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hichris123

12:00 AM

We're approaching 3 million LQRQ reviews.

Shog9

watching the blacklist log... Guy sees crappy question, downvotes it, votes to close it...

...tries to post LMGTFY link...

...tries to post goo.gl link to LMGTFY link...

tries to post bit.ly link to LMGTFY link...

...gives up.

Quill

Screw netflix when you have blacklist logs

hichris123

Someone's probably going to create lmgt.fy or something like that...

user315433

@Quill To answer a question on meta.ru.so

user315433

Is the blacklist active for comments?

Shog9

12:06 AM

yes

user315433

> At some point in the future, I think it'll make sense to just require registration to ask questions on sites that get more than a certain number of questions per day; in theory at least, the extra overhead would be offset by the reduction in confusion and support costs. meta.stackexchange.com/a/243820

user315433

That was back in 2014. Are we in the future yet?

user202362

What if A.I. took the roles of moderators? By analysing the patterns & stalking the likely offenders as soon as they sign on? And provide remedies as criteria met?

user202362

I always think humans are too dumb to create truly impressive A.I.s

Jeffrey Bosboom

12:23 AM

@404 Stack Overflow requires registration before asking. I think it's the only site; at least Super User doesn't.

tchrist

@Shog9 I only get 4 non-review closevotes on most sites. This makes me not want to use the review.

Which isn't optimal.

I haven't read it all, but I think that's what Alexis has been saying as well.

Alexis King

Hey @tchrist! Been a little while.

tchrist

Was your annus away mirabilis or horribilis?

Alexis King

It could have been better, but it sure could have been worse!

Danack

12:39 AM

stack overflow chat has a flag spammer....

tchrist

Mod flag might draw the SO chat mod.

checks clock

Or maybe not.

user315433

@JeffreyBosboom the full list is here. Notably, it does not include the second largest site by the volume of questions.

user315433

it's taken almost 3 years but i'm finally realizing that working at a company with a tech stack I don't like is an awful idea

Tweeted by jc4p on March 22, 2016 at 10:15 PM

JamesENL

1:07 AM

@JasonC It comes with research, which you can't get for the tutorial missions. It's ok, you don't need them

Alexis King

1:24 AM

I actually don’t know what to do now with my current Factorio base. I’m thinking maybe I should make a new map with harder settings.

RSO seems like a very cool mod to keep the game interesting.

bjb568

hichris123

> So ironic that 17 lines of code breaks the internet

Alexis King

Hey, @bjb, at my new job one of my coworkers uses the same picture of a cat that you use, albeit without the sunglasses.

It was an... amusing discovery.

bjb568

Yeah, I'm quite popular due to my cuteness and fluffiness.

Alexis King

New headcanon: my coworker is bjb.

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bjb568

1:32 AM

@hichris123 Where's the irony?

hichris123

@bjb568 github.com/azer/left-pad/blob/master/index.js

That being unpublished broke a lot of node builds.

bjb568

I don't see irony. I see a bug.

Quill

medium.com/@azerbike/…

hichris123

irony

Noun: irony ‎(countable and uncountable, plural ironies)

A statement that, when taken in context, may actually mean something different from, or the opposite of, what is written literally; the use of words expressing something other than their literal intention, often in a humorous context.
Dramatic irony: a theatrical effect in which the meaning of a situation, or some incongruity in the plot, is understood by the audience, but not by the characters in the play.
Ignorance feigned for the purpose of confounding or provoking an antagonist; Socratic irony.
The state of two usually unrelated entities, parties, actions, etc. being related through a common connection in an uncommon way.
(informal, sometimes proscribed) Contradiction between circumstances and expectations; condition contrary to what might be expected. [from the 1640s]

Adjective: irony ‎(comparative more irony, superlative most irony)

Of or pertaining to the metal iron.
The food had an irony taste to it.

> Of or pertaining to the metal iron.

bjb568

Oh, that definition. Got it.

hichris123

1:35 AM

@Bart Did you respond to the smiting stick call?

I'm learning a ton today about what we screwed up. This piece is my favorite so far: https://medium.com/@glitterwitch/stack-overflow-s-developer-survey-analysis-hurts-women-ec4d568e2352#.l5hkv7ukq

Tweeted by hairboat on March 18, 2016 at 4:56 PM

@aurelgasser @hairboat It's really hard to be angry and not just say "I HATE YOU" in multiple ways - she nailed that, quite eloquently.

Tweeted by tinkertim on March 18, 2016 at 7:12 PM in reply to aurelgasser

Alexis King

That response to the survey was a good one, though unfortunately ultimately not super surprising. I really like SO, but I have gotten used to icky framing enough to not even pay it much heed. I really appreciate other people being able to write good, detailed responses, though.

