Tavern on the Meta

I was getting bugged my marketers from my bank for a while. I kept telling them that I don't own a house. Why do you keep bugging me with crap for homeowners? I sure don't have a mortage through you guys.

Tim Stone

Yeah, I am as well, but apparently every charity in the world thinks I have unlimited funds for them.

George Marian

2:35 AM

LOL

I don't mind dealing with someone w/ an accent. While I don't have an accent, I am an immigrant. So, I understand their situation.

Tim Stone

What pisses me off even more is that they all use generic call centers, so it's not like the people on the phone are even from the charity...Seems like they could just save some cash for their cause by not hiring people to harass me every single day.

George Marian

However, what bugs me is that many of them have crappy VOIP connections that sound worse than any crappy landline I've ever had. And they're just plain idiotic. I need to know more than the location and that it's a PHP job. Sheesh.

What really irks me about these recruiters is that they pretend like they are in the states.

Tim Stone

"There's a job in this place. You interested?"

George Marian

Hello! You're speaking with a British accent and using British idioms. You're not in America! I can tell.

@TimStone Yeah, pretty much.

I totally understand the need to save money and all, but just like those charities they're not doing themselves any good with such crappy quality.

Tim Stone

Yeah, no kidding. I keep telling them to stop calling me anyway, I do give money when I can, but I do it online.

On my own time and conviction. :P

George Marian

2:41 AM

Right. Don't try to guilt me into doing it. That'll only piss me off.

Tim Stone

Huh, apparently my great uncle recently met Stevie Wonder so showeth Facebook.

George Marian

Nice.

Tim Stone

Ugh, yes. They're always trying that.

Yeah, hahah, it's incredibly random too, since he lives in Montross, VA.

George Marian

heh

Tim Stone

Apparently Stevie Wonder was there for someone's graduation, so.

George Marian

2:44 AM

That'll do it.

Tim Stone

Anyway, suppose I should get working on what I mistakenly thought someone else was working on.

George Marian

lol

I think I'm going to watch Anchorman.

Tim Stone

Good stuff. :D

George Marian

Yup. So many great one-liners.

Loud noises!

Yi Jiang

Eh, is there a good way to keep a PHPMyAdmin session alive?

I don't think using Reload Every to reload the page every 15 mins is a good idea...

Tim Stone

2:51 AM

Erm, can you modify the phpMyAdmin configuration?

Yi Jiang

No, unfortunately

Maybe I should speak to someone who can

It's certainly not such an important database to keep such high security on

Tim Stone

3:22 AM

Ah, good ol' IE-specific bugs.

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Octavian Damiean

5:36 AM

morning

Yi Jiang

@OctavianDamiean Afternoon

Octavian Damiean

or that :)

Tim Stone

5:54 AM

Hmm, my chair is really starting to fall apart. I suppose I should decide on what I want to replace it with.

Octavian Damiean

a chair with a net backrest. Those are great.

Tim Stone

Yeah, there are a surprising number of chairs out there though. I'm hesitant to buy one without checking it out in person, but I don't know of any good chair stores around here, heh.

Octavian Damiean

oh yea, personally checking them out is very important indeed.

Moshe

6:25 AM

Just blew 3 hours playing a game

@TimStone Ikea? If you like to build your own chair.

George Marian

6:36 AM

@TimStone I highly suggest a good ergonomic chair. :)

Tim Stone

Yeah, I was planning to spring for something a bit more high-scale than Ikea ;)

George Marian

How tall are you?

Tim Stone

5'7"

George Marian

The chair I have may suit you well then.

ergogenesis.com/757.php

Tim Stone

Ah, very nice. The arm rests are adjustable too yeah?

George Marian

6:41 AM

That's an option. Mine are not, but they didn't remain on the chair for long.

ManjotSingh

morning.

George Marian

On a side note, it's a great chair for guitar playing without the armrests. :)

I always end up putting too much pressure on my elbows, so I typically remove the armrests. heh

Of course, there's always the Aeron. Now that's a sweet chair.

