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4:00 PM

No, it's changed now @Braiam, charcoals can delete Smoke in the tavern now.

@InfiniteRecursion PARSER ERROR: mind-blown

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charcoal team can give command to Smokey to delete it's message in the 2-minute editing window, just like the other commands.

@undo, @pro: Smokey's supression is borked

Ha, got to read the main post

ok, who pissed off the crazy person?

you just did

4:10 PM

probably :)

@InfiniteRecursion No, the title changed; then it gets posted again.

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Thanks @ProgramFox, good to know.

Random happy post of the day:

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Q: Is there a relationship between yellow and moods?

A commonly held belief in visual arts and graphic design is that colours communicate specific moods. Let's concentrate on the colour yellow, for example here: The color yellow gives one a warm and cosy effect. It also arouses cheerfulness, stimulates mental activity, and generates muscle e...

psychology ophthalmology art colors

Hmm... SmokeDetector died in Charcoal HQ.

!!/reboot

If no one posts a proper answer by tomorrow on your meta question I might write something, @inf :p

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Thanks @uni, you are the best! :)

4:15 PM

Hmm... it does not reboot. I hope it's just chat web sockets that broke and not Smokey itself.

Ah, @Undo just entered :)

@ProgramFOX Maybe it's a glitch.

@SmokeDetector delete

oh right

Crap I don't have my diamond here.

hahaha

@Undo It looks like web sockets break frequently; do we need to switch to the non-websocket version (by using watch instead of watch_socket)?

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It's hard to be ordinary ;)

4:17 PM

looks at all the diamonds left on the doorstep of the Tavern on the Meta

@ProgramFOX sigh Or find a way to auto-reboot the websockets.

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 days ago, by ProgramFOX

@Undo I noticed that Smokey keeps running if an error occurs in a different thread. Does your auto-restart script still restart Smokey if an error occurs in a different thread?

I don't know

Probably not.

Can we make it that way @ProgramFOX?

@Undo I don't know if we can use a catch-all try-except block, but I'll look at it.

mod-nuked:

user image

4:18 PM

@ProgramFOX thanks

@ProgramFOX I pushed a change to ChatExchange last night. That type of fix may be appropriate for the websockets too

It hasn't been merged yet

er...wow...messed up terminology. I submitted a pull request

I'm going to sleep now, someone keep our frontpage clean!

@Andy Oh, nice!

> stackexchange.com/questions?tab=realtime

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@uni: the thank you note was nuked faster than the spam posts

4:21 PM

@InfiniteRecursion yep, ha

@Unihedron Night!

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Night @uni, sleep well !

thanks, good night / day!

huh, apparently I don't have access to the ChatExchange repo.

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Yay! The pinned message has been unpinned.

4:24 PM

Yay! Let's pin our own message!

@Undo I think we can only achieve this by changing ChatExchange's code, which will make it harder to merge though: stackoverflow.com/a/2830127/2619912

sigh

Can we just reboot the websocket every x hours?

no matter if it's failed or not?

how about a keepalive task instead?

^

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^

4:25 PM

@ProgramFOX I think that's covered by issue #69

@Andy That applies to throttling, doesn't it?

@Undo The web socket, or SmokeDetector?

Good luck!

@ProgramFOX Ah. You are correct. That is just retrying throttled post attempts

@SmokeDetector delete

Nope, web sockets still dead.

I'm gonna go restart it

4:28 PM

Thanks!

Then we should fix it so it dies every hour and gets restarted.

@SmokeDetector delete

@Undo Sounds good.

@SmokeDetector delete

[ SmokeDetector ] Phone number detected: 0.1 * 0.1 in java prints 0.010000000000000002 on stackoverflow.com

4:51 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Phone number detected: 0.1 * 0.1 in java prints 0.010000000000000002 on stackoverflow.com

closed ^

5:12 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected, Phone number detected: vashikaran specialist astrologer in Australia +91-9950211818 on english.stackexchange.com

SPAM ^^

Flag

flagged

flaghammered

5:33 PM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/26001227/…

if I may

yes sure

done

status-closed

Thank you, kind sirs and ma'ams

np

np

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np

Random quote of the day:

I've said this over and over again, @Hot... but I'll say it again: by and large, people don't leave when you insult them; they double their resolve to annoy you further. The single best way to drive someone away is to ignore them, to give them no response whatsoever. Here's some reading for you... — Shog9 ♦ 22 hours ago

5:39 PM

@InfiniteRecursion Nice.