What I *did* think about is the intimidation factor. Am I sometimes harsh with people asking questions on this site? Of course I am. I try to be as nice as I can (when I see something I don’t like but don’t have the energy to write a nice comment, I will downvote/close vote and move on), but it comes up frequently t…

I sometimes think about the obvious problem that both sides are exhausted. Established users are too tired of the poor questions to have patience, but new users are too intimidated to feel comfortable asking questions. How the heck do you address that?

Andrew T.

Is it like, "I hate SO so much that I love it?"

Alexis King

I’m not sure I understand what you mean...?

Quill

If SE has communities of users, what do you call groups of users on Facebook?

Andrew T.

1:52 AM

@AlexisKing Doesn't matter if you're established users or new users, all of them should have the capability of 'learning'. If they don't want to learn how SE works, then I don't mind to not welcoming them.

hichris123

@AlexisKing I don't know if you can. And you can't stop it. It doesn't matter if today we all started being super super nice, people would still think SO is mean - and it doesn't matter if it's true or not.

Alexis King

@AndrewT. There is a fine line between expecting new users to understand how the system works and being straight up hostile when they fail to grasp it.

@hichris123 I think if we all started being super nice, people would take notice. But that isn’t going to happen.

Quill

shirky.com/writings/herecomeseverybody/group_enemy.html

hichris123

@AlexisKing Maybe. But you'd still have people afraid to ask questions; people who think SO is comprised of evil humans who want to attack you; people who were "wronged" at one time or another by downvoting or reputation or closing. Indeed, how would you solve that? Perceptions/stereotypes don't go away overnight.

user315433

First complaint about shortener ban: Common online compiler blacklisted

Andrew T.

1:56 AM

Back to each personality, I guess. I know I can't be very super nice (I don't play hostile card though), that's why I don't leave many comments recently. But I've seen someone that is always super nice (and fortunately, also guiding), so I leave the task to them.

user315433

I almost never comment on posts I don't like. One exception is pointing out how typing their question into Google leads directly to the answer. I still hope this skill can be learned.

Alexis King

@hichris123 I think it is unavoidable that some people can’t be pleased, but SO has a reputation for being mean, and that is not a groundless accusation.

JamesENL

@AlexisKing changing the subject slightly. OMG LOGISTICS ROBOTS ARE SOOO GOOD!

user315433

Otherwise, I'd rather direct my patience where I'm paid to be patient, welcoming and whatnot.

Alexis King

@JamesENL They are! :D

JamesENL

2:00 AM

And now I've got construction drones I can start meta-factory producing

hichris123

@AlexisKing Quite true.

JamesENL

One of the first things I used my construction drones on was emulating your solar farm

@AlexisKing oh good theres a mod that lets you construct purple science packs out of other science packs

Alexis King

@JamesENL Are you concerned alien packs are too easy or just don’t want to deal with the biters? FWIW, biter combat is pretty trivial once you get power armor and poison capsules + destroyer capsules.

JamesENL

@AlexisKing But on peaceful mode they don't expand their nests so eventually I'll hit a point of diminishing returns, having to expand out geometrically trying to find new nests

Alexis King

@JamesENL Oh, they don’t even expand? For some reason I thought they expanded, just didn’t attack until you attacked them.

JamesENL

2:09 AM

No, the nests stay fixed :(

Alexis King

Hmm. Well, you get 10 purple science packs per alien artifact, and each base drops a whole bunch of artifacts, so it’s actually probably not too too bad. Could be annoying though, yes.

user315433

The PPCG chat zoo became a subject of meta post, The state of chat.

JamesENL

Oh really? 10 purple per artifact? That's much better than I was expecting. gaming.stackexchange.com/q/212395/80115

Andrew T.

Zoo on the Meta.

Alexis King

@JamesENL Yeah. The last few pieces of research take a ton of science packs, but those are pretty much just the optional combat upgrades, which are irrelevant if you are playing on peaceful, anyway.

JamesENL

2:14 AM

Ahhh ok then! I'll keep that in mind then

I like the power armour though

Alexis King

The crazy expensive upgrades are the follower robot count increases, which go up to level 20. That one takes like 2k science packs, but nothing else takes anywhere near that many.

hichris123

@404 "Signal to noise ratio" no kidding.

user315433

2:31 AM

"Fun" site - chaos in chat. Serious site - dead chat.

user315433

I think math manages to be in between.

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2:56 AM

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Alexis King

@404 Are you somehow saying the overmeta isn’t the most fun site around?!

hichris123

Ever since always-friday-in-iceland was merged into fun...

Andrew T.

@SmokeDetector FonePaw is spam, but OP has peer-pressure badge!

user315433

Meta is an archive of require-comments-with-downvotes proposals. No new people, no new ideas.

Alexis King

@404 But see, I have this idea... what if (please, bear with me) when people downvoted, they had to leave a comment? Uh huh, let that sink in for a bit. I know, it’s pretty crazy, but in the tech world, we call it “disruption”.

Andrew T.

3:09 AM

Zephyr!

Quill

in The Nineteenth Byte on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 21 secs ago, by quartata

hey smokedetector rocks

JamesENL

It's very quiet in here without Smokey

user315433

So, where did the pioneers go?

