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12:41 AM

It's ok, I'm alive

Journeyman Geek

For now

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1:03 AM

Damn dude

Journeyman Geek

MOMENTO MORI

ON THIS PLANET, YOU WILL DIE!

(or mars, if we actually get off our collective terrestially bound arses fast enough)

user202362

you will probably die if you relocate to another planet too, but that's not the point ...

Journeyman Geek

lol

its a quote from one of the Dune RTSes

1 hour later…

2:06 AM

How did this make it to HNQ? electronics.stackexchange.com/q/293397/78499

Clickbait title.

"This looks like a ridiculous question, I better check it."

Journeyman Geek

2:20 AM

could always throw it the appropriate votes

user315433

2:31 AM

Major "voting correction" on Drupal: -6355 to one user‌, -2627 to another‌. Both on March 10.

Holy moly

3:00 AM

Lol

user202362

3:47 AM

too many nice things in a short time can be annoying - because you are so busy trying to cram everything in, you are too busy to enjoy much of anything

user202362

I ❤️ my life

user202362

at the moment at least ...

4:06 AM

Ummm what's with all the stars?

3

4:21 AM

→ 7 messages moved to Chimney

wipes hands

That was annoying.

4:34 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body: Try Premier Penis Pills For Positively Nothing by Nkslyt on graphicdesign.SE

is that honest spam?

Journeyman Geek

5:14 AM

Its alliterative at least

@NormalHuman .... ow

That's more reputation than my #3 site networkwide I think

2 hours later…

7:02 AM

@JonEricson So now I'm deep into checking this whitespace link thing. I've got all of Metasmoke's database but it's highly skewed in that it only consists of things that SmokeDetector already detected. I'd love a collection of the URLs listed here (all the original text of spam/offensive posts). How can I request this, possibly under an NDA, and be convincing in my request?

Journeyman Geek

7:52 AM

@JasonC if you want to make your life more annoying...

some spammers also try to hide links under periods.

8:07 AM

bleh... worst idea I've seen for long time.

@JamesENL star fest, it happens sometimes in here

8:31 AM

@ShadowWizard Yeah.... but not usually like that. They all got reversed anyway

9:07 AM

@ShadowWizard he seems to have a particular talent for those

user202362

I mean, I admire people who sacrifice themselves so others might look better

@Telkitty hmm?

@Bart yup... he'll do anything to try and harm the moderators as whole.

@ShadowWizard That's a keyboard, not Oded

user202362

@ShadowWizard everything is by comparison, an group idiots next to you will make you look like a genius, just like sacrificed lamb might be great roast lamb

@Telkitty tell that to Isaac (the game character, not the original one)

9:19 AM

@Derpy haha! 1:0

@Telkitty still don't get what you mean... or at least how it's related to that answer I linked to? crying for not being that genius you mention ;)

@ShadowWizard "A very unpopular answer will make other answers look better by comparison"

9:35 AM

oh

@Telkitty you should hire @Derpy to work for you as spokesman. Or spokespony, actually. :D

@Telkitty it's why I look so brilliant in The Tavern

2

@Bart no, that's due to the shiny stars

True

heh, Charcoal room is busy, spam nuked in 21 seconds on MSE. Wonder if auto flags were also used?

lol, this became Reversal badge factory.

> replaced meta.stackoverflow.com with meta.stackoverflow.com

MSO is fully HTTPS now

10:35 AM

@ShadowWizard yep, 3 autoflags. metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/61316

→ 19 messages moved to Chimney

Journeyman Geek

11:23 AM

@ShadowWizard or at least a potential reversal badge factory

11:54 AM

@ShadowWizard so spoke "Shadow Wizzard, Closet Brony"

don't worry, we won't reveal thy secret

;)

I got email from Microsoft Talent saying they're impressed from my Stack Overflow profile and inviting me for interview. o_O

@ShadowWizard how'd they get your email?

They must be desperate, hunting down SO users like that. :D

@Stijn it's in the profile, though as image. So likely no bots involved.

Journeyman Geek

nice

my name probably has been in their black list for a long time.

11:58 AM

lol

@angussidney think you meant this link, yeah. :)

Who is Lea Cohen?

12:12 PM

@ShadowWizard got those from Facebook/Oculus

@Bart huh, good for you! ;)

Also interesting they used my real name and mentioned my LinkedIn profile as well.

"The call is coming from inside the house"

/me writes feature request for implementing save point — rene 1 min ago

LOL

110 responses on MSE ... holy frick, what did I do? Ah, https rewrites ...

yup, found a bug in it. Writing it now.

Journeyman Geek

12:37 PM

lol

umm.... is this real?!

