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bummi

2:09 PM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/24133046/1699210

Dawnkeeper

mod pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27780755/libgdx-and-openstreetmap

Mooseman

@Dawnkeeper flagged

Jan Dvorak

2:28 PM

failed SPAM? stackoverflow.com/questions/27821445/…

bummi

@JanDvorak AGF ;)

Jan Dvorak

@bummi should I assume good faith about the other account created today?

neither of which has any visible activity

bummi

@JanDvorak I was kidding " ;) "

Jan Dvorak

POB? stackoverflow.com/questions/244445/…

g2g, sorry

nicael

2:48 PM

Hey, I noticed a thing: Look at this user (who didn't complete registration and therefore wasn't able to access his account after loosing cookies) and this user (registered). Possibly they should be merged? (poke @Shog)

Unihedro

What's a list?

nicael

^^^ borken.

user259867

@nicael Interesting case. Might be the highest reputation among unregistered users on SE (I did not study this in earnest). But it's up to the user to request the merge, and they will need to provide some evidence that their other account is indeed theirs.

Bart

@nicael if the user requests so

Andy

@Fundamental All that rep is from a single, one line, answer

user259867

2:56 PM

Which is typical for the popular git questions: everyone wants just one line to copy into their console.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Weight Loss Patches To Loose Weight by KareLaios on meta.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu. And Lose instead of Loose, dammit

SmokeDetector

@Fundamental Registered as true positive: added title to Bayesian doctype 'bad' and blacklisted user.

user259867

gone

nicael

@Fundamental To request merge, he must first find his account. As it is non-registered account, it will be hard to find it. Maybe poke him on some of his posts?

Bart

3:06 PM

Maybe just let it be?

bummi

hups stackoverflow.com/q/2354482/1699210

user259867

@nicael If you want to, sure. Then again, maybe he tried and could not establish ownership (no valid email & no cookie => no proof), and you'll be just rubbing it in.

Unihedro

@bummi pob?

Infinite Recursion

@Fundamental After all these months of interacting with bjb, one would expect you to have higher tolerance for unconventional spelling of similar sounding words. As long as it sounds right, it werks and itz kewl.

bummi

@Unihedro yes or to broad, the linked one too

user259867

3:10 PM

@InfiniteRecursion It's true that bjb has his own way of spelling some words. But none of those alternate spellings look identical to existing English words. Lose=>Loose is a different thing and should never be tolerated. We have to hold spammers to a higher standard.

Infinite Recursion

Poor spammers. Now they have to work harder to meet our expectations. No wonder baba rage quit ;)

user259867

> Sorry, your spam could not be accepted because it does not meet our quality standards

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bummi

over one year a silent user and than this stackoverflow.com/a/27822357/1699210 ?

Mooseman

@bummi Kill it with fire!

Infinite Recursion

@uni has one eye and his hat has two eyes. So many eyes!

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Unihedro

3:21 PM

:o

bummi

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/27819707/1699210

bjb568

Is it weird to eat corn with corndogs?

Infinite Recursion

Is it weird to ask strangers if it's weird to eat corn with corndogs?

bjb568

No?

user259867

@Unihedro ⋮o

user259867

3:32 PM

@bjb568 Not as weird as eating dogs with corndogs.

Bart

3:44 PM

Eating corndogs with dogs however ... best way to spend an evening.

nicael

3:57 PM

10

Q: Someone moved vote counts delimiter a bit!

:-/ Fixitplease!

anyone remembers the positioning of original vote delimiter?

11

Q: You can only undo a comment vote within the first 60 seconds!

I am not saying that is bad. But it is the only message which shouts a bit (at least I haven't seen others with exclamation mark in the end, all those warnings end with a dot or don't end with anything at all). Please replace the exclamation mark with a dot.

feature-request comments error-message wording

(O_o I lost my ability to downvote!!! Halp!!!)

Unihedro

??

