh
@VictorVosMottor lol
@AnnZen Hmm...
 
@10Rep I did expect my star to still be on it, so I went looking for it in the starred-by-me tab. But I was wrong.
 
6:17 PM
@10Rep yea...
 
Welcome, @Gru!
 
@AnnZen but I remember it was unpinned much faster than a week...
 
@TechExpertWizard yeah
 
Who unpinned this message?!
 
@AnnZen oh
@Ann so whatcha think is goin' on?
 
6:17 PM
26 mins ago, by Anonymous
@Tec Is there such a thing as democratic mods?
 
That's what I remembered too :D
@TechExpertWizard Naturally... ;)
 
Who is call @Grundy?
 
@Grundy Oh hello. Long time no see XD
 
@Grundy Tec's bot?
 
@Anonymous huh?
@Ano oh
 
6:18 PM
@AnnZen no, someone invite @Grundy
in this room
 
@AnnZen oh
@AnnZen meh
 
@Grundy Oh really? C'mon
 
@Grundy oh. i don't know
 
@Grundy heh
@VictorVosMottor heh
@AnnZen lol
@Grundy oh
 
@VictorVosMottor yarly
 
6:20 PM
Anyone who tells me a word that rhymes with "bulb" will be ROed.
 
@Grundy really?
@VictorVosMottor yea...
 
@Anonymous rulb
@Anonymous gulb
@Anonymous bulb
 
@Ann I don't believe someone invited him here. :P
 
@Grundy Wow, a mod came to spam a room. Nice.
 
@Anonymous dulb
 
6:20 PM
@Grundy meh
4
 
@Grundy Not words. And I meant other then bulb.
 
@Anonymous You don't lose moderator status then ;)
 
@Anonymous meh
@Grundy meh
@Grundy meh
@Grundy meh
 
@Anonymous why not a words?
words obviously
 
@Grundy meh
@Ano yea
 
6:22 PM
@Tinkeringbell It your rep goes below 10k you're still a mod?
 
@Tin lol
 
@Anonymous mod status not depends on reputation
 
@Grundy you know these ain't words...
 
@Tinkeringbell So if I try to kick-mute you (as a test), nobody would know, right?
 
You can't kick mute a moderator
 
6:23 PM
@10Rep I know.
 
@Anonymous heh
 
@TechExpertWizard why not words???
 
@Anonymous there's a difference between diamond moderators and 10k rep 'access to moderator tools' moderators ;)
 
@Grundy meh
 
@AnnZen Exactly :)
 
6:23 PM
@Grundy 'cause they are meaningless...
 
@10Rep I meant CMs won't see a "tried to kick-mute tink 12 times" on my profile.
 
@Grundy meh
@AnnZen It was already tested by Ano.
 
@VictorVosMottor just for you :)
 
Perhaps the web request is logged somewhere but I doubt anyone looks at that ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell What's the difference? I thought at 10k rep you got a diamond.
 
6:24 PM
@Anonymous hahaha no
 
@Anonymous nope
 
@10R heh, yea
 
@Grundy I bet for other ppl in this room (except probably you) they are too. So it is spam.
 
diamond just after election:)
 
You get a diamond by participating in an election
 
6:24 PM
@Anonymous heh no.
 
Bye, @Tec!
 
@VictorVosMottor пффффф
 
@Grundy now you are clear to me but not other ppl in the room. Not so friendly.
 
Bye, @10R!
Welcome, @10R!
 
So a 1 rep user could be a diamond moderator?
 
6:25 PM
@AnnZen yea...
 
@Anonymous nope, to run into election you have to have 125. Tho there's one -- Community (bot)
 
@Anonymous no, you need a minimum amount of reputation to even nominate in one
 
@Grundy because they're meaningless...
@Tinkeringbell oh
 
@Tinkeringbell yup
 
@VictorVosMottor and sometimes, very, very new SE staff
 
6:26 PM
@TechBOT nope, you doing it wrong
 
@Tinkeringbell heh...
@VictorVosMottor yea...
@Ann lol
 
@Tinkeringbell Ah yeah. Tho they are not really mods. They are CMs.
 
@Grundy meh
@Tinkeringbell ohk
@Anonymous heh
@Tinkeringbell lol
@Grundy meh
 
@VictorVosMottor Or devs... But yeah
 
@VictorVosMottor yea
@Grundy meh
@Tinkeringbell oh
 
6:27 PM
Go look it up, there's probably a good faq post on MSE :) I gotta go now
 
@VictorVosMottor lol
@Grundy meh
@VictorVosMottor yea...
@Ano lol
@VictorVosMottor yep
@Tinkeringbell oh
@VictorVosMottor ohk
 
@Tinkeringbell bye o/
 
@Tinkeringbell oh
@Gru meh
@VictorVosMottor yea... e.g. Jon Ericson...
@Tinkeringbell yea... devs...
@Tin ohk
@Vic heh
tb leave
@TechBOT Leaving...
 
switch account!
 