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@ShadowWizard yes but it's not as weird as you'd think it is

there's an explanation somewhere on the internet

@Stijn train inside a building. How is that not weird? lol

@ShadowWizard I just looked it up again, it's located in Chongqing.

apparently there's a stop inside the building, and it doesn't produce a lot of noise for those living there

Journeyman Geek

We have something like that in a shopping mall

also that looks like LRT/monorail

those are much quieter

12:53 PM

Still.... it's like those fake images I see online sometimes. (aliens on the moon, monsters in lakes etc.)

Journeyman Geek

SMRT Bukit Panjang LRT C801 [104]: Bukit Panjang to Ten Mile Junction (to Ten Mile Junction)

Not the same, but close enough?

user202362

here, plenty of tall buildings are built on top of train stations

1:20 PM

Ah, you're from Singapore @JourneymanGeek? Cool place. Lived there for a month in 2010.

Journeyman Geek

Yuo

Yup even

:D

user202362

@Bart you look so bright ... like this?

user202362

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But with longer arms

user202362

1:25 PM

and shorter tail?

After the surgery, yes

@ShadowWizard Technically, I guess a human on the moon is an alien

Does anyone get this? Because I feel we're talking past each other somehow ...

@Bart Now there is nothing back, as to explain this to the other around 20 people reacted here, and to the 228 who viewed this post, because none of them mentioned this, thus maybe even they don't know them. — peterh 55 secs ago

user202362

and if human colonized Mars, those humans would be neutralized martians?

@JourneymanGeek now you've gone and made me nostalgic. Got to visit that place again some time with less pressure. The food ... oh glorious food.

1:33 PM

@Bart I don't get the question itself to begin with

What on earth is that user talking about?

For as far as I understand it, he would like moderators to be more open about particular issues (iirc he explicitly asked for suspension reasons and the like some time ago), but he feels the are somehow "oppressed" by SE

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MoooooJooo Jojo!!

2:05 PM

One of our government's websites currently has a banner asking to return at a later time, because they can't handle the current 10,000 simultaneous visitors.

At least they're honest, I guess

It always amuses me when you see people claim what kind of infrastructure they need to handle what aren't all that many visitors ... and then you see the SO/SE blog posts about what they in effect have to handle theirs

user202362

2:17 PM

I have not been oppressed for quite a while

/msg ChanServ DEVOICE Telkitty

2:45 PM

:o

@oded is so slow ...

Journeyman Geek

@Telkitty you need to be a moderator for proper oppression

user315433

3:09 PM

Or to be an oppressor for proper moderation.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body: are windows phones safe? by user26936 on windowsphone.SE

3:28 PM

Must be getting "old". Never before I noticed that Pinke was in Terraria.

4:23 PM

Old is the new Young.

@Bart who is @oded? I know only @Oded.

@Stijn I read that as DIVORCE. :-D

@Stijn of which 9000 are smart toasters.

They should hire @Nick to mitigate the attack.

@ShadowWizard Oded's evil twin

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Are there translations of Ancient writing from Stargate: Atlantis? by user80041 on scifi.SE

1 hour later…

6:04 PM

I hate how Pringles are made for people with tiny hands, eating potato chips shouldn't be this hard

user315433

Good Lifehacks question potential there.

"Dump them out"

user315433

Doesn't look like it was asked already. The closest I found is How to eat chips with out getting hands dirty

I life hack

user315433

Suppose you don't have anywhere to dump them. Maybe you're in a car, or a movie theater.

6:08 PM

Get something healthier :P

@ɥʇǝS this was the only thing within hand reach :p

@ɥʇǝS get out of here ;)

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6:21 PM

@NormalHuman Latex gloves?

@rene Seems to be good advice ;-)

@NormalHuman you shake the can to break them up, and then pour them into your mouth

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@Stijn So the tube's diameter doesn't fit? Just turn the opening downwards, and let gravity work for you.

@Stijn Should I take that as a political statement?

@πάνταῥεῖ I'll try that next time, the tube is empty now :p

πάντα ῥεῖ

Just throwing in a nice cat vid:

Cat Is A Junk Food Junkie! Eats Potato Chips When He Gets The Munchies!

@πάνταῥεῖ oh it's cute now, but next time that person tries to eat chips...

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6:31 PM

@Stijn Well, gravity still works on at tiny handed people. Heads up! ;-)

And I meant no disrespect to people with hands smaller than mine!

:D

Just tilt he tube and dump it into your mouth.

Pringles are an excercise in control.

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The dark matter works slowly it seems, I've read that recently in Sci News

@bjb568 Ah, yes tilt was that frickin' word I was looking for.