Bart

Just upvote while standing on your head @nicael

2

SPArchaeologist

Question of the day: is BoltClock'saUnicorn and YiJiang the same person?

nicael

@Unihedro Ok, now I have more than 125 reps again :)

Bart

@SPArchaeologist only if they run into each other at considerable velocity

nicael

4:11 PM

must... resist... urge... to star Bart

Bart

Give that you're upside down at the moment, I'm not sure it would work out anyway

SPArchaeologist

@Bart so you mean that the theory claiming that every pony avatar user is in reality a manifestation of the same entity is a lie?

Bart

Yep Boltcl..Yi... @SPArchaeologist ... yeah, that's the one.

DVK

@ShadowWizard - Your last comment to me ("Proper way to bump a feature request is editing, or starting a bounty") is a clear violation of the new Code of Conduct ("Assume good intentions"). Y'know, posting a duplicate may simply be a result of not remembering you already proposed the idea.

@ShadowWizard - Mind you, I'm thankful that you did find the dupe.

Bart

Since when do we assume good intentions? Assume the worst! Suspend everyone!

SPArchaeologist

4:24 PM

@RubikCube Hi!

ProgramFOX

Hi!

That ping was confusing, until I saw the message history :P

Bart

theunrealtimes.com/2015/01/07/…

Unihedro

@Bart Ha, haha, hahaha...

Jan Dvorak

> I told him to use his best judgement but he rebutted saying I didn’t know what I was doing.

Gotta use that rebuttal more :-D

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27824085/…

Braiam

4:43 PM

@Bart each time SO goes down... a kitten dies (and a couple lose their jobs)

2

Bart

Better warn @bjb568 then @Braiam

bjb568

:O

Braiam

5:00 PM

crap... flagged a message

Unihedro

:|

Braiam

awaits patiently

Bart

You accidentally flagged a message @Braiam? Shame on you. How did you do that? I can't believe it ....

Braiam

I panicked

Bart

Wherein Bart accidentally the flag button

Feb 16 '14 at 0:50, 30 minutes total – 52 messages, 4 users, 1 star

Bookmarked Feb 20 '14 at 0:58 by michaelb958

Haney

5:03 PM

@Braiam why flag?

ahh, mistake, np

Bart

Just testing you @Haney

Well done

Haney

hah

all sorted, peace

Infinite Recursion

@Bart That grammar :/

Braiam

@InfiniteRecursion it's all to annoy Jan

Bart

@InfiniteRecursion knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-accidentally

Infinite Recursion

5:06 PM

@Braiam :D

Jan Dvorak

@Braiam I love you two

Infinite Recursion

@JanDvorak That grammar :O

Jan Dvorak

@InfiniteRecursion Two = Bart and Braiam

Frank

Hiney?

Oh, Haney.

Infinite Recursion

@Frank That typo

Frank

5:10 PM

yeah

Jan Dvorak

Who else thinks there should be a male version of My Humps?

Braiam

not to offend but... yuk

Bart

"my lovely man lumps ..." ... no thanks

Jan Dvorak

I guess that singing about My junk / my junk / my one-eyed trouser trunk doesn't sound right, but neither does singing about own breasts.

Bart

►

Jan Dvorak

5:13 PM

:-D

I escaped the Cheezburgr network when they the LFMF site.

Infinite Recursion

@bluet's new avatar is nice

Jan Dvorak

not @bluefeet's one?

Unihedro

1-cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/27824808/…

bummi

5:36 PM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/2513156/1699210 rec and POB

Braiam

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/27761472/792066

Jan Dvorak

> You voted to close this question Jan 4 at 2:07

Infinite Recursion

6:09 PM

@JanDvorak She is my favourite, and so is her avatar. After all, she had given up her booby avatar network-wide just for me.

Morning @uni !

Sam

Morning @uni !

Unihedro

Oh no, it's morning already!

