Tavern on the Meta

1:00 PM

@rene good to know ... still wondering why this user is not nuked yet, IIRC we had an attack from them a few days ago

@bummi That is true, I was expecting it to be nuked sooner...

Shouldn't site-recommendation questions be received similar as bugs? As in they can go either on the site meta or on MSE? I'm asking because of this

user259867

@rene I'm not sure about general "where to ask X" questions, but if it's phrased as "is X on topic at SO", then the question should be on topic at meta.SO

user259867

+1 Thanks for asking whether or not it was on-topic rather than just posting. — apaul34208 22 hours ago

user259867

^ that is somehow inconsistent with closing the meta question as OT

rene

Strange voting on that question....but the OP has as history...so maybe I'm not seeing the comments already deleted

bummi

1:15 PM

@rene agreed but would fit better on MSE IMHO, btw. OT, this on is still not on hold, I don't understand why (the stone old OT close flag what seen helpful) ? mathoverflow.net/questions/26267/…

rene

Hmm, OK... not convinced but it is not worth a fight ;)

bummi

I don't want to fight, but following the links of the answers, particularly the last one gives me shivers

PeterJ

That background on accepted answers looks crappy, are all mathematicians colour blind?

rene

@bummi I fully agree

user259867

@bummi This is one off-topic spam magnet that MO users like and want to keep around. At least for the time being.

user259867

1:25 PM

MO is a strange place; I don't go there even to flag spam.

bummi

I just don't get it :/. Maybe I should ask a question where to by something else, referring this question as justification

rene

@PeterJ as long as it ads up ...

@bummi That will give you a -111 score within minutes ;)

Jan Dvorak

Maybe they'd like to split off again? They even hate Roomba!

bummi

@rene than I could argue on their Meta ;)

rene

Looking forward to it ....

Jan Dvorak

1:28 PM

sounds like fun grabs a bag of chips

user259867

Then again, SE probably likes having at least one professional-looking site within the network...

bummi

No, it would be to much provocation ...

rene

@Yes Wait...StackOverflow doesn't qualify for that?

user259867

An exaggeration on my part, sure.

rene

you do know a microphone is an input device? — blairmeister 1 min ago

SmokeDetector

1:34 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HISTORY API - AJAX PAGES + JSON by dghez on stackoverflow.com

user259867

HISTORY API - AJAX PAGES + JSON = ???

Unihedron

@Yes world explodes

Jan Dvorak

@rene from the next comment it seems he wants to fake the microphone input

rene

@JanDvorak maybe...still... too broad...

PeterJ

Took me a while to work out the microphone question, but seems he wants to essentially mix it into the recorded stream, but as rene said too broad.

rene

1:37 PM

Let me check if the windows mixer is capable of doing that...

Jan Dvorak

If you want to send your sound to another program usual way is to have a second, virtual microphone that pipes the output of your software. Surely the software you want to send your audio to lets the user select which microphone it listens to? — Jan Dvorak 24 secs ago

Not sure how you do such a thing, though, but it's probably OS-specific

PeterJ

Still had Math Overflow open in another window and just noticed this just came up as active: mathoverflow.net/questions/23478/…

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Phone number detected: Form causes Run-time error -2147352571 (80020005) by gastan on stackoverflow.com

rene

@JanDvorak left a comment with two links

@SmokeDetector ignore

SmokeDetector

@rene Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

PeterJ

1:50 PM

Can anyone explain this post starting with hi: electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/169737/… versus this question I answered on Meta.EE: meta.electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/5242/…

I always thought it applied to both questions and answers but never taken much noticed before.

JonasCz

@Shog9, there is a request to blacklist the [microsoft] and [apple] tags on SO, thoughts on this ? Will it ever be done ?

Jan Dvorak

Got me thinking: is there an [orange] tag on SO?

JonasCz

There is actually.. Although the wiki says "Orange is a component-based data mining and machine learning software suite", so it's not a bad tag.

Jan Dvorak

I guess it's got nothing to do with Apple? :-D

Braiam

maybe with [fruty-juice]?

Jan Dvorak

1:59 PM

could be a library ;-)

though it would probably be spelled fruity.js then

JonasCz

well, we have [banana], [pear], [melonjs], and a few others probably as well.