:3

@πάνταῥεῖ ahh, I thought you meant I should turn the can upside down and move it up bit by bit :p

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6:37 PM

@Stijn That's another strategy. Most important though, don't let tiny handed people getting near your Pringles can!

7:07 PM

> There isn't a dreamweaver tag, is there? Oh... there is.

That disappointment ^

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@rene Yeah, dreamweaver is a pretty disappointing tool, I have to agree.

user315433

@Shog9 Crumbled chips don't taste as good as whole ones.

Oh wow I forgot dreamweaver existed.

πάντα ῥεῖ

How so????
Probably not the taste, but different sensations related to haptics and sound?

@πάνταῥεῖ You've been dreamweaver'd

πάντα ῥεῖ

7:18 PM

@JasonC It's quite a time ago I saw my boss freaking out about that tool, when trying to make a reasonable (and predictable) rendering for our customers' catalogues.

@rene Not me fortunately ;-)

user315433

Seems like some questions were closed because they made the mistake of using a certain tag rather than actually being close-worthy. It feels like a waste of time. Certainly there are bigger fish to fry than well-worded, well-answered, upvoted, programming questions. I think I'll be a little quicker to destroy tags next time. — Jon Ericson ♦ 2 hours ago

user315433

I think the whole "there are some bad questions in the tag, and if the tag is simply removed we will never see them. The horror!" logic should be burninated itself.

yeah, people tend to focus on the bad that was, instead of the bad that is coming RIGHT NOW

like, bad that nobody knew was there.. isn't nearly as bad as the new bad coming in today.

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@ɥʇǝS The only constant things I know are: 1. Bad things will come up 2. Everything will change

Regarding empy / whitespace links, @JasonC...

I decided to do a bit of a sanity-check

SQL is not a good tool for parsing HTML, but it does have the advantage of not needing to first compile and index a local database

7:30 PM

@Shog9 should've used regex

So, I ran a simple check for empty links on all posts created in the past 365 days, which would detect an empty link if it was the first or only link in the post.

I found exactly 1 spam-deleted post, out of a total of 203 occurrences; the most common source of these links is images where the author cannot inline an image but has for some reason deleted the boilerplate without replacing it.

But of course, one might easily envision a scenario where a spammer would include multiple links, with the first being visible.

There are probably dozens of bad ways to check for this using SQL, but clearly a recursive CTE is both the easiest and worst.

So that's what I used.

30 days worth of posts on Stack Overflow took nearly 2 minutes to run

and returned 32 results, of which none were spam-deleted and one was offensive-deleted (the link was to a not-inlined image)

Taylor Swift - Everything Has Changed ft. Ed Sheeran

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7:51 PM

@ɥʇǝS It's a nice feature of that room, that we're allowed to communicate via one-box videos ;-)

@Shog9 I saw extremely similar results running against what was in the Metasmoke database: comment at github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/…

Last night I wasn't entirely convinced that MS was a good representative sample - since it's only what smokey picked up - but more and more it seems close.

Related: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/36162102#36162102 and chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/36159978#36159978, as far as MS coverage goes.

To be clear I'm a big naysayer of that white-space only link check. I think it's pointless.

And that was 2 years worth of smokey-detected posts.

It's an extremely poor indicator of spam, but I'm of a mind that we should probably block them simply because there's no good use for them and it would appear that the common case is a new user shooting themselves in the foot.

Yeah, that's why I haven't been like... passionately railing against it. It doesn't really help anything but you can't argue that a link like that ever makes sense.

That said, you'd be adding a filter that so far only would've saved like a couple dozen users shooting themselves in the foot, which generally seem to be corrected soon after by edits anyways.

Area 51 style post filters. Everybody's got to have their own special one to make them feel warm and fuzzy.

You'd have to be careful though. The majority of the small number of links I found like that with some merciless text analysis were e.g. in code blocks and made sense. It'd have to happen after html rendering.

@JasonC I'm not exactly champing at the bit; just something for the TODO pile.

@JasonC I'm not really seeing how an empty link ever makes sense...

(but, I don't know how you were parsing these either)

[ ](...) never makes sense.

I was grabbing the raw html that the se api returns and pulling links with jsoup, so actually parsing them (and also parsing their text after unescaping entities). I didn't use a regex to find links.

8:06 PM

There's already logic to parse out links (for the purpose of limiting new users to n links per post), so I'd want something similar to validate those links (if it ain't clickable, it ain't a link).