Sam

:O

Unihedro

:O

Infinite Recursion

Oh yes, one more night without sleep. Congrats!

Unihedro

6:12 PM

Nah, I'm going to sleep now. Bye!

Night!

Night!

Night!

something tells me someone's gonna ping him

Unihedro

Night!

ProgramFOX

6:13 PM

lol

lol

lol

... lol

^ so IE, use Chrome

@DVK sorry for that, it was asked less than year ago and I assumed you were trying to re-post intentionally. Only afterwards I took a closer look on your profile to see you're here longer than me.

Jan Dvorak

6:30 PM

@DVK "clear violation" - you sound like a lawyer to me.

Braiam

@InfiniteRecursion so mem hungry, use Fx

ProgramFOX

^^^^^^

Infinite Recursion

^^ The unity of the foxes

ProgramFOX

lol

Sam

No no, use Opera.

bjb568

6:41 PM

lol

user259867

No no, use Lynx.

Infinite Recursion

What inspired the @Fundamental avatar?

Jan Dvorak

CSI?

Infinite Recursion

No?

user259867

There's a common theme behind the avatar, display name, location, and age. But nothing of interest.

Infinite Recursion

6:50 PM

Ahh!

o/

\o

\o/

@Fundamental Sherlock

btw, is 71

Pham

Low Quality A (100%): Makes no sense bbbbbjgrivjrirwuhuvofkojbotginuedwbduef, by user98977, on gaming.stackexchange.com.

Mooseman

6:54 PM

^^ offensive/abusive

Jan Dvorak

*abusive

user259867

@Braiam No; it's a more obscure pop culture reference. Fundamental is an album, "Luna Park" a track therein, avatar taken from the video for "Integral", and age from Tony Blair.

Sam

7:16 PM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/9746595/…

Braiam

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/17620531/792066

Jan Dvorak

@Braiam why?

Braiam

@JanDvorak check all the comments asking for more information

Jan Dvorak

most of them predate the last edit

Pham

Bad Tag(s) Used: [data] | designing data structure for operations on sets, by xaweyNEW, on stackoverflow.com.

Braiam

7:29 PM

but still the information asked isn't provided

rene

7:55 PM

@bummi I've handled the ones that popped up in the CVQ

bummi

@rene thx, saw it, nearly every on handled :) you did see this post meta.stackoverflow.com/q/282932/1699210 ? Looks like a new mine ... too much mines to find on SO :(

Mooseman

cv-pls dupe stackoverflow.com/q/27827560/1234256

rene

@bummi Yeah I was just visiting some those queries...

but I'm out of CV so only dv left...

bummi

@rene same to me :(

Pham

Low Quality Q (22.3%): Please help me with this, by sally, on stackoverflow.com.

user259867

8:09 PM

Could be even spam, but hard to tell.

rene

@Fundamental It is spam, please flag as such

@Pham SPAM

where is smokey?

user259867

Smokey wouldn't recognize "Please help me with this" as spam, would it?

rene

//!alive?

user259867

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@Fundamental Yup

Sam

8:12 PM

in Low Quality Posts HQ, 11 secs ago, by Pham

@Sam Blacklist term added.

rene

Tnx sam

Sam

np

Mooseman

8:58 PM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/27828509/1234256

Jan Dvorak

delv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27775455/…

Mooseman

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/27828564/1234256

> (0 Votes Remaining)

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/27828590/1234256

Pham

Low Quality A (100%): @DrewD that is not an answer... it should be a comment., by Will, on skeptics.stackexchange.com.

5

Mooseman

^^ That is funny

hichris123

9:14 PM

More mSE drama...

Mooseman

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/27828797/1234256 <= Has "opinion" right in the title

review-request stackoverflow.com/q/27828812/1234256

bjb568

9:54 PM

hallo

Jan Dvorak

ollah

bjb568

hola

Jan Dvorak

if I have downloaded 100MB/100MB at max speed through a torrent and uploaded 0B, does it mean noone will care if I stop seeding now?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: EXTRACTING SOFT CLIPPED SEQUENCES by user3138373 on unix.stackexchange.com

Braiam

@JanDvorak or the trackers don't know you...

