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Derpy

"safely assume"

Stijn

found it, was looking for 'deduce' :)

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn sounds fine to me. :)

@Stijn oh. good!

Derpy

or you could go the route I one did while building a DTO mapper during a refactoring of a very poorly written project

Stijn

@Derpy "safely assume" that your changes would work? :)

Derpy

2:29 PM

at the end, the class was called "DtoAthanor" and the conversion method was something like "CalcinateEntity"

also know as "purify by fire"

Derpy

2:39 PM

oh.

@InfiniteRecursion Quack, quack queeek (Hi Infinite, what brings you here today?)

Stijn

Too bad Programmers got such a long name now, now you have to type "site:softwareengineering.stackexchange.com" when googling

Derpy

3:01 PM

so... just happened at my office.

I go to the vending machine and there is a piece of paper with "we are doing some work on the payment system, if the card/key credit does not display after some second try removing the card"

I put the prepaid key in, put a 5gp banknote in... and it goes poff.

No credit was charged.

Magisch

My bosses are flabbergasted why they can't hire another programmer

Derpy

I then remove the prepaid key... and surprise. The display shows a 50 $ credit.

Magisch

They offer 18k yearly salary (only just over min wage) but want a minimum 4 year uni CS degree and 2 years industry experience.

Derpy

I put the key back in... no credit. Remove it -50 $ again

Bart

@Magisch yeah ... how about "No".

Derpy

3:05 PM

I bought snacks for the original 5$ i put it then another guy comes, buys a coffee with his key...

Magisch

@Bart At least we don't have to conduct interviews (They would have us do them)

Derpy

the 45 $ left were gone

I am somehow tempted to try and see if the bug can be reproduced

Bart

@Magisch in plenty of interviews I've had at the start, either the interviewer had no idea what it is I'm doing, or they didn't care because they were made to interview me. The best question ever asked was "If I were to hire you, ... what is it that you would be doing here?"

Magisch

@Bart tbh I would have no clue how to properly interview a programmer

Derpy

@Magisch it really depends on what you are really doing.

Magisch

3:09 PM

A code challenge perhaps? But I'm an apprentice myself, so what good is my word vs a professional programmer with uni degree and 2 years experience ...

Bart

@Magisch it's difficult. Generally it's not a bad idea (imho) to weed out the worst with a simple online programming test before they even visit.

And it highly depends on the position you're hiring for of course.

Derpy

first, decide if you want a developer to trust or a code monkey to enslave. Technical questions are only OT for the first category... if you are looking for a slave you should focus your question on exploring how desperate for food he is

Magisch

My own interview for the apprenticeship went like "So you can code, right?" "Well, a tiny bit" "Write hello world in c on this paper" "Ok good enough"

#include <stdio.h>
int main (void) {
printf("Hello World!");
return 0;
}

Bart

Awww ... totally missed the chance to write "hello world in c"

Magisch

I wanted that job

so no room for eventualities

Stijn

3:17 PM

I interviewed with Stack Overflow a couple years ago and had to implement basic algorithms on a notepad-like website while in a Hangout. I was pretty bad at it, but aside from that found the interview method questionable at the least.

And that's the only coding interview I ever had, all others are mostly "get to know you" interviews

Magisch

@Stijn :o

I'm a little sad Stack hires only senior developers, I'd love to apply there after my apprenticeship is done

Derpy

@Stijn once during an interview I was presented with two sheets of paper (A4) filled with random characters

they then proceed to ask me if I could find out the 10 different characters in 5 minutes

Stijn

@Derpy ...what

Derpy

note: by "filled with random characters" I mean like this:

> fhufhiuryuhhdfhgduhgdfghdjhd ghdgudhguieeruihgdfghdfghdfjgndfjgndfjgnjhrgiufwieurkrjifojsdfisjdkgnfjgdfudfhdf‌udfiughdfgjnduidfhsrjenvu8vsjdoijfklrmwr390jrgentnu7dgfdgyrbrjklòt4uitojgijnsdpyh‌sduhurhwefsudfhsd

fill the whole A4 page with this and you get the idea.

Stijn

I would have thanked them for their time and walked out. What did you do?

