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user259867

9:01 PM

> Ben Collins took another crack at this recently, and the results are pretty good... But not perfect. The algorithm still needs help. -- from triage announcement

user259867

And then Ben moved on... where does this leave all the Vowpal Wabbit - powered Data Science?

user259867

"Screw machine learning, I'll use regular expressions..."

Jan Dvorak

N0w y0u have tw0 p0rbelms

hichris123

@Woodface Even as of November, they weren't doing a ton.

Nov 19 '14 at 15:58, by Ben Collins

@hichris123 I am not active on the iOS project anymore. I'm technically still working on the quality project, but there's not a whole lot of ML work going on there at the moment, so I'm working on other things

user259867

Was it ever explained what feeds Triage now?

hichris123

9:09 PM

Surprises you find when reading through the SQLite code. Somebody must've received a lot of calls. http://t.co/1yTAvYLHMx

Tweeted by mplappert on March 12, 2015 at 9:50 AM

@Woodface I thought it was just the quality algorithms...

Jan Dvorak

Don't waste my time. — Shog9 ♦ Jul 9 '14 at 15:27

user259867

For context: the suspension handed out with that comment was for one day. The user worked his way to a one-year suspension just yesterday.

Jan Dvorak

Dammit. I have commented on his rant and now he's asking me unrelated questions. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/251282/…

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp, may be problematic because of off-line resource, but...

SmokeDetector

@Woodface Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Lynn Crumbling

9:21 PM

I give up.

I have an 89k user telling me that their question shouldn't be closed, just because other off-site resource request questions were not closed either.

Jan Dvorak

Time to close those?

Lynn Crumbling

0

Q: Is there any API/database of phone models based on carriers?

Is there any API or database which can provide specific model phones based on carrier? For example, if I wanted to look up Samsung Galaxy S4 I can get different models from Verizon to AT&T to no-carrier ( original ). Doesn't have to be every phone under the sun, just the most popular ones from...

Martin Büttner

give them a link to broken-windows and thank them for pointing you to the other questions (and close them, too)

rene

@JanDvorak already voted on all 3

Jan Dvorak

CV'd x3

Lynn Crumbling

9:28 PM

@JanDvorak That user replied. I feel bad for them.. but the answer to the question is "those other posts fell through the cracks; they should have been closed."

Jan Dvorak

I don't get the upvote, though

Lynn Crumbling

There's an upvote?

Jan Dvorak

one more cv needed

Lynn Crumbling

oh - then a -1.

hadn't noticed that.

Jan Dvorak

uh... my -1 came out first, I believe...

Lynn Crumbling

9:30 PM

Wonder if we can talk that user into cv'ing the two questions they posted as examples :)

Jan Dvorak

@meder please vote to close this question as welll as the ones you linked — Jan Dvorak 12 secs ago

@LynnCrumbling BTTT

Lynn Crumbling

If we succeed, I feel like there should be a badge for that :)

The word "Reversal" is already used... hrmm.

Jan Dvorak

BTTTSP (been there, tried that, success pending)

Lynn Crumbling

Hey .. look at that.

They cv'd the other two..

but theirs is still up.

Jan Dvorak

\o/

rene

9:32 PM

\o/

Jan Dvorak

self-closed

Lynn Crumbling

nice!

o/ \o

Jan Dvorak

should I tell him to self-delete as well? :-)

2

Lynn Crumbling

HAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHA -> star

2

rene

They have been tavern'd

Lynn Crumbling

9:34 PM

BTW - happy Pi day, all. I'm sure that's been covered already, over 9 hours ago.

stackoverflow.com/questions/2687594/… stackoverflow.com/questions/12883555/… stackoverflow.com/questions/25871468/… stackoverflow.com/questions/22035231/… stackoverflow.com/questions/28823251/… — meder 2 mins ago

nicael

@LynnCrumbling HapPi day :P

Lynn Crumbling

:)

Jan Dvorak

cv-pls x5

Lynn Crumbling

Is there a distinction between "What API should I use" (which could mean what function should I use) vs. the obvious "where can I find an api..." that is a no-brainer?