Jan Dvorak

10:02 PM

how do I find out?

Braiam

I wait at least 2 hours before deciding to stop seeding

do you have trackers in the trackers list?

Jan Dvorak

DHT and Peer Exchange both show about 200 peers

the client was started just before I started downloading, which took about five minutes.

ok. Now I'm uploading.

10 kB/s...

tops

to one peer

like, one packet per ten seconds

Back to not uploading. One peer connected, idle.

Braiam

heh, I sometimes take 2 weeks downloading and reach 2.0 ratio upload in days

note to self: Jan found another hobby... checking his torrent client peer list

Jan Dvorak

I haven't. I'm only checking because it's been recently downloaded

bjb568

also Jan talks to himself

Jan Dvorak

10:08 PM

the HTTP sources seem to be overloaded.

bjb568

What's up here? meta.stackexchange.com/q/246727/237813

(LO meta.stackexchange.com/review/close/35751 )

Jan Dvorak

> Nothing like a rage-quitter who just won't quit...

I love Shog

hichris123

@bjb568 Quite a bit.

bjb568

Well, I don't see month-long suspension behavior.

I mean, it certainly isn't exemplary behavior, but I see how he's frustrated.

hichris123

@bjb568 Trust me, you don't know the half of it.

Doorknob

10:23 PM

@bjb568 Oh, believe me, there was.

bjb568

oh ok

hichris123

If you wanna understand what truly went on (and wasn't deleted): look around here:

Doorknob

> Really, you're lucky to not have a 365-day-suspension at this point.

hichris123

in The Green Llama on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Dec 16 '14 at 20:51, by Shog9

Then stop acting like spoiled children every time there's a disagreement.

bjb568

> and insulting their religion

This does not help your case @Doorknob, it is obviously not true (in the quote you gave).

Gilles

10:25 PM

@bjb568 It is true. As you can imagine, the messages in question have been deleted.

Jan Dvorak

"go read a bible" sounds like using religion to insult a person

bjb568

Meh, that's not insulting religion tho.

Gilles

@JanDvorak and specifically, using that in a context where it clearly means “that's the only thing you're good at”

Doorknob

@bjb568 Incidentally, "does not help your case"? What "case" is there to begin with?

Jan Dvorak

Still doesn't really insult the religion, though.

Doorknob

10:26 PM

It's rand vs The Entire Population of MSE (plus all the mods)

bjb568

@Doorknob You are trying to make a point in your answer, right?

Shog9

@JanDvorak religion is an abstract concept. You can't insult religion. You can use what you know about someone's beliefs/interests to insult that person though, which is where things get dicey.

bjb568

@Gilles Not really a problem with that.

Gilles

@bjb568 then your standards of behavior need serious adjustment

Jan Dvorak

and things got dicey, indeed

Shog9

10:27 PM

I mean, telling someone to go back to the kitchen & make supper isn't insulting to supper.

Gilles

^^^^^

bjb568

@Shog9 I think both are fine as long as they are applicable to the discussion. From what I can tell, in that quote it was applicable but very badly conveyed.

Shog9

@bjb568 I'd have to double-check, but I'm pretty sure there was no quoting of biblical passages in the mod message that prompted that comment.

Gilles

@bjb568 religion had not be mentioned at that point. It would be exactly like talking to a woman about something unrelated to gender and suddenly saying “go back to the kitchen, woman”

bjb568

A better way could have been, "I strongly believe your actions here are inappropriate. I suggest you do not interfere with the moderation of puzzling SE, instead focusing on your strength which appear to me as including biblical heaurmanticallywhatevers"

Jan Dvorak

10:29 PM

Telling someone to go back to the kitchen and implying it's the only thing they're good at is offensive and chauvinistic.