Jan Dvorak

Pear is a PHP thingy, isn't it?

don't forget Java and Coffeescript

Braiam

well, we have cucumbers and picklets so, why not?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: QUICK SORT ANALYSIS by Abraham on stackoverflow.com

Jan Dvorak

code dump

(unclear)

2 more votes needed

closed

bjb568

2:10 PM

collected PII yay

Braiam

@ProgramFOX I didn't see any obvious coding standard, so I just added it lazily

hichris123

@Braiam Looks like @ProgramFOX got to it?

bjb568

damn unicode instagram.com/pipsqueak_the_pineapple

That's why I couldn't find it.

ProgramFOX

@hichris123 yep, I did

Undo

@Unihedron We probably ought to just give every blue person in the Tavern private.

Unihedron

2:21 PM

You realized just now?

Doorknob

@Undo You could be really fancy and do a GET request to the "list of all moderators" page when you check to see if someone has permissions. :P

Unihedron

Or, you know, the CHAT.users object on the browser instance will have a list of users

and there is a is_moderator property

Doorknob

@Unihedron except Tavern steals our blueness

(because it's on chat.meta.SE)

Unihedron

@Doorknob Eh... I was thinking whenever a user with is_moderator arrives, they're automatically added to the privileged users list for the chat site, not network-wide chat sites

Doorknob

Chatception is now at version 0.2 (and could use some beta testers).

Unihedron

2:35 PM

fix my bug plz

KeyboardFire/stackexchange-chatception#1

Andrew T.

@Doorknob will try

Braiam

@Unihedron bet it needs an observer

Doorknob

@Unihedron I was hoping nobody would notice that. Now I have to do something with mutation observers or something.

:P

I guess I could just do a setInterval and check but that's icky.

Braiam

@Doorknob ewww

Doorknob

Okay okay fine I'll do a mutation observer. (but that means more effort, complain complain :P)

Braiam

2:39 PM

just use jQuery .delegate() :P

Doorknob

The mini-chatbox is a child element of the room thing, and I can't add children to new elements with .live or .on

(and it's already in pure JS anyway, not sure why, it just sort of became that way)

Andrew T.

if the scrollbar is already on the beginning/end, if i scroll up/down, it'll scroll main chat room instead, can it be fixed?

fixed = stop scrolling

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Does vimax trial Function? by eric noelo on politics.stackexchange.com

Unihedron

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@Unihedron Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

Doorknob

2:41 PM

uhhhh... maybe. Not sure how I could do that, but pretty sure it's possible.

SPAM ^^^^

And I now have a Philosophy account.

Unihedron

I've always had one.

... As well as 11 helpful flags on it.

Story of my life >_>

hichris123

nuked it.

@Doorknob s/Philosophy/Politics

Unihedron

Oh, Politics? Then only 6 helpful flags.

Doorknob

Oh. I'm also bad at reading.

Jan Dvorak

The primary tag was "philosophy" but the site is "politics". Confusing, isn't it?

No.

2:50 PM

No.

5

Doorknob

@Yes's mortal enemy ^

Unihedron

:O

hichris123

@No. Yes?

Unihedron

I'm feeling both excited and sad to know that from now on whenever we're answering a yes/no question, it's making a pun out of the two users. xD

Doorknob

@Unihedron I unbugged your bug

Jan Dvorak

2:53 PM

Inb4 someone changes his name to "xD."

2

Doorknob

Oh I should probably do WebKitMutationObserver too.

Jan Dvorak

@Doorknob that's soo out. Why use a vendor prefix here?

Braiam

@JanDvorak webkit doesn't support unprefixed ones

Doorknob

Because Safari.

(and old Chrome)

Braiam

caniuse.com/#search=MutationObserver

Doorknob

2:56 PM

Huh. MDN says otherwise.

Braiam

@Doorknob I think MDN needs update, safari does support it

@bjb568 ^?

Doorknob

Oh well. Going to go eat food now.

Jan Dvorak

@Braiam Works here

Braiam

@JanDvorak yeah, was checking only mdn, then I saw caniuse

Unihedron

@Doorknob: What is the room.children.length < 4 check for? Sorry, just trying to learn. :p

@JanDvorak inb4 someone changes their name to "LOL"

Braiam

3:02 PM

@Unihedron I presume he wanted to know if there were more rooms that were hidden

Unihedron

@Braiam Eh, there's four rooms shown before it folds for me.

So that makes it <5.

Braiam

@Unihedron screen size

normally I have 3 if the star wall is filled

Unihedron

... my screen is big indeed

so since the check uses a magic number, what gives?

Braiam

wait, no, that doesn't make sense

Unihedron

What does (not)?