Tim Stone

Yeah, I'm not sure what I'd do without arm rests, though maybe that's just my arms being lazy.

Hahah, yeah, if you turn a blind eye to the price tag. ;)

George Marian

It took some time to get used to the chair w/o the arm rests, but it's better ergonomics for me.

Well, the Body Built chair isn't cheap.

That's why I bought mine used. :)

Tim Stone

Although I have sat in chairs that were designed similarly, and they were quite comfortable..

George Marian

6:47 AM

Absolutely worth it and I will be buying some kind of new ergo chair when I can afford it.

I saw the Aeron's cheaper on Amazon, of all places. Though, you don't get to kit it out as if you were buying them from a dealer.

Keep in mind that we're talking about chairs with 10 year warranties. They're built to last.

Tim Stone

Yeah, that's a good point. I imagine I've already dropped a few hundred replacing these crappy Walmart-ish chairs I keep getting every year or so. Hell, something which doesn't shed little black bits all over my floor is already worth it :P

George Marian

lol

I bought a $200 chair (for $160, I think) from one of the office stores. The cushion was worthless after a year.

It actually aggravated the problem with my right leg.

Tim Stone

Ouch, that sucks. I guess it just highlights the benefit of having a proper chair.

George Marian

Yup. At least for us computer jockeys.

Granted, some of my problems are likely due to being tossed by a bull. :)

Tim Stone

Hahah, perhaps. This sounds like an interesting story. ;)

George Marian

7:00 AM

Quite. My brother saw the whole thing. Thankfully, that could have been the end of me.

I was chasing after a yearling that we had tied up in field to keep it from leading the rest of the herd through the fences. Well, it got out and was dangling the rope behind him. Apparently, the bull didn't like me chasing after one of his heard and came to deal with me.

Tim Stone

Oh, wow, that's crazy

George Marian

He sent me flying in a nice little parabolic arc and then tried to stomp me.

I still remember rolling away from his hooves thinking "Now you've done it, George." :D

That's life on a farm. Dangers around every corner. lol

Tim Stone

Damn, well at least you lived to tell the tale eh?

Also, what the hell just came on the Cooking Channel? raises brow

George Marian

Precisely.

I think it changed my outlook on life just a touch. :)

@TimStone I wouldn't know. I had to downgrade my cable.

Tim Stone

bitchinlifestyle.tv

...Huh.

George Marian

7:07 AM

lol

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian Yeah, I imagine so!

George Marian

Alright, I should get to bed. G'night.

Tim Stone

G'night

Yi Jiang

10:39 AM

Oh cool, it's now possible to link to individual revisions

ManjotSingh

hello

how?

Pekka's other trolling account

10:51 AM

This is the most bizarre spam E-Mail I've received in a long time

Dear Sir/Madam
Am Mr.Ned and i would like to order  COLUMNS  from you and would like to know the types and sizes you have in stock as well as the prices and the types of credit cards that you take for payment.Thank you and waiting to hear from you as soon as possible.
Regards
Ned

badp's sockpuppet

11:06 AM

Hrm

jsfiddle.net/3WvYT

Why does this drop at '59.1', '58.1', etc. if time is set to 60, but drops at '5.0', '4.0', etc. if time is set to 5?

This must be a pretty sad floating point error I've got here :P

time = 60.0;

setInterval(function() {
    if (time >= 0.1) {
        time -= 0.1;
    }
    $(".timer").each(function() {
        this.innerHTML = time.toFixed(1);
    if ((time * 10) % 10 < 1) {
        blink(this);
    }
    });

}, 100);

oh, it must be a toFixed fail :/

or summat.

certainly 0.01 isn't the happiest of all ideas.

ManjotSingh

don't have idea about it.Sorry

badp's sockpuppet

I'll just do it properly instead, although it's not what I wanted to focus on.