Gilles

If you do that and get dumped, fired, fined, or slapped, the woman has my sympathy

Shog9

"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." <-- see, you could throw that comment at me now. Of course, I'll just repeat this quote, but you could do it.

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 not really better

user259867

Things I hate more than rage-quits: people who get so wound up in the "rage" bit that they forget to follow through on the "quit" part.

Tweeted by shog9 on September 27, 2013 at 11:11 PM

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bjb568

@Shog9 Ok, it's kinda a tangent. I wouldn't include it.

Doorknob

10:30 PM

@bjb568 Why in the world would you even bring up religion there, other than to insult the subject?

bjb568

@Doorknob Irrelevant

hichris123

@Fundamental I'm totally curious why/how you found this.

user259867

@hichris123 Looked up in my "Shog9 quotes" database.

bjb568

@Gilles I sympathise a lot more with that then with religion. Partly because you can choose religion but not gender.

Shog9

I'm starting to suspect someone is following me on twitter. CREEPY

Doorknob

10:32 PM

@bjb568 So "I don't agree with you. Go worship a different god" isn't offensive?

Jan Dvorak

I'm not changing my religion just because people are rude at me

hichris123

@Fundamental Is there a Shog9 philosophy or religion that you believe in? :P

Shog9

@bjb568 so what, if I cook supper it's appropriate to tell me to not do other things because, hey, I chose to cook supper?

bjb568

@Doorknob Not enough context to tell.

@Shog9 … you might even have followers!

Shog9

shudders

Jan Dvorak

10:33 PM

@Shog9 it becomes less chauvinistic if you're already cooking

not much less rude, though

Shog9

I find I'm a lot more polite to people on Meta if I cook while I reply to their rants. SO THERE.

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Doorknob

@bjb568 ... wow, if you really think that, you need a serious change in outlook on what is considered "offensive"

bjb568

@Shog9 No, but if you're trying to cook breakfast and failing miserably, I might tell you to give up.

Shog9

hey, breakfast-for-supper is AWESOME you philistine!

hichris123

@bjb568 ... or, y'know, help the person? ;)

bjb568

10:34 PM

@Shog9 Better other way around.

@hichris123 Sometimes it's worth helping them, sometimes not.

hichris123

@bjb568 Well, if you want to be lazy and not have to cook (and cats are lazy!), you would help them. Therefore...

bjb568

@Doorknob If I strongly believe in FSM, and somebody else believes in the great grapefruit, and I prove that there is no grapefruit, it's not offensive to say my feelings.

@hichris123 Microwaves.

hichris123

@bjb568 Eww.

bjb568

Yum!

Shog9

@bjb568 is this happening during a discussion on personal beliefs or religions philosophy? Or one about which one of you is responsible for shoveling the walk. Because it's waaaay more offensive in one of those situations...

hichris123

10:37 PM

@bjb568 Perhaps not offensive, but not a good idea nonetheless.

bjb568

@Shog9 Ok, well shoveling the walk shouldn't turn into religion…

*driveway/sidewalk

Shog9

@bjb568 now you're getting it!

bjb568

But anyway, "you should go back to reading the Bible" could be used in a supportive way. Like some other religious guy tells you to do that to help you thru the hard times or whatever.

Shog9

absolutely.

Again, context is EVERYTHING

FWIW, I'm not even fully aware of the context behind most of this. That's the thing about shooting your mouth off on chat.meta - if something gets flagged, there are craploads of employees who will see it and probably won't know anything about your history or think you're joking. Worth being a little bit aware of that.