Jan Dvorak

18 hours ago, by Doorknob

Happy premature 3/14/15 9:26 UTC time!

Lynn Crumbling

9:40 PM

Some of those questions feel like the OP is asking about a framework that they are unfamiliar with, and hence just need to know what function within the framework does what they need.

The last link... is a clear case of off-site rec.

Jan Dvorak

edit if you think a question is salvageable

Lynn Crumbling

@JanDvorak think it's worthwhile to get meder in here?

Jan Dvorak

yes!!!

Lynn Crumbling

@meder Come join us in Tavern on the Meta ... we can have a mini closing event. — Lynn Crumbling 22 secs ago

hey! welcome

meder

hi

Jan Dvorak

9:46 PM

hi

Lynn Crumbling

Trying to figure out what to do about some of those links you posted.

meder

so yeah - let me close the ones i linked to

or see if they're close-able

Lynn Crumbling

Some of the clearly cross the line.

Hobo Sapiens

SPAM: stackoverflow.com/q/29054549/1864610

Lynn Crumbling

Other ones Might be salvagable.

Jan Dvorak

9:47 PM

@HoboSapiens are you sure?

Lynn Crumbling

I think that's spam.. with just a link to wooup

Closed by mod.

Frank

@LynnCrumbling we do?

Lynn Crumbling

Anyway - back to meder's list.

Frank

@LynnCrumbling gone

Lynn Crumbling

The last one's been closed.

Jan Dvorak

9:48 PM

cv'd all of them already

Lynn Crumbling

@meder Reading over the others, some ask about whether there's a class within the framework.

Others say class in the framework, or some other API.

Hobo Sapiens

@JanDvorak Yes - the link just goes to some rambling web page. It's academic now - it's been deleted by a moderator

nicael

9

Q: Will filtering be allowed for triage?

Just noticed that the new "Triage" review queue lacks filtering. Will it be allowed?

discussion feature-request triage

rene

@LynnCrumbling voted on those

Lynn Crumbling

@rene you cv'd all?

Jan Dvorak

9:50 PM

same mod that closed the spam question just a minute before

rene

@LynnCrumbling went over them yes?

Lynn Crumbling

I'm looking reviewing the first 4. The last is the only one I'm certain of.

And 2 is already closed.

Frank

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/465515/what-or-m-tool-that-supports-linq-iqueryable-would-you-recommend
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5550344/mysql-tuning-performance-for-windows
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3515527/clickable-elements-in-pchart
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3406841/pdf-converter-for-use-from-net-application
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4945771/uml-tool-for-moose-perl

you already got those ^^ @Lynn

Lynn Crumbling

k

Frank

but they're still open

Lynn Crumbling

9:55 PM

@meder nobody here blindly closes questions -- when a cv request is posted, and the question could be salvaged or is arguably not closable, it does end up resulting in a discussion.. not just a follow-the-leader mentality...

Jan Dvorak

and another one's gone, another one's gone, another one bites the dust

Hobo Sapiens

cv-pls Rec: stackoverflow.com/q/29009393/1864610

Lynn Crumbling

@meder but don't hesitate to pop in here and add a cv req... you might find yourself sticking around more than you like :)

Jan Dvorak

@HoboSapiens closed

Hobo Sapiens

@JanDvorak Ty

Lynn Crumbling

9:56 PM

@meder It's a good feeling, to actually be able to effect change.

Hobo Sapiens

Can I get some flags on the comments on this question? stackoverflow.com/q/29053854/1864610, Not constructive, certainly, possibly rude.

Jan Dvorak

cv-pls^

comment tl;dr

Lynn Crumbling

@meder I just voted to close the last of the 5. It clearly attracted a spammy answer.

Frank

I have 9 other rec-tool q's. Want my to post them in here?