Yeah. See the one thing that gets me about it is there's like a zillion ways to make a link that looks blank with your favorite Unicode control characters or weird spaces. So if a user was trying to troll (which was the case in the majority of the few legit cases I found), it's not like they couldn't easily work around it.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Salesforce CTI save log after call by Brooke Harper on salesforce.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Help for Open CTI by Brooke Harper on salesforce.SE

A pair of thin spaces with a variation selector in the middle, etc. Even SE's filters now aren't 100% perfect when it comes to space, e.g. zero-width spaces count as characters in comments.

I'd feel different if there weren't an infinite number of ways to make something that looks like a space.

8:23 PM

tl;dr: Unicode ruins everything

Depends on your perspective, lol. If your goal is to annoy, combiners and RTL control characters are like bacon for text.

user315433

8:42 PM

> Lifecycle is a weird term considering that any given lifecycle only runs once, not actually cycling. -- Grace Note

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@NormalHuman Though there are recurring patterns. The bad thing is, you'll forget them when dying usually.

1 hour later…

9:58 PM

@Stijn alien to the aliens, true.

@Bart oh no. Just don't bring @bart here, it will be horrible!

@Stijn easy: turn the whole package downwards, catch as many as you can. Profit.

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(but first take the cat out)

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It me, @ShadowWizard ^^^

@Oded whoa. Oded Overflow.

:P

:D

I'm sure it wouldn't surprise you that "Toaster" was certainly used at school/high-school

10:02 PM

You really burn all the bugs, aren't you? @Oded :D

The bugs are toast

@Oded rofl... yeah, though usually first names are used more for those. Mr. Toaster. :P

e.g. עודד המעודד is classic..... :D :D :D

שודד, בודד also came up

oh, lol... creative friends you had.... :D

But worst IMO is Ronen. And the inevitable rhyme. :/

So, @Oded had rough times at high school. Noted. ;)

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@ShadowWizard My fav is the kittens in mugs. But your post may explain bout that Pringles and small hands as well.

10:07 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ kittens in mugs is so 2000. Time to move on! :D

That reminds me of the kittens in klein bottles controversy.

Someone photoshopped those, some people thought they were real... and got angry :)

@Oded LOL... in Israel?

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@ShadowWizard Seems to be I'm late :-P

@ShadowWizard possibly too. Was an early Internet thing.

@πάνταῥεῖ that's a terrifying sentence, coming from a girlfriend........ :D

10:09 PM

Bonsai Kitten was a satirical website which claimed that you could make a "shaped" cat by putting a kitten in a jar and letting it grow into the shape of the jar. It was named after bonsai, a Japanese art in which trees are shaped. The site was made by a university student with the nickname "Dr. Michael Wong Chang". The site claimed that many different shapes and "containment vessels" are possible, including a cube, a sphere, a wire cage, and even a Klein bottle. Supposedly, the kittens are force-fed through a tube, and the kitten's anus is sealed with super glue. == Other websites == Bonsai Kitten...

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@ShadowWizard I've got no girlfriend. Just an ex-wife and beloved non-daughter!

@Oded oh, lol.... yeah think it was in one of the first chain emails I remember. Hated those from the first moment, for some reason.

@πάνταῥεῖ non-daughter... meaning her daughter from before she was with you?

If so, nice that you are still in touch. :)

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@ShadowWizard She's my daughter of course, forget about that biological part!

@πάνταῥεῖ so why did you use "non"? confused

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@ShadowWizard Non biological, but that's not really relevant for my part so far.

10:15 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ oh, so I was right. ;)

Hey, @πάνταῥεῖ you're older than me then? Not many here are. :D

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@ShadowWizard Not really, she was one of the reason I divorced with my ex-wfe.

@πάνταῥεῖ the daughter of your wife, which wasn't yours, was a reason to divorce? If you throw such a thing, better give some details.... ;)

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@ShadowWizard My beard is quite grey ;-). If I just shave I'd look 10 years younger or so.

@ShadowWizard It's a long (irrelevant) story ;-)

@πάνταῥεῖ so, 40-ish?

I start having grey hairs these days.... :/

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@ShadowWizard What's your age? I'm going to get 53 this year.

10:20 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ not fair... you leave me with desire to know the story.... :D

@πάνταῥεῖ nice... so you'll be 14 years older than what I will be in July. :)

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@ShadowWizard It's quite complicated, sorry.

@πάνταῥεῖ wrong reply, unless your age is complicated? ;-)

(lol, doesn't really matter, WAG just made me really reply-sensitive ;))

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@ShadowWizard Age isn't that much complicated. I'm gonna easing up upon all of that more and more.