Jan Dvorak

cf. the meta post "chat flags are broken"

dat title math.stackexchange.com/questions/1095827/…

Doorknob

10:44 PM

I'M USING MATH

STAND BACK

bjb568

1

Q: I'm an art student and I'm using math and i need help.

forgive me, for i am dumb. but here is my question: i have a square with a radius of 100 cm. I then want to rotate a square clockwise by ten degrees so that it is scaled and contained inside the existing square. The image below is what I'm attempting, but with a square, not a triangle. Hope...

rotations art

oneboxed for future people incase deleted

Jan Dvorak

The question isn't bad, just the title

Gilles

@Doorknob ITYM I'm using meth

user259867

Edited already, nice question.

Jan Dvorak

11:06 PM

spam? stackoverflow.com/questions/27830290/…

rec-tool at best

user259867

VLQ; should be nuked but the author does not look like a spammer.

hichris123

wut

-1

A: what quick and easy tools for website building

yeah the website is interesting. I visited it. But the way you marketed is very cheap. -_-

Jan Dvorak

WAT

user259867

The answerer is being sarcastic, implying that the OP posted to promote the site. (Cheap marketing)

hichris123

Oh, didn't get that. :P

Jan Dvorak

11:09 PM

I was going to suggest him to spam-flag

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/559693/…

Jan Dvorak

prev q gone - self-deleted

Doorknob

... well that was a waste of a deletevote.

Jan Dvorak

fr: refund

Doorknob

It took me a little bit to parse that

I thought it meant "French refund" at first

rand al'thor

11:32 PM

I see people have been discussing me in here...

@hichris123 He does; he was in the same Meta chatroom as me and saw exactly half of the posts that Doorknob quoted as reasons for suspension. Didn't you @bjb568?

@bjb568 And why should Doorknob's word be worth more than mine?

Undo

@randal'thor If you want to complain about a suspension, there are ways to do that. This room isn't one of them.

rand al'thor

@Undo Is it OK if I reply to things people have said about me in this room? Don't worry, that's all I intend to do.

@Doorknob Well, I have had a few upvotes. Someone once told me a score of -5 on meta is like +20 on most sites, but I'm quite proud of -37! Also being unpopular ("a minority of one" to quote George Orwell) doesn't necessarily make me wrong.

hichris123

@randal'thor Indeed, from being in the same Meta chatroom, he knows that you were suspended & you disagree with it. And I'm fairly sure you stated this elsewhere, so...

rand al'thor

@bjb568 Thank you! :-) If I'd had your tact, I might not be suspended now and all this wouldn't be happening. Oh well.

@hichris123 Sorry, I don't see what point you're making here.

random

Well then

rand al'thor

11:46 PM

@Shog9 That must be why you're usually so rude. Can't cook all the time...

hichris123

@randal'thor That he knows what you told him in that chatroom, which is barely anything.

rand al'thor

@Shog9 Perhaps someone should make a meta post about this. The obvious consequence of what you're saying is that lots of people get suspended unfairly on chat.

random

43

Q: When reviewing chat flags, please show two lines of context and underline the message timestamp

Not all communities and rooms are created equal. Some have higher standards than others. Thus, what can be considered offensive in one room may be very well acceptable in another. What makes them different? Context. Here's an example: Oh wow, Lara Croft got raped? I wish I was there too...

feature-request chat flags user-interface

rand al'thor

@hichris123 It's not "barely anything", since what I said to him in that chatroom is exactly half of what got me suspended, according to the suspender himself.

AstroCB

rand al'thor

11:58 PM

And btw @Shog9, don't worry: this time is for real. You people have finally pushed me to the brink. I really am leaving. No more 'rage without quit'.

Braiam

yay, @Fundamental is promoting me (my question)

rand al'thor

I do like this username, but if I ever need to use SE (strictly for utility only in the future; Puzzling was fun but certain people have killed the fun), I'll probably create a new account. That's allowed as long as I don't upvote myself or circumvent suspensions, right?

Braiam

free ads is the best ads

random

This exit interview has gone into next week's lunch

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AstroCB

@randal'thor Yes.

Wherein Bart accidentally the flag button

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