Derpy

3:24 PM

what they didn't consider is that if you put the two sheets next each other and then look at them like a stenography image you would clearly see the different characters "float" above the others.

in the end I took the two sheets, hold them in front of me, pulled out a "look at me, I have esp powers" not even Derren Brown could have done and found out the then characters in about 10 seconds.

Stijn

@Magisch They don't only hire seniors I think, but the bar is (understandably) set pretty high due to the volume of candidates.

Derpy

the look on their face I still remember....

Stijn

maybe you were the first to solve it :p

Derpy

I asked them the purpose of the test.... they said that they wanted people with eagle eye to spot wrong characters in printed memory dumps

I then proceeded to show them my impression of a cuttlefish.

Spray some ink in their face and run away as fast as you can.

Stijn

:D

Shadow Wizard

3:37 PM

He had his chance, @Sha - you snooze, you lose. — Oded ♦ 30 secs ago

lol

Bart

Oh the glorious MSE rep.

Stijn

FGITW :)

Derpy

so, now that the site is up, I wonder if Shog will have that very bad time this year.

Oct 27 at 9:30, by Derpy

@JonEricson I hereby suggest that this year the tradition of boat hats (started by the Hairboat one in 2014 that required pinging Abby and then continued in 2015 with the Hairboat's Revenge one that required pinging you) lives on with a new installment called the "Sunkboat". This hat will feature a boat wrapped in the tentacles of Cthulhu and will require pinging SHOG9

who wants to be the guinea pig to test this one when Winter Bash starts?

M.A.R.

@Derpy Derpy

Derpy

And how many want to bet that they will have their revenge by actually having an hat that requires pinging me?

@M.A.R. that would be cheating since I was the one proposing the hat. I can't.

hichris123

3:45 PM

@zaq Considered, yes. Actually done it, no.

→ 40 messages moved to Chimney

M.A.R.

4:00 PM

@ShadowWizard Well he emailed someone that looked like making an honest mistake. He doesn't do that for all spammers

user315433

More ads for ru.so await me in near future: there is an experiment on linking questions between sites so that visitors to the English version will get an invitation to the other one, provided they have that language setting...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Email in answer: Why can't I download an already purchased game on steam to my other pc? (VIA STEAM) by Sahil Rashid on gaming.stackexchange.com

user315433

!!/report writers.stackexchange.com/a/25345

user315433

5:20 PM

Out of five Product Managers, two have a clearly defined role (at present at least): Kit is working on Developer Story, Desiree on Jobs. I couldn't figure out what the other three are managing... in particular, I don't see any PM with the kind of meta presence that Laura had.

user315433

Well, Chance appears to manage Enterprise, which explains the lack of visible activity.

Magisch

@zaq zaq

are you a business analyst? I've seen you analysing stuff almost every time I see you in here :P

user315433

Without the business part.

Magisch

Is just analyst a profession?

Like, just analysing everything

user315433

Okay, not everything. Mostly the sort of stuff you failed at Uni.

Magisch

5:33 PM

So differential equations, graphs and predicate logic?

user315433

Yeah, the mathy kind of stuff.

Magisch

grr

Do you have a math degree then

user315433

Yes, got a few of those.

Magisch

look at mr fancypants over here with his multiple math degrees :D

user315433

5:42 PM

Not sure if [closed] adds any value to Developer Story.

user315433

(The post itself is an answer, but the question is closed.)

Magisch

Heh

SmokeDetector

6:22 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: How to model story preparation for issues which are tackled across several projects by jomesmore100 on softwareengineering.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How does one respond to 3.d4 after playing the Sicilian? by user11800 on chess.stackexchange.com

Anonymous

6:49 PM

Good point

user315433

8:37 PM

I think it's possible that sometimes our dog sleeps on the laundry pile while we're gone. Came back to this: https://t.co/xu1PnXjWCG

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on November 24, 2016 at 8:29 PM

user315433

What's the round metal thing for?

user315433

10:16 PM

1

A: How can I add tags to another user question without having to edit its message?

Simplicity itself: suggest nothing but tag edits. If you do that, the edit will go through (example). I think you can also make edits to the title, as any title edits are always enough. However, if you make even a one-character edit to the body, you'll have to edit at least six characters. That'...

user315433

Kind of weird, but is it correct that tag-only suggested edits don't get rewarded with +2?

user315433

If so, then the system makes some sense.

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