Lynn Crumbling

Sure. Did I get those already too?

meder

9:59 PM

nice

Frank

@LynnCrumbling I don't think so.

rene

I'm out of CV's until 0:00 UTC

Lynn Crumbling

>> spamish answer : stackoverflow.com/a/25176703/656243

Frank

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/26044341/…

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/11214407/…

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/16270931/…

rene

@LynnCrumbling There is a same answer now deleted except that one didn't reveal the OP was the owner of that service. That deleted post is deleted by Flexo

Frank

10:01 PM

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/6041561/…

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/2474802/…

Lynn Crumbling

@Frank Hey - I just answered a dup to this yesterday! well .. the question I answered is the dup!

Frank

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/18171104/…

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/1615634/…

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/6507708/…

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/2286842/…

Lynn Crumbling

This is the NSIS question that I answered

Frank

@LynnCrumbling that doesn't look like a rec-tool

rene

I'm out for now... need sleep...

Lynn Crumbling

10:04 PM

@Frank No.. and I'm not sure if the other one is either....

Frank

\o

Lynn Crumbling

@rene 'night

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: WHAT IS UTOKEN? by Travis Austin on bitcoin.stackexchange.com

Frank

> Which library or macro that deletes only installed files when the uninstallation is run would you recommend?

^^ looks like rec-tool

Lynn Crumbling

the "macro" part of that is ok...

the word library is, of course, the scary part.

(macros are used in NSIS and many come with it.. that could easily mean "which macro that ships with NSIS can I use")

But I'm having a hard time with the word library.

Frank

10:10 PM

@LynnCrumbling edit?

Found ten more. Anyone want them?

ABUSIVE gardening.stackexchange.com/questions/3380/…

Jan Dvorak

@Frank grace edit that forgot to delete?

Frank

@JanDvorak uh

Lynn Crumbling

@Frank you sure? feels maybe NAA'ish to me...

I can't see an edit history.. is there more to it?

Frank

there is no post history.

that's how it started out. Someone bein' dumb

Jan Dvorak

Grace period edit?

Frank

10:16 PM

@JanDvorak idt so.

Lynn Crumbling

@JanDvorak Are mods capable of seeing that?

Jan Dvorak

@LynnCrumbling no

Lynn Crumbling

Wow...

Frank

would be one dumb edit even if it was, repeating the same sentence 5 times

anyone would know better than that.

Jan Dvorak

dumb != abusive

Lynn Crumbling

10:17 PM

It would imply that they found the edit link.. but not the delete link right beside it.

Frank

Anyone want 10 more rec-tools?

Jan Dvorak

@LynnCrumbling seen that

Lynn Crumbling

Fire away. I've got votes left.

Frank

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/1359113/…

Lynn Crumbling

Only a few of your last batch actually got closed. Most stalled around 2-3 votes.

Frank

10:18 PM

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/1629129/…

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/4326810/…

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/3471906/…

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/9210412/…

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/3701626/…

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/12534480/…

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/3094947/…

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/942657/…

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/4240719/…

there you go

Lynn Crumbling

@Frank looks like someone tried to close that in jan '14.

Frank

@LynnCrumbling ha

nicael

9

A: Help us test the shiny new "User Activity" page! (Plus a bunch of new features.)

status-declined - the avatar is bigger now. That's great that avatar is clickable! I didn't notice it at first. Can the name be made clickable too please?

that's a pity it was declined... With quite a strange reason...

Frank

I can't see anything but the cv count. Not who voted or anything

Lynn Crumbling

I voted on all.

Jan Dvorak

10:22 PM

aaand I'm out of u/d votes

Lynn Crumbling

@JanDvorak Did you downvote most of those as well?

Jan Dvorak

yep

Frank

ha

seems like something you would do

They mostly had way too many upvotes anyway.

Jan Dvorak

ha

Lynn Crumbling

That one should be .. 10 different questions.

Frank

10:27 PM

so now we have a dozen ot q's with 2 close votes on 'em, so they can time out and go back to ... whatever they were doing before.

Jan Dvorak

cool

Frank

hopefully people will see 'em in the queues before that.

Hobo Sapiens

@Frank I was just working down the list, but I'm out of CVs now.