@Gru meh, I was getting very long chat rate limits.
Now I gotta define the boundaries for "Noisy Night #3."
@TechExpertWizard ~ WTF?!
 
6:33 PM
@TechExpertWizard in which sense?
 
status-gtg
 
@Vic I was trying to bookmark "Noisy Night #3," but it won't work because I selected 479 messages.
 
@Anonymous o/
 
status-ok-but-what-about-your-bot
@Vic meh
Anynobot, repeat meh
 
meh
 
6:34 PM
@Ano oh...
anyone still here to play WAG?
@AnnBOT oh
 
ok
@AnnBOT test
 
@TechExpertWizard gee
 
status-I-wanna-play-real-human-WAG
 
@AnnZen standard
 
@TechExpertWizard ok
 
6:35 PM
status-thx
 
@AnnBOT real-human-wag
 
@AnnZen What's real human wag?
 
status-lol
 
@TechExpertWizard what she said
 
status-lol
status-meh
 
6:36 PM
[status-ok[
 
status-WTF

Noisy Night #3

54 mins ago, 43 minutes total – 333 messages, 10 users, 15 stars

Bookmarked 7 secs ago by Tech Expert Wizard

why am I by far always the most message-active user in conversations?
 
@TechExpertWizard You've got 400 "heh"s, more or less :)
 
6:55 PM
@Ann lol
hey @Spe!
 
Tada!!
Bye, @Tec!
 
Hello! I saw some flags raised on stuff that didn't seem too crazy, so I figured I would pop in and say hi.
 
Welcome, @Tec!
 
@Spe Oh. Hmm, who raised those flags then?
 
I can't see who, only that they were raised.
 
6:57 PM
Oh. Well, would you like to play with my chatbot?
ab: alive
Anynobot, repeat meh
 
meh
 
ab: define smth
@AnnBOT wag
 
I think I'm okay for now.
 
OK.
Well, then bye!
 
Aw, I thought he'd play with me.
Welcome, @Vic!
 
6:59 PM
Oh, @Spevacus, hi!
 
@Vic heh
 
Hi!
 
Bye, @Ann!
Welcome, @Vos!
 
vsb alive
 
Ya really doubt me huh?
 
7:01 PM
@Vos heh
vsb js log("@Spe I'm also an interesting bot.");
 
@TechExpertWizard don'tcha work???
 
@Vic vsb is broken/borked. :P
vsb dead
 
@Spe I'm also an interesting bot.
 
vsb alive
 
vsb alive
@Vos oh
 
7:02 PM
@Spe I'm also an interesting bot.
 
@Vic it's very slow...
 
@Spe I'm also an interesting bot.
@Spe I'm also an interesting bot.
 
@TechExpertWizard IDK why tho
 
Y'really thought y'can do it huh?
 
@Vic yea...
 
7:02 PM
Ya really doubt me huh?
 
@VosMottor'sBot XD
 
Ya really doubt me huh?
 
@VosMottor'sBot huh?
 
@VictorVosMottor lol good one
@Vic 😉
vsb AAAAAAAAAAAH
 
7:03 PM
Y'really thought y'can do it huh?
 
Welcome, @Son!
 
@Vos lol BTW I find it gets faster after it gets used somewhat.
@Tec ~ WTF?!
That ain't intended. :P
MOST NUMBER OF USERS IN CAFE!!!
 
Can the person who flagged these two messages chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8837372#8837372 and chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8837378#8837378 please explain why they believe these messages to be a violation of the Code of Conduct? I don't see why, but maybe I'm missing something.
In less blatant cases, please use the moderator flag option to clearly explain the violation. That flag should only be used for blatant cases.
 
@Sonic OK.
 
@TechExpertWizard now real CoC breaking
 
7:07 PM
Um... Let's be a bit nicer to Grundy please?
 
@Vic who broke it?
 
@TechExpertWizard you
 
@Spe OK, sorry.
 
@Spevacus Yeah
 
@VictorVosMottor meh
 
7:07 PM
@TechExpertWizard Throwing around allegations that one's broken the code is a violation of the code on your part. If you believe that there's a violation, please report it to SE using the contact form.
 