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:)

Ok.. my turn -- here's my Random quote of (yesterday):

> meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/271863/…

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: WHAT DO YOU LIKE (THE) MOST, SHORTS OR MINIS? on english.stackexchange.com

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Yours is nicer @Lynn

6:02 PM

@InfiniteRecursion I lol'd when I read it.

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Let's welcome new member:

Pham, Next to Sam

21 2

Hi @pham

Hiya

Hiya

@Pham @Sam Oy.

Remember, @Santa is watching. Don't be bad and vote for eachother.

6:08 PM

Is a chat room for a new site automatically created, or does it have to be created manually?

@Undo I know I know; I'm only using him to take all the command pinging, nothing more.

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@uni is missing the grand debut of Pham

@Pham yo

@TGMCians 'Sup

@ProgramFOX aren't all chatrooms hosted on stackexchange anyway? So who's first to create has it?

6:11 PM

@rene Correct, but the first message of a site's chatroom is from the Stack Exchange user, with some explanation about chat.

That's only for "general discussion for [site]" rooms, not for all rooms.

I thought about giving him red eyes to help differentiate, but that'd be too creepy so I just changed the background.

@ProgramFOX hmm, I can imagine that it is a human thingy... not worth automating...

Though here it's mentioned that it's automatic.

It's automatic

I've tried to get a room created before it, it's impossible :P

I have the first Informed badge on emacs.SE :D

6:15 PM

that's a thing now?

@Undo I flag that as prove you're gaming the system.. ;)

Congrats

@Undo Yes, in private beta.

Huh, there's a web design site too, brand new.

I didn't even have that one on my radar.

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Q: Does it pay to spin off sites?

This week, we are launching a new site for Emacs questions. It's been pointed out that there are already 11k questions tagged emacs on Stack Overflow. Setting aside the question of whether new sites will benefit from having a more focused community of users and an expanded topic, will splitting E...

discussion tags statistics area51

Thanks Smokey

6:17 PM

it's gone.

@SmokeDetector delete

nice.

is smokey subject to the same delete limitations as any other user?

bah.

same user.

@LynnCrumbling yeah

@LynnCrumbling user destroyed

nice.

@SmokeDetector delete

of course

6:22 PM

that's already gone; delete

@SmokeDetector delete

(I'm not a member of charcoal, I'm going to assume)

not atm

Wonder how long that person will keep trying to post.

eventually SpamRam will get him

6:24 PM

@Undo Unfamiliar with that...

WOW - that was gone FAST!

(delete)

@LynnCrumbling SE's automagical learning spam thing

@SmokeDetector delete

nice.

@LynnCrumbling self-deleted :/

haha

its back up

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/239849/…

6:29 PM

!!/alive?

@Undo Of course

@Undo ... did I miss something?

test

!!/alive?

@Undo ... did I miss something?

@Undo Yup

that's odd :P

oh crap

A double-reply?

6:30 PM

I have two instances running :P

@rene still up

yeah

organize some flaggers

gone.

that took way too long.

Smokey back up

@SmokeDetector delete

Oh, @LynnCrumbling you should be able to use delete in here now

only after the spam is gone, of course ;)

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected, Phone number detected: vashikaran specialist astrologer in Australia +91-9950211818 on meta.stackexchange.com

6:41 PM

@SmokeDetector delete

you have to reply to the message

with the little arrow

oh.

@SmokeDetector delete

just reply-arrow delete

@LynnCrumbling it won't take edits ;)

try it again @LynnCrumbling

Crappy software ;)

@SmokeDetector delete

HAHA

6:43 PM

rofl

It's past the two-minute limit now, it won't work.

yeah - really.

I'll try again w/ this one.

yup :D

still open.

gone

@TGMCians Hah; +1'd that.

@SmokeDetector delete

yay!

6:44 PM

:)

yay :D

:)

@SmokeDetector delete

so I wanna talk to a mod who closed then deleted my question right away (on a new SE site, asking questions in meta) @RobertCartaino -- but I don't feel like it is important enough to flag the Q and bug all mods

and I don't know if emailing him would be pushy / bothersome

what to do, what to do

@SmokeDetector delete

6:46 PM

just a minute @rlemon, let me see if I can get him.