Frank

kewl

new day UTC is just 1 1/2 hrs off anyway

user259867

10:53 PM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/3225022/… math problem (my flag isn't getting traction there.)

Frank

My GL rep kinda dwarfs all my other rep... I should branch out a bit.

user259867

Yes, you better. Or else SE will show a condescending message on your profile

Frank

ha

user259867

I was motivated to get some SO rep mostly by the Triage queue. Like playing with new shiny things. Now working on getting to 2K.

Frank

@Woodface 10 is better

8

Q: Moderators Pro Tempore announcement

Throughout the beta, we need members from the site whose focus is to engage the community, both in community-building issues and site management. That's why we select a few members from each community to act as temporary, provisional Moderators. You can read about the program here: Moderators Pro...

discussion featured moderation

2 dv's ^^

user259867

10:59 PM

Only. Wait until the first flaming meta thread calling for your head on a plate.

Frank

@Woodface It won't be for my head, it'll be one of the others.

I'm too awesome.

xD

user259867

And technically, a tree does not have a head, so perhaps you're safe.

michaelpri

It'll probably be my head :(

user259867

Yes, you obviously have one.

Frank

lol

@Woodface Moose have heads

user259867

11:01 PM

I don't know what a mooseman is. Is it a man's body with moose's head, or the other way around?

Frank

@Woodface either way, it has a head

@michaelpri but - your head is already cut off.

:P

@Undo lifehacks.stackexchange.com/questions/6134/…

user259867

Maybe you need an [undo] tag on LH?

2

Frank

ha

Lynn Crumbling

Relevant:

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 27 mins ago, by gnat

folks, I bumped a bunch of "looking for" questions into java/off-topic. Would appreciate your help in reviewing these. I know it's a big tag and crowded close reason, not really convenient, but couldn't figure better way. At least, you can recognise "my" stuff by only checking question titles :)

hichris123

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, May 10 '14 at 2:51, by Doorknob

Lol. I wonder how long I can go before being called a Nazi

user259867

11:09 PM

How long was it? @Doorknob

hichris123

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, May 10 '14 at 2:51, by Seth

Nazi!

:P

Lynn Crumbling

Yep, go wild here folks: stackoverflow.com/review/close/…

Everything that starts with "Looking for..."

Doorknob

@Woodface Non-jokingly? Still haven't been on PPCG; 5 months after being appointed on Puzzling.

Tells you a little something about the difference between the communities there...

user259867

Traffic to SE sites launched in the last 6 months:
ja.SO 4.6k
Lifehacks 1.2k
Emacs 1.1k
Vi/Vim 300
Economics 220
Engineering 200
History of S&M 121
Music Fans 58
Coffee 57

Lynn Crumbling

HAHAH. Poor Coffee.

Doorknob

11:13 PM

Vi/Vim is unacceptably lower than Emacs. >:O

Frank

@Doorknob way

user259867

It's much newer, though: 1 month vs 6 months.

Doorknob

True.

Lynn Crumbling

@Doorknob I was just about to make a slick comment about how (once and for all), we know what the "better" editor is..... (JOE!)

user259867

My point was mostly that LH (3 months old) leads if the special project ja.SO is excluded.

Lynn Crumbling

11:14 PM

@Woodface Was this a reply to me?

(Coffee = 1mo?)

Doorknob

@LynnCrumbling Vi/Vim is 6 times younger, but it has only ~4 times less traffic than Emacs. :D

Lynn Crumbling

Or was this the vi vs emacs thing?

user259867

Coffee = 2mo; vi and music fans = 1m

Lynn Crumbling

Ah, ok.

I'll be curious if coffee takes off.

Hope meder comes back again sometime...

Doorknob

oops

Lynn Crumbling

11:16 PM

A lot of those questions got closed that were posted...

oh noes [status-fullpath-disclosed]

eh, wasn't up for long.