Braiam

3:12 PM

I don't know... :(

Jan Dvorak

I guess I should call myself "lodasho", so that i react to @_O

SmokeDetector

3:27 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Problema de acentuação PHP by Jean Lorencini on pt.stackoverflow.com

SmokeDetector

3:44 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Nested quote blocks in answer: Re-writing my .HTACCESS file by pbwned on stackoverflow.com

Doorknob

@Unihedron room is one of the other rooms in the sidebar. They usually have three children, but the hover popup box thingy is also a child. So if children.length < 4, there is no hover popup thingy and it needs to be added.

Proof that I really need to comment that code more... or at all.

Unihedron

Oh!

Braiam

so, I was right

should trust his own judgment more

Doorknob

No but it has nothing to do with how many rooms there are.

This is inside a forEach, so it runs on every room.

Unihedron

Can't you check for "show N more"?

Doorknob

3:49 PM

No, it has nothing to do with how many rooms there are.

Unihedron

No, but it tells you there are hidden rooms if it exists.

Doorknob

I'm not talking about hidden rooms.

Unihedron

... ???

I meant rooms hidden because of the folding in the sidebar.

Doorknob

Okay, so you know how a thing appears when you hover over a room?

Unihedron

Yes.

Doorknob

3:51 PM

That thing is a child of the room element, which is just one of the rooms on the sidebar.

The code in question's job is to add the thing to each room element where it's not already there.

Braiam

@Doorknob why not verifying if a element with X class isn't there

Doorknob

Because I'm lazy

Yeah I guess that would be a better idea though

Unihedron

Ugh.

Doorknob

I could check for room.getElementsByClassName("msgList").length === 1

Unihedron

The script doesn't work if, when you load the page, you're not having it focused.

You need to use Webworker...

Doorknob

3:53 PM

That's... odd.

Wait why would that happen?

I'll test it when I get home

Andrew T.

@Unihedron not repro, or I misunderstood the issue

Unihedron

KeyboardFire/stackexchange-chatception#3

Doorknob

Does it cause any errors in the console?

Oh I'll check that

Unihedron

StackExchange is not defined

... never mind, that's from another userscript

Andrew T.

ok, repro'd

Tampermonkey started
Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (OK) --> http://or.sstatic.net/chat/img/leave-and-switch-icons.png

But I don't think that's the cause

Doorknob

3:58 PM

> 404 (OK)

wut

Andrew T.

CDN. No, that's not the cause. It always appears when I reload the page

Doorknob

I think it's caused by async: false. I could probably reactor those out.

Unihedron

I'm glad I was helping to test, I guess.

Doorknob

Yeah, thanks for the feedback! :)

Unihedron

:3422346 My other scripts do load though, just this one doesn't seem to...

Andrew T.

4:12 PM

Chatception seems to conflict with Chat Keyword Highlighter (mini-chatroom doesn't appear at all), but I can just turn off CKH

rene

Go blame the author of CKH to make their script behave...

Braiam

> Find the greatest common factor of 60 and 60

Unihedron

...

Braiam

...

bjb568

4:31 PM

Yay, I have pizza!

Unihedron

Mine now!

steals your pizza

bjb568

:o

Unihedron

violently eats your pizza

hichris123

@Undo @Uni hopefully done.

Unihedron

@hichris123 Awesome ^^

Braiam

4:40 PM

> Yadira's mom is buying hot dogs and hot dog buns for the family barbeque. Hot dogs come in packs of 12 and hot dog buns come in packs of 9 and Yadira's mom wants the same number of hot dogs as hot dog buns.

everybody mom's wants that... heck I'm not "mom" and I want that

Doorknob

@Doorknob refactor*. Also async: false is just bad in general anyway.

bjb568

@Braiam lcm

36 is min

user259867

Yeah, but why would one want to minimize the number of hot dogs?

7

AstroCB

@Doorknob What? I've been using MutationObserver for xkcdBot on Safari and it works fine.

Braiam

@Yes exactly

Doorknob

4:46 PM

@AstroCB Okay, so I don't need to have a vendor prefix. Thanks.

@AndrewT. I can look into that later.

You people are awesome beta testers btw. :D

bjb568

@Yes Greatest common multiple!

Jason C

Yo

SmokeDetector

5:02 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: formatted phone storage. Is phone dead? How to revive? by funuel on android.stackexchange.com

Jason C

This coffee shop is playing the most awful playlist ever. Its all like, late 90s euro house. Every beat squeezes a little more life out of my soul.

hichris123

@bjb568 Can you try replying tpu to Smokey's post above?

Braiam

plot twist: owner's plan is working

bjb568

@SmokeDetector tpu

Jason C

^ dun dun dunnnn

3

hichris123

5:04 PM

cool thanks.