@Undo This is getting old. Fast.

it is

(Ugh, cache)

@Undo huh

1 min ago, by TGMCians

@SmokeDetector delete

we probably should have it check after a few minutes through the API to see if it's still there.

6:47 PM

it didn't work

right

why ?

There's a whitelist of users that it works with

oh so i am in blacklist

:D

no

6:47 PM

@rlemon Invite to chat?

You're not in the whitelist ;)

(!whitelisted) != (blacklisted)

so everywhere milestone @Undo ...

DIE. ugh.

@bjb568 can't -- no option

(that i'm aware of)

6:48 PM

@rlemon Let it be for a while, he'll likely get your ping and if he doesn't he'll get mine.

tl;dr I asked a very open ended question on a new SE site (one recommended in the "The 7 Essential Meta Questions of Every Beta")

it was closed and deleted at the same time with a comment. I somewhat agree with the comment that it takes very long to define these things. but then maybe that blog post needs some revisions ( considering it is plastered to every page :P )

@Undo So.. this SpamRam you speak of... how long is the learning curve?

@LynnCrumbling it's private employee-only

Smokey spamming in tavern :p

,.

6:49 PM

@SmokeDetector delete

@LynnCrumbling how did you manage to add yourself in whitelist ?

I believe I have @Undo to thank.

@rlemon this is emacs, right?

no

web design

I wish I was cool enough for emacs

I'm a vim user

@rlemon not particularly pushy or bothersome. But still waaay more pushy and bothersome than, y'know, flagging or even raising the issue on meta.

6:51 PM

@SmokeDetector delete

@Shog9 I would have thought flagging would be more bothersome, but I only see the chat flags :P and more often than not they are bothersome :P

Say, why doesn't Web Design have a chatroom I can find?

@rlemon that's because you haven't seen chat emails. It's all relative.

because we are corralled in the HTML room on SO

@Shog9 well I assume you can see this: meta.webdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/2/…

@rlemon can you see the comment?

6:54 PM

I agree with the comment, but I would like to put in my two cents about 1) delete immediately after close limits any conversation with him (hence me being here)

also he called me by the wrong username

I was so confused

@rlemon yeah, that's weird

unless

maybe he knows something you don't

@TGM you're on the whitelist, use your privs wisely, they can be revoked.

@Undo it's hard to keep watch on everyone while taking an impossible english test. (Which is what I happened to be doing when you pinged me)

the sites been live for very short time. I was reading the blog post and asked what seemed like the two most important questions to define.

@Undo ok thanks :)

6:55 PM

have you ever woken up in a strange bed in a house you don't recognize in some city you've never seen before, with a beautifully hand-written note on the bedside table addressed to "githubphagocyte"?

it should be made clear in that blog post not to actually ask those questions on meta

@Shog9 no, but i've often wondered why it says "Fred" on the inside of my underwear.

@rlemon oh, it's a really important question. Too important for one... uh, meta question

and yeah, we need to update that blog post

I was just looking for some quick and dirty stuff to get us going so we didn't have a flood of off topic questions

so I do agree, it was too broad for any one question, but I still think something like it would be helpful. but then again i've never been at the start of a SE site before

usually the idea with betas is to talk about the crap that comes in so that there's an example. Or that's what I've always seen done.

brb need coffee

6:57 PM

but I don't see any fault with trying to get some broad guidelines up front. Just IMO

@rlemon the only way to handle that is to let folks start asking stuff... and then start discussing stuff that doesn't seem "quite right".

@rlemon For the first few weeks, you'll have few enough questions to discuss specific cases - and the discussions you have will build the foundation for the broader discussions that must follow

@Undo canicanicani?

I don't feel like taking all the letters this Christmas, so I think I'll redirect them to @SmokeDetector first and only read the ones that match any of its profanity filters.

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what?

Awe...missed the fun

7:02 PM

:2442278 thanks rene...good

Something about @Shog9 being a hog.

So someone thought a rhyming title would make there "question" good? Got it :D

@SantaClaus ... will be a silent night ...

It's a shame I don't know of a decent vashikaran specialist astrologer anywhere.

Haha!

7:10 PM

@LynnCrumbling Why? You want to date one?