@Vic meh
@Sonic OK, thanks!
 
@TechExpertWizard meh
 
@Vic meh
@Vos huh?
@Vos ~ WTF?!
 
sigh
 
And yes, I do appreciate if you'd stop calling users "dumb". It can be seen as demeaning.
 
7:09 PM
Would you mind moving those to trash?
 
@Spevacus Sorry, apparently this bot is sending this message by itself. I'll trash it.
 
Not a room owner here
 
@SonictheCuriouserHedgehog Sorry.
 
@Spevacus lol, just my bot's a bit slow XD IDK why
 
But the CoC applies to every room
 
7:09 PM
@Spe Sure.
@SonictheCuriouserHedgehog I know.
@Vic heh
 
@VosMottor'sBot ...as well as program any bots to not do such.
 
@SonictheCuriouserHedgehog ohk
@Sonic Yeah...
There. Problemo solved.
 
I see those messages have been flagged. As they were (apparently) said by a bot, I'm going to not take action on them provided I'm given assurance that the bot has been reprogrammed to not say such things. (cc @VictorVosMottor)
 
@Sonic OK, thanks!
 
Welcome, @Ann!
 
7:13 PM
@SonictheCuriouserHedgehog you got notified of flags in this room?
 
Yes, all 10k+ users get notified of chat flags, and can vote to handle them in certain ways.
Only the "spam/offensive" flag, though; the moderator flag option goes only to diamond mods
 
@Ann Yeah...
@SonictheCuriouserHedgehog ohk
@Sonic ohk
 
@SonictheCuriouserHedgehog gee, i didn't know that
 
You know, just because I say I have to go doesn't mean y'all immediately get to make a mess of things again....
 
@Ann oh
@Tin Sorry.
 
7:15 PM
So being RO doesn't allow you to handle flags in the room...
 
@Ann Yeah...
 
No, RO privileges on their own don't.
 
@Sonic ohk
 
1 message moved to Trash Bin
 
@Ann Sorry, I shouldn't have said that he should've been de-modded or whatever.
vsb alive
 
7:19 PM
Those messages posted by the bot were flag-deleted, so it's received an automatic suspension.
 
VosMottor's Bot is currently under an automatic suspension due to the flags raised earlier. Somewhat understandable given the content.
 
@Sonic OK.
@Spe ohk
 
I'm gonna ask that we never refer to another user as "dumb" like that again, or invoke a bot to do so. That's just... Not cool, alright?
 
@Spe OK, sure, thanks!
Now, what shall we do now?
 
deep breaths
 
7:22 PM
@Ann hey, I just saw a bunch of messages starred, who suddenly unstarred all of 'em? (BTW not blaming you tho...)
 
@TechExpertWizard I didn't
 
Room owners and mods can clear stars on messages
 
@Ann Me neither.
@Sonic I know, I've never used it tho, who did it?
 
I'm gonna go ahead and exit stage left on this one. Not my place to iterate on what should or shouldn't happen here any longer.
 
@Spe OK, I promise this type of event won't happen again. Thanks!
 
7:24 PM
Could this room use a timeout?
 
@Ann Well, we're all ROs, so we can still chat here. BTW please don't.
tb alive
 
@TechExpertWizard No need to worry, I'm alive.
Welcome, @Des!
 
I hope there were no more flags raised. And if there are, I'm really curious about who raised them.
 
There are no more flags currently pending.
 
@Spe ohk, that's great. BTW as an RO, I have responsibility for everything that happened here (especially things I caused by myself), so I apologize for the unnecessary flags and other events that possibly violate the CoC. I'll work with the other ROs to make sure this doesn't happen again. Anyway, thanks!
 
7:30 PM
@TechExpertWizard Thanks :D
 
Bye, @Vic!
 
@Ann My pleasure. BTW who's starring messages and who's unstarring 'em?
 
@TechExpertWizard idk
 
@Ann hmm... this is a mystery...
 
Except for tink, they will know.
 
7:32 PM
@Ann IDK if mods have those kinds of powers, e.g. I don't think they can find out who raised those chat flags.
 
I'm fairly certain they can.
 
@Spe ohk, well then that's great, because I wanna know who caused that.
 
Mods can see many things.
Like they can see whose bot is whose without looking at their names.
 
I am thinking of a new tag that might be appropriate on MSE. Where should I go to discuss this? Is here a good place?
 
@DescartesBeforetheHorse Hmm... if you want to discuss with more seasoned users, shadow's den would be better
 
7:36 PM
Ok thanks
 
Though feel free to discuss here.

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