Andrew T.

ಠ_ಠ

Quill

Documentation Beta

Everything is on fire and broken

user315433

3:22 AM

If they left in the first years of SO's existence, they are probably not participating in Docs Beta.

Andrew T.

The room topic...

user315433

Consider SE user #5, for example. Where is he asking/answering questions now?

user315433

> Trains of ಠ_ಠ and ^ benefit nobody. meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/8776

Quill

:)

Andrew T.

:)

Alexis King

3:28 AM

Oy.

Andrew T.

C-c-c-c-combo breaker!

Quill

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A: How is this different from WorldBuilding?

Going to throw in my opinion as well, and it's: No Taking a look at the tour of WorldBuilding, this jumps out at me, Worldbuilding Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for writers, artists and others using science, geography and culture to construct imaginary worlds and settings. ...

Andrew T.

(oh wow.. what I'm doing now at office...)

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user315433

Travel election finally has some reasonable candidates, including JoErNanO who helped beating the diploma-spam wave in early September.

Jason C

Uh oh... looks like Lifehacks might get a run for its money:

51

What if(hypotheticals)

Proposed Q&A site for someone who has an hypothetical situation he wants answered.

Currently in definition.

user315433

This is supposed to be a fork of Worldbuilding

Jason C

There's a certain type of site that's bound to be awful I think. Sites where the questions are interesting and where everybody wants to ask one, but where those questions don't have real answers.

Alexis King

I say it’s fine, with the caveat that the only person allowed to answer questions is Randall Monroe.

Jason C

5:53 AM

Then you have this problem where nothing gets closed because everybody upvotes on the basis of high-fiving eachother for asking a weird question. So you're attracting all this noise and nothing's getting filtered.

Andrew T.

(sorry, I was too lazy to open and search the site)

Jason C

There's no way that site is going to attract Munroe quality answers, unless the core community is as focused as the people on Skeptics.

But like, some of the top voted example questions are kinda asking for trouble, like "What would modern transportation be like if we never had rubber or any elastomers?"

user315433

Background story: Is Worldbuilding a What If Site?, followed by What if there were a What If? and What if Worldbuilding banned What If questions?

Jason C

Kinda interesting, bound to get upvotes, never to be closed, impossible to answer. Bad combo.

@404 Yeah, but it's a short-sighted background story.

user315433

I'm not brave enough to peer into the depth of WB.

Jason C

5:57 AM

Unless the Whatif site is only open to people who have participated on Worldbuilding and read those conversations, that "background story" will be irrelevant to the shape the site actually takes.

You'll have the reasonable WB overflow. Then you'll have everybody else.

Alexis King

My only experience with worldbuilding is when I give into my desires to click on funny-sounding HNQ titles.

Jason C

WB is pretty cool.

Quill

There's a question with my ugly mug on it related to your topic if you like

on meta/discussions a51

user315433

There is also Almost all of the example questions are highly opinion based or generally unanswerable. Is this problem? by Jason C on discuss.area51.stackexchange.com

Andrew T.

I can't take my attention from that one nominee on Travel. Protest vote???

Alexis King

6:05 AM

Area 51 looks impressively terrible. I would say it hasn’t aged well, but I’m honestly not sure that design ever looked particularly appealing.

Quill

I was planning on writing an update for A51, but it got too meh

I got the user page converted and I was working on the front page when I stopped

Alexis King

Yeah, that sounds like a real slog.

Speaking of which, I should go through the CVQ.

Quill

sd k

user315433

@Quill Maybe this is where bjb's node skills would find a better use... develop a site that prepares site proposals better than Area 51 does.

Quill

That'd be easy, just need the data

user315433

6:12 AM

Although today mentioning node is awkward...

Alexis King

Meh. Lots of systems rely on trust more than people think.

It was fixed pretty much immediately.

Quill

If someone wants to write a A51 scraping API service, we could go from there

or we could just ping enough names

user315433

SE API covers Area 51 too, doesn't it?

Andrew T.

Do you mean the proposals?

user315433

Ah, the discussion site only, I guess.

Quill

6:19 AM

@404 no

user315433

The concept of meta down-votes brings "Why does everyone hate this?" instead of "Why don't more people like this?" - subtle, but important.

Tweeted by tinkertim on March 23, 2016 at 6:18 AM

Quill

Speaking of A51, Language Learning is still yet to go to private beta

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Andrew T.

Test code-block (yeah, there's no background, nvm)

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JamesENL

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Andrew T.

8:34 AM

No topic

IͶΔ

That's because I'm not trolling anyone today

Andrew T.

!!/blame

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Andrew T.

okay ._.

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9:12 AM

!!/blame

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IͶΔ

9:32 AM

Nope nope nope nope! ♪

JNat

@ShadowWizard It was a coincidence, yeah. I just replied to the MSE post because someone called my attention to it

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Documentation Beta

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