Doorknob

I pasted it into the Tavern chat box because I was trying to copy it back after editing it in Vim, and accidentally hit enter out of instinct :P

Lynn Crumbling

:)

@Frank can you add that link in the review close to the list of cv-rec's?

hichris123

what... was it?

Doorknob

@hichris123 it was my $PATH

Nothing that really has to be kept secret, actually :P

Alexis King

@Doorknob Better watch out—now you could be a victim of a dependency injection attack.

Doorknob

11:21 PM

@AlexisKing But isn't it obvious that, say, /usr/bin is pretty much guaranteed to be in $PATH anyway?

Alexis King

@Doorknob The thing I linked to isn't exactly completely serious. ;)

Doorknob

Heh, I know; I've seen it before :D

Frank

@LynnCrumbling what link?

Lynn Crumbling

> stackoverflow.com/review/close/…

Frank

@LynnCrumbling but I can't edit old messages.

bjb568

11:23 PM

Any libs or anything to generate a quality score for some text input, like "qoeirhgoeirhg" and "Clk here pls!" and "UR SDUPID" are bad and "I'll be curious if coffee takes off." and "(at)Frank can you add that link in the review close to the list of cv-rec's?" and stuff are good?

Don't care which language, I'm going to rewrite it anyway.

Lynn Crumbling

@Frank Nah.. but if you end up doing a mass-dump to tavern again, just append that to the end..

Frank

@LynnCrumbling sure... why?

Lynn Crumbling

A user just dumped a bunch of questions in there from java that all start with "Looking for"...

Each and every one that starts with that is easily identifiable as an off-site rec

hichris123

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@hichris123 Blacklisted user.

Doorknob

11:25 PM

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@Doorknob Blacklisted user.

Doorknob

argh

Undo

@Woodface Only took me... urr... well, four days I guess

Lynn Crumbling

@SmokeDetector gone

Doorknob

@Undo Wow. And I thought 5 months was bad...

Lynn Crumbling

11:25 PM

"That was easy."

Undo

@Doorknob meh, it was just some guy that Godwin'd himself on Meta.

and it wasn't me, it was ALL TEH MODS

Doorknob

Ah, okay. So not nearly as bad as the, ahem, situation on Puzzling.

Yeah, it was all the mods in my case as well :P

Undo

@Doorknob ... no

Lynn Crumbling

BTW - flagging that user for mod attention.

english.stackexchange.com/users/113746/… (offensive)

user259867

@bjb568 Hm, Language Tool? or -> Software Recommendations...

bjb568

11:33 PM

okey

Lynn Crumbling

> You have no more close votes today; come back in 25 minutes

grumble

user259867

But this does not look like something you would want to rewrite. The code base is voluminous.

user259867

Which is sort of expected in Natural Language Processing.

bjb568

such complicate

I want something simple.

user259867

You know, you can use regular expressions...

hichris123

11:37 PM

wait wait wait... @bjb568 wants a library? I thought he hated libraries and wanted to pour time into reinventing the wheel!

bjb568

@hichris123 I said I would rewrite it.

@Woodface jsfiddle.net/xt85eLfn

hichris123

@bjb568 lol then that's really dumb. sorry, but...

user259867

The analysis of two-letter combinations can probably detect catwalk nonsense. I think I posted a link to their frequency somewhere. Yes, here it is

Alexis King

0

Q: What is the purpose of the "you have already raised this type of flag" message?

Once I've flagged a post, the flag dialog will inform me that I've already raised a certain type of flag for certain options: However, if I try to select some other flag type, such as "not an answer" in the above dialog, it still gives me an error message: If I can't flag a single p...

discussion support flags flag-dialog

hichris123

@AlexisKing answers are different than questions. You can VLQ flag & flag to close a question, but IIRC you can't do that for any other types of flags.

bjb568

11:40 PM

@Woodface looks useful

user259867

Each bigram earns the score equal to the reciprocal of the frequency. Average the scores. Decide on the threshold for passing, or just report on some scale 0-100.

user259867

Will probably break on code fragments.

user259867

Hmm, I should try to use this on question summaries from websockets.

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