I feel like bjb should be privileged eventually... maybe when he becomes an English major.

2

Jan Dvorak

!comp weather hell

!!comp weather hell

so... no privs

hichris123

!comp weather

bjb568

temperature | 79 °F (wind chill: 82 °F)
conditions | clear
relative humidity | 65% (dew point: 66 °F)
wind speed | 6 mph
(1 hour 15 minutes ago)

Unihedron

@JasonC tpu

Jason C

Ugh, now its transitioned into all that like, circa 2010 post dub step "high vibe" crap.

I've never seen an era of DJs that were more pretentious and full of themselves.

bjb568

5:10 PM

wind "chill"

hichris123

Yeah, should be heat index.

Jason C

But I'm trapped because the food is delicious.

Unihedron

Then bring headphones.

The cafe I go to doesn't have music playing.

bjb568

I don't go to cafe.

Unihedron

...

Jason C

5:14 PM

I usually do bring headphones but I forgot this time. That's why I'm.complaining. I really have nobody to blame but myself.

See, you can tell when something is my fault, because I complain about it and externalize all the blame. When it's somebody else's fault I'm usually silent. This is because I am a good person.

Unihedron

Yes, you are a good person.

Or your tolerance is futile.

Jason C

Lol, or something. All right food done, and questing for headphones is the perfect way to procrastinate. Peace.

bjb568

5:41 PM

wot

Why does it parseerr?

Line 81 column 8 doesn't exist either…

hichris123

Hmm is there an SU question on if using the HOSTS file helps at all anymore?

Braiam

@hichris123 for?

Jan Dvorak

POB/unclear

hichris123

@Braiam Speeding up DNS lookups. In a book I read a long time ago (7 years-ish), it claimed adding IPs for commonly used sites to the HOSTS file sped up accessing those webpages. However, I would bet that DNS is fast enough now that it doesn't matter (and it might even hurt you).

Braiam

@hichris123 well, it does prevent the system from doing the lookup in first place since it's the first thing it checks

apart of cache

hichris123

5:53 PM

DNS lookups don't take long though... less than 100 ms for sure.

Braiam

mine takes ~300

only the first one

subsequent are cached

rene

6:18 PM

@hichris123 technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd197552(WS.10).aspx

SmokeDetector

6:30 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Confusion in pulp fiction opening scene! by srkcb89 on movies.stackexchange.com

Braiam

@rene I'm not sure whenever to laugh or cry, seeing those flow charts

rene

@Braiam same here, that is called progress though, get used to it...

Braiam

> People should be able to answer your question because they have more expertise than you, not because they are willing to invest more time debugging than you.

@Unihedron add that ^ to your comment list

bjb568

@Braiam yes

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Nested quote blocks in body: Cannot flash phone to install TWRP (One plus One) by Syed Osama Maruf on android.stackexchange.com

bjb568

6:43 PM

Technically, if someone is offended by that and stops talking to you… I would consider it a good thing! — Lohoris 19 hours ago

What is technical here?

5

Q: Bash thinks 010 = 8

Why does bash think the number 010 = 8? x=010 echo $x 010 echo $(( x+0 )) 8 echo $(( x-2 )) 6 I thought it might be binary, but 010 = 10 = 2. So why does it get 8, and how can I make it think 010 = 10 (and 010 - 2 = 8)?

bash

AGAIN?

AstroCB

!xkcd find technically

xkcdBot

"Technically that sentence started with 'well', so--" "Ooh, a rock with a fossil in it!"

bjb568

Is that the 5th time octal has appeared on the hot qs?

Braiam

@bjb568 downvote it, move along

bjb568

no rep

AstroCB

6:47 PM

@bjb568 Ask it on Parenting and see if it works.

bjb568

:p

remove noise is so much getter than improved formatting

hichris123

Ugh, that ad.

Shog9

CloudBerry Crunch - part of this complete breakfast!

Jan Dvorak

Ugh. I don't think i will unadblock superuser.

hichris123

@Shog9 I like my Pops, personally.

Shog9

6:56 PM

or earn another 40 points

bjb568

@JanDvorak Jan didn't capitalize an I!

:o

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 don't worry. I'll make it up by capitalising BJB wherever I've got the chance.

bjb568

NOOOOOOOOOOO

Shog9

BJB%^* <-- all-upper.

Jan Dvorak

i'm tempted to extend this joke 9but i probably shouldn't0

bjb568

7:01 PM

𝐁𝐉𝐁 for the antiderivitive…

Shog9

the antiderivitive is inside those boxes - smash them!