@πάνταῥεῖ yup, I know. In 14 years my kids will be almost grown up. Can't imagine that...

user315433

> How do programmers in Brooklyn & Manhattan differ? Brooklyn more Haskell, Ruby and Delphi; Manhattan more Spring, Excel and Hadoop #rstats pic.twitter.com/jHJKn5hzCz -- David Robinson at 2:58 PM - 20 Mar 2017 from Manhattan, NY

10:28 PM

Sweet. I'm the only C++ programmer in Brooklyn.

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So the story is: My Ex-Wife betrayed me and got pregnant. She disclosed that at any time. We wanted to have a child together, and I still accepted that this way. My Ex-Wife insisted we'll get divorced, and I don't have any relatedness to her daughter.
That somehow threw backwards, since I still have contact to my "non-daughter", and I still support them at a voluntary basis. I'm all fine with that, and I really love my "non daugher"

@JasonC Hey real c++ Programmers are rare

user315433

10:45 PM

My favorite might be U+1F609 U+1F93F WINKING FACE VOMITING.

Ha

... what just happened

@NormalHuman Aw, no "VOMITING CAT FACE WITH SMILING EYES". Missed opportunity.

@JasonC presumably you're selling hand-crafted artisan C++ code then.

@Shog9 All my applications are gluten-free.

not the shoddy mass-market stuff that doesn't even come with calligraphed labels.

I only use the finest local variables.

user315433

10:50 PM

I prefer the "artisanal" spelling as the more expressive one.

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@NormalHuman Don't focus too much about the anal part please!

Contains 100% of your recommended daily allowance!

each template lovingly instantiated using a reclaimed cast-iron precompiler from 1993

Lol. I realize this conversation is supposed to be funny, but in reality it's just making me angry at the pretentious coffee shop down the street.

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@JasonC Have a kitten in your mug: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/5869318#5869318

user202362

11:00 PM

buy a cup of coffee & get 1 kitten + 1000 fleas for free!

user315433

I mostly drink artisanal instant coffee these days.

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@Telkitty Is there a way to get these fleas without coffee and kittens??

user202362

yes, fleas are always attracted to you

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@Telkitty So you have to call me actually?

Slarti@Bart fass is on!

Saywotnow?

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11:09 PM

@Bart Norway, man! That was a great job!

/me is thoroughly confused

Time to go to bed

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@Bart I did intend that ;-) But thanks for all the fish ...

yesterday, by Jason C

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There were some routing issues from our Melbourne POP back to our origin, causing error pages for some users. Things look stable again now.

Tweeted by GBrayUT on March 20, 2017 at 11:09 PM

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@JasonC sure!

Journeyman Geek

11:30 PM

@Oded turn the can on its side, tilt it when you can't reach any more.

@πάνταῥεῖ whoa... man, you're too good. I mean... can't see myself doing those things. But can't know until it happens so...

Anyway, congrats for being so good, bet she didn't expect it. So how old is the daughter by now?

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@ShadowWizard She's 13 and loves me. The latter is all that counts.

@NormalHuman interesting, I got place with such name just near home: google.co.uk/maps/place/Asaf+ARTISANAL+coffee/…

@πάνταῥεῖ good to hear that... and she lives with her mother, I guess?

@NormalHuman I wonder, why vomit always appear green in icons? It's not green in reality. /cc @Jason ;-)

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@ShadowWizard "and she lives with her mother, I guess?" Yes. But we're in tight contact, and have activities together almost all weekends. We're family somehow.

11:45 PM

8

Q: Why is the colour green associated with both growth and illness?

Why is the colour green often associated with negativity? Green is paired with jealousy, envy, vomit, immaturity, etc. Yet it is the colour of growth and freshness. In other words, the natural association of the colour green is with something positive. This is true down to its etymology, as the...

etymology colors

@πάνταῥεῖ yup. You got legal custody over her, I hope? I mean, so that the mother won't be able to just take her one day and disappear.

@JasonC hehe, good find! ;)

user202362

growths of other organisms inside/on you implies the illness of you?

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No, but that's unlikely to happen.
We've found our balance I believe.

@Telkitty depends what organisms, I guess

Some are good, some not really.

@πάνταῥεῖ glad to hear that! So you don't plan to have more children?

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@ShadowWizard No, that one is enough already. Also I'd have to going into a serious relationship with some women to have more children. Just sent to my murtaugh list: I'm too old for that **** :-P ...

11:55 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ :)

If I request a moderator to delete an accepted answer of mine when there is a better answer available, and the original asker neglected to accept it, do I receive the Disciplined badge?

I'd like to know prior to deleting, but i will flag it for deletion anyway. FYI

@can-ned_food nope

Journeyman Geek

You need to self delete for Disciplined

and I'd think leaving the answer in place, and pointing at the better answer feels like a better way to do it

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