ManjotSingh

you want to fall whole number 6.0,5.0 instead of 6.1,5.1

Is this the requirement?

badp's sockpuppet

You're looking at old code.

No worries.

ManjotSingh

so what do you want exactly?

badp's sockpuppet

11:20 AM

I was rather looking at the "animation" really

jsfiddle.net/3WvYT/1 is more like it.

Moshe

2:09 PM

@Pekka lol.

Tim Post

2:32 PM

I am seriously ready to just pay someone to do this damn site for me.

Hogan

@badpssockpuppet Math.floor makes more sense

I don't know what I thought @TimPost was saying.

Tim Post

@Hoagan I was whining :) I do that from time to time

badp's sockpuppet

@TimPost We all do.

Those who say they don't proceed to whine about whiners.

Tim Post

Screw it, I'll do it in MS WORD, maybe someone will feel sorry for me.

And I get the authentic 'mom and pop' angle!

Yi Jiang

@TimPost Oh my goodness, no you don't. That's a crime against the internet!

Tim Post

2:36 PM

With lots and lots of animated gifs

oh, it will be HUGE

I've trashed four versions in one week. This is a problem.

It is against my better judgement, but I'll post part of the trashcan here.

noc3270.com/new

I suck, so bad at web design.

badp's sockpuppet

The only real problem there is with the offerings area

Tim Post

I write device drivers :/

I just wanted to make a JS / image free site

Yi Jiang

Well, its either a very slow connection or a network error, but I don't see anything

badp's sockpuppet

@TimPost I think the problem is you're not using a fixed width layout

all the cool kids do that for a reason

Yi Jiang

I see it now

Tim Post

2:41 PM

@badpssockpuppet I was shooting for fluid width

Yi Jiang

Well, spot on @badpssockpuppet. Use fixed, for goodness sake

badp's sockpuppet

@TimPost yeah, and you managed to make it work mostly, except for the center.

Yi Jiang

Because fluid is not easy to get right

badp's sockpuppet

It's quite the achievement actually

Yi Jiang

If you really want to use fluid, use it with media queries

badp's sockpuppet

2:42 PM

The simplest thing you can do to make it work right is get rid of all the borders and paddings for the .salebox stuff

Tim Post

@badpssockpuppet yeah, if I could get that to work, I might be able to salvage it.

badp's sockpuppet

and add some spacing inside each box.

then again I'm not sure exactly how to go about to doing that

Yi Jiang

Also, use a better color scheme

Tim Post

@badpssockpuppet I'll try that.. @YiJiang I have no idea what that is. I'm seriously starting from nothing and learning as I go.

badp's sockpuppet

nah, the color scheme didn't strike me as bad.

Tim Post

2:44 PM

My goal is a site *NIX geeks might like.

badp's sockpuppet

the bottom disclaimers may be a little too tongue in cheek, make sure your 'employers' like it.

Tim Post

@badpssockpuppet I own the place

badp's sockpuppet

oh :D

Tim Post

@badpssockpuppet It's my company.

badp's sockpuppet

also you might want to use a fixed height for those saleboxes.

make it a grid essentially

Tim Post

2:46 PM

@badpssockpuppet I can't ..... the offerings vary too much

badp's sockpuppet

3×2 or 2×3

Tim Post

hmm, perhaps

Hogan

@TimPost I think the problem is the colors -- dark and darker...

big black lines around the content

Tim Post

@badpssockpuppet @YiJiang thanks for the advice. I'll implement it when I'm not so frustrated with it.