:D

@rene I've heard there's a lot of money in it, if you can get your phone number out to the masses.

Looks like the spam is stopped, I'm turning SD off.

7:35 PM

Is this >5500 rep user asking an SU-type question? stackoverflow.com/q/26002872/656243

@LynnCrumbling Yes, he is

yes

A famous user... ask @bart about him....

@rene ..oh?

@Bart What's rene referring to?

Let's make it formal, then:

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/26002872/656243

/me hides for the smiting stick

7:40 PM

Flagged stackoverflow.com/q/25924116/2371861 for mod closure. DV it.

why ?

@bjb568 why?

It's a debug-my-code question.

@LynnCrumbling migrated

@bjb568 Super secret surprise: Most of SO is debug my code questions

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7:43 PM

Questions seeking debugging help ("why isn't this code working?") must include the desired behavior, a specific problem or error and the shortest code necessary to reproduce it in the question itself. Questions without a clear problem statement are not useful to other readers. See: How to create a Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable example. — bjb568 7 secs ago

@bjb568 Could his images be any larger?

~~dv and vote to close maybe but don't flag for mods~~ pay attention, codeMagic!

@codeMagic You can't close it because of the bounty.

^^^^

this is a special case because bounty

7:44 PM

yup

Yeah, sorry. I should pay more attention

What this user really should have asked is "how can I get exception messages working? I'm getting this error, but when I copy the requested file into the location that I believe to be correct, nothing changes."

All of this tangential TL; dr. of code is exhausting to read.

I wonder how long it would take me to find out how to properly deploy the cab that is being requested.

hah: stackoverflow.com/q/4859829/656243

How long did that take me?

Why wasn't this post cv'd-dup originally?

whack -1.

Btw- that SO question was the #1 google result for "please install netcfv35.messages.en.wm.cab"

Oops...voted to close for wrong reason on a question. Should I retract or leave it? We should get a certain amount of mulligans

@codeMagic I can vote correctly if you want?

If you agree..."questions asking for help...provide errors...etc" stackoverflow.com/questions/26003088/…

8:00 PM

!!/alive?

@TGMCians Of course

ah ok

ok...

THIS ... is the LONGEST question I've ever seen.

Anybody... anybody want to take a guess at how many pages it is?

@LynnCrumbling Too many>

e_toolong stackoverflow.com/q/25652692/656243

8:06 PM

@codeMagic done

Thanks!

@LynnCrumbling on my 800 x 1E9 CRT just one...

And the accepted answer is two lines :D

:P

CV stackoverflow.com/q/24416264/2371861

CV stackoverflow.com/q/23417425/2371861

CV stackoverflow.com/q/24290170/2371861

8:09 PM

you are shouting :p

CV stackoverflow.com/q/8637386/2371861

VLQ stackoverflow.com/a/8637908/2371861

Pls?

Pls.

TL;DR Close all that user's questions.

@bjb568 voted..

I'm here. How many pending CV-PLSes before I fall asleep?

8:19 PM

@Jan ^^^

@bjb568 done

closed already; closed; closed already

10x

@bjb568 closed.

@LynnCrumbling flag answer also

8:28 PM

naa || vlq ?

yes

vlq

done.

dv issued as well.

or naa

thnx

8:35 PM

dv-plz stackoverflow.com/a/14495753/656243 (C# answer to an obj-c question)

It caught it!

in Smoke Detector School on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 hours ago, by hichris123

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 98.7696: vashikaran specialist astrologer in Australia +91-9950211818 on meta.stackexchange.com

:D

yo @hichris123

there was a bunch of it, did it get all of it?

...to plot a penis in matlab. do you happen to know how? — tomwilde yesterday

8:36 PM

@hichris123 Yeah.. like 9 or 10 of them.

@Undo I think.

yayz

yes.

Looks like it caught 12.

@TGMCians oy

contemplates which SE site would be best to ask "How do I graph a penis in matlab" — Santa Claus 20 secs ago

ok bye, good night

8:40 PM

night!

'night

night

Wow. This is the first case in a long time where I flagged a post as "blatantly offtopic" rather than just "very low quality". Where did you mean to post this? — Jan Dvorak 1 min ago

8:55 PM

night

night

9:39 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected: Does increasing water intake during a diet help with weight loss? on skeptics.stackexchange.com

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