Braiam

turns on the tchrist-signal

bjb568

@Shog9 You using Chrome on windows?

Shog9

No, I installed a userscript that turns vile Unicode into boxes.

3

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 Stop using your private use area symbols and all will be good

bjb568

7:03 PM

They're not…

Braiam

on the other hand, he can read the characters just fine

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: GLM BERNOULLI COMPARING FACTORS OF WHICH ONE RESPONSE IS ALL 0 by user76706 on stats.stackexchange.com

ASCIIThenANSI

^^^ Why do people even post in all caps?

bjb568

Why is it not autoblocked?

Alexis King

Mar 15 at 18:27, by Alexis King

CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL

bjb568

7:08 PM

I MADE MY CRUISE CONTROL A COMMAND KEY. BECAUSE MAC.

ASCIIThenANSI

@AlexisKing Caps create cool cruise control? Curious. Can cool cruise control caps concisely carry communications?

bjb568

no

Braiam

maybe

bjb568

scientificamerican.com/article/physicists-are-philosophers-too

> Baggini cannot see how any “factual discovery could ever settle a question of right and wrong.”

> Nevertheless, Krauss expresses sympathy with Baggini’s position, saying, “I do think philosophical discussion can inform decision-making in many important ways

So we have questions that we can answer and a process for answering them.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Старуха Изергиль by следопыт on rus.stackexchange.com

bjb568

7:13 PM

Then we have stupid people coming up with crap that just don't make no damn sense. Sure, it may feel good for the stupid people, but philosophy is just stupid people rapping.

gah, fapping is a word

pls autocarrot

Shog9

I think "rapping" worked better there anyway.

4

Braiam

@SmokeDetector is there any command that means "I give up"?

@bjb568 just turn it off...

bjb568

meh

user259867

@Braiam I'll give it a try...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive title detected: A bunch of fucking morons on Superuser think they are smarter than me? by Tight Rope Walker on superuser.com

ASCIIThenANSI

7:18 PM

@Braiam That could be a good feature to add! Hmm...

bjb568

"It can be understood thru tuf thuro thot, tho."

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive title detected: Why do people on SuperUser think they are hot shit? by Tight Rope Walker on superuser.com

ASCIIThenANSI

^ COME ON.

Braiam

@SmokeDetector "Tight Rope Walker" a very fitting user name

bjb568

pewpew

ASCIIThenANSI

7:25 PM

Wait... let's counter-troll him. CV as 'too broad' or 'primarily opinion-based'. C:<

bjb568

8:02 PM

y'all better be over there

SmokeDetector

8:13 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: IS THE GENERALIZED DUALITY MAPPING POSITIVE HOMOGENOUS. by OKPALA BUCHI on math.stackexchange.com

AstroCB

@bjb568 PSA: Don't go there.

Now I have to do a virus scan...

2

bjb568

Yes

I flagged my message for a mod to delete

hichris123

@AstroCB better call these guys:

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Mar 24 at 22:42, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, Bad keyword in body, Phone number detected: 1-800-882-0652#########Norton Antivirus Support Number######Norton Support Number####Norton Antivirus Tech Support by wat pad on stackoverflow.com

2

bjb568

8:32 PM

sigh… meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/39079

hichris123

del-vote-plz ^

Question's been around for 3 years & 200 views.

ASCIIThenANSI

You guys wanna know how to get lots of rep fast?

hichris123

469

Q: Six simple tips to get reputation fast on any Stack Exchange site

From "6 Simple Tips to Get Stackoverflow Reputation Fast" at codexon.com: Be the First to Answer. Even at the cost of quality. Use Downvotes and Comments Strategically Use obnoxious in-your-face formatting and lists. Be Aware of the 200 rep/day Limit Edit, But Don’t Edit Too Much Associate your...

discussion reputation article strategy

ASCIIThenANSI

@hichris123 Well then.

tchrist

OH NOES!!! I have discovered a previously undocumented secret operator, and I need a name for it. Unfortunately, it looks even more obscene than the notorious goatsex operator, which is =()=. The new one is ()=>. Any naming suggestions? :)

hichris123

8:44 PM

@Yes around?

Alexis King

@tchrist The hermaphrodite operator.

2

You're welcome.

user259867

@hichris123 Yes

hichris123

@Yes gaming.stackexchange.com/a/218856/68148 is in Russian, can't tell if it's offensive or not.

Welp, it's gone anyway, so...