@Hogan Yeah, Once I get the layout working, I can play with that

Hogan

Just use something like this -- colorschemer.com/schemes it is CSS so you can try out a bunch till it pops.

badp's sockpuppet

2:49 PM

I changed width, added box-shadow (for lulz; it doesn't actually look good) and took a few rules down.

add a height rule perhaps.

then again it breaks at soon as you change width

nah, I'm afraid you just can't do that stuff without tables in fluid width

Hogan

@TimPost have you considered using blueprint.css -- it is kinda great

blueprintcss.org

does not resize tho :(

Tim Post

Even synergy is grumpy tonight. I am simply combating bad juju. @hogan @badp thanks ... I'll try it

badp's sockpuppet

@TimPost nah, it won't work

for now just hack it as a table and rework it someday™ :/

Tim Post

@badpssockpuppet I'll probably end up with a fluid header and 1000px fixed witdth

But thanks, folks for letting me know I at least got close.

badp's sockpuppet

@TimPost if you end up using a fixed width stuff for the width you might want to try some grid schemes such as 960

960.gs

People argue against this for people who are learning

Tim Post

2:55 PM

@badpssockpuppet Yeah, I saw that while searching.

badp's sockpuppet

but I take it you want to get this done ASAP rather than learning :)

Hogan

yeah 960 and blueprint are the same kinda thing.

Tim Post

@badpssockpuppet I tend to learn fast. I want to be able to maintain this, so if I need to learn more, well .. I need to learn more :)

badp's sockpuppet

Dunno; I can't say I'm done learning

actually I haven't started at all

just superficial knowledge

Hogan

960 is set to one size where blueprint can be anything

Tim Post

2:57 PM

Thanks guys, at least I have hope :)

badp's sockpuppet

And if you have trouble just ask on the w3schools forums!

I kid I kid.

Tim Post

@badpssockpuppet Every ounce of know how is on the resources I use, the trick is searching enough to figure out exactly what you need to search.. This is n00b stuff that has been asked 100 times, I just have to find it.

And while frustrated with the atrocities I committed, I downloaded templates (marvelous waste of about 200 bucks) that committed even BIGGER atrocities. I'm in atrocity city, but darn it, I'm moving out. Thanks folks.

Megamind would describe my current intellectual residence as "megatrocity" (one word)

And dammit, if one more five year old blog post in need of maintaining turns up, I'm visiting Googleplex and farting in the lobby.

Hogan

Now that is just a challenge -- trying to get google to show your old blog posts....

Tim Post

3:25 PM

@Hogan You would be amazed at the steaming goat vomit I've stepped in over the last week as a direct result of using Google.

@Hogan When you aren't quite sure what to search for, Google results are like clowns with big smiles and subtle erections.

Yi Jiang

Also, @TimPost <http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fnoc3270.com%2Fnew%2F&charset=%28‌detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.2> - Repeated id attribute, gotta fix that

Tim Post

@YiJiang Yes, I know

Hogan

@TimPost : Hmmm, not sure about clowns... more like ex-lovers, have pleased you in the past but now give you a peck on the cheek while holding a kitchen knife behind their back.

Tim Post

@Hogan I'm not sure, they want something from you .. the knife analogy doesn't quite fit.

I, for one would never give someone holding a chef's knife to me what they wanted.

At least those people have the decency to imply, through their actions "You gonna die no matter what". Google is more of a "come sit on my lap" kind of thing, as far as their results go.

Hogan

3:43 PM

Well it is behind the back

Tim Post

Meh, getting cranky. See you fine folks tomorrow.

ManjotSingh

4:08 PM

hi

jcolebrand

5:12 PM

VtC (meta) meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/94837/…

jcolebrand

5:34 PM

was this a good reword? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/94841/…

Yi Jiang

Seems okay

jcolebrand

thanks

Yi Jiang

status-declined material anyway

jcolebrand

I know

I just couldn't stand to read the original ... it was painful!

Should we VtC it as is?

I think we should. Voting ring Activate!

Yi Jiang

Meh, let a mod decline it, there's nothing wrong with it per se, just that it'll never happen

Might be a good idea to look for dupes though

jcolebrand

5:38 PM

yeah, not sure what dupes to look for

I figured I'ld leave that for Grace or Adam

man I want some ice cream!

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